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Post by peabay on Aug 25, 2024 14:46:09 GMT
....^^^ ... Because they add an 'r' to many words ending in ah... I say Deedrah.. As do people without Boston accents too. My poor mother in law - South Boston Irish, a true Southie - used to try so hard to say my name correctly - she'd be like "Deerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr-dra". It took everything in her  |
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Post by lainey on Aug 25, 2024 15:27:59 GMT
Well darn. I’m mispronouncing a lot of words. Maybe even my own. Yikes. What, in general, is the correct pronunciation of words/names that end in “shire”? Such as these counties in England: Hampshire Cheshire Lancashire Berkshire Derbyshire Nottinghamshire Bedfordshire My last name (my DH’s) ends in “shire”. It’s been a long time bone of contention within the family of how to correctly pronounce our last name. I'm from Yorkshire and it's pronounced York-sher. |
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Post by gillyp on Aug 25, 2024 15:32:41 GMT
The "R"s are silent  My dh and his oldest friend grew up in MA with thick Boston/Providence accents (slight difference) and the friend is married to a girl named "Anita" and she always jokes that the "r" they lose when saying my name "Deirdre" (which becomes "Deah-dra") ends up in hers (which becomes "Anit-er") Deirdre here is Deah-dree.  |
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Post by gillyp on Aug 25, 2024 15:42:24 GMT
Well darn. I’m mispronouncing a lot of words. Maybe even my own. Yikes. What, in general, is the correct pronunciation of words/names that end in “shire”? Such as these counties in England: Hampshire Cheshire Lancashire Berkshire Derbyshire Nottinghamshire Bedfordshire My last name (my DH’s) ends in “shire”. It’s been a long time bone of contention within the family of how to correctly pronounce our last name. I'm from Yorkshire and it's pronounced York-sher. And I'm from Cheshire and it's pronounced Chesh-ah. or Chesh-er I guess. Both sound the same to me but the final r is faintly said. Basically, Restless Spirit, Shire as the ending of a word is sher or shah and the only time it's said as shire is as a single word. Like "Down in the Shires". So my friend lives in Oxfordshire, pronounced Oxford-sher and I would say to her "What's life like down in the Shires today?" |
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Post by peabay on Aug 25, 2024 15:47:26 GMT
My dh and his oldest friend grew up in MA with thick Boston/Providence accents (slight difference) and the friend is married to a girl named "Anita" and she always jokes that the "r" they lose when saying my name "Deirdre" (which becomes "Deah-dra") ends up in hers (which becomes "Anit-er") Deirdre here is Deah-dree. I will take that from the Irish or Australia or a UK country. But in the US - give me my "r" |
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Post by Restless Spirit on Aug 25, 2024 17:14:10 GMT
I'm from Yorkshire and it's pronounced York-sher. And I'm from Cheshire and it's pronounced Chesh-ah. or Chesh-er I guess. Both sound the same to me but the final r is faintly said. Basically, Restless Spirit, Shire as the ending of a word is sher or shah and the only time it's said as shire is as a single word. Like "Down in the Shires". So my friend lives in Oxfordshire, pronounced Oxford-sher and I would say to her "What's life like down in the Shires today?" Without totally doxing myself, my last name is on that list. Most of us (and I should say we are all in the US) say shy-er. Very American-sized, although his family ancestry is very much from England. To be honest, it Doesn’t seem to matter one wit how we pronounce it, we have to spell it after we say it or it’s badly misspelled. Ha. |
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Post by melanell on Aug 25, 2024 19:13:10 GMT
Well darn. I’m mispronouncing a lot of words. Maybe even my own. Yikes. What, in general, is the correct pronunciation of words/names that end in “shire”? Such as these counties in England: Hampshire Cheshire Lancashire Berkshire Derbyshire Nottinghamshire Bedfordshire My last name (my DH’s) ends in “shire”. It’s been a long time bone of contention within the family of how to correctly pronounce our last name. I'm not in England, so I have no real say, but I pronounce all of those places with "sure" as the ending. Only slightly related, as seeing Lancashire reminded me, but there is a Lancaster in England, and I do know that they pronounce it differently from how we pronounce the Lancaster that's in PA, which is Lan-KISSter, with the final 2 syllables being pronounced together quickly, no drawn out LAN-CAS-TER here.  |
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Post by melanell on Aug 25, 2024 19:17:14 GMT
The "R"s are silent My dh and his oldest friend grew up in MA with thick Boston/Providence accents (slight difference) and the friend is married to a girl named "Anita" and she always jokes that the "r" they lose when saying my name "Deirdre" (which becomes "Deah-dra") ends up in hers (which becomes "Anit-er") Regional pronunciations that add letters always intrigue me. More so than the dropping of letters or changing of vowel sounds. My mother in law does the warsh for instance. And I think to myself "W-A-S-H: Where is the "R" in that word??"  |
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Post by peabay on Aug 25, 2024 19:25:46 GMT
My dh and his oldest friend grew up in MA with thick Boston/Providence accents (slight difference) and the friend is married to a girl named "Anita" and she always jokes that the "r" they lose when saying my name "Deirdre" (which becomes "Deah-dra") ends up in hers (which becomes "Anit-er") Regional pronunciations that add letters always intrigue me. More so than the dropping of letters or changing of vowel sounds. My mother in law does the warsh for instance. And I think to myself "W-A-S-H: Where is the "R" in that word??" My grandmother and her sisters all said "warsh." |
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Post by Tearisci on Aug 25, 2024 19:34:39 GMT
Regional pronunciations that add letters always intrigue me. More so than the dropping of letters or changing of vowel sounds. My mother in law does the warsh for instance. And I think to myself "W-A-S-H: Where is the "R" in that word??" My grandmother and her sisters all said "warsh." My exFIL used to say Warshington and it drove us mad. There is no r! |
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Post by gillyp on Aug 25, 2024 21:05:50 GMT
Well darn. I’m mispronouncing a lot of words. Maybe even my own. Yikes. What, in general, is the correct pronunciation of words/names that end in “shire”? Such as these counties in England: Hampshire Cheshire Lancashire Berkshire Derbyshire Nottinghamshire Bedfordshire My last name (my DH’s) ends in “shire”. It’s been a long time bone of contention within the family of how to correctly pronounce our last name. I'm not in England, so I have no real say, but I pronounce all of those places with "sure" as the ending. Only slightly related, as seeing Lancashire reminded me, but there is a Lancaster in England, and I do know that they pronounce it differently from how we pronounce the Lancaster that's in PA, which is Lan-KISSter, with the final 2 syllables being pronounced together quickly, no drawn out LAN-CAS-TER here. Lancaster is the County town of Lancashire. I say it both the ways you describe, depending on where it comes in a conversation but I can’t pin point what that is. I think if I’m giving someone details of an itinerary I say it the slow way and if someone is talking to me about it, “where was that road sign for” for example, I say it the KISS way. |
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Post by gillyp on Aug 25, 2024 21:20:20 GMT
These are pronounced Bark-sher, not Burk-sher, and Dar-bee-sher not Der-bee-sher if anyone was wondering. |
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Post by melanell on Aug 25, 2024 21:27:34 GMT
I'm not in England, so I have no real say, but I pronounce all of those places with "sure" as the ending. Only slightly related, as seeing Lancashire reminded me, but there is a Lancaster in England, and I do know that they pronounce it differently from how we pronounce the Lancaster that's in PA, which is Lan-KISSter, with the final 2 syllables being pronounced together quickly, no drawn out LAN-CAS-TER here. Lancaster is the County town of Lancashire. I say it both the ways you describe, depending on where it comes in a conversation but I can’t pin point what that is. I think if I’m giving someone details of an itinerary I say it the slow way and if someone is talking to me about it, “where was that road sign for” for example, I say it the KISS way. I get that. I find there are several words that work that way for me--I pronounce them differently depending on the usage. "Route", "pecan", "creek" are three that immediately come to mind. I'll have to think if there are any place names to include on my list.  |
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Post by gillyp on Aug 25, 2024 21:50:58 GMT
Lancaster is the County town of Lancashire. I say it both the ways you describe, depending on where it comes in a conversation but I can’t pin point what that is. I think if I’m giving someone details of an itinerary I say it the slow way and if someone is talking to me about it, “where was that road sign for” for example, I say it the KISS way. I get that. I find there are several words that work that way for me--I pronounce them differently depending on the usage. "Route", "pecan", "creek" are three that immediately come to mind. I'll have to think if there are any place names to include on my list. I understand route can be root (the way somewhere) or rowt (to defeat someone) but you'll have to enlighten me on pecan and creek please! Pea-can is a nut and I can't think of another way to say it. Creek, the small waterway is said the same as creak, to need oiling. I can't think of a different way to say them.  |
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Post by malibou on Aug 26, 2024 0:50:34 GMT
I get that. I find there are several words that work that way for me--I pronounce them differently depending on the usage. "Route", "pecan", "creek" are three that immediately come to mind. I'll have to think if there are any place names to include on my list. I understand route can be root (the way somewhere) or rowt (to defeat someone) but you'll have to enlighten me on pecan and creek please! Pea-can is a nut and I can't think of another way to say it. Creek, the small waterway is said the same as creak, to need oiling. I can't think of a different way to say them. Oh yes, there are other ways! Pecan is often pronounced pea•can, puh•cawn, pea•cawn. And the other pronunciation for creek that I have heard is crick. |
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Post by AussieMeg on Aug 26, 2024 1:01:43 GMT
Deirdre here is Deah-dree. Oh how silly of me.... I said in an earlier post that it would be pronounced Deah-druh here, but of course it would be Deah-dree as you said! Pecan is pronounced PEE-can here. I've only ever heard Americans pronounce is pe-CAHN. I quite like the US pronunciation! I always pronounce 'route' as rowt not root, because in Australia, 'root' is slang for having sex. It's bad enough when we hear Americans talking about "rooting for their team" and Aussies are like:  Okaaaaaay......  |
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Post by melanell on Aug 26, 2024 1:11:13 GMT
I get that. I find there are several words that work that way for me--I pronounce them differently depending on the usage. "Route", "pecan", "creek" are three that immediately come to mind. I'll have to think if there are any place names to include on my list. I understand route can be root (the way somewhere) or rowt (to defeat someone) but you'll have to enlighten me on pecan and creek please! Pea-can is a nut and I can't think of another way to say it. Creek, the small waterway is said the same as creak, to need oiling. I can't think of a different way to say them.  For instance, if I'm talking about Route 66 (or any other named route) I will say "root". But if I am going to plan my route for garage sales this coming weekend, then I say ROWt (ROW, as in have an argument). If I'm talking about eating a handful of pecans, I say puh-cahns, but if I'm talking about pie, then it is always pea-can. If I'm talking about a particular named stream, I say crEEk. (Hemlock crEEk runs through Bloomsburg.) But if I'm talking about the running water in my backyard, it's a "crick". (The kids are out playing in the crick.) |
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Post by gillyp on Aug 26, 2024 9:58:27 GMT
Deirdre here is Deah-dree. Oh how silly of me.... I said in an earlier post that it would be pronounced Deah-druh here, but of course it would be Deah-dree as you said! Pecan is pronounced PEE-can here. I've only ever heard Americans pronounce is pe-CAHN. I quite like the US pronunciation! I always pronounce 'route' as rowt not root, because in Australia, 'root' is slang for having sex. It's bad enough when we hear Americans talking about "rooting for their team" and Aussies are like: Okaaaaaay...... Nearly spat my tea out at this! We also say rooting around as in what are you rooting around for? Meaning what are you looking for. |
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Post by gillyp on Aug 26, 2024 9:59:54 GMT
I understand route can be root (the way somewhere) or rowt (to defeat someone) but you'll have to enlighten me on pecan and creek please! Pea-can is a nut and I can't think of another way to say it. Creek, the small waterway is said the same as creak, to need oiling. I can't think of a different way to say them. Oh yes, there are other ways! Pecan is often pronounced pea•can, puh•cawn, pea•cawn. And the other pronunciation for creek that I have heard is crick. I can't even get my mouth to say this! |
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Post by gillyp on Aug 26, 2024 10:06:00 GMT
I understand route can be root (the way somewhere) or rowt (to defeat someone) but you'll have to enlighten me on pecan and creek please! Pea-can is a nut and I can't think of another way to say it. Creek, the small waterway is said the same as creak, to need oiling. I can't think of a different way to say them. If I'm talking about a particular named stream, I say crEEk. (Hemlock crEEk runs through Bloomsburg.) But if I'm talking about the running water in my backyard, it's a "crick". (The kids are out playing in the crick.) I suppose that's similar to Lan-cast-ah opposed to Lan-kiss-ter. Creek isn't a word I've heard used here, it's definitely an American word in my world. We would say stream, burn (Scottish term). If I said crick, I'd be meaning I'd got a sharp pain in my neck or back - I've got a crick in my neck. |
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Post by AussieMeg on Aug 26, 2024 10:42:06 GMT
If I'm talking about a particular named stream, I say crEEk. (Hemlock crEEk runs through Bloomsburg.) But if I'm talking about the running water in my backyard, it's a "crick". (The kids are out playing in the crick.) I suppose that's similar to Lan-cast-ah opposed to Lan-kiss-ter. Creek isn't a word I've heard used here, it's definitely an American word in my world. We would say stream, burn (Scottish term). If I said crick, I'd be meaning I'd got a sharp pain in my neck or back - I've got a crick in my neck. Creek is definitely used here a lot. We used to walk home from school along the creek. But it would never be pronounced "crick". |
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Post by artbabe on Aug 26, 2024 10:59:58 GMT
When I was in elementary school I was shocked that what I called a "crick" was spelled creek. As an adult I use the "creak" pronunciation.
I didn't hear the pee-can pronunciation until I was an adult. It was puh-cawn my whole life.
My grandpa was a farmer. He always said he grew punkins and squarsh. I definitely don't say that.
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Okaaaaaay...... 
