The Great Carpezio
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Apr 22, 2024 13:21:06 GMT
Although I do understand that the government does have information that the general public does not have, and I also don't trust China or corporations associated with them---I also don't trust the U.S. government either (along with THEIR chosen corporations).
The data is housed in the US and Oracle has oversight over the data. China does not have access. TTs code, data, and algorithms are available to Oracle to oversee it, and they claim that there are more safeguards and have more transparency than any other social media site.
I don't think it is a conspiracy to think that
a. Meta and US companies have a hand in this
b. Both sides of the political spectrum have concerns about how much power TT has over the narrative. It isn't "China"---it is everyone. Everyone has a voice and everyday people and/or influencers have very loud voices that can sway the public.
Anyway, share real proof that TT is lying about where their servers are located and/or that Oracle is not monitoring the algorithm/code, and I will 100% agree with the band/forced sale, but if it is as they say it is, then I think this is government overreach and very sus.
ETA: I also have concerns about what happens if TT does not divest. I am not sure those in power are ready for the backlash.
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Post by Merge on Apr 22, 2024 13:28:13 GMT
I only see TikToks after they become IG reels, like a proper old person. 😂
I likely wouldn’t notice or care. But we need to think carefully through all the implications of banning certain websites or apps.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Apr 22, 2024 13:28:31 GMT
Although I do understand that the government does have information that the general public does not have, and I also don't trust China or corporations associated with them---I also don't trust the U.S. government either (along with THEIR chosen corporations). The data is housed in the US and Oracle has oversight over the data. China does not have access. TTs code, data, and algorithms are available to Oracle to oversee it, and they claim that there are more safeguards and have more transparency than any other social media site. I don't think it is a conspiracy to think that
a. Meta and US companies have a hand in this
b. Both sides of the political spectrum have concerns about how much power TT has over the narrative. It isn't "China"---it is everyone. Everyone has a voice and everyday people and/or influencers have very loud voices that can sway the public. Anyway, share real proof that TT is lying about where their servers are located and/or that Oracle is not monitoring the algorithm/code, and I will 100% agree with the band/forced sale, but if it is as they say it is, then I think this is government overreach and very sus. ETA: I also have concerns about what happens if TT does not divest. I am not sure those in power are ready for the backlash. Your whole post said it much better than I did, but bolded is why I was confused as to why it was being called a conspiracy theory. I do think not all data was housed in an Oracle server originally, I think it was moved there, or a bigger portion was moved there, and that is what the CEO was testifying about, but I can't remember. "I also have concerns about what happens if TT does not divest." >>> How can you force a non-US client/company to do that? that is redonk. which is why they won't and then they are saying it will be banned. Plus, the US won't let people who can afford it buy it. ie Zuckerburg or Besos due to antitrust laws (I think that was the reason). I heard the only person who probably has enough money to buy TT and does not have a conflict is Taylor Swift. |
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Post by Just T on Apr 22, 2024 13:54:21 GMT
I am not a big tiktok user. I do get on there, and I mostly follow people who share food and recipes, people who post fun dances, or songs. Home decor. That kind of thing. I have never posted a video, nor will I ever. I don't interact with anyone on the app. I do enjoy it, but it can really be a huge time suck. LOL
I better scroll through all the recipes I have saved and screenshot them just in case!
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Post by pinklady on Apr 22, 2024 14:06:35 GMT
I only see TikToks after they become IG reels, like a proper old person. 😂 OMG! So much this! You win the internet today!  Clearly I don't have TT so is there really any difference between TT and IG? |
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The Great Carpezio
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Apr 22, 2024 14:09:25 GMT
I only see TikToks after they become IG reels, like a proper old person. 😂 OMG! So much this! You win the internet today! Clearly I don't have TT so is there really any difference between TT and IG? Yes, I would say that TT is much more user friendly, has a better algorithm and more robust content. I am obviously a TT user.---and I am 51. |
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Post by Tearisci on Apr 22, 2024 14:11:44 GMT
I only see TikToks after they become IG reels, like a proper old person. 😂 And I only see them after they've made it to Facebook like a real old old person  |
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Post by Merge on Apr 22, 2024 14:13:32 GMT
OMG! So much this! You win the internet today! Clearly I don't have TT so is there really any difference between TT and IG? Yes, I would say that TT is much more user friendly, has a better algorithm and more robust content. I am obviously a TT user.---and I am 51. I’m also 51 and just can’t get into TT. |
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The Great Carpezio
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Apr 22, 2024 14:14:41 GMT
Although I do understand that the government does have information that the general public does not have, and I also don't trust China or corporations associated with them---I also don't trust the U.S. government either (along with THEIR chosen corporations). The data is housed in the US and Oracle has oversight over the data. China does not have access. TTs code, data, and algorithms are available to Oracle to oversee it, and they claim that there are more safeguards and have more transparency than any other social media site. I don't think it is a conspiracy to think that
a. Meta and US companies have a hand in this
b. Both sides of the political spectrum have concerns about how much power TT has over the narrative. It isn't "China"---it is everyone. Everyone has a voice and everyday people and/or influencers have very loud voices that can sway the public. Anyway, share real proof that TT is lying about where their servers are located and/or that Oracle is not monitoring the algorithm/code, and I will 100% agree with the band/forced sale, but if it is as they say it is, then I think this is government overreach and very sus. ETA: I also have concerns about what happens if TT does not divest. I am not sure those in power are ready for the backlash. Your whole post said it much better than I did, but bolded is why I was confused as to why it was being called a conspiracy theory. I do think not all data was housed in an Oracle server originally, I think it was moved there, or a bigger portion was moved there, and that is what the CEO was testifying about, but I can't remember. "I also have concerns about what happens if TT does not divest." >>> How can you force a non-US client/company to do that? that is redonk. which is why they won't and then they are saying it will be banned. Plus, the US won't let people who can afford it buy it. ie Zuckerburg or Besos due to antitrust laws (I think that was the reason). I heard the only person who probably has enough money to buy TT and does not have a conflict is Taylor Swift. It was originally housed in China and not Tx, like it is now. We can't turn back time. BTW, a couple of potential investors: Steve Mnuchin (Tumpster) wants to buy it---no issues there :::eyeroll::: Rumble (conservative social media site)---no issues there ::eyeroll::: Nothing sus there. |
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Apr 22, 2024 14:54:29 GMT
Yes, I would say that TT is much more user friendly, has a better algorithm and more robust content. I am obviously a TT user.---and I am 51. I’m also 51 and just can’t get into TT. Yeah, I only have a few peers my age that are into TT. I would say a lot of people I know that are under 40 do use it at least sometimes. Some more than others. I have learned so much from TT. It absolutely has made me think and question my beliefs further. |
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Post by naby64 on Apr 22, 2024 15:22:21 GMT
I am 59 and I LOVE TT! I will be very sad if it is banned. I mostly see dogs, recipes, book toks, water tok recipes, a bit of Karen/neighbor drama from time to time. I do have a couple of in state people that are political that I watch. And when I watch those, I will get a few political posts from others. But I have a brain and can decide things for myself so as an adult I should be allowed to do that. The amount of information that is on TT is wonderful. However, it is up to me, NOT the gov't, to decide what I want to learn, listen to or scroll past. And quite frankly if the Chinese want to get any information from my account, have at it. FB, IG, and any other app on my phone has already mined that really low level data.
This banning of SM platforms, books, our bodies has got to stop! Why can't anyone else see the fascist leaning that this has?
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Post by pinklady on Apr 22, 2024 15:23:05 GMT
BTW, a couple of potential investors: Steve Mnuchin (Tumpster) wants to buy it---no issues there :::eyeroll::: Rumble (conservative social media site)---no issues there ::eyeroll::: Nothing sus there. Thanks, I had no idea. That tells me all I need to know about TT. |
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Apr 22, 2024 15:31:57 GMT
BTW, a couple of potential investors: Steve Mnuchin (Tumpster) wants to buy it---no issues there :::eyeroll::: Rumble (conservative social media site)---no issues there ::eyeroll::: Nothing sus there. Thanks, I had no idea. That tells me all I need to know about TT. Can you explain further what you mean? |
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Post by dawnnikol on Apr 22, 2024 15:38:16 GMT
I only see TikToks after they become IG reels, like a proper old person. 😂 Clearly I don't have TT so is there really any difference between TT and IG? I feel so seen. <3 I hate that IG even added videos to the grid and I don't know how to opt out.. /sigh |
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Post by pinklady on Apr 22, 2024 15:40:43 GMT
Thanks, I had no idea. That tells me all I need to know about TT. Can you explain further what you mean? Since you said "Nothing sus there" I'm pretty sure you know what I mean. If right wing wacko magats want it that tells me everything I need to know about TT and it isn't good. |
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Post by katlady on Apr 22, 2024 15:45:02 GMT
Can you explain further what you mean? Since you said "Nothing sus there" I'm pretty sure you know what I mean. If right wing wacko magats want it that tells me everything I need to know about TT and it isn't good. They want it so they can turn it into a right-wing sounding board. It already comes with a billion people it can reach. |
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Apr 22, 2024 15:49:56 GMT
Can you explain further what you mean? Since you said "Nothing sus there" I'm pretty sure you know what I mean. If right wing wacko magats want it that tells me everything I need to know about TT and it isn't good. Well, I didn't want to assume that is what you meant since I believe that is a logical fallacy. I agree with the last post (Katlady), they want it because they know it is a powerful tool that they can manipulate for their own agenda....not that that IS the current agenda. |
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Post by pinklady on Apr 22, 2024 15:53:35 GMT
Since you said "Nothing sus there" I'm pretty sure you know what I mean. If right wing wacko magats want it that tells me everything I need to know about TT and it isn't good. They want it so they can turn it into a right-wing sounding board. It already comes with a billion people it can reach. So essentially what Eloon did to twitter. Great! |
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Post by casii on Apr 22, 2024 18:42:03 GMT
I use and enjoy TikTok far more than Meta platforms. I left Twitter when Elon took over.
Through TikTok, I've nailed my sourdough game, learned valuable gardening and poultry advice, have compiled a binder of keeper recipes, learned about world events as they occur that does not make it onto the majority of our mainstream news.
Meta's algorithm and platform leave a lot to be desired when compared with the ease of TikTok. I follow several of the same accounts across all platforms. They come up for me on TikTok but rarely appear in my IG or FB feeds.
TikTok will not divest. It is a ban.
Out of all the bills that are waiting for action to benefit our fellow Americans, this is what they've come together on. Not helping citizens. That doesn't serve their lobbyists, private equity and corporate donors.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 22, 2024 19:48:26 GMT
Last week there was a congressman on cnn who mentioned that tik tok has lied about giving info to the Chinese government. I looked for details about this but found this (I don’t extensive time to search today). From what I can tell, one of the main issues is that the Chinese law states that tik tok and other countries would need to give them the info if they ask. And the way that the app could be used to alter the information that we see (also the reason why the Chinese government doesn’t allow their citizens full access to tik tok in the first place). I am concerned with the influence that people can have on any social media platform—particularly in regards to comments that spread misinformation on news articles. But the influence of the Chinese government makes it especially concerning. crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IN/IN12131 |
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Apr 22, 2024 20:12:40 GMT
Last week there was a congressman on cnn who mentioned that tik tok has lied about giving info to the Chinese government. I looked for details about this but found this (I don’t extensive time to search today). From what I can tell, one of the main issues is that the Chinese law states that tik tok and other countries would need to give them the info if they ask. And the way that the app could be used to alter the information that we see (also the reason why the Chinese government doesn’t allow their citizens full access to tik tok in the first place). I am concerned with the influence that people can have on any social media platform—particularly in regards to comments that spread misinformation on news articles. But the influence of the Chinese government makes it especially concerning. crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IN/IN12131I truly am not an expert on this at all, but I saw this in the document from over a year ago, and it looks damning: "TikTok has stated that all U.S. user data is now stored in U.S. and Singapore data centers. However, according to a 2022 Buzzfeed investigation, ByteDance employees in China “repeatedly” accessed nonpublic U.S. user data." However, 2022 was the year they pulled out of China and started housing the data in TX, so the timelines may cross and it makes it look worse than it is/was. I do love TT, and I currently think this ban is ridiculous and an overreach, but truly, I don't doubt that China is shady and if given the chance, may use info but our own government is shady and companies of all countries are shady and everyone just wants to manipulate us in some way. It is depressing. |
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Post by Bridget in MD on Apr 22, 2024 21:14:19 GMT
Last week there was a congressman on cnn who mentioned that tik tok has lied about giving info to the Chinese government. I looked for details about this but found this (I don’t extensive time to search today). From what I can tell, one of the main issues is that the Chinese law states that tik tok and other countries would need to give them the info if they ask. And the way that the app could be used to alter the information that we see (also the reason why the Chinese government doesn’t allow their citizens full access to tik tok in the first place). I am concerned with the influence that people can have on any social media platform—particularly in regards to comments that spread misinformation on news articles. But the influence of the Chinese government makes it especially concerning. crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IN/IN12131I believe this was true IF the servers were on Chinese property, hence the reason to move it to TX. |
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Post by Bridget in MD on Apr 22, 2024 21:18:17 GMT
Last week there was a congressman on cnn who mentioned that tik tok has lied about giving info to the Chinese government. I looked for details about this but found this (I don’t extensive time to search today). From what I can tell, one of the main issues is that the Chinese law states that tik tok and other countries would need to give them the info if they ask. And the way that the app could be used to alter the information that we see (also the reason why the Chinese government doesn’t allow their citizens full access to tik tok in the first place). I am concerned with the influence that people can have on any social media platform—particularly in regards to comments that spread misinformation on news articles. But the influence of the Chinese government makes it especially concerning. crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IN/IN12131I truly am not an expert on this at all, but I saw this in the document from over a year ago, and it looks damning: "TikTok has stated that all U.S. user data is now stored in U.S. and Singapore data centers. However, according to a 2022 Buzzfeed investigation, ByteDance employees in China “repeatedly” accessed nonpublic U.S. user data." However, 2022 was the year they pulled out of China and started housing the data in TX, so the timelines may cross and it makes it look worse than it is/was. >> this is what I remember as well....I do love TT, and I currently think this ban is ridiculous and an overreach, but truly, I don't doubt that China is shady and if given the chance, may use info but our own government is shady and companies of all countries are shady and everyone just wants to manipulate us in some way. It is depressing. Exactly, and IMO this is why I think a ban will make young voters mistrust the govt even more than they already do. It also said a lot to me that the original bill said they had to divest in 5 months. Well some dummy must have used his other hand to count and realize, oh shit, we need more than that to get past the Nov election... and now it's 9 months. It wasn't to give time out of the kindness of their hearts... it's like why the Supreme Ct gives decisions on a Friday afternoon... so they don't have to deal with the backlash until monday morning and they hope we've all calmed down by then....  |
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Post by mom on Apr 22, 2024 21:23:00 GMT
OMG! So much this! You win the internet today! Clearly I don't have TT so is there really any difference between TT and IG? Yes, I would say that TT is much more user friendly, has a better algorithm and more robust content. I am obviously a TT user.---and I am 51. For me, Instagram is more creative arts (I see more artsy things there like tutorials, etc) and TT is more random tidbits. Overall, IMHO TT's crowd is nicer. |
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Post by mom on Apr 22, 2024 21:27:13 GMT
I would give up Facebook any day of the week, before giving up TikTok.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Apr 22, 2024 22:20:35 GMT
I only see TikToks after they become IG reels, like a proper old person. 😂 And I only see them after they've made it to Facebook like a real old old person  And *I* only see them after someone posts one here, so how old does that make me? 🤣😂🤣 (get off my lawn TikTok!) |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 22, 2024 23:53:18 GMT
Last week there was a congressman on cnn who mentioned that tik tok has lied about giving info to the Chinese government. I looked for details about this but found this (I don’t extensive time to search today). From what I can tell, one of the main issues is that the Chinese law states that tik tok and other countries would need to give them the info if they ask. And the way that the app could be used to alter the information that we see (also the reason why the Chinese government doesn’t allow their citizens full access to tik tok in the first place). I am concerned with the influence that people can have on any social media platform—particularly in regards to comments that spread misinformation on news articles. But the influence of the Chinese government makes it especially concerning. crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IN/IN12131I believe this was true IF the servers were on Chinese property, hence the reason to move it to TX. I’m not an expert, either, but I don’t really know that it would matter where the data was stored if the company is still a Chinese company. |
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Post by mom on Apr 23, 2024 6:21:36 GMT
I believe this was true IF the servers were on Chinese property, hence the reason to move it to TX. I’m not an expert, either, but I don’t really know that it would matter where the data was stored if the company is still a Chinese company. You need to read up on Project Texas. |
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Post by Bridget in MD on Apr 23, 2024 11:20:58 GMT
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 23, 2024 12:32:43 GMT
I’m still curious how the Chinese law comes into play with this if the data is stored in the US. I’m not really sure what the answer is in terms of banning/not banning. I enjoy social media but lately I’ve been wondering if it had brought more harm than good to society. Anyone and everyone can come across like they know what they are talking about and people have a hard time knowing who to listen to and who not to. On instagram that happens more in the comment section but on tik tok those people also have more of a platform themselves. I’m concerned with the potential influence of the Chinese government but if that is addressed with the date storage issue, I’m ok with that. I have a feeling that isn’t the case, though. |
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