iowgirl
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Post by iowgirl on Oct 7, 2024 13:51:18 GMT
Do you have a large stockpile, able to go without most shopping, and/or substitute with what you have, for a few months? I could easily go a long time, except for things like fresh fruit/fresh vegetables - but between frozen and canned, that could easily be handled. I would need milk. I do keep some powdered milk on hand, "Just in case" for winter. Never have used it to make milk - but have used it in baking to get rid of it. I currently have 3, yes 3, deep freezers full of beef. Not by my choice, but it's there. We have had to butcher a couple less than ideal beeves, and those go in our freezer. I have LOTS of hamburger, because we mostly just have it all ground. It's not hard for me to get to a grocery store, but this time of year I do not feel like going later. I get done around 8-9 at night, and the last thing I want to do is drive 30 minutes and get groceries. I have some early morning time (to check here of course! LOL) - but I spend that taming down the roaring mess in my kitchen and prepping both lunch and supper for in the field. I head out about 9 am to start hauling grain. We are running 7 days a week now on grain. I am looking at a brief break in grain hauling as we switch from beans to corn this week. I 'reset' then. Get sheets changed, all the laundry put away (I am in the 'clean stack' mode now). Get the house vacuumed and dusted, because my LORD!, it is so damn dusty here with no rain in forever. But I am still cooking meals and running errands for the crew that is still working (we need to do a few cattle related things for a couple days before corn). I start a Walmart order, and keep adding to that as I need something. Once I know I am going to have a free window of time, I send it in, then do a pickup. Gosh - that is SO nice to just have it all brought out to my car.
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Tearisci
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Post by Tearisci on Oct 7, 2024 14:02:53 GMT
When DS was small and I was still married, I used to stockpile a bit. I had a freezer in the garage and would buy in bulk and then use my seal-a-meal to make smaller portions.
Then DS moved out and we moved across the country. Our apartment was directly above a nice grocery store so I just treated that like my pantry (not much storage in the apartment) and I'd shop every day.
Now that I'm on my own, I still have limited pantry stuff but I probably get online pickup about twice a week. I cook a lot for my parents and if I'm buying one lb of ground beef, I'll probably get one to use and 2 for the freezer. I'd like to cut my online pickup to once a week if possible so I'm working toward that.
As far as paper produect, I usually buy a 12 pack of TP and 12 rolls of paper towels and they last me quite a long time.
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Post by Lexica on Oct 7, 2024 14:12:10 GMT
Do you have a large stockpile, able to go without most shopping, and/or substitute with what you have, for a few months? I could easily go a long time, except for things like fresh fruit/fresh vegetables - but between frozen and canned, that could easily be handled. I would need milk. I do keep some powdered milk on hand, "Just in case" for winter. Never have used it to make milk - but have used it in baking to get rid of it. I currently have 3, yes 3, deep freezers full of beef. Not by my choice, but it's there. We have had to butcher a couple less than ideal beeves, and those go in our freezer. I have LOTS of hamburger, because we mostly just have it all ground. It's not hard for me to get to a grocery store, but this time of year I do not feel like going later. I get done around 8-9 at night, and the last thing I want to do is drive 30 minutes and get groceries. I have some early morning time (to check here of course! LOL) - but I spend that taming down the roaring mess in my kitchen and prepping both lunch and supper for in the field. I head out about 9 am to start hauling grain. We are running 7 days a week now on grain. I am looking at a brief break in grain hauling as we switch from beans to corn this week. I 'reset' then. Get sheets changed, all the laundry put away (I am in the 'clean stack' mode now). Get the house vacuumed and dusted, because my LORD!, it is so damn dusty here with no rain in forever. But I am still cooking meals and running errands for the crew that is still working (we need to do a few cattle related things for a couple days before corn). I start a Walmart order, and keep adding to that as I need something. Once I know I am going to have a free window of time, I send it in, then do a pickup. Gosh - that is SO nice to just have it all brought out to my car. I have thought of you while watching Clarkson’s Farm on Amazon Prime. Seeing all the things that must take place to raise animals and grow food is really interesting to me. And how the lack of rain or too much rain determines the size and quality of your crop yields is interesting to learn about. For example, it rained so much that they could not get seeds in to allow sufficient growing time on some of their crops. And others lacked the nutritional components required to sell as human food and ended up being sold for animal feed at about a third of the price. Have you watched this show at all? And does it really depict the life of farmers accurately? Jeremy was saying that if his farm doesn’t make enough money, he has his tv shows and other sources of income, but he wonders what other farmers are doing to get by. He opened a little farm market to sell some of the items produced on his farm and opened it up to his neighboring farms so they could sell their items in his store too, giving them the opportunity to get some income from their handicrafts and produce. He also tried to have a small restaurant but the local council shut it down. So he switched to having a food truck next to his market where people could buy his beef as a hamburger and there are always big lines to shop there. Yes, some people just come to see him, but others come to buy the items in the store and grab a burger while they are there. It is a fun show. I assume the farming bits are all real.
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iowgirl
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Post by iowgirl on Oct 7, 2024 14:26:26 GMT
if I'm buying one lb of ground beef, I'll probably get one to use and 2 for the freezer. I am pretty sure I have several hundred pounds of ground beef right now! LOL The thought of having only a pound or two is terrifying! And how the lack of rain or too much rain determines the size and quality of your crop yields is interesting to learn about. Moisture - the lack of or over abundance is always a stressor. We have had a couple of very dry years, so dry that the subsoil moisture is almost nill. We have had timely rains that have saved the crop, but not replenished the subsoil. Going in to this spring was a worry. Then it rained. And rained, and rained, and rained. We were lucky that it did not flood right in our area, but not too far north was terrible. We practice mostly no-till farming, so the rains soaked in and did not wash our ground. Washing away soil is something you want to greatly avoid. It's bad for the environment and it's bad for your fields. We also have most of our ground extensively tiled, to efficiently remove excess water safely. But planting was delayed. Once summer hit, the rain stopped, and we had a couple crop saving rains, but it has been very dry since August. Soybeans are very dry, causing the yield to drop. Corn is looking VERY good for us though. We manage planting carefully and reduce our planting rate. Less seeds, less competition between the plants for limited moisture. We 'prescription precision plant'. Our fields are mapped by soil types - and the very sandy spots that do not hold moisture get far less seeds planted, and the loamier areas that hold moisture get more seeds planted. Have you watched this show at all? And does it really depict the life of farmers accurately? Jeremy was saying that if his farm doesn’t make enough money, he has his tv shows and other sources of income, but he wonders what other farmers are doing to get by. I haven't had a chance to catch a show, but I have seen some brief clips. I will have to make a note to watch some. There are so many different types of farming. Hobby Farming (which is small scale, but a lot of work none the less!), farmer market type farming, livestock, etc. We are diversified by being both livestock (beef) and row crop. We grow almost 100% of our cattle feed, other than protein pellets. We commercially harvest all the corn that does not go into livestock feed. It would go for animal feed and ethanol production (which also has animal feed as a by-product, that corn gets used at least twice in the supply chain, if not more). We also grow soybeans that go to commerical sales, most of which probably goes to hog feed, some cattle feed, soy oil, and bio-diesel production. We also grow hay for cattle feed. We have a great deal of pasture, that requires a lot of maintenance, to graze our cow/calf pairs. We finish out our calves for beef, but we do not have a big enough herd, so we also buy calves to fill up our finish barns. It keeps us busy every day! And yes, some years are no profit. That is why you must manage your finances carefully. My husband grew up in some very VERY lean years in the 80's and that very much influences how he operates today.
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christinec68
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Jun 26, 2014 18:02:19 GMT
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Post by christinec68 on Oct 7, 2024 14:33:42 GMT
We don't have much room to stock pile a lot of items.
Our freezer is usually pretty full and I try to keep the pantry in decent shape but that's still at most 3, maybe 4 weeks of meals not including fresh produce. We buy the large pack of Scott TP - it's the only big thing we get I have a few things on subscribe & save with Amazon - so things like toothpaste and deodorant come in multi packs but they are small and easy to store.
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Post by quinlove on Oct 7, 2024 14:55:38 GMT
Because of the pandemic, I had a huge stock of food. I kept adding to it and adding to it. There’s only me and I really couldn’t keep up. The food was expiring before I could get to it. My anxiety won’t let me eat expired can goods, etc. I ended up giving so much away. Neighbors, YMCA pantry shelves, etc.
I don’t do that any more. I have a *little* extra, but not much.
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Post by padresfan619 on Oct 7, 2024 15:03:10 GMT
We don’t really stockpile beyond maybe an extra one or two items. Right now I have three cans of corn in our pantry which is pretty unusual. I guess I got in my head that I needed corn the last three times I went to the store.
We do buy frozen chicken and dry pasta from Costco so we are usually stocked up on that. I don’t have a huge pantry space or second freezer to really have a huge stockpile.
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Post by Lexica on Oct 7, 2024 15:35:43 GMT
iowgirl, thank you for answering. I am finding the whole farming process and the different variables that go into it very educational and quite interesting. I had to look up a couple of your terms. The term “no-till farming” gave me an idea of what it was all about, but I googled it anyway and learned so much more on Wikipedia about the different kinds of no-till practices and the benefits and drawbacks. And tiled drainage was a new term for me too. I was obviously raised in the city all of my life so I have no history of ever being around a working farm. On the Clarkson farm, he has 1,000 acres, but only half is arable land for crop planting. I have really liked seeing the different farming machines and implements involved too. But the cost of them is quite shocking! I would think that anyone who is farming now has been raised on that farm, learning the ins and outs throughout their life by both watching and participating since early childhood. And I would think most farmers are carrying on in family farms they inherited. The thought of starting out fresh, buying the land AND all of the equipment is off putting. And having the wealth of knowledge to successfully operate that farm, knowing all the tricks of the trade, so to speak, must be learned from generations of farming. How would it be possible for someone who has the desire, but was not raised on a farm, and is inheriting a working, established farm get into doing this? I heard there were not many young farmers coming along because of the hard work and long hours, and cost of starting a farm is prohibitive. Are most farmers hoping for their children to take an interest to continue on when they retire? And if it is as scary as the article that I read on the lack of young farmers getting into the career, what will happen? Major conglomerates buying up small farms and running them with all hired help? Were you and your husband both raised on farms? Do your children plan to carry it on when you retire? And how many acres do you have to plant? Where I used to live in Southern California, there were so many orange orchards in the area when I first moved out there. Now all of those trees are gone, replaced with houses, condos, apartment complexes, and shopping centers. I used to love driving by the trees when they were flowering. I would put my windows down and breathe in the incredible smell of the blossoms. Now it is concrete and asphalt. I would be really interested in your take on the Clarkson show when you eventually see it. Whether it gives an accurate picture of the long hours and hard work that goes into being a real farmer. You are the only farmer that I know of, so I apologize if I am asking too many questions. It is all so interesting to me.
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iowgirl
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Post by iowgirl on Oct 7, 2024 16:09:05 GMT
How would it be possible for someone who has the desire, but was not raised on a farm, and is inheriting a working, established farm get into doing this? I heard there were not many young farmers coming along because of the hard work and long hours, and cost of starting a farm is prohibitive. Are most farmers hoping for their children to take an interest to continue on when they retire? And if it is as scary as the article that I read on the lack of young farmers getting into the career, what will happen? Major conglomerates buying up small farms and running them with all hired help? Ideally, if you had the desire to farm, and were inheriting ground and an established farm, there would be someone involved in the operation that could guide you along. It isn't something you learn quickly or learn in a book. My DH has his degree in Agronomy, and that factors greatly into our farming practices, but the fact that he was working full time (summers, etc) beside his dad and granddad starting at age 10 is also a major factor. Our kids started working at that age also - not back breaking forced labor (unless you ask them, ) - but age appropriate jobs like picking up rocks from freshly tilled fields (something we don't have to do as much now since we no-till), digging out thistles, mullein, and other weeds from our pastures. They started operating machinery in their early teens and did more with livestock as they got a little bit older. We are pretty safety conscious and our kids were never allowed around machinery or big livestock when they were too young to handle it safely. Are most farmers hoping for their children to take an interest to continue on when they retire? In a word - YES! It can get very complicated when more than one wants too, and if the ones that are not interested get their fair cut of an inheritance. It can destroy families. That is the very sad part of it, and very common. You have to have some estate planning and very frank conversations. Sometimes inheritance isn't an exact fair split, because you have to factor the sweat equity involved for those who choose to stay on the farm and work, and those who just want a check every year. It's not fair to split the monies equally for that. Major conglomerates buying up small farms and running them with all hired help? I am sure that happens, but I do not ever see that around my area of Iowa. There are some large farmers and they can afford to buy more ground and hire more workers, but as far as "large corporations" - the corporation is a family that chooses for legal and tax reasons to incorporate. And there can be some really BIG operators! Ground to the northwest of us sells for over 20,000/acre. Shocking! An 80 acre field (which is not considered a really large field at all) is worth 1.6 million dollars! We are a small family farm, with around 2K acres of row crops (Corn & Soybeans), a few hundred acres of hay and right under 1,000 acres of pasture ground. One of our children has return to the farm full time, and also has her own farm ground she rents, and we do not anticipate the others to do so, but they do help out when they are here on visits. My DH & daughter do the majority of the work, I help during busy seasons and we sometimes hire a little help for silage and also to run grain cart in the evenings so my daughter can spend time with her child.
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Post by alsomsknit on Oct 7, 2024 16:21:08 GMT
Grew up in a doom’s day cult. My mother took the end times teachings and what my grandmother shared about living through the Great Depression as a kid and scared the hell out of my poor little child brain. On top of that, we were poor and the frequency of hearing the roll of toilet paper or shampoo had to last 4 days, for 5 people, until payday did a number on my need to have a small stockpile. Honestly, it was excessive for the first 10 years of our marriage. DH teased me about the TP stash. It never went under 100 rolls.
When the boy and I were sick with a virus, not COVID, we were fine with not buying anything for a month. DH would pick up perishables. We were good with everything else.
Can’t remember when I made a conscious effort to not keep the house supplied to that ridiculous level. I managed to get to the point that only one extra was the stock for most things. When the extra went into use, it was time to buy another. I was comfortable with having 2 packs of TP in the storage room.
Then COVID hit. Unfortunately, it happened at a time when we were in need of a shopping trip. Made things difficult. Thankfully, it did not undo all the work I did to reform my stocking ways. Though I did buy 2 extra 12 pack rolls of TP, for a total of four packs, when told the stock at WM was low. To be fair, I couldn’t get Dad on the phone to see if he needed anything and I would have shared with him.
At this point, I’m not sure we have enough to get us through a month on most things. Minus items that are sold in multiples—toothpaste, bar soap, floss, and the like.
I’m rather proud of myself for overcoming the fears that were instilled in my impressionable brain.
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Post by snugglebutter on Oct 7, 2024 16:38:50 GMT
We have a small stockpile, mostly due to shopping sales/trying to keep costs down. Plus we are a family of 7 (though one is at college now) so we are at a stage where buying in bulk makes sense.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 7, 2024 19:18:36 GMT
I tend to buy extra and/or buy ahead. I have delivery and cannot be 100% sure I can get and order always on time, plus I prefer not to make the drivers carry some of the bigger/heavier items in bad weather; heat of summer, rain, deep freeze or snow.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 7, 2024 20:07:21 GMT
We have quite a bit of storage space, so tend to have a decent amount on hand, even without trying to stockpile. I don't have a separate freezer though so not a ton of meet. If we had to manage, we could go a while, but it'd be heavy on pasta, rice and beans. And canned tomatoes - there's one store that carries San Manzano tomatoes, so I stock up on those.
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milocat
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Post by milocat on Oct 7, 2024 20:12:02 GMT
I grew up rural, my mom always shopped what was on sale and stocked up. I'm in a small town now with 1 grocery store. It's an hour to the city. I stock up on everything, groceries, toilet paper, toiletries. Some things I can only get at Costco and I sometimes go an hour the other way to a different city with no Costco. I stocked up so I can make whatever I want. I stock up so I don't have to go to the store, especially in the winter when the roads might be bad. I stock up in the summer because I get alot of fruits and veggies locally, so don't need to go to the city for stuff if I don't want to.
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Post by chaosisapony on Oct 8, 2024 1:58:13 GMT
I live rurally so I do tend to keep a lot of stuff on hand. My freezer is usually way too full. I keep a small stash of "power outage food" and I usually have plenty of toiletries. It's pretty rare where I live to get a big storm and when we do the roads will be clear in a few hours. The issue mainly would be me just not wanting to go out in bad weather to shop.
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