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Post by onelasttime on Sept 24, 2024 17:14:53 GMT
trump believes the reason the stock market is this high is because he will win. “A lot of people” who live only in trump’s head have said so. Because of the chaos and uncertainty trump winning will cause I do think the stock market will tank. Agree or disagree? Acyn…. ”Trump: "A lot of people say the only reason the stock market is high is everyone thinks I'm going to win the election. I believe that's true." x.com/atrupar/status/1838371338349576268?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nw
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 24, 2024 17:20:44 GMT
I think the stock market is reacting positively to the Harris campaign, which is also a reason for it rising.
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Post by ntsf on Sept 24, 2024 17:53:55 GMT
businesses like certainty.. and trump brings chaos. esp in economics which he does not understand.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 24, 2024 18:02:28 GMT
I think Trump is full of shit and just needs to take credit for anything and everything he thinks he can (unless it isn’t good, of course).
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Post by 3boysnme on Sept 24, 2024 18:03:19 GMT
I think the stock market is reacting positively to the Harris campaign, which is also a reason for it rising. This. Anything trump says should be considered a lie. No matter what. If he says the grass is green, lie. Anything that comes out of that man's mouth...LIE.
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Post by onelasttime on Sept 24, 2024 18:20:27 GMT
Here is your chaos and unconditional right here… Acyn… ”Trump: Your wages will rise, your costs will fall, your job opportunities will grow, because we will conduct the largest deportation operation, sadly, in American history.” x.com/acyn/status/1838642747336737184?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nwA response… 😀 ”Our wages will rise just like shares of Trump's media company DJT?”
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Post by smasonnc on Sept 24, 2024 19:52:14 GMT
I am a former banker and financial writer. I still read and listen to a lot of financial news, interviews with CEOs, Jerome Powell, etc. on both sides of the political spectrum. Trump is very pro business, which is good for the stock market, but won’t help the middle class, many of whom aren’t invested in the markets. It will really hurt those at the bottom.
If you remember before Covid (who can?) his economic policies were starting to succeed. Unemployment was low and job creation was up. He won’t shoot money out of a fire hose like Biden did during Covid, so our currency could strengthen internationally. Even if Trump is good for the markets, he’s still unhinged and will do damage in other ways.
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Post by lisae on Sept 24, 2024 20:05:41 GMT
That's absurd on so many levels. The economy is strong and the market reflects that. Presidents always get more credit and blame for the economy than they have any control over. However, if you want to politicize the economic news, Biden could then take credit for the all time highs the market has enjoyed through much of his Presidency. The market hit its biggest downturn at the start of the war in Ukraine but has more than recovered.
Another reason it is absurd is that truly no one knows who is going to win. In fact if his statement had merit, the market would have taken a downturn since Biden dropped out and Trump's chances of a sure victory have plummeted. The market has been breaking records for weeks. The S&P hit an all time high today.
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Post by peasapie on Sept 24, 2024 20:07:57 GMT
If she hasn't already, Kamala needs to come out STRONG and let people know the stock market is high, and interest rates falling, due to expert fiscal management on the part of the fed and the Biden administration.
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Post by peasapie on Sept 24, 2024 20:10:15 GMT
I am a former banker and financial writer. I still read and listen to a lot of financial news, interviews with CEOs, Jerome Powell, etc. on both sides of the political spectrum. Trump is very pro business, which is good for the stock market, but won’t help the middle class, many of whom aren’t invested in the markets. It will really hurt those at the bottom. If you remember before Covid (who can?) his economic policies were starting to succeed. Unemployment was low and job creation was up. He won’t shoot money out of a fire hose like Biden did during Covid, so our currency could strengthen internationally. Even if Trump is good for the markets, he’s still unhinged and will do damage in other ways. You may forget that shooting money from a hose started with Donald Trump. Biden took too long to stem that flow.
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Post by mom on Sept 24, 2024 20:28:26 GMT
I think there are several things on the horizon that could make stock markets tank -- a port strike, impending wars over seas that we may or may not be involved in and yes, Trump being elected. Of those three possible situations, I think Trump is the least worrisome to me. I also think that it's possible that if Harris wins, there could be some volatility as well.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Sept 24, 2024 21:08:24 GMT
I think the markets are always volatile around election time and then no matter who gets elected eventually it settles afterward. Logic would make you think that the market would do better with less chaos and Trump=chaos.
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Post by aj2hall on Sept 24, 2024 22:11:11 GMT
Once again, Trump is demonstrating a lack of a basic understanding of economics. If he gets elected and follows through on his tariffs and deporting 11 million people, he will increase inflation, raise interest rates and potentially, send the economy into a recession. www.nytimes.com/2024/08/22/business/trump-stock-market.htmlWhen he was taking credit for the stock market rally at the start of the year, there was “no validity to that at all,” said Seema Shah, chief global strategist at Principal Asset Management.www.cnn.com/2024/09/05/business/trump-economy-tariffs/index.htmlIt’s part of the reason Goldman Sachs in an analyst note this week said Trump’s economic policies – particularly on trade – would cause America’s economy to shrink. By contrast, Vice President Kamala Harris’ economic policy proposals would grow the economy, Goldman Sachs predicted.
Goldman and other experts fear Trump’s tough proposed trade tactics could worsen the affordability crisis in America.
“It’s one of those magical economic proposals that can actually cause inflation and put you into a recession – at the same time,” David Kelly, chief global strategist at JPMorgan Asset Management, told CNN in a phone interview.
Kelly warned that tariffs are a “perfect stagflation machine,” threaten to scramble supply chains and invite a punishing response from trading partners.
“It’s a two-year-old’s mentality: You punch someone in the nose and expect them not to punch you back,” he said.thehill.com/business/4861677-goldman-sachs-trump-impact/Analysts at Goldman Sachs are warning of diminished economic performance if former President Trump is elected and able to implement his agenda. Trump’s plans to crack down on immigration and impose new tariffs on Chinese goods will take a chunk out of gross domestic product (GDP) growth to the tune of a half percentage point in the second half of 2025 before rebounding in the following year, Goldman analysts predicted.
“We estimate that if Trump wins in a sweep or with divided government, the hit to growth from tariffs and tighter immigration policy would outweigh the positive fiscal impulse,” they wrote in a Tuesday analysis.
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Post by peasapie on Sept 25, 2024 9:10:32 GMT
Once again, Trump is demonstrating a lack of a basic understanding of economics. If he gets elected and follows through on his tariffs and deporting 11 million people, he will increase inflation, raise interest rates and potentially, send the economy into a recession. www.nytimes.com/2024/08/22/business/trump-stock-market.htmlWhen he was taking credit for the stock market rally at the start of the year, there was “no validity to that at all,” said Seema Shah, chief global strategist at Principal Asset Management.www.cnn.com/2024/09/05/business/trump-economy-tariffs/index.htmlIt’s part of the reason Goldman Sachs in an analyst note this week said Trump’s economic policies – particularly on trade – would cause America’s economy to shrink. By contrast, Vice President Kamala Harris’ economic policy proposals would grow the economy, Goldman Sachs predicted.
Goldman and other experts fear Trump’s tough proposed trade tactics could worsen the affordability crisis in America.
“It’s one of those magical economic proposals that can actually cause inflation and put you into a recession – at the same time,” David Kelly, chief global strategist at JPMorgan Asset Management, told CNN in a phone interview.
Kelly warned that tariffs are a “perfect stagflation machine,” threaten to scramble supply chains and invite a punishing response from trading partners.
“It’s a two-year-old’s mentality: You punch someone in the nose and expect them not to punch you back,” he said.thehill.com/business/4861677-goldman-sachs-trump-impact/Analysts at Goldman Sachs are warning of diminished economic performance if former President Trump is elected and able to implement his agenda. Trump’s plans to crack down on immigration and impose new tariffs on Chinese goods will take a chunk out of gross domestic product (GDP) growth to the tune of a half percentage point in the second half of 2025 before rebounding in the following year, Goldman analysts predicted.
“We estimate that if Trump wins in a sweep or with divided government, the hit to growth from tariffs and tighter immigration policy would outweigh the positive fiscal impulse,” they wrote in a Tuesday analysis.All correct.
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Sept 25, 2024 9:57:28 GMT
Energy drives the economy, and trump is an idiot when it comes to understanding energy markets. I know that MAGA wants to complain about higher gas prices under Biden, but prices were beginning to climb under trump before COVID. Mr. Global is an energy expert on TikTok and Twitter who can explain the economics of the energy sector in plain language. Robert Rapier on Facebook is another good source of information about how energy markets work. Both of them have produced content that explains why trump was bad for our energy economy. This video by Mr. Global is actually a good explanation of the damage trump did to the US oil industry: x.com/matthewcanwrite/status/1838289806511518113?s=46&t=Y-r7JiIyKIzu7Ff-3J1fqgAnd this one explains how his”deal” with OPEC has led to a national security risk with Russia and helps explain why putin wants Ukraine so badly; x.com/matthewcanwrite/status/1838644551994458224?s=46&t=Y-r7JiIyKIzu7Ff-3J1fqgIf trump wins, look for more energy chaos.
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Sept 25, 2024 10:05:29 GMT
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Post by CeeScraps on Sept 25, 2024 11:55:10 GMT
I haven't read the comments.....my brain is saying
OH Yeesh...Doofus
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Post by aj2hall on Sept 25, 2024 23:40:32 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Sept 30, 2024 22:03:21 GMT
From a Nobel prize economist Gift articles - no paywall www.nytimes.com/2024/09/30/opinion/trump-inflation.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Ok4.t-ja.FkVHmCixrlWE&smid=url-shareBut Trump has consistently pushed for high taxes on imports — something that, contrary to his claims, would ultimately get passed on to consumers — mass deportation of undocumented workers and ending the Fed’s independence, all of which would raise inflation. Among economists recently surveyed by The Financial Times and the University of Chicago Booth School of Business, 70 percent thought Trump’s policies would be more inflationary than Harris’s; only 3 percent thought the reverse.
How inflationary would Trumponomics be? A new study from the Peterson Institute for International Economics tries to put numbers to the likely effect. It estimates that depending on the extent to which Trump’s policies on tariffs, the Fed and, in particular, immigration are enacted, they would raise inflation between about four and seven percentage points above the base line, meaning inflation of about 6 percent to 9 percent.
Now think about what Trump is contemplating. Rounding up millions of foreign-born workers would cause an immediate large reduction in labor supply. Tariffs would drive up the cost of imported goods as surely as shipping costs and inadequate port capacity did in 2021-22. Trumponomics would, you might say, be a plague on the economy.
Many voters still believe that Trump would do a better job than Harris on the economy, although his edge on the issue of inflation has largely vanished. But people who have looked at his actual policy ideas believe that they’re an inflation disaster waiting to happen.
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Post by onelasttime on Oct 30, 2024 0:41:08 GMT
I am a former banker and financial writer. I still read and listen to a lot of financial news, interviews with CEOs, Jerome Powell, etc. on both sides of the political spectrum. Trump is very pro business, which is good for the stock market, but won’t help the middle class, many of whom aren’t invested in the markets. It will really hurt those at the bottom. If you remember before Covid (who can?) his economic policies were starting to succeed. Unemployment was low and job creation was up. He won’t shoot money out of a fire hose like Biden did during Covid, so our currency could strengthen internationally. Even if Trump is good for the markets, he’s still unhinged and will do damage in other ways. I thought about your response when I read rhe stuff below. I do believe what Musk says will happen will. A. Trump inherited a growing economy. His “policies” was w tax cut that benefited those who made more than $350,000 and increased the debt to quote trump “by a lot”. B. For this potential term his new BFF Elon Musk, who trump claims will be part of his administration, is saying this… MT ”Elon Musk admits Trump's plans will collapse the U.S. economy, says that it's necessary for everyday Americans to experience "temporary hardship" From the article… “ Trump Ally Elon Musk Warns of 'Necessary' Economic Collapse if Trump Elected”
Musk says everyday Americans must embrace the pain if Trump gets back in the Oval Office” Full article in the link. x.com/meidastouch/status/1851308109634973944?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nw
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Post by jill8909 on Oct 30, 2024 0:50:03 GMT
Trump has asked Elon Musk to come up with a plan to slash 3 Trillion from the budget. That will tank the market and Elon agrees "at least temporarily".
Unless Trump is lying about this plan? could that be?
see above post!!
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 30, 2024 3:12:29 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 30, 2024 3:32:14 GMT
He makes really good points and has the evidence to back it up.
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