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Post by Night Owl on Jun 12, 2024 19:20:15 GMT
One of the CTMH (Close To My Heart) consultants I follow went to Creative Memories, that has to be different for them because CM doesn't have stamping/inks and CM's paper/cardstock is thinner. I looked through the Stampin' Up catalog and as a scrapbooker I don't see much that interests me. I did hear Stampin' Up will get more scrapbook related stuff in the fall, I hope they can make it selling Stampin' Up.
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Post by 950nancy on Jun 12, 2024 19:57:32 GMT
A few that I watch on YT have also said the same. I hope everyone does well, but they are two different beasts in some ways. I wonder if CM will change a bit to fill that void.
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Post by Night Owl on Jun 12, 2024 20:48:47 GMT
A few that I watch on YT have also said the same. I hope everyone does well, but they are two different beasts in some ways. I wonder if CM will change a bit to fill that void. My neighbor started selling Creative Memories. I hadn't looked at their product lines in years but I will say that the new CM is different, they have top loading page protectors and they are using chunkier stuff like foam tape and enamel dots and their tools are great. But I would think Stampin' Up and CM don't allow you to use CTMH products on your public layouts and as a consultant they must have a ton of CTMH stuff.
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Post by Margie on Jun 12, 2024 21:14:15 GMT
Last week my CTMH consultant posted that the CTMH Art Department Director was just hired by Stampin' Up, so it looks like they'll be doing better with their scrapbooking stuff.
I do hope Creative Memories steps up on their papers. All I ever buy from them is their punches (and some tools) because I don't care for their papers. I also think most of the CM consultants on YT are a little behind on their scrapbooking styles. I can almost always tell when YT recommends scrapbook videos whether they are CM or not.
I follow(ed) a few CTMH consultants who had the most beautiful style, and many times purchased CTMH products because of their posts.
@night Owl is your neighbor on YT? I'd love to see what a former CTMH maker does with CM products.
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Post by Night Owl on Jun 12, 2024 21:37:44 GMT
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Post by Margie on Jun 12, 2024 22:18:46 GMT
Thanks for the links @night Owl!
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Post by 950nancy on Jun 12, 2024 22:26:37 GMT
A few that I watch on YT have also said the same. I hope everyone does well, but they are two different beasts in some ways. I wonder if CM will change a bit to fill that void. My neighbor started selling Creative Memories. I hadn't looked at their product lines in years but I will say that the new CM is different, they have top loading page protectors and they are using chunkier stuff like foam tape and enamel dots and their tools are great. But I would think Stampin' Up and CM don't allow you to use CTMH products on your public layouts and as a consultant they must have a ton of CTMH stuff. I can totally appreciate layouts made from many companies, but I really have a hard time with the aesthetic of CM and CTMH. I gravitate more towards SS, 49 and Market, P13, EP and other similar lines. I feel like CM and CTMH colors are more washed out and for the lack of a better description more predicable or safe? I don't know if that is the right description. I just know that when I see a layout from one of their lines, I know it. And you are right about CM being exclusive. I remember going to crops sponsored by CM and being told my stuff was not allowed. So weird.
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Post by Night Owl on Jun 12, 2024 22:47:38 GMT
I looked again and they have a CTMH 'Lake Life' paper & sticker kit that looks interesting but a $12.00 purchase isn't going to help out a consultant much, there just isn't enough on there to buy right now so I hope for their sakes they are going to get a lot more scrapbook products in.
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Post by nightnurse on Jun 12, 2024 23:12:53 GMT
Stampin Up used to have a tone on tone 12x12 paper I loved for background on layouts and then they switched to only making it in 6x6. I’m so hoping they bring the 12 back now that they are sort of absorbing the CTMH market
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Post by scrapnnana on Jun 13, 2024 15:03:38 GMT
I don’t think that Creative Memories is as militant as they used to be, but I certainly think that Stampin’ Up would be a better match for most of the CTMH reps that want to continue to provide options for their customers, even if their stamp styles differ significantly.
The CM philosophy may have changed since I last had anything to do with them (long, long ago), but the CM philosophy has always been more about just getting the pictures in the album. Making your pages decorative wasn’t the priority. Stamping on album pages was really frowned upon by CM reps in the past. I don’t know about now.
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Post by Night Owl on Jun 13, 2024 19:49:45 GMT
The CTMH reps turned Stampin Up reps I noticed on You Tube this week are featuring using 6x6 paper or using the Stampin Up card kit on layouts, that's because Stampin Up has very little 12x12 paper.
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Post by Embri on Jun 13, 2024 20:14:45 GMT
I don't follow the various big craft companies much, but Stampin' Up has always felt like "old people's card making stuff" to me. Mostly due to their stamp range.
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Post by cycworker on Jun 14, 2024 5:53:53 GMT
Stampin Up used to have a tone on tone 12x12 paper I loved for background on layouts and then they switched to only making it in 6x6. I’m so hoping they bring the 12 back now that they are sort of absorbing the CTMH market The still have 12x12 paper. I find thin and too generic.
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Post by nightnurse on Jun 14, 2024 11:49:33 GMT
Stampin Up used to have a tone on tone 12x12 paper I loved for background on layouts and then they switched to only making it in 6x6. I’m so hoping they bring the 12 back now that they are sort of absorbing the CTMH market The still have 12x12 paper. I find thin and too generic. They do have 12x13 paper but they used to have packs of it in their color families, and each piece was one color with a little bit of pattern, so like grey plaid or pink stripes. It was subtle. It made great background pages in my albums and I liked that it was thin and didn’t add bulk. Then they started making g those same monochromatic patterns in only 6x6. 6 might be great for cards but not for scrapbooks.
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Post by frugalchick on Jun 14, 2024 12:45:47 GMT
I don't know about anyone else.......but I'm picky about my paper for scrapbooks. After all, we want these to last for as long as possible, I like really nice thick paper/cardstock. I find a lot of CM papers to be too thin for my liking. I've never bought a lot from SU...but might check out their stuff. I truly loved CTMH. Sad to see them go. :/
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Post by scrapnnana on Jun 14, 2024 15:11:02 GMT
I don't follow the various big craft companies much, but Stampin' Up has always felt like "old people's card making stuff" to me. Mostly due to their stamp range. I probably qualify as an “old” crafter. I’m curious as to what you think “old people’s card making stuff” looks like. I’ll have to get out my most recent SU catalog and take a look. I want to see what “old people’s card making stuff” looks like. My style is actually all over the place, depending on my mood and/or who is getting the card. I also have a huge collection of stamps in a very wide variety of styles, since I’ve been collecting stamps for decades. I started stamping back when I was a young mom. It takes a lot to impress me. I’ve been stamping long enough that I have seen techniques and styles come, go, and come back again with a slightly different twist. I will admit that I don’t usually bother with the more recent trends of inking, stenciling, etc., because I don’t enjoy it. I use some of the inking techniques occasionally (usually when required by a CARDtober challenge), but I prefer making cards that move, pop, are 3D, or are just more fun. Inking is not my idea of fun. ……Back to the SU catalog. I got pulled away by a phone call, so I took a few minutes to find one, although it is May 2023 to April 2024. I never ordered anything from it, but I haven’t received a more recent catalog (probably because I haven’t bought anything SU for a long time). If that is an “old person’s card making stuff,” they totally missed the mark. I found nothing appealing. I have far better stamps and supplies in my craft room. If that is your idea of “old people’s stuff,” I should be offended. I’m not, but for the record, older crafters vary just as much as young crafters in what they like. I think that the SU catalog looks like it is trying to appeal to a wide variety of crafters, but in trying to be generic enough to appeal to everyone, probably ends up pleasing very few (if any). Creative Memories isn’t really any better IMO. However, maybe the displaced CTMH consultants going to SU and CM will help bring some creativity to both companies.
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Post by questioning on Jun 14, 2024 15:38:49 GMT
I don’t think that Creative Memories is as militant as they used to be, but I certainly think that Stampin’ Up would be a better match for most of the CTMH reps that want to continue to provide options for their customers, even if their stamp styles differ significantly. The CM philosophy may have changed since I last had anything to do with them (long, long ago), but the CM philosophy has always been more about just getting the pictures in the album. Making your pages decorative wasn’t the priority. Stamping on album pages was really frowned upon by CM reps in the past. I don’t know about now. Militant they were back in the day! Night Owl, I've missed the news. Did CTMH close? Thank you. I could google but Peas telling will be more fun, and the whole story.
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Post by Margie on Jun 14, 2024 16:05:56 GMT
questioning CTMH closed. They originally said 6/30 would be their last day, but I was waiting until June to see if they'd put some of their digitals on clearance, and they actually closed up 5/31. When you go to their website, only the main page exists. This is the 2peas thread regarding their closure.
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Post by questioning on Jun 14, 2024 16:48:50 GMT
questioning CTMH closed. They originally said 6/30 would be their last day, but I was waiting until June to see if they'd put some of their digitals on clearance, and they actually closed up 5/31. When you go to their website, only the main page exists. This is the 2peas thread regarding their closure. I missed that, thank you. I loved their colorways when I was really busy scrapping.
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Post by Night Owl on Jun 14, 2024 16:55:04 GMT
Militant they were back in the day! Some of those CMCs were so militant, I used to lurk on the old CMC board for kicks back in the day to see the drama. lolz CM went bankrupt in 2013 and rebranded as a company called Ahni & Zoe which didn't last long. Now there is a new owner of CM and some of the old militant CMCs must be questioning their life because now they have things like top loading pages and chunky embellishments and their layouts are more about decoration and design elements. I also feel bad for the CTMH reps. I have been tempted to do something like that but I would be my best customer and buy too much for myself and I would never ask anybody to buy from me so that would be a bad idea. Also I have been scrapbooking for so long I don't really *need* more paper or embellishments because I already have so much.
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Post by Embri on Jun 15, 2024 5:37:35 GMT
I don't follow the various big craft companies much, but Stampin' Up has always felt like "old people's card making stuff" to me. Mostly due to their stamp range. I probably qualify as an “old” crafter. I’m curious as to what you think “old people’s card making stuff” looks like. I’ll have to get out my most recent SU catalog and take a look. I want to see what “old people’s card making stuff” looks like. Sure, I'll do my best to describe. When I think of SU! stuff, I think of very detailed stamps, where the stamp itself is doing most of the heavy lifting, if that makes any sense. Not a lot of open negative area to do any shading or patterns/freehand. Often have religious or dated phrases, stuff nobody under 50-60 would say to a friend/family member. "Live Laugh Love" style text with two mixed fonts, often cursive. Lots of quaint things like cottage life, realistic botanicals, or traditional themes for every event. You can tell that a good number of their new products are trying to capture other markets (more lawn-fawn style, or more open-to-colouring, more stylized/freeform) but most of the ones I see are in the thrift shop which formed my opinions are older. Or maybe just less loved!
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Post by scrapnnana on Jun 15, 2024 15:31:26 GMT
Thank you for the description, Embri. I tend to think of “old person stamps” as being particular design styles, rather than stamps that have more open area for shading, creating patterns and/or freehand expression.
If you are basing your opinion on what Stampin’ Up products are to be found in the thrift store, though, the cast offs are more likely to be the less loved, less popular stamps. I doubt that they are a great example of what is available from Stampin’ Up.
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Post by christine58 on Jun 15, 2024 20:45:00 GMT
I refuse to buy anything ever again from Stampin Up. Their owners daughter is involved in a murder for hire of her ex-husband. I have followed the case since shortly after I read about it. That owner has refused to allow her two grandchildren to see The paternal grandparents along with their half siblings.
The daughter and the guy she hired to kill the father of her two children in front of his two very young children are Currently in jail and awaiting trial. As much as I love stamping up paper, it’s way too heavy to scrapbook with and I don’t make very many cards anymore. Just my two cents.
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Post by Embri on Jun 15, 2024 23:02:53 GMT
Thank you for the description, Embri. I tend to think of “old person stamps” as being particular design styles, rather than stamps that have more open area for shading, creating patterns and/or freehand expression. If you are basing your opinion on what Stampin’ Up products are to be found in the thrift store, though, the cast offs are more likely to be the less loved, less popular stamps. I doubt that they are a great example of what is available from Stampin’ Up. Entirely possible - I did look through the current catalogue and >50% of the offerings are what I'd consider "standard" SU! style things - realistic florals, traditional events, mixed font phrases, lots of very safe and standard motifs. Father's day stuff is all planes and tools as an example. But it's certainly possible that thrift store offerings are the tail ends of what others have cut from their collections (or leftovers from garage sales), so the overall aesthetic may be biased.
I would never buy SU! things new because they're far too expensive for what I consider reasonable. Even at ~5$ second hand I think I've bought a total of two sets, because most of the phrases make me eyeroll and I'd never be able to use them; all my grandparents are already dead.
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Post by Shakti on Jun 16, 2024 0:23:41 GMT
I will say that twice I have purchased a Stampin' Up stamp/die bundle because it was an image/a theme I had a plan in my head for, but before I got around to using the SU set, either Altenew or Hero Arts (arguably my two fave brands) released a similarly themed set that seemed more attractive and/or more versatile. So I bought the new set and listed the SU for sale on FB.
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Post by cycworker on Jun 16, 2024 3:35:24 GMT
The still have 12x12 paper. I find thin and too generic. They do have 12x13 paper but they used to have packs of it in their color families, and each piece was one color with a little bit of pattern, so like grey plaid or pink stripes. It was subtle. It made great background pages in my albums and I liked that it was thin and didn’t add bulk. Then they started making g those same monochromatic patterns in only 6x6. 6 might be great for cards but not for scrapbooks. Ah yes!!! I do remember those. My apologies. I will use that paper but I like a slightly heavier base paper. I don't want my pages too be too flimsy in my albums, especially as I tend to not make them as full as some people. I do a lot of double page layouts.
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Post by nightnurse on Jun 16, 2024 17:56:45 GMT
I suspect I’m one of the few who bought them regularly as they stopped making them, but here’s hoping!
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Post by Night Owl on Jun 17, 2024 20:23:43 GMT
I refuse to buy anything ever again from Stampin Up. Their owners daughter is involved in a murder for hire of her ex-husband. I have followed the case since shortly after I read about it. That owner has refused to allow her two grandchildren to see The paternal grandparents along with their half siblings. I forgot about that. YIKES!
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Post by christine58 on Jun 17, 2024 20:40:26 GMT
I refuse to buy anything ever again from Stampin Up. Their owners daughter is involved in a murder for hire of her ex-husband. I have followed the case since shortly after I read about it. That owner has refused to allow her two grandchildren to see The paternal grandparents along with their half siblings. I forgot about that. YIKES! His widow has an Instagram page and that’s where I’ve been following things. I don’t understand it because they were divorced and shared custody of their set of twins. Just bizarre. I feel very badly for his widow
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Post by marg on Jun 25, 2024 19:35:30 GMT
I forgot about that. YIKES! His widow has an Instagram page and that’s where I’ve been following things. I don’t understand it because they were divorced and shared custody of their set of twins. Just bizarre. I feel very badly for his widow I've been following it, too. There's a thread or two on here about it. I think that Shanna married Mario specifically so she could get him to eventually kill Jared. I think she played a realllllly long game. And now it looks like her bff was in on it, too! They used the term "funeral potatoes" as the code word for killing Jared. I had so much sympathy for the Gardners until this custody stuff came up, and apparently they lied to the court to get custody of the twins in the first place, and as more keeps unfolding I am just more and more disgusted by the Gardners. In the bail hearing last month, Shanna's oldest (half)sister testified, and she was so angry and uncooperative with the prosecution - I understand not wanting to help sink her sister, but it was so off-putting and clear that she doesn't give a flying f* that her sister allegedly killed her ex-husband. It's all unbelievably sad.
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