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Post by jeremysgirl on Sept 23, 2024 16:13:35 GMT
Couple of things lately that really brought the difference between me and a friend of mine to my attention. I am a process person. I like to play. Play is the only way that things seem interesting to me and keep me creating/achieving anything. I will have a loose outline of something or maybe even a picture of what the end product may look like, but I am completely unconcerned if whatever I'm working on just doesn't not turn out the way it's supposed to or if I never even finish anything. I'm quilting now and it's relatively new and I have to make a huge screw up to seam rip anything because the flaws just don't bother me enough to do so. I'm OK with crooked seams or in crochet, I rarely frog because I am just there to enjoy the making. If it turns out beautiful, even better, but that's totally not my goal. It's probably also why I'm OK with starting a new project when I already have ten in the making. This is why I'm struggling so hard with my camper quilt. Because I have such a high stake in it coming out nice and that feels like pressure to me.
Speaking of goal setting, I'm also this way in my personal life too. Like weight loss. I changed my eating habits. I'm continuing to tweak them. But I don't have any end goal in mind. And it doesn't disappoint me when I step on the scale after a week and two pounds hasn't dropped. I just keep eating the way I'm comfortable with and when my weight settles, it settles where I feel like it wants to be and I'll most likely be good with it. I was like this when I ran. I would just run until I felt like quitting and then walked home. I even got rid of my Fitbit because I felt like that was a lot of pressure I didn't want.
I am a process person and it really stresses me out to focus on a product/end goal. Probably a full 80% of the time, I end up with something that I'm proud of, but it just doesn't hurt very much when something turns out poorly for me. With that said, I probably don't even accomplish near what product people probably do and they probably are able to do it in a straight line from Point A to Point B much more efficiently than I am.
What say you? Process or product person?
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Post by katlady on Sept 23, 2024 16:20:03 GMT
Probably more process, but still some product. I enjoy doing art, and love the process. I get immersed in the process and lose track of time. Yet, I am disappointed when the end product is not what I envisioned. On the opposite side, I am thrilled with the finished product when it does come out like I wanted it too. Some times I won’t start something because I don’t think it will come out nice.
ETA - I picked 50/50, but it is more like 60/40 or 70/30.
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Post by pantsonfire on Sept 23, 2024 16:32:41 GMT
Totally 50/50. I have always been that way but going through therapies with ds and dd, I really became both. They would have targeted goals in OT, OT, SLP, S.OT, Play Therapy, FloorTime, etc.
I helped create goals, monitored their performance, identified areas of need and areas of growth, BUT also did research, brainstormed with their therapists and other ASD+ parents in my small group of friends, and developed schedules with short term and long term goals that was flexible to each of my kids and their sensory needs at the time.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Sept 23, 2024 16:33:57 GMT
Some times I won’t start something because I don’t think it will come out nice. Sometimes I start projects that I *know* won't come out nice. Because there's something involved with it I want to learn. |
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Post by RedSquirrelUK on Sept 23, 2024 16:37:35 GMT
Another for the half and half, for stuff I WANT to do. 50% is the deadline and intention. That's what and when makes me do things. 50% is the fun of the doing. That's the how. I've frogged a cardigan that I started during Covid and which has sat in the naughty corner since then. I'm using the yarn to make a new waistcoat. I've undone and redone parts several times. The only deadline is so that I can wear it this winter while it's cold. No pressure, but I'm steaming away at it!
For the stuff I HAVE to do but isn't fun, the product is more important than the process. For example, I had 17 documents that had to be read and understood before tomorrow night's parish church council meeting. I was trying to read some last week and weekend but kept getting distracted by much more fun things. I was off today and DH was in work, so I had to do it before he got home and before I went to work tomorrow then went straight to the meeting. Not fun, but the deadline was my kicker.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Sept 23, 2024 16:42:36 GMT
For the stuff I HAVE to do but isn't fun, the product is more important than the process. Honestly, I purposely left out work. Because I have goals, deadlines, etc. and I can't imagine anyone having the kind of flexibility at work that they have in their private life. |
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Post by katlady on Sept 23, 2024 16:47:05 GMT
Some times I won’t start something because I don’t think it will come out nice. Sometimes I start projects that I *know* won't come out nice. Because there's something involved with it I want to learn. That is what holds me back when making art. I know the saying about you need to make a lot of ugly art before you make nice art, but I want the nice art right away. It is part of the perfectionist in me. It is why I procrastinate. It is something I need to get over and just go ahead and make lots of "ugly" art. |
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Post by 3boysnme on Sept 23, 2024 16:47:13 GMT
Although I've sold some crocheted hats and scarves, I really only make things to give to someone else. And because of that, I will definitely frog the whole thing if it's not turning out the way I want. When I give someone something, I want it to be as close to perfect as I can make it.
I haven't made anything lately, due to various aches and pains I have. My mind is always ticking though. I see something and wonder if I can replicate it. Now that the weather is going to start getting cool again, I'm thinking about making a garment just for myself. With matching hat and scarf. Maybe mittens. I may not care as much if it doesn't turn out the way I am imagining it. And I *think* I would be okay with that since it's for me.
Other than that, I'm definitely more about the product.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Sept 23, 2024 17:20:12 GMT
It is part of the perfectionist in me. It is why I procrastinate. It is something I need to get over and just go ahead and make lots of "ugly" art. Yes, please make ugly art and share it on the craft thread. When I give someone something, I want it to be as close to perfect as I can make it. I get this. Totally. I give away a lot of things I make, but most of the time, it is a decision made after I've already made something. |
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Post by wordyphotogbabe on Sept 23, 2024 17:51:09 GMT
It's funny because I actually don't like process (unless it's emotional processing/discussion/"deep" questions/unpacking trauma) AT ALL but my literal job is keeping track of everyone else's process. I digitally scrap because I've never wanted to take the time to learn how to do paper scrapping techniques + I have terrible eye-hand coordination and fine motor skills. I cook but I never make anything from scratch or bake because then I have to use exact measurements and buy special ingredients when a box or bag of what I need that I can just doctor up already exists. I could give a million examples of this. It is something I'm working on, though, as I think it stems from perfectionism and people-pleasing which is a response to feeling like I need to be efficient and productive in order to be considered worthy & good enough and that playing or having fun is not "real" work or as good as other things that have a tangible result or product.
My husband LOVES process and works out his possibly ADHD energy with his body by taking 3 hours to make pizza from scratch, mowing our lawn with a pushmower, and things like that + he's always had a job where he had to walk around and use his body to complete his work tasks. It doesn't particularly bother him if the end result changes or is not what he envisioned as long as he gave it his best and felt productive doing it.
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Post by melanell on Sept 23, 2024 17:56:54 GMT
Process. I love the planning and brainstorming and setting up and assembling and doing of things.  And if the end result turns out differently than expected, well, really, with me, that sort of is to be expected.  |
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Post by melanell on Sept 23, 2024 18:01:14 GMT
I will add that this quality about me is why I could never do something where I was making something to order for someone else. Having to meet someone else's expectations when making or doing something would be very stressful for me.
I'm more of a make it, and if someone else likes it, great, kind of person. There have been times in the past when I sold stuff at tables or craft shows of other people's, and they would mention cards in case anyone wanted to order anything and my answer was always "NOPE. This is for fun. I'm not ruining it with orders."
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Post by RedSquirrelUK on Sept 23, 2024 18:07:05 GMT
For the stuff I HAVE to do but isn't fun, the product is more important than the process. Honestly, I purposely left out work. Because I have goals, deadlines, etc. and I can't imagine anyone having the kind of flexibility at work that they have in their private life. I wasn't thinking about work either actually. I don't enjoy all the church responsibilities that I volunteer for! |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Sept 23, 2024 18:11:21 GMT
Honestly, I purposely left out work. Because I have goals, deadlines, etc. and I can't imagine anyone having the kind of flexibility at work that they have in their private life. I wasn't thinking about work either actually. I don't enjoy all the church responsibilities that I volunteer for! I'm sure you don't. 😉 I just wanted to make clear that I think a lot of people's approach to work or work like obligations is much different than what they do in their personal life. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Sept 23, 2024 18:59:10 GMT
which is a response to feeling like I need to be efficient and productive in order to be considered worthy & good enough and that playing or having fun is not "real" work or as good as other things that have a tangible result or product. Even though I'm a process person, I still get this sentiment and feel somewhat similar. I do feel like I should be doing something productive/good quality (I don't know if I know the right word) with my time. I do feel terrible when I piss away time. I don't need to complete something, just making progress on something is enough to fulfill my need to be doing something productive with my time. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Sept 23, 2024 19:00:59 GMT
And if the end result turns out differently than expected, well, really, with me, that sort of is to be expected. Same, girl, same.  |
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Post by Zee on Sept 23, 2024 19:17:25 GMT
This resonates since I stayed up until 5AM last night finishing art projects (assemblage art) for a show next weekend.
I am a huge procrastinator (not at work, but at home) and work best under pressure. It's hard to schedule a creative impulse so I get a whim and get to work and try not to stop until it's done.
Unfortunately I seem to have developed a real ADD since menopause, and am all over the place getting ideas and starting one thing and then that leads to another and another and before you know it there are 8 WIP and I'm up all night trying to get them all finished!
But I LOVE being productive and seeing them all lined up, they're beautiful and I can forget how stiff my back was and how I had two tables and half the floor covered in supplies and crap.
I also listened to four episodes of Dateline. Dateline immediately makes me want to start creating 🤣 (it's really just that crime shows are good for listening to and not having to look at)
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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on Sept 23, 2024 19:29:29 GMT
I think I am a mixture.
I enjoy the process, but more often than not.....it is NOT a straight and direct path to the end.
I am more like >> wandering along--changing directions--I've come up with a better idea--let me try this and see what happens, don't like that...start over, etc... during the process.
I always enjoy the process, even if it's a little all over the place. As long I love the end result, that it what matters most.
No matter what it is....scrapbook page, home decor, life in general, etc.... I usually have some sort of plan or idea when I start ....but more often than not >> my plan or idea doesn't go as planned.....so I figure it out as I go.
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Post by 950nancy on Sept 23, 2024 19:51:50 GMT
Mostly product, but depending on the situation (like crafting), I can be both. I am typically an A type personality according to my umm, analness, but when I was tested, I came out right in the middle. We took a test at work years back to see where we fit.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Sept 23, 2024 20:28:51 GMT
I think I may be more process oriented now that I think about it. I am motivated by a finished product and getting to check it off my list, but I enjoy the journey to get there more than the accomplishment most of the time.
I see it in my approach to travel for one thing. I love, love, love, the planning of a trip. All the research and then the choices that must be made - even the packing. My husband jokes that I get as much pleasure out of planning a trip as I do from actually going on it.
There may be a parallel for me in cooking which is definitely a creative outlet for me. I really take pleasure in all the steps of preparing a meal from finding a recipe, purchasing the ingredients, getting everything laid out to prepare it, and all the chopping/folding/whisking/assembling/etc that takes place. Putting on some good tunes and pouring a glass of wine before starting instantly puts me in the mood to enjoy the 'process' of cooking.
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Post by KiwiJo on Sept 23, 2024 20:31:13 GMT
My goodness, this all way more nuanced than I thought.
Before reading other responses in this thread I absolutely described my approach to me hobbies as totally process oriented…….
I do a lot of fine embroidery and knitting but rarely actuall6 make anything.
More times than not I work on my embroidery up to the point that the embroidery is finished, but I don’t then finish the piece off, I have dozens of pieces of embroidery that I’ve worked and they’re now sitting in a cupboard; I haven’t got around to framing them, or doing anything with them and that’s absolutely ok. It was entirely the process of embroidery I enjoy.
I often do some knitting just to try out a new stitch, not to actually make anything, or I might work a piece that tries out several different ways of increasing and decreasing just so I can see which ones I like. Totally all about the process.
BUT - whilst working that process I want it to be the very best I can make it.
It doesn’t bother me in the slightest to undo any work I’ve just done if I think I can make it better.
It’s all about the process, so why would I NOT want to do more of that process to make it better?
I don’t understand the mindset that working the process is more important than have it look good, or not fixing ‘mistakes’.
I really enjoy working the process, and doing things over if I think they can be improved means I get to enjoy more of the process.
Yes, truly there are many more nuances here than I first thought.
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Post by hop2 on Sept 23, 2024 20:32:56 GMT
Ok, I chose 50/50 It’s really contextual. For work I’m highly invested in both the product & the process so the resolution is correct and we aren’t in a disaster to get to the resolution.
For activities or trips, I’m probably 80% about the process as I think ignoring the trip for the destination can lead to being miserable for a lot of it. ( it sure was miserable when my Ex concentrated on the destination/product as opposed to the process for family activities )
Crafting - I’m going with 90% process at this point in my life. I used to focus so much on the creation and was unsatisfied when it wasn’t “perfect”. That resulted in a lot of unsatisfaction. However when I took crafting back up after my divorce it really focused on the process and I’m more often pleased with both the process and the product.
Cooking - more product oriented, while I enjoy cooking, I do care that the result is what it should be more than that the process was fun.
Chores in general - product or result oriented. If someone shows me an easier faster process to the same or better result - bravo bring it on.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Sept 23, 2024 20:33:38 GMT
Job interviewer to Zee: so what would you say fuels your creativity? Zg: oh you know...Dateline...serial killers...that kind of thing. 🤣 |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Sept 23, 2024 20:36:06 GMT
Mostly product, but depending on the situation (like crafting), I can be both. I am typically an A type personality according to my umm, analness, but when I was tested, I came out right in the middle. We took a test at work years back to see where we fit. I totally did not expect it but there seems to be a pattern of perfectionist thinking and type A personalities being product focused. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Sept 23, 2024 20:37:07 GMT
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Post by Linda on Sept 23, 2024 20:55:46 GMT
I don’t know tbh
I love planning and organising… that’s process right?
But that feeling of accomplishment when something is complete …that’s more product?
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Post by jeremysgirl on Sept 23, 2024 21:01:39 GMT
KiwiJo it is said that the Amish work a purposeful flaw into every quilt they make. Because only God is perfect. If you come by the craft thread, you can see the kinds of things I make. Beautiful things. Flawed all of them. I like to challenge myself with projects and take great care in making them, but I'm not going to rip out a seam that 1/8" off. I also am not going backward 5 rows on a blanket I crochet to fix an error. I will just correct for it (in the current row) and move forward. That's what I do, chalk it up to learning experience.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Sept 23, 2024 21:03:25 GMT
I don’t know tbh I love planning and organising… that’s process right? But that feeling of accomplishment when something is complete …that’s more product? I am neither a planner or an organizer outside of work. So make of that what you will. 😉 |
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Post by Zee on Sept 23, 2024 21:11:23 GMT
Job interviewer to Zee: so what would you say fuels your creativity? Zg: oh you know...Dateline...serial killers...that kind of thing. 🤣 I do tend to make creepy art so probably there would be zero surprise, lol My DH is such a trooper, he came bone collecting with me the other day. We found so many bones by the side of the road that I couldn't bring them all home! I only use "ethically sourced" animal products (I or someone else found it, it wasn't killed for its hide or bones) and while I'm sad that there is so much road kill at least I can make them into something that can still be admired after they're gone. Finding bones is the ultimate thrill. I also love to find feathers and that kind of thing. I like the hunt more than the creative process. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Sept 23, 2024 21:16:38 GMT
Zee my niece is the same. She got a tarantula and she's been making art with all his molting. I'd love to see what you do on the craft thread.
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