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Post by crazy4scraps on Jun 15, 2024 3:53:14 GMT
The not qualifying for unemployment benefits is the red flag. He either quit and is lying to her or he has done something really bad and is lying to her. I'm not sure what all keeps you from getting unemployment benefits. However, it is their marriage and their mess. Be a supportive but not a nosy friend. This. We had to fire two employees at different times for different reasons. One was watching p0rn on a company computer that was in an area visible to customers during business hours and another was coming in hours late and falsifying their time card (time theft) on days when DH wasn’t working. Even though we had plenty of documentation, to our astonishment both of these people were able to collect unemployment. |
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Post by tracylynn on Jun 15, 2024 3:58:12 GMT
My guess is he's a liar, liar.
We are instructed to not give details when we let someone go, but there is still HR paperwork. And HR is in the meeting with us and everything is well documented.
Even if fired they are still eligible for Cobra coverage (unless he was fired for gross misconduct).
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Post by mom on Jun 15, 2024 4:10:57 GMT
That whole thing is fishy... No HR paperwork? Unemployment benefits denied after being there for 20 years? Co-workers ghosting him?
My immediate thought is that he knows exactly why he was fired and he's certainly not going to explain the sordid thing to his wife. I could absolutely be wrong though and hope I am, for her sake. This screams misconduct to me. He knows why and what happened. If he doesn't, unemployment can tell him why he doesn't qualify. |
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Post by hop2 on Jun 15, 2024 10:50:20 GMT
There are very few reasons to be denied unemployment.
1 you weren’t working long enough to collect it.
2 you weren’t paying it ( independant contractor )
3 you were fired with cause.
It can take longer to fire a person for cause because they are building a case & documenting things. It takes no time to lay someone off, no reason needs to be given.
If he was fired for cause then he definitely knows why he was fired, he just isn’t telling her. If he was fired for cause there’s plenty of documentation if the state denied unemployment for cause.
No idea if he’s cheating or not but he isn’t being truthful with his wife.
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Post by koontz on Jun 15, 2024 14:27:25 GMT
Hm….i am not familiar with US law, but this sounds like there is more to the story.
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Post by Peamac on Jun 15, 2024 16:51:55 GMT
The not qualifying for unemployment benefits is the red flag. He either quit and is lying to her or he has done something really bad and is lying to her. I'm not sure what all keeps you from getting unemployment benefits. However, it is their marriage and their mess. Be a supportive but not a nosy friend. I agree with lisae- I think he quit (for whatever reason) and is lying to his wife about getting fired/coworkers/collecting unemployment. If he was fired from a big company that's known internationally, they're going to have huge HR and legal departments to make sure a firing is done correctly. Honestly, being fired via text and voicemail sounds pretty sus- the company would want a written record of their notifying him, so an email would make more sense. Firing someone in an at-will state is one thing, but it has to be done correctly. This isn't a mom-and-pop business with a few people on staff and a lawyer they call only as needed. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jun 15, 2024 18:19:17 GMT
What made you think he was having an affair? One idea I had was that he was having an affair with a coworker and they were both fired. But who really knows. I would guess that there is a reason that he isn’t disclosing.
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Post by Rhondito on Jun 15, 2024 18:55:25 GMT
He knows exactly why he was fired and the wife is extremely naive.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jun 15, 2024 19:14:26 GMT
Could he have been embezzling money?
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Post by CarolinaGirl71 on Jun 15, 2024 19:30:21 GMT
He knows why he was fired. Also, the company could have been investigating him for a long time and maybe he did't know, or if he did know, he didn't tell his wife about it.
I'd stay out of it if you value the friendship.
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Post by tracylynn on Jun 15, 2024 22:42:16 GMT
Could he have been embezzling money? If it was that they're would have been legal issues I would assume. Most companies aren't going to let that go with only firing a person. |
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Post by melanell on Jun 15, 2024 23:35:56 GMT
While some parts of his story could be explained, I feel like when you take all of them into account, something sounds really "off".
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Post by questioning on Jun 18, 2024 18:46:53 GMT
Could he have been embezzling money? I guess, you never really know from outside? I would think she would be aware if he was facing larger legal issues. I know a small company that didn't want their management reputation to be tainted by a scandal, they let the employee go and kept it mum no legal charges. Sadly this guy went on to steal much more from his next employer, and the owners were angry they weren't warned. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jun 18, 2024 18:49:19 GMT
Could he have been embezzling money? If it was that they're would have been legal issues I would assume. Most companies aren't going to let that go with only firing a person. I know someone local who has apparently stolen money several times while working around various car dealerships. He has also stolen money from individuals and is shady all around. But never seems to have any legal recourse from anyone. |
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Post by questioning on Jun 18, 2024 18:59:56 GMT
She is very close to her father; he is in his early 70's and only retired for a few years. He was successful in business, I think he'd be on top to question if anything gets too fishy. Or at least I hope so.
He told her he has reapplied or is appealing for unemployment benefits. I don't recall the word used.
Thank you for replying, you Peas let me get it out of my thoughts. It's helpful to have this place to air questions, especially ones like this.
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Post by Anita on Jun 18, 2024 19:23:46 GMT
That does sound fishy. However, a friend of mine was let go after 15 years and it was not for cause. The company he worked for got a new president who decided my friend made far too much money. It didn't matter that friend made the company tens of millions...literally. More than anyone else. The new guy just saw his income and that was it. So, out of the blue one day, my friend goes in to work to find someone standing there to retrieve his computer and office keys. I'm not sure if he ever filed for unemployment, but he was definitely shunned by everyone in his company and is still struggling to find work a year or so later. Ageism is a huge factor, and he is now struggling pretty hard with depression.
All that to say, you never know, but there are parts to that story, when all put together, that just don't add up.
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Post by PaperAngel on Jun 18, 2024 19:28:20 GMT
An acquaintance's husband was fired, after 20 years with the company. It's a large well-known business, does a lot of national and international sport-related sponsorships. It's so large I assumed it was public, however it is privately owned. He travelled and was out of town for weeks at a time. There were a few times when she repeated things he said that lit cheating spouse triggers in my head. Mostly due to situations shared on here... He returned from a trip in the spring and was fired, via text and then voice mail. No discussion, and according to her no chance to learn why. No HR paperwork explaining it, no insight from bosses or coworkers. She is certain he has been wronged and is angry his long time coworkers ghost him. This week he was denied state unemployment benefits. It's not my place, but if I was her I'd suspect my husband wasn't be forthcoming. His wife adores him, and is a naive in her belief her family does no wrong. ... I suspect your acquaintance knows exactly the reason her spouse is no longer employed (& it may be as simple as downsizing or eliminating an entire department) but is telling a narrative to others that paints the company at fault & her husband as a victim to both continue the facade that "her family does no wrong" & gain attention/sympathy/donations/whatever her goal. |
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Jun 19, 2024 12:03:16 GMT
In my own opinion he knows why he was fired and it was for something incontestable. He is lying to his wife.
I had a co-worker who was drinking a lot and was confronted by the employer. She did not loose her job because she told them she is an addict and wants help. She was put on the disability plan. She went to meetings, saw a therapist and followed a treatment plan. She was still getting a paycheque because she was on disability which covered her salary. She left the house to go to work every shift and spent her time away at a holiday trailer they owned on a lake lot that her husband never used. He had no idea she was not going to work. She lied to him for months. If someone really wants to hide something and someone else really wants to believe them it can happen. This is what I think as well. |
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