westiemom
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Post by westiemom on Jun 8, 2024 2:54:59 GMT
I have been feeling sad all day. DH is tired today and my two best friends are both on vacation. I thought I would sound off to the peas.... I have three sisters and a brother as well as nine nieces and nephews. I have never forgotten any of them for high school or college graduations. Usually, I don't get an announcement (we live 700+ miles from all of them) but I know they are graduating. We have an amount we send for high school graduations and we send double that for college graduation. One is getting a Masters currently and we will send double the college amount when she graduates. She is the only niece/nephew working on an advance degree. One niece is married. She did not invite us to the wedding but did invite us to the reception (unusual). We did not attend but sent a generous gift. She has had three children and we sent a gift for each. We also sent shower gifts for the wedding and for each of the three babies. This niece and family has not spoken to us in five years. We don't know why. She will not respond to any communication. She also has cut off her parents.
Another niece is getting married tomorrow. We cannot attend (1000 miles away) but we sent a generous check. I sent a wedding shower gift in April. She is also pregnant and due in September. So I predict more shopping soon. I should mention that this niece has had no contact with us for two years until she sent me a "Hi. How are you?" email the day before I got the emailed wedding shower invitation. For almost three years, we have been dealing with my husband's cancer diagnosis and treatment. They all know. One sister sent a Panera gift card. Two sisters call sometimes.
In May, one of my sons graduated from a very well known University with a PhD. We are over the moon happy! This took him 14 years which is a really long time to be in school and poor! It occurred to me that while we were there, he never said a word about any of my siblings or his cousins. They ALL knew he was graduating. So he called last night. While we were talking, I asked him if he heard from any of my family when he graduated. He said Grandma (my mom) had sent a nice card with a nice check. No one else? No. Would it have been too much for any of them to send a card? I don't say they needed to send a gift (though all of them could certainly afford to) but not even a CARD? It's a giant accomplishment. I feel like I am a schmuck to keep remembering these people for virtually everything in their life but no one can remember my son. Rant over.
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Post by christine58 on Jun 8, 2024 3:01:35 GMT
Just my two cents, but any niece or nephew or brother or sister who has had no contact with you for two years five years or 10 years would not be getting a gift from me.. I think you just need to stop sending anything to anyone who does not acknowledge your existence or the fact that your husband is ill. They are toxic.
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seaexplore
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Post by seaexplore on Jun 8, 2024 3:09:08 GMT
I’d not be sending anything to anyone who hasn’t been in my life in the past year.
You’re a very generous person to remember everyone.
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Post by disneypal on Jun 8, 2024 3:19:29 GMT
I’m sorry, it seems so many people are too busy & wrapped up in their own world sometimes. You are so sweet to do these things & try to keep in touch with them, I know it’s hard when they don’t reciprocate.
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wellway
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Post by wellway on Jun 8, 2024 3:20:42 GMT
Your good manners are not being reciprocated. I would halt all the gifts, you have more than done your bit. You do not have to continue to the next generation of great nephews and nieces.
I hope your husband's health is much improved now.
Congratulations to your son on his PDH, an accomplishment that required ability and perseverance. No mean feat.
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Post by leannec on Jun 8, 2024 3:23:59 GMT
Time to cut them off ... they don't appreciate you ... at all. You are a giving person and they are takers. Congratulations on the Ph.D to your ds!
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Post by Zee on Jun 8, 2024 3:25:37 GMT
Not everyone has "gifts" as a love language or feels it necessary to keep up with people they never speak to, in the form of gifts.
May I gently say that YOU are choosing to do this, not them. It seems more important to you than to them. So do it if it makes you feel good, and stop if it's not bringing you joy.
I wouldn't ever think to send a nephew I never see (or anyone else, for that matter) a card or gift for getting their PhD. They're a full adult and that's not what I would ever think of as a gifting occasion. I would congratulate them if they posted about it on FB.
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Post by anaterra on Jun 8, 2024 3:36:54 GMT
(((( westiemom )))) Im sorry that you are sad... I hope ur hubby and son do well!!! Congrats to ur baby...
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Post by GiantsFan on Jun 8, 2024 4:27:08 GMT
I'm sorry you're feeling sad. I would stop sending your gifts (money) to them. If you feel like you need to acknowledge them, send a card (no check or money inside).
Congratulations to your son!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 8, 2024 4:30:11 GMT
Congrats to your DS and all the support you have given him over the years.
May your DH's health improve.
HUGS to you. Time to cut the moochers off. Send a card if you choose, but I would skip the checks.. But of course, it is your choice.
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Post by chaosisapony on Jun 8, 2024 4:45:39 GMT
You sound like a very generous person. It also doesn't sound like you have any real, meaningful relationships with these people so I am not surprised that they are not acknowledging your son's accomplishment or sending gifts. Not everyone thinks that way. Not everyone has the ability to send generous gifts for every life event.
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Post by rainangel on Jun 8, 2024 5:24:38 GMT
You have been thoughtful and generous for years. But at this time I would start sending cards only. I would congratulate and share their joy, but they obviously only send invitations for gifts. My concern will be what happens when you stop sending gifts. How will they react? I am afraid you will learn some hard truths about them. It’s not about the money, it’s about acknowledging and congratulating a big event or achievement. Among these 13 people SOMEONE could have sent your son a card!
And a PhD is wild! Congratulations to him! What an accomplishment!
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Post by gar on Jun 8, 2024 8:49:52 GMT
It may be that sending money etc on these occasions is 'a given' for you, expected, traditional, a duty, the norm...whatever you want to call it. But clearly it isn't to them so it would seem that it's time to stop the habit since it's not acknowledged let alone appreciated. They probably bank on getting something generous from you without any effort on their part but they don't deserve your kindness just because they happen to be relatives.
And the fact that they're not in touch regularly about your husband speak volumes sadly.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jun 8, 2024 10:55:05 GMT
Big (((hugs)))
You are such a considerate, thoughtful, and generous person.
Congratulations to your son, and many good thoughts for your husband.
I am so sorry you are sad. Your extended family's lack of reciprocation with gifts and acknowledgements hurts.
I've been in this situation with my extended family for as long as I can remember. I've come to realize that I had expectations that they didn't share. I hold different values than they do, and have different ideas of what family should do. Now I still send out cards and gifts, but I don't expect them to come from them, and I'm less hurt by it.
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Post by littlemama on Jun 8, 2024 11:28:24 GMT
Congrats to your DS and all the support you have given him over the years. May your DH's health improve. HUGS to you. Time to cut the moochers off. Send a card if you choose, but I would skip the checks.. But of course, it is your choice. How are they moochers? She is choosing to send them money. (Not sure why, but this is a choice she is making.) Not everyone feels the same sense of obligation to send "generous" sums of money for each graduation.
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Post by littlemama on Jun 8, 2024 11:33:12 GMT
I think you and your family have different views of what occasions warrant a card or a gift. Where we live, high school graduations usually have a large party. Some guests bring a card. Even fewer give money. When my son got his Bachelor's and Masters together, he may have received a card from his grandparents, but that is it.
You can either continue to give because it makes you happy, but you cannot expect others to do the same.
One thing you never mention is the rest of the relationship. When you visit them, are the visits enjoyable? Does everyone reminisce and share stories? What about when you talk on the phone?
Im sorry you are sad.
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Post by mikklynn on Jun 8, 2024 13:12:48 GMT
I am fairly close to my nieces and nephews on my side. It would not have occurred to me to send a card or gift for a masters or PhD. I did cards/cash for high school and college graduations, as well as weddings, whether we could attend or not.
That said, I validate your feelings!
I no longer send any gifts to the most of the nieces and nephews on my late DH's side of the family. That started before he passed. I never received any acknowledgement of the gifts. One never even acknowledged his death.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 8, 2024 13:14:34 GMT
I’m curious about the rest of your relationship. You mention living far away, but do you visit? How do you keep in touch in general? I get the sense sending gifts for occasions is the primary contact with many of these people. I’m sorry you’re sad, but I will also gently suggest that many many people wouldn’t send money or card for an advanced degree. It occurred to me when reading your post that I never sent my niece anything when she went for a nursing degree post bachelors. And I’m close to her - I probably sent her a text or DM. Congratulations to your son - you might think about the relationship you want and if they’re interested in that relationship and if not whether continuing to acknowledge milestones is something you want to do.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jun 8, 2024 13:37:45 GMT
It may be that sending money etc on these occasions is 'a given' for you, expected, traditional, a duty, the norm...whatever you want to call it. But clearly it isn't to them so it would seem that it's time to stop the habit since it's not acknowledged let alone appreciated. They probably bank on getting something generous from you without any effort on their part but they don't deserve your kindness just because they happen to be relatives. And the fact that they're not in touch regularly about your husband speak volumes sadly. This. I’m sorry that they are so ungracious. It speaks well of you and your thoughtfulness. Now might be a good time to re-evaluate the generous gifts. My advice is to spend less time thinking about them. You did the generous thing for a long time and they almost certainly take it for granted that a check will be in the mail. Me, I would continue to send cards, but would leave out the checks.
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Post by quinlove on Jun 8, 2024 13:40:02 GMT
I agree with Zee about gift giving. You enjoy giving gifts and you should continue to do so unless it makes you start to feel bad about yourself. You also shouldn’t give gifts with any expectation from the recipients. Everyone is different. Your relatives just don’t feel like you do, and that’s perfectly ok. That’s what makes families. Give if you want to, don’t give if it makes you feel bad. Please try to not be concerned about what the others are doing or not doing. There is nothing at all that you can do about it and it will only bring you stress and disappointment.
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Post by karenlou on Jun 8, 2024 13:47:17 GMT
I agree with what all the Peas have said....I too enjoy giving gifts...that being said that practice stopped with nieces and nephews that couldn't even pick up a phone to say Thank You...I have one nephew who married MANY years ago..went to the wedding up in Vermont a multi hour trip....gave a generous gift, and NOTHING!!! That takes all the pleasure out of the giving....even a text is acceptable these days. In some cases...just a I received your gift would be nice! Sorry for your sadness re this .
CONGRATULATIONS to your DS on his degree...THAT is Huge!!!!
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Post by KelleeM on Jun 8, 2024 13:58:19 GMT
Huge congratulations to your son!
Vent away, this is a safe place to do it. Maybe you should reevaluate your expectations or decide not to give gifts any longer but you can only control yourself. Others will probably continue to disappoint you. Hugs.
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Post by pinklady on Jun 8, 2024 14:23:30 GMT
I have been feeling sad all day. DH is tired today and my two best friends are both on vacation. I thought I would sound off to the peas.... I have three sisters and a brother as well as nine nieces and nephews. I have never forgotten any of them for high school or college graduations. Usually, I don't get an announcement (we live 700+ miles from all of them) but I know they are graduating. We have an amount we send for high school graduations and we send double that for college graduation. One is getting a Masters currently and we will send double the college amount when she graduates. She is the only niece/nephew working on an advance degree. One niece is married. She did not invite us to the wedding but did invite us to the reception (unusual). We did not attend but sent a generous gift. She has had three children and we sent a gift for each. We also sent shower gifts for the wedding and for each of the three babies. This niece and family has not spoken to us in five years. We don't know why. She will not respond to any communication. She also has cut off her parents.
Another niece is getting married tomorrow. We cannot attend (1000 miles away) but we sent a generous check. I sent a wedding shower gift in April. She is also pregnant and due in September. So I predict more shopping soon. I should mention that this niece has had no contact with us for two years until she sent me a "Hi. How are you?" email the day before I got the emailed wedding shower invitation. For almost three years, we have been dealing with my husband's cancer diagnosis and treatment. They all know. One sister sent a Panera gift card. Two sisters call sometimes.
In May, one of my sons graduated from a very well known University with a PhD. We are over the moon happy! This took him 14 years which is a really long time to be in school and poor! It occurred to me that while we were there, he never said a word about any of my siblings or his cousins. They ALL knew he was graduating. So he called last night. While we were talking, I asked him if he heard from any of my family when he graduated. He said Grandma (my mom) had sent a nice card with a nice check. No one else? No. Would it have been too much for any of them to send a card? I don't say they needed to send a gift (though all of them could certainly afford to) but not even a CARD? It's a giant accomplishment. I feel like I am a schmuck to keep remembering these people for virtually everything in their life but no one can remember my son. Rant over.
I find it really bizarre that you continue to send gifts and money to people you and your family essentially have no relationship with. If they’ve never reciprocated, why would you expect anything different now?
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Post by scrapmaven on Jun 8, 2024 16:25:32 GMT
The money that you're spending on your family who isn't interested in a relationship w/you is money that you could be saving for a nice vacation or stuff that you want. I would not send anymore cards or money to your family. It's hurtful that they don't want to have a relationship w/you, but everytime you send another gift it is even more hurtful. They've shown you who they are and what they want. Now focus soley on your dh and kids and use that money for good stuff for all of you.
Congratulations to your son. I have a PhD student, too. It's a major accomplishment, but we aren't expecting any gifts. Perhaps there will be some in person verbal congratulations at the first family event after receiving his PhD in a year or two, but no gifts or cards. We'll do something, of course, but we're the parents. His only expectation after graduation is a good job in a lab somewhere and a possible academic career afterwards.
You have a lot on your plate w/your dh's cancer. I'm sorry that he's so ill.
You have permission to stop sending and acknowledging your nieces and nephews. Enough is enough. Stop putting yourself through the wringer.
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Post by basketdiva on Jun 8, 2024 16:26:17 GMT
Do you even get thank yous from these people? If not, then a card or email is all that necessary to acknowledge a graduation, wedding,etc.
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Post by artbabe on Jun 8, 2024 16:40:42 GMT
Stop sending people money. If you enjoy sending it, by all means do it, but it is making you sad, so stop.
Why are you sending money to people who you don't have contact with? What are you hoping to gain by that? If you want to maintain a relationship with these people, you need to find ways to do it that are more than putting money in an envelope. But it sounds like some of the people don't want to maintain a relationship, and if that is the case, just let it go.
I'm a big fan of removing things from my life that don't bring me joy.
I got my Masters at 45. It was a big deal to me. I didn't send announcements- I'm not sure anyone knew outside of my immediate family and my coworkers. I didn't get a gift from anyone and didn't expect it. I did get a couple of cards from coworkers and I really appreciated it, but in no way did I expect it.
I'm so sorry that you are sad. That really sucks. I am so glad that you can come here and express that. It sounds like everyone here has the same advice.
I am so sorry you are sad. That sucks. I'm glad that you are able to express that to us.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jun 8, 2024 17:00:37 GMT
I think it’s long past time to stop sending these people gifts especially if they aren’t thanking you for them. You didn’t specifically say that’s the case, but if it is that makes it beyond bad manners on their part. I had a couple of very close aunts and an uncle who always, ALWAYS thought of us and remembered us on our birthdays, milestones and Christmas. They were like extra parents to us, IMO. My siblings and I went way out of our way to include them in our everyday lives, calling to check in on them from time to time, helping out at their houses with bigger tasks and projects, and just visiting when we were able so those relationships do exist.
If that’s what you’re hoping for but not getting from these people, they really are showing you in a not so subtle way that it’s not going to happen and you’re better off putting those resources toward the people who are actually in your life, whether they are blood relatives or not. Some of my closest adult relationships have been with friends who have become my chosen family. I get much more pleasure spending my time and money on and with those people who have shown me they truly value having me in their lives.
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Post by leeny on Jun 8, 2024 17:34:47 GMT
I am sorry this makes you sad. I agree with the others about no longer gifting to those you are not close to. I wonder if this is also a societal shift. I come from a family that celebrated everything for everyone as a family. My niece never tells us what is going on with her daughter (who is 12) unless we learn it from Facebook and I don't follow any family members on Facebook. Sometimes my sister doesn't know of her own granddaughter's accomplishments unless she reads it on Facebook. We've not been close to DH's sisters or their kids so we have no idea what is happening on their side of the family.
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Post by pilcas on Jun 8, 2024 17:46:22 GMT
I do think this is a societal change. In my area graduation announcements are not a thing. Neither are big graduation parties. Usually the immediate family goes out for a meal after the graduation ceremony. We gifted our kids for their HS and college graduation as did their grandparents. That was it. None of their aunts or uncles did and it wasn’t expected. My husband has a large extended family, some are part of our lives, others minimally. I couldn’t possibly keep up with everyone. Because his family is so large we are not close to all of our nephews, some live out of state, there is no relationship and that is accepted by all.
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Post by purplebee on Jun 8, 2024 20:30:00 GMT
You are a kind and thoughtful person. I am assuming you received no acknowledgement from the recipients of your generosity? Cut them off! The only thing they care about is cashing your checks!
Please try and lose your expectations of any type of similar behavior from them, as it will not happen.
Congratulations to your son, and sending healing thoughts to your Dh.
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