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Post by jeremysgirl on Oct 14, 2024 12:52:17 GMT
The Trump Voters Who Don't Believe TrumpThis article was in the the NYT today (it should be gift article so everyone can read). I do believe this is the vast majority of his voters and Independents who will vote for him. They just don't believe the wild claims he makes about deportation being bloody, etc. While Democratic voters heed his warnings, these Republican voters just don't believe him. I know, rationally, that these people exist, but you would think after January 6th, they would have turned their backs on him. And isn't it sad that these people are so motivated by their wallets that they are willing to overlook some pretty dangerous rhetoric? They think Democratic voters are being chicken littles. I am wondering how many peas who plan to vote for him think this way too.
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Post by Merge on Oct 14, 2024 13:19:46 GMT
Yep. This was my brother in 2020. "What are you going to do when Trump is elected and the world doesn't end?" "He just says that stuff. He doesn't mean it."
Fortunately, January 6th and some other things (he lives in Georgia) caused him to re-examine his views. I doubt he'll vote for Harris but at least he won't vote for Trump.
ETA: my brother is definitely among the socioeconomic class that likes their Trump tax cuts. I've tried appealing to him on behalf of his four nieces without much result. As he and his wife have remained childless by choice, I hope that JD Vance's rhetoric about childless women and people is a big turnoff for them, though.
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pantsonfire
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Post by pantsonfire on Oct 14, 2024 13:46:40 GMT
The Trump Voters Who Don't Believe TrumpThis article was in the the NYT today (it should be gift article so everyone can read). I do believe this is the vast majority of his voters and Independents who will vote for him. They just don't believe the wild claims he makes about deportation being bloody, etc. While Democratic voters heed his warnings, these Republican voters just don't believe him. I know, rationally, that these people exist, but you would think after January 6th, they would have turned their backs on him. And isn't it sad that these people are so motivated by their wallets that they are willing to overlook some pretty dangerous rhetoric? They think Democratic voters are being chicken littles. I am wondering how many peas who plan to vote for him think this way too. I bolded this because this is exactly why we are in the mess that we are. He helps the top tier people. He allows corporations and businesses to take all they can from the American people. He is bad for business. And it is shocking that these highly educated business people can't see that. Or understand that. But they know he will make them more money. And that is their bottom line. BUT I don't think they grasp the harm that will be caused and in the end their money will disappear because we won't have anymore to give. So many Americans are already stretched thin. If or if not, Trump is bad all around. And how can they believe him when he says one thing at rallies and then another at a business meeting? People listen with the ears they grow. And by that I mean they filter and take in what they want to hear. It going to hurt us in the end.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Oct 14, 2024 14:02:34 GMT
BUT I don't think they grasp the harm that will be caused and in the end their money will disappear because we won't have anymore to give. So many Americans are already stretched thin. I think this is the part where the disconnect is. If the average person doesn't have money, they cannot spend it with these businesses. I also think we have a real problem with the constant growth mindset when it comes to business. Why do earnings have to be up? Why can't we just strive for business to be steady? I think we have this culture here of spend, spend, spend, just to "have" things. All in all, I think this mindset that businesses actively promote and exploit is harmful. And because of that, these business owners are willing to overlook all manner of atrocities.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Oct 14, 2024 16:13:49 GMT
BUT I don't think they grasp the harm that will be caused and in the end their money will disappear because we won't have anymore to give. So many Americans are already stretched thin. I think this is the part where the disconnect is. If the average person doesn't have money, they cannot spend it with these businesses. I also think we have a real problem with the constant growth mindset when it comes to business. Why do earnings have to be up? Why can't we just strive for business to be steady? I think we have this culture here of spend, spend, spend, just to "have" things. All in all, I think this mindset that businesses actively promote and exploit is harmful. And because of that, these business owners are willing to overlook all manner of atrocities. This is the part I don’t understand either. A rising tide lifts ALL boats, so if the economy is good for the little guys that will ultimately funnel UP to make the big guys richer. Maybe not as quickly, but more consistently, and isn’t that really what businesspeople look for? I truly believe that’s why the economy actually does better under Democratic administrations. It’s not even necessarily because people want to buy all the things, but because people can afford to buy the things they and their families actually need. As for his followers believing what he says, January 6th proved that there are plenty of whackadoodles out there who really DO believe all the wild stuff he says. And they have also proven that they are willing to risk a lot personally to act on those beliefs and do what he’s directly and indirectly asking them to do. That right there is what makes him so dangerous.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 14, 2024 17:45:52 GMT
Yesterday I saw a post where (I think) the NYT interviewed several women who voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020 but are not happy about the overturning of Roe V Wade and are no longer voting for him. I wish they would have believed the republicans when the writing was on the wall. If he wins again I think there will be a lot of other people who wish they would have taken what he says seriously.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 15, 2024 0:11:11 GMT
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Post by peamused on Oct 15, 2024 0:20:03 GMT
It's almost like they don't believe his hyperbole but yet believe it enough to still "follow" him.
I am waiting for the day that someone does a documentary on the psychology of the trump train phenomenon. Actually there are books about cults and there are so many similarities it's frightening. (Spoiler alert: most people don't know they're even in a cult)
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Post by Scrapper100 on Oct 15, 2024 3:11:24 GMT
I really do think that a lot don’t think he will really do it. It’s like locker room talk but we know now that he really was grabbing them by the #%<{ and lots of them snd often went further.
I hear, he won’t do that he didn’t do it last time. They don’t understand that the rules have changed snd more things have been put into place this time.
He has gone after a Biden - Hunter. They just wouldn’t let go if that bone. No matter what he did there was no reason to show naked pics of him in congress. He never denied being with a hooked so why show photos. Seriously. I know that wasn’t TFG but it was one of his minions.
I know people that will vote for him and others that won’t but refuse to vote for Harris because Democrats ruin the economy. Nothing I say will change their minds so … we are in California so it really won’t matter.
Most people just don’t think it will affect them but it might affect undocumented immigrants so it’s ok. Their words not mine. As long as they think they won’t be affected they don’t care. Many normal people don’t follow him or news on him so have no idea all the horrible things he says. It amazes me how many say things were better under him. Even before Covid things were slipping and going downhill from my standpoint. Taxes didn’t go down, there were a lot of mass layoffs my husband was one of these in 2019 after 17 years with his company that he expected to retire from some day. Inflation was starting to go up. Maybe not so much on the things they measure but I was sure noticing at the Peopke around here think he walks in water and was the best president ever things were just the best they had ever been. No idea how they can ignore Covid or 1/6 but … sorry for rambling. I just think people think it will nit affect them and he has an R next to his name. These are those that aren’t paying attention those that are just don’t think he will do it.
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Post by jill8909 on Oct 15, 2024 5:47:31 GMT
may those voters rot in hell
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Post by lesserknownpea on Oct 15, 2024 6:49:14 GMT
Voting for an economic policy that is akin to killing the goose that lays the golden eggs.
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Post by peasapie on Oct 15, 2024 12:14:03 GMT
I’ve come to the conclusion that first impressions really are lasting. No matter what Trump does, his supporters overlook it. Our neighbors love him and excuse his behavior by saying, “oh he sticks his foot in his mouth all the time but he doesn’t mean it.”
Their minds are made up and not going to change.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 15, 2024 23:16:21 GMT
The captive cult!! Show more: Well, this is a very strange Trump Town Hall in Pennsylvania. It turned on a dime after two Trump supporters passed out/fainted/needed medical attention in back to back episodes that paused the Q and A format for a while. The Q and A portion never restarted after four questions mostly on the economy. Trump talked for a little and decided instead to play his favorite music to the crowd. He’s standing on stage. We’ve listened to opera songs Ave Maria, Con Te Paritiro and now we are listening and watching James Brown and Pavarotti on video singing “This is a Man’s World.” Trump urges people to vote and then plays the YMCA. x.com/BryanLlenas/status/1845979703452037352
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 20, 2024 12:38:04 GMT
I have to wonder if Trump supporters hear what he is saying lately. I primarily get my news from cnn or instagram (news outlets such as abc, nbc, etc) but also see more liberal contributors such as kamalaHQ and others who post about trumps most egregious comments. But if someone only watches Fox and nightly news, would they see those things? Like Trump talking about banning the board of ed, rambling on and on about random things, the size of Arnold Palmer’s genitals, talking to Netanyahu about not listening to. Biden, etc? If you know a Trump supporter do they know about these things? How do they explain them away?
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Post by sarahruby on Oct 20, 2024 14:13:24 GMT
Their minds are made up and not going to change. This statement is so true, for everyone. Whether you are voting for Trump or Harris.
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Post by peasapie on Oct 20, 2024 16:53:40 GMT
Their minds are made up and not going to change. This statement is so true, for everyone. Whether you are voting for Trump or Harris. This is not true for me. I think I would be bitterly disappointed if I found out the information I have on Kamala Harris was incorrect, and while I would not vote for Trump, I would instead vote for Jill Stein.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 20, 2024 18:26:20 GMT
This statement is so true, for everyone. Whether you are voting for Trump or Harris. This is not true for me. I think I would be bitterly disappointed if I found out the information I have on Kamala Harris was incorrect, and while I would not vote for Trump, I would instead vote for Jill Stein. But it’s not like Trump has been secretive about who he is and what he stands for. They just choose to believe what he and his minions say instead of the truth. They live in an alternate, false view of the world. I mean, one example was Mike Johnson saying this morning that leaders around the world are terrified of a Harris presidency and don’t respect her. Maybe that applies to Putin and Netanyahu, but I have not seen anything that indicates that world leaders respect Trump.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 20, 2024 18:58:59 GMT
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