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Post by peabay on May 4, 2024 23:52:30 GMT
So, at the Stagecoach music festival, country singer Eric Church started his set with a full gospel choir, playing gospel music and various covers, before singing some of his more famous songs. Apparently, many people left, angry and frustrated that they didn't get what they paid for. Where do you stand on artists expressing themselves through their art - even when it's not what you expect or pay for? Is it exciting and interesting to see them expand their repertoire? Or do you want to see/hear/experience the "greatest hits?" Eric Church's Stagecoach set
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Post by myshelly on May 4, 2024 23:57:53 GMT
I’m not familiar with Eric Church, never heard of him, but upon clicking and reading the article it sounds like he sang covers the whole time?
To me, that’s not creative/artistic license/new direction…that’s just expensive karaoke.
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Post by cmpeter on May 5, 2024 0:05:49 GMT
Not a fan. Sing your new stuff and your beloved stuff. Don’t go straying unless you tell me upfront before I pay for the tickets.
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Post by littlemama on May 5, 2024 0:53:32 GMT
I would not be happy to have a singer pushing his religion in a concert, then singing covers. What a tool.
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Post by milocat on May 5, 2024 0:58:56 GMT
Unless it was advertised differently I'd expect it to be all his songs except a couple of covers. It says the tickets were $600 and he was a headliner. And he wonders why people were mad?
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Post by pilcas on May 5, 2024 1:00:29 GMT
I go to a concert to hear the songs the artist is famous for. Yes! I would be pretty unhappy.
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Post by katlady on May 5, 2024 1:07:14 GMT
Unless it was advertised as otherwise, I would expect him to sing the songs that made him famous. I would be upset too.
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Post by pinklady on May 5, 2024 1:31:03 GMT
Eric Church is the ultimate douche so I think he did this on purpose just to be an asshole.
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Post by workingclassdog on May 5, 2024 1:57:27 GMT
If it isn’t advertised as certain songs I guess he can sing whatever he wants.
IOn that note, I would have been disappointed not to hear the songs I thought I would hear.
I have had three or four friends go to this concert and the one comment was from one person that she was sad she didn’t hear his famous songs that the gospel songs were very good.
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Post by melanell on May 5, 2024 2:06:07 GMT
I think I would be more appreciative of something like this if it was someone I really loved, who I've seen in concert several times before, etc.
If you were a huge, huge fan of someone back in the days of CDs or cassette tapes, and your favorite singer would come out with a boxed CD/Tape and one of the CDs/tapes would be full of demos, deep cuts, or other special recordings and that would be so exciting because it was stuff that was new from a person or band that you thought you owned or heard everything they ever came out with, kwim?
Attending this concert and hearing them sing something totally unexpected would then be something I couldn't experience outside of this event, which might be a similar type of excitement as those bonus tracks.
But outside of die-hard fans, I can definitely see where others would be disappointed, especially if this was there first time attending one of his shows.
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Post by Merge on May 5, 2024 3:39:51 GMT
I wouldn’t be too happy with that if I was a fan of his music.
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Post by Ryann on May 5, 2024 3:46:14 GMT
Not a fan of his music, but we watched Stagecoach via streaming and saw most of his performance. The majority of what we saw were religious songs/covers. He didn't address the crowd once and wore sunglasses - so it was a total disconnect from the crowd. It was just one song after another. After an hour (?) we turned it off. I was bored and I know DW was disappointed by his performance (she's the one who likes country music).
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Post by lisae on May 5, 2024 11:49:18 GMT
I am a fan of his music. He grew up just a few miles from me.
As long as it didn't go on too long - more than a quarter of his set - it would not bother me especially if it were well done.
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Post by AussieMeg on May 5, 2024 12:03:44 GMT
I've never heard of this particular singer. If I think about going to see a singer whom I knew and liked, and they played something other than their own songs that I most likely went to hear, then I would be pretty disappointed.
DSO is a huge Steve Earl fan. We saw him here a few years ago, at an outdoor gig with other several artists. He started off his set with 'Copperhead Road', then said to the crowd something like "Right, you've heard it now, if that's the only song of mine that you know, you can fuck off now!" It was hilarious.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on May 5, 2024 12:34:42 GMT
Where do you stand on artists expressing themselves through their art - even when it's not what you expect or pay for? Is it exciting and interesting to see them expand their repertoire? Or do you want to see/hear/experience the "greatest hits?" I’m going to address it first from this angle as your question made me think of the outrage from many about Taylor Swift’s new album. I keep hearing criticism that she’s an icon to young girls and the new music is inappropriate for them. I’ve also seen a lot about it being satanic. (Insert huge eye roll here.) I am firmly on the bench, however, that’s it’s her art and she’s free to explore her artistic creativity any way she chooses. For what it’s worth, Tortured Poets Department is the first ever download of TS for me. I find many of the lyrics in it brilliant. Now, to the question of Eric Church. While he too is free to express himself as he pleases, headlining that event when people were expecting to hear his own work was not the time. A cover or two would be okay. Veering off into proselytizing with an unsuspecting - and paying - audience was not.
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Post by compeateropeator on May 5, 2024 12:37:22 GMT
I've never heard of this particular singer. If I think about going to see a singer whom I knew and liked, and they played something other than their own songs that I most likely went to hear, then I would be pretty disappointed. DSO is a huge Steve Earl fan. We saw him here a few years ago, at an outdoor gig with other several artists. He started off his set with 'Copperhead Road', then said to the crowd something like "Right, you've heard it now, if that's the only song of mine that you know, you can fuck off now!" It was hilarious. OMG - I just logged in to post my response and decided to do so without reading the other responses first (I know a little controversial…but it always gets me bogged down and trying to write too much. 😉 ) but my reply was under yours and I saw the name Steve Earle and had to read it. Hahaha. One of my stories is about Steve Earle. I am also a huge Steve Earle fan from way way back and have seen him numerous times. I will admit you never know what you are going to get with him which I kind of like. 😆 So my actual answer is my typical I can see both sides…noncommittal reply. I have seen a lot of live music, some great and some so so. I try never to have expectations because then you are sure to be disappointed. I try to go and enjoy what I get. I consider it something I like to do and it is entertainment. I would never leave a concert (or movie early) - I paid to see a show, and whether I love it or not is all part of the experience. The only one I have ever left early (and it wasn’t my choice) was a Steve Earle show. Yes I would love to hear old favorites, but sometimes new things or spins on old music is the biggest surprise and the best parts of shows. And then there are long lasting artist (I.e. Buffett, Springsteen, etc) who have so many beloved songs that they can’t always do them all. So someone is always disappointed because their favorite is not included. I would be a bit sad if all the times that I saw Jimmy Buffett he didn’t play A Pirate Looks at Forty - one of my most favorite songs of his. I still complain about one of the times I saw Little Feat and they didn’t play Willin’. And that was years ago. 😆🤷🏻♀️ So I am very wish washy on this and I would prefer some of each. However, I would appreciate a heads-up by how it is advertised or presented if the entire show is going to be something totally different than what that artist is known for.
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Post by Tamhugh on May 5, 2024 13:05:03 GMT
The fact that it was gospel music would not bother me. I am not overly religious, but I can appreciate the beauty of gospel music. Mostly all covers? That would bother me.
DH and I are Zac Brown fans and have become disappointed that over the years, his concerts have become so many cover songs. One or two songs? Sure. Five, six, or more? No thanks.
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Post by lainey on May 5, 2024 13:09:03 GMT
I wouldn't be happy to pay $600 to listen to someone sing cover versions of other people's songs. I hate cover versions when I hear them for free so I probably would have walked out too.
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Post by peabay on May 5, 2024 13:29:46 GMT
Van Morrison is notorious for this - he often won't play his big hits like "Brown Eyed Girl" or will just play one popular song to appease the audience. My sister saw him in concert once and he had another member of the band sing the bigger hits - I guess he's bored by them (which I totally understand - my God, how many times has Bruce Springsteen had to sing "Born to Run?")
But for some people, it's the one and only time they'll see this artist - and they want some familiarity.
I agree that if you're a huge fan and you know the artist's catalog and really enjoy their art, you're interested in experimentation. But the casual fan would typically not be.
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Post by hutchfan on May 5, 2024 15:09:19 GMT
I love Eric Church. There are many artists who will tell you that they get tired of playing the same things over and over again. An article I read said he had performed earlier in the day at another venue and wanted to do something different. I love Ricky Nelson song Garden Party for this exact example of how artists are treated most of the time. I have seen Rick Springfield many times and over the past 10 years he will sing his hits but they are drastically different versions because he gets bored performing the same things the same way day in day out.
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Post by milocat on May 5, 2024 16:06:33 GMT
Not a fan of his music, but we watched Stagecoach via streaming and saw most of his performance. The majority of what we saw were religious songs/covers. He didn't address the crowd once and wore sunglasses - so it was a total disconnect from the crowd. It was just one song after another. After an hour (?) we turned it off. I was bored and I know DW was disappointed by his performance (she's the one who likes country music). When doesn't he wear sunglasses though?
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Post by JustTricia on May 5, 2024 16:13:00 GMT
I think it all depends on how it was done and if you like the songs.
It sounds like Church came out, sang songs, and left (to the person who commented that he wore sunglasses; he always does). It didn’t sound like it was a very fun show.
But contrast to that, Post Malone played Stagecoach and sang (I think) all country covers. He brought out other artists, he danced like crazy, and he made it a SHOW. I would have loved to watch that, even if I missed out on my favorite songs of his.
I can compare this to two country artists I saw within a year of each other. John Michael Montgomery came out, stood behind his microphone, and sang his songs. Maybe swayed back and forth a few times. I loved him at the time; we used his songs as our first dance and as the bridal party dance. It was the most boring show I had ever been to.
I saw George Strait that same year. He came out, stood behind his microphone, and sang his songs. He did sway a bit. But he was charismatic. He engaged the crowd; he smiled and looked like he was having a good time.
If you put videos side by side without sound those two entertainers from that year would have looked very similar. But one concert sucked and the other was fantastic.
I will admit that it makes me nervous; our company show this year is Eric Church and it’s always a drink induced good time. If he does this it will be disappointing, even if it was a free to me show.
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Post by Ryann on May 5, 2024 16:13:44 GMT
Not a fan of his music, but we watched Stagecoach via streaming and saw most of his performance. The majority of what we saw were religious songs/covers. He didn't address the crowd once and wore sunglasses - so it was a total disconnect from the crowd. It was just one song after another. After an hour (?) we turned it off. I was bored and I know DW was disappointed by his performance (she's the one who likes country music). When doesn't he wear sunglasses though? IDK. I’m not familiar with him other than knowing his name.
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Post by Ryann on May 5, 2024 16:19:51 GMT
But contrast to that, Post Malone played Stagecoach and sang (I think) all country covers. He brought out other artists, he danced like crazy, and he made it a SHOW. I would have loved to watch that, even if I missed out on my favorite songs of his. We also watched the Post Malone set on streaming, anticipating that it going to be PM karaoke and was dismissive of it prior to. I fully admitted to DW I was wrong "I'm eating my words!". The PM set was great. A lot of fun to watch. I really enjoyed it. And it was all the things the EC set wasn't - engaging, room/breaks for talking to the audience and to receive feedback from them, too.
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Post by compeateropeator on May 5, 2024 17:04:18 GMT
Not a fan of his music, but we watched Stagecoach via streaming and saw most of his performance. The majority of what we saw were religious songs/covers. He didn't address the crowd once and wore sunglasses - so it was a total disconnect from the crowd. It was just one song after another. After an hour (?) we turned it off. I was bored and I know DW was disappointed by his performance (she's the one who likes country music). When doesn't he wear sunglasses though? I’ve never seen him without sunglasses. I also have to say I have never seen a performance by him that was overly engaging. I think it is just him. He sings his songs. But I also have only seen him for songs here or there and not any long set or show. IMO for some artist it is the music and they are probably more radio/streaming stars. And then there are entertainers and no matter what or how they play the music the shows make it worth while. And then there are those unicorns that are both. 😄 ETA - I saw him do a performance of a Jimmy Buffett song at a tribute concert and other than bending his knees and a few hand jesters that was about it. And if you don’t really move when singing a Buffett song …😆
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Post by milocat on May 6, 2024 1:21:10 GMT
But contrast to that, Post Malone played Stagecoach and sang (I think) all country covers. He brought out other artists, he danced like crazy, and he made it a SHOW. I would have loved to watch that, even if I missed out on my favorite songs of his. We also watched the Post Malone set on streaming, anticipating that it going to be PM karaoke and was dismissive of it prior to. I fully admitted to DW I was wrong "I'm eating my words!". The PM set was great. A lot of fun to watch. I really enjoyed it. And it was all the things the EC set wasn't - engaging, room/breaks for talking to the audience and to receive feedback from them, too. Interesting that you brought up Post Malone on this thread's topic. He doesn't have country songs but sang country covers, some were duets with the artists. I thought it was great, Three Wooden Crosses was especially wonderful. People, assumably, knew he wasn't going to sing his songs yet they went to his show and I haven't heard any complaints about Post Malone's versus the complaints about Eric Church.
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Post by stampnscrap1128 on May 6, 2024 1:52:34 GMT
I'd be very unhappy. It reminds me of the Christmas concert we attended that featured Mannheim Steamroller. We'd attended previous holiday concerts by them and they were great. But this last time they played a bunch of songs from one of their new non-holiday cds. The concert was advertised as a holiday concert so we had reasonable expectations. Very disappointing and we probably won't attend any more of their holiday concerts.
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Post by AmandaA on May 6, 2024 2:03:58 GMT
Keep in mind this is the same artist who screwed his fans a few years ago and cancelled a show to go watch the Final Four. I guess on the plus side at least he showed up and played for the fans who made the effort to be there. He has some songs I have liked over the years, but I would also put him on the douchebag list.
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Post by freecharlie on May 6, 2024 4:26:28 GMT
I'd be pissed.
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Post by bratkar on May 7, 2024 12:29:21 GMT
I'm torn...... as someone who attends 50+ concerts a year, Eric Church being one last year. We have seen Garth Brooks, probably 30 times, we bought tickets last year for his show in Vegas, the day we picked was my birthday. So of course I had hoped he we would sing one of my very favorite songs (that was my wedding song 30 years ago). I have only heard it live 4 times. But that night he did A LOT of classic covers of songs I would have never imagined he would sing. He did a about half of his songs. I really appreciated hearing him do the covers, it was a fun nice change. But I can see at a festival with a lot more people, it should have been a 80/20 split for Eric Church. He's not even all that great in concert honestly.
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