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Post by getting started on Oct 23, 2024 23:23:18 GMT
I have felt the same way you described. Part of it was a phase of life. But there was still lots I did to change things that helped too. -outsource something to lessen your load. Could be paying for grocery delivery or cleaning or take out. Could be free ie. trade babysitting, carpool etc so you pick up a couple of kids (not really a lot more work) and in return you get free time which is a major boost for you -I was not buying into gratitude journals no matter what. It didn't work for me. Then someone posted about keeping a note on their phone called Good Things Are Always Happening To Me. Your goal is to notice the little 'good' things and make a list. Somehow this little shift allowed me to start making a list and it worked. I did feel better. -Recognize that it is you. I knew I was resentful and as a result moody. Then I decided that even when I felt like saying something in the difficult situation was warranted (for example with your husband) I bit my tongue. I held back simply because I knew that the overlying emotion I had was resentment and that didn't put me in a good place to have any tough conversations. I was shocked a couple of months ago to realize that the bad period had passed. It wasn't immediately obvious but once I noticed I saw it everywhere. I felt better. I approached situations differently and the change was so great! I wish the same for you.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Oct 24, 2024 0:58:38 GMT
I’ve been there. I think a lot of it for me came down to unrealistic expectations. I expected my DH to do the kinds of things for me that I do for him, and he’s just not wired that way. He’s overall a great guy, a good friend, a caring husband and father, but the dude is just NOT a detail guy when it comes to things like seeing things that need to be done (house blind) or picking out thoughtful gifts. It’s just not his thing. So I’ve learned to adjust my expectations to fit the reality of my situation, which is that if I want what I want, I have to just buy it myself, for myself (with his money, LOL) and if I need help with things I have to come right out and tell him what I need him to do.
The same is somewhat true of my kid, she isn’t me and she isn’t being raised the way I was raised so she needs to be told things too. She’s smart as a whip and is generally wonderful so I have to couch my expectations to meet her where she is and remind myself that she didn’t spend her entire childhood cleaning the house every Saturday, etc. and she’s used to everything just being done. It’s a learning experience for both of us.
Maybe since you’re having a hard time coming up with things that make you happy, maybe turn that on its head and think about the things you’re doing now that you really hate and find a way to do those things less. Maybe that means making your kid (and DH, LOL) a chore chart, or outsourcing some of the stuff you’re doing at home or delegating some of the stuff at work if you can. By doing less of the stuff you *don’t* want to do, it will free up some time for you to really think about what you would rather spend some of your time doing. I find that when I’m really stretched thin, I honestly just need free time to myself (or with a friend) where I don’t have to really accomplish anything and to mentally recharge and regroup. You know that old saying you can’t fill someone else up when your own bucket is empty? It’s true.
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Post by mikklynn on Oct 24, 2024 1:09:14 GMT
After raising kids, a stressful career, and being a caregiver to my late DH for 15 years I had so much anger built up. Like you, I felt no one ever took care of me. I truly tried to explain it to my DH, but he just couldn't or wouldn't understand it.
I've seen a great therapist for a year. She is pushing me to figure out what I want and what am I doing to care for myself.
I'm still working on it. I am much happier than I was a year ago.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Oct 24, 2024 1:24:55 GMT
I had a mini melt down this summer. It was over dinner. Who decides what we're eating, when we're eating, making sure we have the ingredients, making the dinner, if we're eating out, where? This has been a bug in my ass as long as I've been married. Other than the first 2 years of DS life, both DH and I have both worked. But the first question out of his mouth, every day, is "what's for dinner?" So I lost my shit and had a come to Jesus meeting about how unfair it was that we have four adults in this house capable of cooking a meal, and everyone expects me to organize it. It's not that I don't have time, DH and I are both retired, but I don't want to. And I don't want criticism for what I choose. You have to realize this was a big thing, because I'm not the fly off the handle melt down type.
So, we now have a dinner board. It's a dry erase board with a monthly calendar and everyone is responsible for filling in meals (and cooking them). Everyone is responsible for adding items to the grocery list for the meals they are planning to cook. It's been going well, even though I still cook more meals than anyone else on average.
I've also implemented the rule that the cook is not responsible for doing the dishes after they cook. One guess why...
This small thing makes me happy. I feel like it's a step towards me not being in charge of everything.
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Post by lg on Oct 24, 2024 3:14:33 GMT
What makes me happy: 1. Grocery delivery as I hate parking at the local shops, unloading bags into the trunk in the narrow car spaces etc. The delivery fee is more than made up for by us only buying what is on our list. This brings me to #2… 2. Having a grocery list that is open for everyone in the house to add anything food related that they want. If you do not write the item on the list we do not buy it and you have to wait a week to get it, unless you forget to write it on the new list and then you miss out again. Repeat x100. The mental load of a shopping list and trying to figure out what other people want to eat every day was making me unjustifiably mad so this is my solution. And it has worked as I just point blank refuse to go to the shop in between deliveries/orders. This is a huge “me looking after my mental health” thing. 3. Reading a book. I love reading. I always have loved reading. For a few years when I had young kids I didn’t read anything ever. It made me angry and frustrated. So I sat on the couch with a book, gave one to the kids so they could read, and we all read together. 4. Rediscovering old hobbies. I bought rollerskates and I love them and going to the local rink. I sing loudly, skate badly, sweat everywhere and have a great time because it is something that I love to do and it brings me joy. It is 100% selfish and I don’t care 😇
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Post by jeremysgirl on Oct 24, 2024 10:35:13 GMT
Brene Brown talked about it on her podcast and also in one of her books (maybe Atlas of the Heart?) about how happy/happiness is way too big. That instead we should recognize and create moments of joy. I find this much more appealing and satisfying than doing something like a gratitude journal, although I do experience a lot of gratitude. But creating moments of joy forces you to create these moments for yourself and recognize them. I really think that is the key to this whole discussion. When we spend our lives doing for others whether it be at work or at home, we feel powerless. We *have* to do it. It's all a grind, day in and day out. when we accept that we need to create moments of joy for ourselves, we take back our power. I had been practicing this joy thing for years and years. It was a lot of what got me through some of the toughest situations with my kids. When my child died, it was like oof. I couldn't bring myself to try to experience joy anymore. I love to go to concerts. I remember it was my birthday three months after she died and Jeremy bought me tickets to see two bands that I really loved. And I was doing alright for a little while and then suddenly I started crying. Like I couldn't allow myself to experience joy at all. And I went on like this for months. As time went on things got bleaker and bleaker and finally I had arrived at holiday time and was like nope I can't do this. scrapmaven told me it was possible to feel joy and sorrow at the same time. And that was like a lightbulb moment. Deep down I knew that because of all the years of turmoil with my kids when I was still creating moments of joy but it was like I needed permission to begin again having moments of joy. I really credit her words of wisdom and my putting it back into practice with me being able to grieve without getting lost myself.
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Post by scrappinmama on Oct 24, 2024 13:30:28 GMT
I totally agree with you about finding joy. That really does make a difference. Happiness is always tied to an event, like a vacation or special celebration. Joy is with those little moments that can happen every day. It's logging off of work at the end of the day and having some time to relax. It's spending time at the dinner table and talking to my family. Watching a movie or reading a good book, etc.
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Post by nicolecardella on Oct 24, 2024 13:59:17 GMT
How old is your child? I think sorting out what and who actually NEEDS you and what you can get off of your plate is a place to start.
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Post by nicolecardella on Oct 24, 2024 14:00:49 GMT
As to happiness, take a trip down memory lane and try to recall what excited you and interested you when you were a girl. That might give you a clue into your happiness. I believe happiness is a fleeting state, but contentment is more permanent way of being. I spent years being resentful of DH for his messiness and disorganization so I decided to give that up, as my anger had no effect on him, but made me bitter and angry all the time. Most of the time I’m able to look past it. And then when my therapist pointed out he thought DH was on the spectrum, after I got over the guilt, it was easier to see he wasn’t being the way he was out of spite. Life changing. Same for me. My ex husband was VERY ADHD with major anxiety. Once HE realized why he was the way he was…it was easier to ME to accept his response to most everything. Game changer.
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Post by wordyphotogbabe on Oct 24, 2024 15:02:24 GMT
Happiness, for me, is trusting and listening to myself.
It's creating space in my life for what fulfills me and removing what doesn't. It's auditioning people for my inner circle & only allowing people in who make me laugh & lift me up, who love me in word & action, and who don't require me to manage their emotions or their lives. It's centering my life around my morals and values and principles. It's volunteering with causes I care about because I feel a personal responsibility to make the world a better place. It's being very intentional about the words I say to others and the words I say to myself. It's about continuing to shape my children into kind thoughtful people who will live their best lives after they are done living with me and knowing that they will always be close with one another & with me. It's about all the things I denied myself when I was younger because they were "silly" or "childish" & spending money on experiences that will make me happy even if other people might judge me for them.
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Post by scrapmaven on Oct 24, 2024 15:23:20 GMT
jeremysgirl, I am honored to support you. Thank you. After a very traumatic and chaotic childhood I was 20 and stuck w/anxiety, depression, thinking that things would never improve. When I sought therapy, I was asked the following questions: What will it take to be whole? How will I know when I get there? What do I think will happen? Meds weren't a thing at that time. So, I worked my ass off to try to be happy. I had always been a happier person, but I was missing internal joy. Things continued to be a struggle due to factors outside my control and at some point, I was just living day to day and not allowing myself to have fun, thus feeling ripped off and overwhelmed. The weirdest part is that I finally started enjoying my life when I put the shoulds on a shelf. When I stopped feeling guilty for having fun when I could be vacuuming. KWIM? I have limited energy, so I have to make choices daily about how to spend my energy. DH retired last winter. For the first time in my life I'm having fun. I enjoy time most days and I'm not pressuring myself to do something important for the house or family. My house is clean, I cook dinners for dh, though he eats leftovers, so I don't have to cook every night. My answers: I'm as whole as I'll ever be. It looks like normal life. Happiness looks like my current life. Turns out the answer to those 3 questions was simple and all w/in my control. It took work to get there and lots of it. You need time just for yourself to do something that fulfills you. You also need a housekeeper even if it's part time. You both work full time, so budget a housekeeper and take a big thing off of your to-do list. Start internally. You can't change anyone, but yourself. If your dh won't enjoy life w/you then find solo activities that you enjoy. Don't wait until you're older to have "me" time. Start now. Put yourself first and find reasons to be happy.
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Post by katlady on Oct 24, 2024 16:49:28 GMT
Try to find some time for yourself. See if you can get help with some of the things you have to do now around the house. Hire someone if you have to. As for happiness, I agree with others that happiness is a moment, not a sustained feeling. I strive for peaceful contentment, and the moments of joy and happiness will happen. I know it is easy to say, but I try not to sweat the small stuff. And no longer having kids at home makes finding contentment so much easier. . And I don't look at a lot of social media content that shows what a "happy" life should look like.
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Post by quietgirl on Oct 25, 2024 2:30:19 GMT
I went through a really rough time about 12 years ago. I was ill, I still am, that won't change, but I wasn't really dealing. My daughter was 8 and my boys around 13. I had a plan, all.worked out timed for my homecare RN to find me. And I just...couldn't do it. 8 and 13. I had left them letters, plus letters to a couple of people I care about that care about my children. I just didnt. It took time, a lot of time, but I started noticing things around me. I had a moment of utter joy last summer when I saw an American Gold finch bird at a local park, I'd never seen 1 before. The sun cheers me. My walks, my kids, even though now they are older. My reading, a couple of good friends. Im content. I've learned to appreciate very small things, very small moments. They might even sound stupid to someone else, and that's ok. But I notice everything. And it all means the world to me.
I'd held on to those letters for a very long time. I'd kept them as a reminder. But last year I destroyed them. It was time. I know this really isn't advice. I don't really know if I can give that. But I wanted to share this in the hopes that maybe it would help. I also learned to let go of hurt, past, childhood stuff. I keep certain people at arms length. Its not perfect, and its not easy. Im very self conscious of my appearance, and tend to avoid crowds or functions . I do still have issues. But I get by.
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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on Oct 25, 2024 3:31:20 GMT
Happiness looks like my current life. This sentence speaks to me. I am so happy and content with my current life, even if there is an occasional curve ball. I want to do a page in my journal and book, with this sentence as the prompt. I am thinking so many thoughts all at once.....about what I love about my current life.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Oct 25, 2024 18:30:01 GMT
My therapist asks what makes you happy. I really couldn't tell her. I have things I enjoy I guess - scrapbooking (which I never actually have time to do), reading, watching movies, but is that it? What makes people happy? What makes you happy? What do you find joy and wonder in? What do happy people do exactly? My therapist is also telling me to start to notice the good things that happen. So I'm trying at work to give more positive feedback, instill pride in the team, brag on their accomplishments. But it feel so hollow. I mean...it's their job. They are doing their job. I need to throw a parade for that? (Again - I know this is a me-problem). Then I look at my family. I'm really supposed to gush when the trash gets taken out? Really? I this just a fake it till you make it exercise? "Happy" is such a big, vague word... I hate how it's overused nowadays (IMO, anyway). I agree with others who have said it's not so much about 'happy' as a perpetual state of mind, but more of a 'moment-by-moment' thing. And for me it's more about JOY than HAPPY. I find joy in small things, like these:- when the dog flops over on his back so I can skritch his belly (and I find a skritchy spot that makes him scratch, lol).
- when I find a bird feather on the ground walking from the garage to the house (there's a neat website I found called 'feather atlas' where you can see photos, so you can possibly ID them)
- when I'm doing something I enjoy (cross-stitching, sewing, etc.) and things are going really good- no mistakes, etc.- and I realize an hour has passed and I had no idea. I *LOVE* being in a 'flow state' where my brain is totally turned off to everything except what I'm doing. For me it can be weeding, stitching, reading, a lot of things... it just depends.
- when my DH sees a bird outside and says 'hey, what's that? get the binoculars!' because that means my love of nature is rubbing off on him.
I can find something small, interesting thing even while doing the most mundane of tasks- I will see a cool-looking rock in the gravel driveway while I'm outside waiting for the dogs to poop... how's that for mundane? lol.
But those are MOMENTS, not an 'always' state of mind. I try to notice the moments because there are things about 'adulting' that really do suck...
One other comment about your OP: You wrote that 'noticing when good things happen' means for you that you praise your coworkers when they do their job well, or 'gush' when the trash gets taken out... what good thing did you see that was only about YOU? Did the trash getting taken out mean YOU didn't have to do it? That's kinda good, right? Was there a nice sunrise during your commute to work? Even in your 'noticing good things' you still made it about the OTHER person... which is nice (for them, lol), but maybe look to see if you can turn it around and see what was good for YOU about those things.
finding small moments / noticing small things - so you can reflect on them later, even if you don't recognize them while they're happening - could be a start.
ETA: my DH is totally a 'glass mostly empty' person, and I am a glass-half-full person... he doesn't know what makes him 'happy' etiher, and says he doesn't know if he ever has been happy, or could be happy. (he's working with a counselor on some stuff, now... which is HUGE for him). But for him, instead of 'what makes you happy?' I will ask 'when do you feel CONTENT' instead. He is content when we're relaxing on the deck with a cigar; when the bills are all paid and the kitchen is totally clean... there are small moments even for him, too.
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Post by cindytred on Oct 26, 2024 1:37:45 GMT
I packed up all my stuff and hit the road - moved out of state - let those pigs wallow in their slop. My XH was a drunk - the kids were grown and selfish and rude. I was so depressed I couldn't get out of bed. I moved out of state and started my own life - my way. After 6 years I now live in a house I bought with my 2 cats. The house is decorated how I like it - clean - and peaceful. It took awhile to find friends, but I found my tribe. I love my life now. I miss my family - I see my adult children a couple of times a year and talk to them weekly. I don't date - don't want to. I am done shape-shifting into who other people want me to be. I love my life now.
Cindy
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 26, 2024 3:08:10 GMT
My friend and I have talked about this recently as well. We are both in our late forties and feeling less content with life more often. I know that for myself I generally feel more down about life (including a lot of the things you mentioned) when I am in certain parts of my cycle and that has worsened lately. That isn't to say that you don't have legitimate concerns but just to say that changing hormones can play a part in our mood during perimenopause so that might be something to look at.
When your therapist suggested looking for the positive, was she talking about general gratitude and noticing positive things about life? Or focusing on praising your family and coworkers for their sake, rather than your own? I think there can be value in doing the latter in order to motivate them to do more of what it is that you want, but for yourself focusing on positive things in life can help change mindset. Things like noticing the pretty sunset, or acknowledging the beautiful leaves, or having a tasty breakfast, or whatever it is that you are grateful for or notice throughout the day that bring you little bits of joy. It seems simple but can have significant impact on mood and outlook.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Oct 26, 2024 14:38:35 GMT
One of the things you said in your first post was that you don't have time to do scrapbooking or things that you enjoy. Later on you say you want your husband to start working part-time so that he can work on himself. If that is an option for him, is it an option for you? Can you not work part-time so you have more time for yourself? It may not be feasible, maybe you're the breadwinner. Maybe your job doesn't allow you to work part-time. I'm not asking for an answer. I'm just wondering if that's something for you to think about.
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