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Post by Merge on Oct 30, 2024 15:05:05 GMT
Another young mother dead due to to Trump’s abortion bans. Doctors left to balance doing their job with the omnipresent risk of prosecution and potentially having their life ruined by an activist DA or the state AG. Oh, they say, there are exceptions for these cases! The law in Texas now has an exception for the life of the mother, but because the laws were written by politicians and church people rather than by doctors, there is no guidance on how close a woman must be to death before doctors can end her pregnancy. Thus women are sent home or held in the hospital to suffer and develop sepsis to minimally prolong the life of a fetus already doomed to die. Women are disposable in Trump’s America. And in the America of the christo-fascist GOP. Perhaps you don’t like abortion, and that’s fine. But bans kill women. Medical decisions need to be made by doctors and their patients, not by legislators and judges. x.com/jessicavalenti/status/1851627841860895045?s=46&t=5ZPLoWY3enez0Oe8WYfajwRead the whole thread and the article. |
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Post by katlady on Oct 30, 2024 15:36:56 GMT
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Post by pinklady on Oct 30, 2024 15:39:50 GMT
Women need to get the hell out of these states whatever the cost. Their lives are literally on the line.  |
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Post by Merge on Oct 30, 2024 15:46:00 GMT
They've been warned by our state AG that they face prosecution if the state or county feels like questioning their medical judgement. Not just prosecution - having their name in the paper for ending a pregnancy will bring down all kinds of right-wing wackos on them. They may face death threats, vandalism, and other "consequences" from those folks. The hospital they work for may decide they don't need the negative publicity and legal costs and let go of them. And if prosecution goes forward, they face legal costs, extensive time off work, maybe spending time in pre-trial holding (jail), and possibly having their malpractice insurer drop them as a client. These are regular human beings with families and mortgages. They didn't sign up to throw their lives away because a lot of people in this country hate women. So let's not focus on the medical staff here. They've been put in an untenable position. Focus your rage on the state and national legislators and judges who have inserted themselves into every woman's pregnancy to overrule her doctor's medical judgement. THEY are the reason Josseli died - they and the people who voted for them. |
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Post by Merge on Oct 30, 2024 15:49:19 GMT
Women need to get the hell out of these states whatever the cost. Their lives are literally on the line. Blaming the medical staff, blaming the women themselves ... let's put the blame on the right wing legislators and the people who voted for them. That's who's at fault here. No victim blaming. That's just pouring more hate on women who may not have the choices you have. |
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Post by epeanymous on Oct 30, 2024 15:50:40 GMT
I had my first two babies in SC. You could not pay me to be pregnant in a state like that with an abortion ban.
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Post by dawnnikol on Oct 30, 2024 16:11:15 GMT
Fuck all of those pR0-liFe, lying pieces of trash.
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Post by sueg on Oct 30, 2024 16:29:31 GMT
Every time I read about one of these cases it makes me so mad. They make statements like these:
when every sane person knows that, if the mother dies, so does the baby. We end up with two dead, instead of just one, as the baby would have died any way
And they are such hypocrites
because we all know that once the child is born, they are not protected. What has been done to protect all those 'children with a heartbeat' who have been killed in school shootings?
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Post by pinklady on Oct 30, 2024 16:49:44 GMT
Women need to get the hell out of these states whatever the cost. Their lives are literally on the line. Blaming the medical staff, blaming the women themselves ... let's put the blame on the right wing legislators and the people who voted for them. That's who's at fault here. No victim blaming. That's just pouring more hate on women who may not have the choices you have. I didn't blame anyone but if that makes you feel superior, call it whatever you want. I stand by what I said. As a mother of daughters, I sure hope you are telling them to get the hell out of Texas as fast as possible. I mean their lives are literally at stake. |
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Post by Merge on Oct 30, 2024 18:02:51 GMT
Blaming the medical staff, blaming the women themselves ... let's put the blame on the right wing legislators and the people who voted for them. That's who's at fault here. No victim blaming. That's just pouring more hate on women who may not have the choices you have. I didn't blame anyone but if that makes you feel superior, call it whatever you want. I stand by what I said. As a mother of daughters, I sure hope you are telling them to get the hell out of Texas as fast as possible. I mean their lives are literally at stake. You are absolutely blaming the victims here. No superiority about it. You're in the wrong on this one. Do better. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 30, 2024 18:12:17 GMT
They are only pro-birth. Some even said that on tv the other day! They are dropping all the programs to help women, babies and families.
They have it in the works that there is another woman who will step in and take the place of the deceased one..
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Post by littlemama on Oct 30, 2024 18:40:41 GMT
I hope her family sues the fuck out of the hospital and the state
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 30, 2024 18:43:48 GMT
Republicans make all kinds of excuses and promises about exceptions, protecting the life of the mother and not prosecuting women. Not surprisingly, they are not holding up any of that. In reality in Texas, there are no exceptions. And this was pre-Roe, but they are prosecuting women for miscarriages. In this case, it was definitely personal - the police officer was too close to the case and not at all objective. www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2024/abortion-law-nevada-arrest-miscarriage/?itid=hp_national_p006_f002In rare and often little-noticed cases, authorities have drawn on other laws to charge women accused of trying to end their pregnancies. Some prosecutors in both red and blue states have used sweeping statutes entirely unrelated to abortion — like child abuse, improper disposal of remains or murder — while others have relied on criminal laws written to protect a fetus. In Nevada, Frazier would eventually be charged with manslaughter under a unique 1911 law that supplements the state’s abortion restrictions, titled “taking drugs to terminate pregnancy.”
As in Frazier’s case, women who are prosecuted are typically accused of trying to end pregnancies without the help of a medical professional — a method frequently chosen because they live far from an abortion clinic and can’t afford to get to one. These prosecutions also often occur when women are thought to be relatively far along in pregnancy, near or past the point when a fetus could potentially survive outside of the womb.
Based on a review of hundreds of documents, hours of body-cam footage and interviews with those involved, a Post investigation of Frazier’s case offers new insight into the messy complexities and intensely personal emotions embedded within such a prosecution. From the start, deep moral questions loomed over a local justice system as it struggled to distinguish a miscarriage from an abortion, a fetus from a baby — culminating in a conviction one judge would ultimately characterize as “a total miscarriage of justice.”
At the time of Barnica’s miscarriage in 2021, the Supreme Court had not yet overturned the constitutional right to terminate a pregnancy. But Texas lawmakers, intent on being the first to enact a ban with teeth, had already passed a harsh civil law using a novel legal strategy that circumvented Roe v. Wade: It prohibited doctors from performing an abortion after six weeks by giving members of the public incentives to sue doctors for $10,000 judgments. The bounty also applied to anyone who “aided and abetted” an abortion.
A year later, after the Dobbs v. Jackson ruling was handed down, an even stricter criminal law went into effect, threatening doctors with up to 99 years in prison and $100,000 in fines.
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Post by amom23 on Oct 30, 2024 18:53:46 GMT
I didn't blame anyone but if that makes you feel superior, call it whatever you want. I stand by what I said. As a mother of daughters, I sure hope you are telling them to get the hell out of Texas as fast as possible. I mean their lives are literally at stake. You are absolutely blaming the victims here. No superiority about it. You're in the wrong on this one. Do better. I don't think she was blaming anyone.  |
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Post by pilcas on Oct 30, 2024 23:17:31 GMT
It is not a matter of victim blaming but what I consider good advice. One never thinks some things will happen to them until they do. Not everybody can uproot themselves but just like people move for work or family this is a valid reason for considering relocation.
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Post by peabay on Oct 30, 2024 23:19:26 GMT
These fuckers make me want to scream.
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Post by cindosha on Oct 30, 2024 23:41:30 GMT
If you would have done simple research, you would have found that she died three days after the doctors delivered her miscarried child, and she died nine months before Roe v. Wade was overturned. You make it sound like she just died recently and it was Trumps fault, which is bullshit.
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 30, 2024 23:51:12 GMT
If you would have done simple research, you would have found that she died three days after the doctors delivered her miscarried child, and she died nine months before Roe v. Wade was overturned. You make it sound like she just died recently and it was Trumps fault, which is bullshit. No, I think you're the one with mis/disinformation that needs to do simple research. She died because of a Texas abortion ban that the conservative justices on the Supreme Court, including the 3 that Trump appointed, upheld the Texas ban before they overturned Roe. The conservative justices left the ban in place and this poor woman died as a result. She died of an infection because the doctors had to wait until a heartbeat could no longer be detected. The bigger piece that you're missing is the simple fact that no government should dictate or determine women's reproductive care. The woman and her doctor or health care providers are the only ones who are qualified to make those decisions and only women and their doctors should be involved in making health care decisions. I don't care what your own personal values, morals, ethics, religious views etc are. Nothing gives you the right to impose those values on someone else. You and the government need to stay out of womens' health care choices and decisions. The government or more specifically, Republican politicians or judges with zero medical knowledge, should not be interfering and making health care decisions for women. www.propublica.org/article/josseli-barnica-death-miscarriage-texas-abortion-banBut Texas’ new abortion ban had just gone into effect. It required physicians to confirm the absence of a fetal heartbeat before intervening unless there was a “medical emergency,” which the law did not define. It required doctors to make written notes on the patient’s condition and the reason abortion was necessary.
The law did not account for the possibility of a future emergency, one that could develop in hours or days without intervention, doctors told ProPublica.
Barnica was technically still stable. But lying in the hospital with her cervix open wider than a baseball left her uterus exposed to bacteria and placed her at high risk of developing sepsis, experts told ProPublica. Infections can move fast and be hard to control once they take hold.
Abortion bans put doctors in an impossible position, she said, forcing them to decide whether to risk malpractice or a felony charge. After her state enacted one of the strictest bans in the country, she also waited to offer interventions in cases like Barnica’s until the fetal heartbeat stopped or patients showed signs of infection, praying every time that nothing would go wrong. It’s why she ultimately moved to Colorado. |
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Post by cindosha on Oct 30, 2024 23:54:31 GMT
Nothing I said was wrong.
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 31, 2024 0:01:38 GMT
It's not bullshit that Trump is at fault. Trump is directly responsible for appointing 3 conservative justices who upheld the Texas ban.
I can see that any discussion with you is absolutely a waste of time.
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Post by cindosha on Oct 31, 2024 0:15:18 GMT
It's not bullshit that Trump is at fault. Trump is directly responsible for appointing 3 conservative justices who upheld the Texas ban. I can see that any discussion with you is absolutely a waste of time. Haha….Ditto. The fact that almost everyone on this thread thinks this is a recent story is typical. Again, nothing I said was untrue. |
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 31, 2024 0:38:26 GMT
It's not bullshit that Trump is at fault. Trump is directly responsible for appointing 3 conservative justices who upheld the Texas ban. I can see that any discussion with you is absolutely a waste of time. Haha….Ditto. The fact that almost everyone on this thread thinks this is a recent story is typical. Again, nothing I said was untrue. Josseli Barnica died in 2021 but there are other women who died more recently. All deaths that were completely preventable. It's not an accident that maternal and infant mortality rates have gone up since Roe was overturned. Regrettably, more women will die unnecessarily until abortion bans are overturned. The tragic stories of Josseli Barnica, Amber Nicole Thurman and Candi Miller are all very relevant and recent to people who care about womens' reproductive care and rights. And timely because of the election. The article mentions other women who have died because of Republican abortion bans. www.propublica.org/article/josseli-barnica-death-miscarriage-texas-abortion-banLast month, ProPublica told the stories of two Georgia women, Amber Thurman and Candi Miller, whose deaths were deemed “preventable” by the state’s maternal mortality review committee after they were unable to access legal abortions and timely medical care amid an abortion ban.www.propublica.org/article/candi-miller-abortion-ban-death-georgiawww.propublica.org/article/georgia-abortion-ban-amber-thurman-death |
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Post by cindosha on Oct 31, 2024 0:48:00 GMT
Haha….Ditto. The fact that almost everyone on this thread thinks this is a recent story is typical. Again, nothing I said was untrue. Josseli Barnica died in 2021 but there are other women who died more recently. All deaths that were completely preventable. It's not an accident that maternal and infant mortality rates have gone up since Roe was overturned. Regrettably, more women will die unnecessarily until abortion bans are overturned. The tragic stories of Josseli Barnica, Amber Nicole Thurman and Candi Miller are all very relevant and recent to people who care about womens' reproductive care and rights. And timely because of the election. The article mentions other women who have died because of Republican abortion bans. www.propublica.org/article/josseli-barnica-death-miscarriage-texas-abortion-banLast month, ProPublica told the stories of two Georgia women, Amber Thurman and Candi Miller, whose deaths were deemed “preventable” by the state’s maternal mortality review committee after they were unable to access legal abortions and timely medical care amid an abortion ban.www.propublica.org/article/candi-miller-abortion-ban-death-georgiawww.propublica.org/article/georgia-abortion-ban-amber-thurman-deathExcept the post wasn’t about the other women. It was about Barnica. And the fact that people in this thread believed that this was a recent death without doing a little research. You are deflecting. Blatantly. Also, I thought I wasn’t worth engaging with, but here you are. 🤔 |
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Post by Merge on Oct 31, 2024 0:59:01 GMT
If you would have done simple research, you would have found that she died three days after the doctors delivered her miscarried child, and she died nine months before Roe v. Wade was overturned. You make it sound like she just died recently and it was Trumps fault, which is bullshit. Hi. Thanks for weighing in. A couple of points. I didn't say it happened recently. That's not even relevant. If you read the article (did you? "simple research" starts with that), you'll see that this death has been recently brought to light by people doing research on maternal deaths since Texas' abortion ban. The state has no mechanism to record such deaths, so researchers have to look at all maternal deaths and then do further research to find out if they died because they were refused an abortion. Yes, it took her three days to die of sepsis after her dead fetus was delivered. I assume you don't bring that up to negate the fact that she did, indeed, die of sepsis that started when she was left untreated with an incomplete miscarriage. If it was up to the state of Texas, believe me, all these deaths would be swept under the rug. And I can guarantee you that more will come to light as researchers sift through the data. Second, perhaps you're not aware, but Texas passed a six-week abortion ban *before* Roe v. Wade was overturned. It was in effect when Josseli Barnica died, and it was that ban that caused the hospital to refuse to treat her. The Texas lege felt confident in passing this ban as a test case, because the mechanism for enforcement was through private citizens being able to sue, and because Trump had put into place Supreme Court justices who would likely be sympathetic to anti-choice legislation if legal challenges went that far. So yes, Trump indirectly (and Abbott, Patrick, Paxton and the rest of the TX GOP) are responsible for Josseli's death. As is every voter who helped put any of them into office. I hope you're proud of yourself. Since Roe was overturned, we now have a trigger law total ban from the moment of conception, without any exceptions for rape or incest. The life of the mother "exception" continues to be written so vaguely that doctors don't know how close a woman has to be to death before they can end her pregnancy. So women continue to die. Thanks again for that. |
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Post by cindosha on Oct 31, 2024 1:14:36 GMT
If you would have done simple research, you would have found that she died three days after the doctors delivered her miscarried child, and she died nine months before Roe v. Wade was overturned. You make it sound like she just died recently and it was Trumps fault, which is bullshit. Hi. Thanks for weighing in. A couple of points. I didn't say it happened recently. If you read the article (did you?), you'll see that this death has been recently brought to light by people doing research on maternal deaths since Texas' abortion ban. The state has no mechanism to record such deaths, so researchers have to look at all maternal deaths and then do further research to find out if they died because they were refused an abortion. If it was up to the state of Texas, believe me, all these deaths would be swept under the rug. And I can guarantee you that more will come to light as researchers sift through the data. Second, perhaps you're not aware, but Texas passed a six-week abortion ban *before* Roe v. Wade was overturned. It was in effect when Josseli Barnica died, and it was that ban that caused the hospital to refuse to treat her. The Texas lege felt confident in passing this ban as a test case, because the mechanism for enforcement was through private citizens being able to sue, and because Trump had put into place Supreme Court justices who would likely be sympathetic to anti-choice legislation if legal challenges went that far. So yes, Trump indirectly (and Abbott, Patrick, Paxton and the rest of the TX GOP) are responsible for Josseli's death. As is every voter who helped put any of them into office. I hope you’re proud of yourself. She had the d & c for miscarriage in a timely fashion. So the hospital did not refuse to treat her. She had fetal tissue left which caused sepsis. Which caused her death. Could it possibly be medical malpractice? Possibly. Nobody knows at this point since it happened 3 years ago. Anybody can be INDIRECTLY responsible for ANYONES death. It doesn’t mean that Trump or his supporters are responsible for this woman’s death. I’m not responsible for that woman’s death any more than you are. You are really reaching on that one. |
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Post by Merge on Oct 31, 2024 1:18:30 GMT
Hi. Thanks for weighing in. A couple of points. I didn't say it happened recently. If you read the article (did you?), you'll see that this death has been recently brought to light by people doing research on maternal deaths since Texas' abortion ban. The state has no mechanism to record such deaths, so researchers have to look at all maternal deaths and then do further research to find out if they died because they were refused an abortion. If it was up to the state of Texas, believe me, all these deaths would be swept under the rug. And I can guarantee you that more will come to light as researchers sift through the data. Second, perhaps you're not aware, but Texas passed a six-week abortion ban *before* Roe v. Wade was overturned. It was in effect when Josseli Barnica died, and it was that ban that caused the hospital to refuse to treat her. The Texas lege felt confident in passing this ban as a test case, because the mechanism for enforcement was through private citizens being able to sue, and because Trump had put into place Supreme Court justices who would likely be sympathetic to anti-choice legislation if legal challenges went that far. So yes, Trump indirectly (and Abbott, Patrick, Paxton and the rest of the TX GOP) are responsible for Josseli's death. As is every voter who helped put any of them into office. I hope you’re proud of yourself. She had the d & c for miscarriage in a timely fashion. So the hospital did not refuse to treat her. She had fetal tissue left which caused sepsis. Which caused her death. Could it possibly be medical malpractice? Possibly. Nobody knows at this point since it happened 3 years ago. Anybody can be INDIRECTLY responsible for ANYONES death. It doesn’t mean that Trump or his supporters are responsible for this woman’s death. I’m not responsible for that woman’s death any more than you are. You are really reaching on that one. I think you're confusing this with another case. She had to wait 40 hours until the heartbeat stopped before they treated her. The sepsis started because her cervix was dilated almost fully for all that time, fetus still inside the uterus, and they sent her home. We do know exactly what happened and how it happened because it's right there in her medical records. I understand why you don't want to take responsibility for voting in the folks who have allowed this to happen. It must be hard to face the consequences of your actions. Consequences we've been warning you about for years. Yes, you are personally responsible for voting in people whose religious zeal in lawmaking is causing women to die. You, and every other Trump and Republican voter. Look in the mirror and own it, if you're not too much of a coward. |
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Post by cindosha on Oct 31, 2024 1:58:23 GMT
She had the d & c for miscarriage in a timely fashion. So the hospital did not refuse to treat her. She had fetal tissue left which caused sepsis. Which caused her death. Could it possibly be medical malpractice? Possibly. Nobody knows at this point since it happened 3 years ago. Anybody can be INDIRECTLY responsible for ANYONES death. It doesn’t mean that Trump or his supporters are responsible for this woman’s death. I’m not responsible for that woman’s death any more than you are. You are really reaching on that one. I think you're confusing this with another case. She had to wait 40 hours until the heartbeat stopped before they treated her. The sepsis started because her cervix was dilated almost fully for all that time, fetus still inside the uterus, and they sent her home. We do know exactly what happened and how it happened because it's right there in her medical records. I understand why you don't want to take responsibility for voting in the folks who have allowed this to happen. It must be hard to face the consequences of your actions. Consequences we've been warning you about for years. Yes, you are personally responsible for voting in people whose religious zeal in lawmaking is causing women to die. You, and every other Trump and Republican voter. Look in the mirror and own it, if you're not too much of a coward. the article clearly states that r v w was still federal law. At the time of Barnica’s hopsital stay, Roe v Wade was still federal law. Since no state or state officials could bring litigation under the Texas Heartbeat Act — a civil law — it didn’t conflict with Roe, which enshrined the consitutional right to an abortion.
It wasn’t until the following summer that the Supreme Court overturned the five-decade-old ruling. That’s when Texas’ trigger law went into effect, making abortion illegal and threatening prison time for physicians who perform the procedure. That has led to other patients sharing horror stories about how the laws have impacted thier lives. Some have fled the state to have abortions elsewhere. Others talked about not being able to get care.The number of women who die due to not being able to get an abortion is negligible since d & c for miscarriage and abortion (which is the removal/death of an live viable pregnancy) are two entirely different procedures. The number of babies killed by abortion is astounding. So, no I don’t have a problem with an abortion “ban”. Which by the way wasn’t banned by Trump. He sent it back to the states. AND Trump acknowledged abortion is ok in the case of rape and incest. You do know, don’t you, that they were giving out free abortions at the dnc. So I really don’t want to hear the argument about an abortion ban. I look in the mirror and am confident that I’m not a hypocrite. And that I don’t condone the killing of babies. 🤷🏻♀️ |
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 31, 2024 2:26:38 GMT
I think you're confusing this with another case. She had to wait 40 hours until the heartbeat stopped before they treated her. The sepsis started because her cervix was dilated almost fully for all that time, fetus still inside the uterus, and they sent her home. We do know exactly what happened and how it happened because it's right there in her medical records. I understand why you don't want to take responsibility for voting in the folks who have allowed this to happen. It must be hard to face the consequences of your actions. Consequences we've been warning you about for years. Yes, you are personally responsible for voting in people whose religious zeal in lawmaking is causing women to die. You, and every other Trump and Republican voter. Look in the mirror and own it, if you're not too much of a coward. the article clearly states that r v w was still federal law. At the time of Barnica’s hopsital stay, Roe v Wade was still federal law. Since no state or state officials could bring litigation under the Texas Heartbeat Act — a civil law — it didn’t conflict with Roe, which enshrined the consitutional right to an abortion.
It wasn’t until the following summer that the Supreme Court overturned the five-decade-old ruling. That’s when Texas’ trigger law went into effect, making abortion illegal and threatening prison time for physicians who perform the procedure. That has led to other patients sharing horror stories about how the laws have impacted thier lives. Some have fled the state to have abortions elsewhere. Others talked about not being able to get care.The number of women who die due to not being able to get an abortion is negligible since d & c for miscarriage and abortion (which is the removal/death of an live viable pregnancy) are two entirely different procedures. The number of babies killed by abortion is astounding. So, no I don’t have a problem with an abortion “ban”. Which by the way wasn’t banned by Trump. He sent it back to the states. AND Trump acknowledged abortion is ok in the case of rape and incest. You do know, don’t you, that they were giving out free abortions at the dnc. So I really don’t want to hear the argument about an abortion ban. I look in the mirror and am confident that I’m not a hypocrite. And that I don’t condone the killing of babies. 🤷🏻♀️ I'm not sure why I'm bothering but you clearly don't get it. 40 hours is hardly a timely fashion. That's how long Josseli Barnica had to wait before doctors could perform the procedure and why she died 3 days later. The abortion bans are deliberately written in vague terms and consequently, doctors are afraid to act. It doesn't matter if a woman is having complications from an abortion or a miscarriage, the Texas fetal heartbeat law and others do not distinguish. It also doesn't matter that she died before Roe was overturned. She died because of Texas Republicans and Trump's conservative justices who upheld the Texas abortion ban. Sadly, her death was most likely preventable and there's a good chance she would have survived if she was in a state that protects womens' reproductive care and rights. Regrettably, more women will die until the abortion bans are overturned. www.propublica.org/article/josseli-barnica-death-miscarriage-texas-abortion-banBut when Barnica’s husband rushed to her side from his job on a construction site, she relayed what she said the medical team had told her: “They had to wait until there was no heartbeat,” he told ProPublica in Spanish. “It would be a crime to give her an abortion.”
For 40 hours, the anguished 28-year-old mother prayed for doctors to help her get home to her daughter; all the while, her uterus remained exposed to bacteria.
Three days after she delivered, Barnica died of an infection.
Barnica is one of at least two Texas women who ProPublica found lost their lives after doctors delayed treating miscarriages, which fall into a gray area under the state’s strict abortion laws that prohibit doctors from ending the heartbeat of a fetus.
Neither had wanted an abortion, but that didn’t matter. Though proponents insist that the laws protect both the life of the fetus and the person carrying it, in practice, doctors have hesitated to provide care under threat of prosecution, prison time and professional ruin.
After reviewing the four-page summary, which included the timeline of care noted in hospital records, all agreed that requiring Barnica to wait to deliver until after there was no detectable fetal heartbeat violated professional medical standards because it could allow time for an aggressive infection to take hold. They said there was a good chance she would have survived if she was offered an intervention earlier.
“If this was Massachusetts or Ohio, she would have had that delivery within a couple hours,” said Dr. Susan Mann, a national patient safety expert in obstetric care who teaches at Harvard University. |
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Post by cindosha on Oct 31, 2024 2:51:05 GMT
www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/texas-woman-dies-miscarriage-laws-b2638330.html. the article clearly states that r v w was still federal law. At the time of Barnica’s hopsital stay, Roe v Wade was still federal law. Since no state or state officials could bring litigation under the Texas Heartbeat Act — a civil law — it didn’t conflict with Roe, which enshrined the consitutional right to an abortion.
It wasn’t until the following summer that the Supreme Court overturned the five-decade-old ruling. That’s when Texas’ trigger law went into effect, making abortion illegal and threatening prison time for physicians who perform the procedure. That has led to other patients sharing horror stories about how the laws have impacted thier lives. Some have fled the state to have abortions elsewhere. Others talked about not being able to get care.The number of women who die due to not being able to get an abortion is negligible since d & c for miscarriage and abortion (which is the removal/death of an live viable pregnancy) are two entirely different procedures. The number of babies killed by abortion is astounding. So, no I don’t have a problem with an abortion “ban”. Which by the way wasn’t banned by Trump. He sent it back to the states. AND Trump acknowledged abortion is ok in the case of rape and incest. You do know, don’t you, that they were giving out free abortions at the dnc. So I really don’t want to hear the argument about an abortion ban. I look in the mirror and am confident that I’m not a hypocrite. And that I don’t condone the killing of babies. 🤷🏻♀️ I'm not sure why I'm bothering but you clearly don't get it. 40 hours is hardly a timely fashion. That's how long Josseli Barnica had to wait before doctors could perform the procedure and why she died 3 days later. The abortion bans are deliberately written in vague terms and consequently, doctors are afraid to act. It doesn't matter if a woman is having complications from an abortion or a miscarriage, the Texas fetal heartbeat law and others do not distinguish. It also doesn't matter that she died before Roe was overturned. She died because of Texas Republicans and Trump's conservative justices who upheld the Texas abortion ban. Sadly, her death was most likely preventable and there's a good chance she would have survived if she was in a state that protects womens' reproductive care and rights. Regrettably, more women will die until the abortion bans are overturned. www.propublica.org/article/josseli-barnica-death-miscarriage-texas-abortion-banBut when Barnica’s husband rushed to her side from his job on a construction site, she relayed what she said the medical team had told her: “They had to wait until there was no heartbeat,” he told ProPublica in Spanish. “It would be a crime to give her an abortion.”
For 40 hours, the anguished 28-year-old mother prayed for doctors to help her get home to her daughter; all the while, her uterus remained exposed to bacteria.
Three days after she delivered, Barnica died of an infection.
Barnica is one of at least two Texas women who ProPublica found lost their lives after doctors delayed treating miscarriages, which fall into a gray area under the state’s strict abortion laws that prohibit doctors from ending the heartbeat of a fetus.
Neither had wanted an abortion, but that didn’t matter. Though proponents insist that the laws protect both the life of the fetus and the person carrying it, in practice, doctors have hesitated to provide care under threat of prosecution, prison time and professional ruin.
After reviewing the four-page summary, which included the timeline of care noted in hospital records, all agreed that requiring Barnica to wait to deliver until after there was no detectable fetal heartbeat violated professional medical standards because it could allow time for an aggressive infection to take hold. They said there was a good chance she would have survived if she was offered an intervention earlier.
“If this was Massachusetts or Ohio, she would have had that delivery within a couple hours,” said Dr. Susan Mann, a national patient safety expert in obstetric care who teaches at Harvard University.Abortion wasn’t “banned” at that time so the point is moot. It sounds like the doctor didn’t clean her completely and that’s why she got septic. It also sounds like the doctor could have done things differently without legal interference but he didn’t. Medical malpractice??? Sounds like it to me. For 40 hours, the anguished 28-year-old mother prayed for doctors to help her get home to her daughter; all the while, her uterus remained exposed to bacteria. Sounds like pretty subjective journalism. |
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Post by Merge on Oct 31, 2024 2:51:28 GMT
I think you're confusing this with another case. She had to wait 40 hours until the heartbeat stopped before they treated her. The sepsis started because her cervix was dilated almost fully for all that time, fetus still inside the uterus, and they sent her home. We do know exactly what happened and how it happened because it's right there in her medical records. I understand why you don't want to take responsibility for voting in the folks who have allowed this to happen. It must be hard to face the consequences of your actions. Consequences we've been warning you about for years. Yes, you are personally responsible for voting in people whose religious zeal in lawmaking is causing women to die. You, and every other Trump and Republican voter. Look in the mirror and own it, if you're not too much of a coward. the article clearly states that r v w was still federal law. At the time of Barnica’s hopsital stay, Roe v Wade was still federal law. Since no state or state officials could bring litigation under the Texas Heartbeat Act — a civil law — it didn’t conflict with Roe, which enshrined the consitutional right to an abortion.
It wasn’t until the following summer that the Supreme Court overturned the five-decade-old ruling. That’s when Texas’ trigger law went into effect, making abortion illegal and threatening prison time for physicians who perform the procedure. That has led to other patients sharing horror stories about how the laws have impacted thier lives. Some have fled the state to have abortions elsewhere. Others talked about not being able to get care.The number of women who die due to not being able to get an abortion is negligible since d & c for miscarriage and abortion (which is the removal/death of an live viable pregnancy) are two entirely different procedures. The number of babies killed by abortion is astounding. So, no I don’t have a problem with an abortion “ban”. Which by the way wasn’t banned by Trump. He sent it back to the states. AND Trump acknowledged abortion is ok in the case of rape and incest. You do know, don’t you, that they were giving out free abortions at the dnc. So I really don’t want to hear the argument about an abortion ban. I look in the mirror and am confident that I’m not a hypocrite. And that I don’t condone the killing of babies. 🤷🏻♀️ There are so many lies in this spew I don’t even know where to start. Crawl back in your hole, please. You’re disgusting. |
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