lindab
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Post by lindab on May 5, 2024 3:24:03 GMT
As I'm now a few years away from collecting my full social security retirement benefit, I'm reading rumors that there will be no social security funds remaining when I reach the qualifying age in 4 years. Do I need to be worried about this? Is anyone else concerned?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 5, 2024 3:27:27 GMT
Vote carefully in November. Some want Social Security abolished/drastically cut, others do not!
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penny8909
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Post by penny8909 on May 5, 2024 3:37:09 GMT
where are you getting that information?
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Post by Merge on May 5, 2024 3:38:05 GMT
We have never planned on SS being available by the time we retire. The writing has been on the wall with that for a long time.
And yes, vote carefully. One party has made it clear that they don’t want SS to continue.
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Gennifer
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Post by Gennifer on May 5, 2024 4:07:10 GMT
We have never planned on SS being available by the time we retire. The writing has been on the wall with that for a long time. And yes, vote carefully. One party has made it clear that they don’t want SS to continue. This. I kind of thought it was common knowledge.
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Post by katlady on May 5, 2024 5:53:26 GMT
Social Security reserves are supposed to be depleted by 2035 or 2037. After that, they estimate they will be able to pay out about 75% of benefits, based on the current taxes they will still be collecting from workers. It will be up to Congress to do something. www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/ssb/v70n3/v70n3p111.htmlSO and I are lucky to be working for companies with a 401K and a pension (my company). We have never planned on SS being around when we retire, although we will retire before 2035.
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Post by chaosisapony on May 5, 2024 5:54:46 GMT
Yes, I've always assumed Social Security wouldn't be there for me. I have a retirement plan through work, it's not great and I save what I can but I know that realistically unless something dramatic changes I will be living in abject poverty in my retirement years.
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Post by Lurkingpea on May 5, 2024 6:00:14 GMT
I never expected SS to be around when we retire either. Pretty sure it has been tossed around for years that it would run out in a few years. 2035 is longer than I thought it would last.
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Post by FuzzyMutt on May 5, 2024 8:44:04 GMT
Much like above... I never considered Social Security to be solvent by the time I get there. Fingers pointing in all the directions, but the bottom line is no one has done anything about it.
Personally, I hope I wake up tomorrow and read that it is no longer solvent. Sure would be nice to be able to save that money I'm paying in every paycheck to go towards my actual retirement. I'm sure that wouldn't be allowed, however.
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twinsmomfla99
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on May 5, 2024 9:10:56 GMT
I am 62 and could start collecting as soon as I retire (hopefully next year). I never planned onSS still being available, so we will be okay without it.
I fully expect to see means-tested eligibility before I reach full retirement age (67 for me), so I might take mine early. DH is already drawing his full amount.
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Post by mellyw on May 5, 2024 11:42:02 GMT
We have never planned on SS being available by the time we retire. The writing has been on the wall with that for a long time. And yes, vote carefully. One party has made it clear that they don’t want SS to continue. Absolutely this. Our retirement funds are set up without SS being factored in. If it’s there, it’s just extra. Wish more people were paying attention to the desire of said party to eliminate every social safety net we have in this country
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Post by lisae on May 5, 2024 11:44:17 GMT
I first heard this when I started to work at age 21. Just a few years short of ss myself so this is an old warning that gets resurrected, often in election years. Since any hint of a threat to ss and medicare is a campaign killer, I think there are a lot of things that would go before ss. The reality is there is no big pot of money where ss is collected and saved. It comes out of the federal budget just like everything else.
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Post by littlemama on May 5, 2024 12:14:28 GMT
There is no reason for it to run out- Congress needs to abolish the SS tax cap on "high" earners. Just another way the wealthy do not have to pay their share. Now that pensions arent a thing and wages are kept low by wealthy corporations, there are a lot of people who deperately need that money for retirement.
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Post by Merge on May 5, 2024 15:04:42 GMT
Much like above... I never considered Social Security to be solvent by the time I get there. Fingers pointing in all the directions, but the bottom line is no one has done anything about it. Personally, I hope I wake up tomorrow and read that it is no longer solvent. Sure would be nice to be able to save that money I'm paying in every paycheck to go towards my actual retirement. I'm sure that wouldn't be allowed, however. We won't be allowed to stop paying because we need to keep paying for all the people currently receiving it, most (not all) of whom vote for the party that wants to end it before our generation can benefit.
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on May 5, 2024 15:26:41 GMT
I first heard this when I started to work at age 21. Just a few years short of ss myself so this is an old warning that gets resurrected, often in election years. Since any hint of a threat to ss and medicare is a campaign killer, I think there are a lot of things that would go before ss. The reality is there is no big pot of money where ss is collected and saved. It comes out of the federal budget just like everything else. This. DH and I are 68/67 and have been hearing this our entire working lives. I have full faith that the government will find a way to keep SS going...in a way that somehow benefits them and their own pocketbooks. The older I get the more cynical I become - and that applies to both parties.
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Post by librarylady on May 5, 2024 15:29:36 GMT
I think there are those who have been saying "SS will run out of money" for YEARS and YEARS. I don't believe it will go away.
It began as a way to keep people from living on the street or going without food. It was never intended to be the entire retirement fund for our citizens. It is supposed to ensure the that your very basic needs are funded. We are supposed to be saving something to go with that basic fund when we are no longer working.
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Post by snowsilver on May 5, 2024 15:57:39 GMT
The doomsday criers have been saying Social Security will run out for years! They were beating that drum long before I was eligible and I lived with the fear that I would never collect. It would take a massive event that would change everything as we know it for either party to let SS run out. It may happen someday, but I personally believe that those of you nearing collecting time are safe.
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scrappinmama
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Post by scrappinmama on May 5, 2024 16:09:05 GMT
I have been hearing this since I was in my 20's. I'm now in my 50's. If it was allowed to run out, there would be so many elderly people living on the streets. Vote carefully. The lives of generations to come depend on it.
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Post by katlady on May 5, 2024 16:16:21 GMT
There is no reason for it to run out- Congress needs to abolish the SS tax cap on "high" earners. Just another way the wealthy do not have to pay their share. Now that pensions arent a thing and wages are kept low by wealthy corporations, there are a lot of people who deperately need that money for retirement. The problem with raising the earning cap is that you would have to increase the benefit cap. So would it be a wash? I don’t think the experts fully know. And there are ways for companies to “hide” higher wages by calling it something else. And if you don’t increase the benefit cap, then people who are putting more into the system are subsidizing the program. Is that right? The earning cap right now is around $170,000. Maybe raising it to $400,000, and raising the benefit cap accordingly, would help?
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Post by Scrapper100 on May 5, 2024 16:29:05 GMT
We have never planned on SS being available by the time we retire. The writing has been on the wall with that for a long time. And yes, vote carefully. One party has made it clear that they don’t want SS to continue. Absolutely this. Our retirement funds are set up without SS being factored in. If it’s there, it’s just extra. Wish more people were paying attention to the desire of said party to eliminate every social safety net we have in this country They don’t believe they would really cut it because over 50 million seniors receive it and depend on it. I asked my MIL and it’s just a few that want to cut it and it will never happen. So she doesn’t believe any that say Republicans will cut it.
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SweetieBsMom
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Post by SweetieBsMom on May 5, 2024 16:33:21 GMT
When I do my retirement planning, I do not include SS in my planning. I want to have enough saved that I'm comfortable. If SS is there, great, if it's not, I'm still ok.
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Post by littlemama on May 5, 2024 18:17:58 GMT
There is no reason for it to run out- Congress needs to abolish the SS tax cap on "high" earners. Just another way the wealthy do not have to pay their share. Now that pensions arent a thing and wages are kept low by wealthy corporations, there are a lot of people who deperately need that money for retirement. The problem with raising the earning cap is that you would have to increase the benefit cap. So would it be a wash? I don’t think the experts fully know. And there are ways for companies to “hide” higher wages by calling it something else. And if you don’t increase the benefit cap, then people who are putting more into the system are subsidizing the program. Is that right? The earning cap right now is around $170,000. Maybe raising it to $400,000, and raising the benefit cap accordingly, would help? It's ok with me if the wealthy pay a fair share. No need to raise the benefit cap- they are wealthy.
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Post by Bridget in MD on May 5, 2024 22:21:50 GMT
When I do my retirement planning, I do not include SS in my planning. I want to have enough saved that I'm comfortable. If SS is there, great, if it's not, I'm still ok.The thing is, is it legal for the govt to take that money from us knowing it won't be around for younger generations? I have been watching a lot of TT on this matter, and I just do not understand the incentive to pay into the program. I mean, I get it, it's tax evasion if you don't, but it's it theft from us if they continue to take it, knowing it's going to be gone? I read that it was never supposed to be above a small % of your paycheck, and now it's over 6%. The way I look at it, retirement is not an age... it's a number in the bank you figured out what you need to have in order to retire... I don't think enough people understand that.
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Post by katlady on May 5, 2024 22:32:27 GMT
When I do my retirement planning, I do not include SS in my planning. I want to have enough saved that I'm comfortable. If SS is there, great, if it's not, I'm still ok.The thing is, is it legal for the govt to take that money from us knowing it won't be around for younger generations? I have been watching a lot of TT on this matter, and I just do not understand the incentive to pay into the program. I mean, I get it, it's tax evasion if you don't, but it's it theft from us if they continue to take it, knowing it's going to be gone? I read that it was never supposed to be above a small % of your paycheck, and now it's over 6%. The way I look at it, retirement is not an age... it's a number in the bank you figured out what you need to have in order to retire... I don't think enough people understand that. As it stands right now, they will still pay out, it just won't be at 100% of what your benefit would be right now in 2024. Your benefits after 2035 will be lower than what it is in 2025 because they no longer have a reserve to cover 100% of your benefits. If you receive $100/month in 2025, you may only get $75/month in 2035.
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Post by katlady on May 5, 2024 22:34:45 GMT
The problem with raising the earning cap is that you would have to increase the benefit cap. So would it be a wash? I don’t think the experts fully know. And there are ways for companies to “hide” higher wages by calling it something else. And if you don’t increase the benefit cap, then people who are putting more into the system are subsidizing the program. Is that right? The earning cap right now is around $170,000. Maybe raising it to $400,000, and raising the benefit cap accordingly, would help? It's ok with me if the wealthy pay a fair share. No need to raise the benefit cap- they are wealthy. If the wealthy put money in and get nothing back, they are paying more than their fair share. Where I think they should pay their fair share is in income taxes, but that is a different topic.
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Post by Merge on May 5, 2024 22:50:10 GMT
The problem with raising the earning cap is that you would have to increase the benefit cap. So would it be a wash? I don’t think the experts fully know. And there are ways for companies to “hide” higher wages by calling it something else. And if you don’t increase the benefit cap, then people who are putting more into the system are subsidizing the program. Is that right? The earning cap right now is around $170,000. Maybe raising it to $400,000, and raising the benefit cap accordingly, would help? It's ok with me if the wealthy pay a fair share. No need to raise the benefit cap- they are wealthy. I say this as someone who will be fortunate enough not to need SS money in the future - people like us should not receive SS checks, even though we paid in. I fully support raising the earnings cap AND means testing for payouts. There is no other similar entitlement benefit that is paid out to the wealthy or even the comfortable middle class, even though we pay taxes for those programs. This should be the same. Leave the money to keep the elderly who need it off the streets and from starving.
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anaterra
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Post by anaterra on May 5, 2024 23:58:59 GMT
I must be really naive or just dumb... i never thought ss would run out... ever.. much less by the time I get that age...
Im 48.. i do have a 401k and am lucky enough to work for a company that still offers a pension.... but i always included ss in my retirement plan...
Employees will always be paying into it.. so where will that money go???
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Post by Texas Scrap on May 6, 2024 0:00:28 GMT
This is an interesting conversation. I just retired after working for 30 years and paying in my required taxes accurately annually. I am 53, so not planning to draw anything for quite a while. I have gotten mail over the years from the govt and through my work retirement services telling me annually what I can expect from SSN when I am at the age I can start withdrawing it. Will I require it to live off of, no. Will I draw on it if available, possibly. I think the original intent and the more recent communications have evolved. I think the government 100% should continue to provide SSN checks to those who qualify. I also think even from reading this thread, there is a gap between how the govt communicates the purpose and intention of SSN and what people believe about what it is and how it's used. Merge makes some great points, AND, it would be meaningful if our government actually framed and communicated the intentions of SSN as for those who can't make it other wise. But they don't. And so people have expectations based on being told it is a benefit for everyone. And maybe that makes sense in a different economy, but it seems to be something that will eventually be unsustainable. I don't think it's fair to "sell" it for everyone if it's not and I think communicating it as such would be helpful. I remember at 16 getting my first paycheck and hearing people talk about SSN running out. I know my mom relies on it and I am grateful she can receive those funds. I don't love the fact that I have paid into something for 30+ years and may see none of it, but I also understand plenty of systems and ways of doing things that work at one point in history, do not continue to make sense. We will need something, but if they do make a decision to exclude people as a way to intentionally direct the funds to those who need it most, then start planning an approach to pivot the benefit and communicate that clearly to everyone.
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Post by lisacharlotte on May 6, 2024 0:21:45 GMT
When I do my retirement planning, I do not include SS in my planning. I want to have enough saved that I'm comfortable. If SS is there, great, if it's not, I'm still ok. Same. SS wasn't figured into our financial portfolio for retirement. We wanted to make sure we could afford to retire with no SS.
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Post by deekaye on May 6, 2024 1:37:20 GMT
I'm retiring in a little less than 18 months. I've never planned on Social Security at my retirement, rather I have two retirement accounts. If I am able to collect SS, that will be just an added bonus. I am concerned for people (including my bestie!) who are counting on SS upon retirement and have no other contingency plans.
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