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Post by katlady on Aug 2, 2024 22:33:14 GMT
My understanding is that the Algerian boxer is likely intersex, not transgender. Many times babies are assigned female gender sf birth but they can have male chromosomes, hormones and genitalia (often internally rather than externally) that may not be identified until a situation like this where they are tested for some reason or other. I have read that she does not have male genitalia. She has a vagina. One article said that if she had been born in America, she would have probably been given drugs to lower her amount of testosterone. |
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Post by jackietex on Aug 3, 2024 3:02:10 GMT
This was a political situation that took advantage of the ignorance of, and hate for members of the LGTBQ community. Algeria has not supported Russian in it's war against Ukraine, and Russia wants to cause chaos for them.
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Post by dawnnikol on Aug 3, 2024 10:33:35 GMT
Here's the Wiki about her: Imane Khelif.. She's been competing for years and doesn't even have an amazing record. She was tested by the IBA (Russian bought and paid for), receives silver medal at World Championships in 2022. In 2023, she beats a Russian boxer, all of a sudden, she's tested again and based on results from that and the results in 2022, she's ineligible. The IBA never say what kind of test "due to privacy", just that it wasn't a testosterone test. BS. We watched Sha'Carri run last night and WOW. |
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Post by gillyp on Aug 3, 2024 12:31:24 GMT
Apparently the Italian boxer wants to apologise and has said that she accepts the IOC’s decision regarding the Algerian woman. I wonder how that’ll go down. There are rumblings online now that the Italian did the same a while ago in a fight with a Turkish boxer. |
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Post by gar on Aug 3, 2024 12:34:08 GMT
Apparently the Italian boxer wants to apologise and has said that she accepts the IOC’s decision regarding the Algerian woman. I wonder how that’ll go down. There are rumblings online now that the Italian did the same a while ago in a fight with a Turkish boxer. Oh that’s not good! Maybe boxing isn’t the best sport for her. |
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Post by scraplette on Aug 3, 2024 12:52:07 GMT
Apparently the Italian boxer wants to apologise and has said that she accepts the IOC’s decision regarding the Algerian woman. I wonder how that’ll go down. There are rumblings online now that the Italian did the same a while ago in a fight with a Turkish boxer. That changes the narrative! The Italian boxer has also said avoiding a post-match handshake was anger with herself and dashed Olympic dreams, she might hug her if she saw her now. sueg thanks for background information. |
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Post by stittsygirl on Aug 3, 2024 16:35:16 GMT
I got into a heated Facebook exchange yesterday after a coworker, who I believed to be an ally, reposted an inflammatory text about the Olympic female boxers being forced into the ring with a MAN! I tried to set the record straight with the information about Khelif that was known, but they continued to double-down, stating they were trying to protect girl and women athletes. Oh really? I couldn’t make them understand how this kind of transphobic witch hunt actually hurts girls and women, particularly those who don’t present as traditional females and may appear more masculine for whatever reason.
There were two cases out of my home state of Utah in the past two years, where a teenage female athlete’s gender was questioned. A state school board member actually posted her doubt about one of the athlete’s gender on social media, and the poor girl and her parents faced bullying and harassment. The other young woman had a secret investigation done into her background by the school district, after someone had reported that they believed she was really male. Even if either of these girls had been transgendered they definitely didn’t deserve that kind of treatment.
I’m the mom of a transgender child and protecting those in that community, as well as girls and women in general, is a hill I’ll die on 😡.
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Post by epeanymous on Aug 3, 2024 17:47:02 GMT
I got into a heated Facebook exchange yesterday after a coworker, who I believed to be an ally, reposted an inflammatory text about the Olympic female boxers being forced into the ring with a MAN! I tried to set the record straight with the information about Khelif that was known, but they continued to double-down, stating they were trying to protect girl and women athletes. Oh really? I couldn’t make them understand how this kind of transphobic witch hunt actually hurts girls and women, particularly those who don’t present as traditional females and may appear more masculine for whatever reason. There were two cases out of my home state of Utah in the past two years, where a teenage female athlete’s gender was questioned. A state school board member actually posted her doubt about one of the athlete’s gender on social media, and the poor girl and her parents faced bullying and harassment. The other young woman had a secret investigation done into her background by the school district, after someone had reported that they believed she was really male. Even if either of these girls had been transgendered they definitely didn’t deserve that kind of treatment. I’m the mom of a transgender child and protecting those in that community, as well as girls and women in general, is a hill I’ll die on 😡. I genuinely don't get why people do not see that this is largely about trying to force women to conform to "traditional" feminine presentation in clothing, makeup, body type, behavior, etc. As someone posted upthread, one prominent female Olympian is now getting attacked by transvestigators who have decided that her face isn't pretty enough to be female. Another popular female Olympian who is very feminine in terms of her hair and makeup and is pretty is also getting the transvestigators riled up because her shoulders are broad and she's able to knock people over really easily. There isn't a credible source yet about the Algerian boxer but a lot of folks want to run with the story that she is a man even though the credible sources indicate that she has presented as female since childhood in a country where being trans is impermissible. The investigations of successful female child athletes always upset me. I can't imagine how intrusive that must feel, or how dispiriting it must be to have grown adults looking at you and saying that you don't look enough like a girl. |
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Post by KiwiJo on Aug 3, 2024 21:22:33 GMT
I got into a heated Facebook exchange yesterday after a coworker, who I believed to be an ally, reposted an inflammatory text about the Olympic female boxers being forced into the ring with a MAN! I tried to set the record straight with the information about Khelif that was known, but they continued to double-down, stating they were trying to protect girl and women athletes. Oh really? I couldn’t make them understand how this kind of transphobic witch hunt actually hurts girls and women, particularly those who don’t present as traditional females and may appear more masculine for whatever reason. There were two cases out of my home state of Utah in the past two years, where a teenage female athlete’s gender was questioned. A state school board member actually posted her doubt about one of the athlete’s gender on social media, and the poor girl and her parents faced bullying and harassment. The other young woman had a secret investigation done into her background by the school district, after someone had reported that they believed she was really male. Even if either of these girls had been transgendered they definitely didn’t deserve that kind of treatment. I’m the mom of a transgender child and protecting those in that community, as well as girls and women in general, is a hill I’ll die on 😡. I genuinely don't get why people do not see that this is largely about trying to force women to conform to "traditional" feminine presentation in clothing, makeup, body type, behavior, etc. As someone posted upthread, one prominent female Olympian is now getting attacked by transvestigators who have decided that her face isn't pretty enough to be female. Another popular female Olympian who is very feminine in terms of her hair and makeup and is pretty is also getting the transvestigators riled up because her shoulders are broad and she's able to knock people over really easily. There isn't a credible source yet about the Algerian boxer but a lot of folks want to run with the story that she is a man even though the credible sources indicate that she has presented as female since childhood in a country where being trans is impermissible. The investigations of successful female child athletes always upset me. I can't imagine how intrusive that must feel, or how dispiriting it must be to have grown adults looking at you and saying that you don't look enough like a girl. I get what you’re saying, and would agree with you in most circumstances, but the issue in this particular instance is the difference in strength between contestants, which has a real risk of becoming dangerous. I don’t have enough medical knowledge to come up with a fair answer, and I wouldn’t be surprised if there is no fair answer. It could be argued that there should be a maximum level of testosterone, regardless of how or why it is there. It could also be argued that would be totally unfair to women who have high levels naturally, and who have not artificially enhanced their bodies in any way. There is also the fairness (and safety) for the athlete’s competitors to be considered as well. There has to be rules, but they can be very unfair to some. |
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Post by melanell on Aug 3, 2024 22:07:58 GMT
I got into a heated Facebook exchange yesterday after a coworker, who I believed to be an ally, reposted an inflammatory text about the Olympic female boxers being forced into the ring with a MAN! I tried to set the record straight with the information about Khelif that was known, but they continued to double-down, stating they were trying to protect girl and women athletes. Oh really? I couldn’t make them understand how this kind of transphobic witch hunt actually hurts girls and women, particularly those who don’t present as traditional females and may appear more masculine for whatever reason. There were two cases out of my home state of Utah in the past two years, where a teenage female athlete’s gender was questioned. A state school board member actually posted her doubt about one of the athlete’s gender on social media, and the poor girl and her parents faced bullying and harassment. The other young woman had a secret investigation done into her background by the school district, after someone had reported that they believed she was really male. Even if either of these girls had been transgendered they definitely didn’t deserve that kind of treatment. I’m the mom of a transgender child and protecting those in that community, as well as girls and women in general, is a hill I’ll die on 😡. I genuinely don't get why people do not see that this is largely about trying to force women to conform to "traditional" feminine presentation in clothing, makeup, body type, behavior, etc. As someone posted upthread, one prominent female Olympian is now getting attacked by transvestigators who have decided that her face isn't pretty enough to be female. Another popular female Olympian who is very feminine in terms of her hair and makeup and is pretty is also getting the transvestigators riled up because her shoulders are broad and she's able to knock people over really easily. There isn't a credible source yet about the Algerian boxer but a lot of folks want to run with the story that she is a man even though the credible sources indicate that she has presented as female since childhood in a country where being trans is impermissible. The investigations of successful female child athletes always upset me. I can't imagine how intrusive that must feel, or how dispiriting it must be to have grown adults looking at you and saying that you don't look enough like a girl.While also basically saying "Girls can't possibly be this good.", which is dispiriting to all female athletes. If you're extremely successful then you must actually be a boy. |
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Post by OntarioScrapper on Aug 7, 2024 19:31:03 GMT
Imane Khelif's Dad has publicly spoken out in defense of his daughter. Has provided a document to show she is female. I find this very disheartening that an organizaton (IBA) which is being investigated because of it's shady connection to Russian, can turn someone's life into turmoil. Some of the comments I saw "I can just tell by (their) appearance" really shows how much a large number of people use stereotyping for gender.
She's on her way to win a Gold Medal or at least a Silver Medal. I'm cheering for her even though I don't watch boxing (and seriously who expects to not get punched in boxing?!?! even I know that!).
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Post by sabrinae on Aug 7, 2024 20:00:17 GMT
I hate that people keep saying she is transgender. She is intersex. Ugh. There’s not even any evidence that she’s intersex from what I’ve read. IBA won’t produce whatever test they did or even explain it. They are also Russian controlled and conveniently found it to be a problem only after she had beaten a Russian boxer. It’s never been an issue for the many years she’s competed I til she started to win recently. She even boxed in Tokyo. |
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