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Post by Merge on Oct 31, 2024 2:52:32 GMT
I'm not sure why I'm bothering but you clearly don't get it. 40 hours is hardly a timely fashion. That's how long Josseli Barnica had to wait before doctors could perform the procedure and why she died 3 days later. The abortion bans are deliberately written in vague terms and consequently, doctors are afraid to act. It doesn't matter if a woman is having complications from an abortion or a miscarriage, the Texas fetal heartbeat law and others do not distinguish. It also doesn't matter that she died before Roe was overturned. She died because of Texas Republicans and Trump's conservative justices who upheld the Texas abortion ban. Sadly, her death was most likely preventable and there's a good chance she would have survived if she was in a state that protects womens' reproductive care and rights. Regrettably, more women will die until the abortion bans are overturned. www.propublica.org/article/josseli-barnica-death-miscarriage-texas-abortion-banBut when Barnica’s husband rushed to her side from his job on a construction site, she relayed what she said the medical team had told her: “They had to wait until there was no heartbeat,” he told ProPublica in Spanish. “It would be a crime to give her an abortion.”
For 40 hours, the anguished 28-year-old mother prayed for doctors to help her get home to her daughter; all the while, her uterus remained exposed to bacteria.
Three days after she delivered, Barnica died of an infection.
Barnica is one of at least two Texas women who ProPublica found lost their lives after doctors delayed treating miscarriages, which fall into a gray area under the state’s strict abortion laws that prohibit doctors from ending the heartbeat of a fetus.
Neither had wanted an abortion, but that didn’t matter. Though proponents insist that the laws protect both the life of the fetus and the person carrying it, in practice, doctors have hesitated to provide care under threat of prosecution, prison time and professional ruin.
After reviewing the four-page summary, which included the timeline of care noted in hospital records, all agreed that requiring Barnica to wait to deliver until after there was no detectable fetal heartbeat violated professional medical standards because it could allow time for an aggressive infection to take hold. They said there was a good chance she would have survived if she was offered an intervention earlier.
“If this was Massachusetts or Ohio, she would have had that delivery within a couple hours,” said Dr. Susan Mann, a national patient safety expert in obstetric care who teaches at Harvard University.Abortion wasn’t “banned” at that time so the point is moot. It sounds like the doctor didn’t clean her completely and that’s why she got septic. It also sounds like the doctor could have done things differently without legal interference but he didn’t. Medical malpractice??? Sounds like it to me. For 40 hours, the anguished 28-year-old mother prayed for doctors to help her get home to her daughter; all the while, her uterus remained exposed to bacteria. Sounds like pretty subjective journalism. Did you miss the part about Texas’ six week ban before Roe was overturned? It was fully in effect at that time. No amount of prevarication absolves you here. None of this “sounds like” anything you claim here. You’re just making shit up. Liar. Liar with blood on your hands. |
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Post by lucyg on Oct 31, 2024 2:54:24 GMT
cindosha , what the f*ck is wrong with you? Stop congratulating yourself. You are wrong on just about every single point you’ve made. You may be convincing yourself and a few other diehard woman-haters, but the rest of us see you for what you are. A murderer of women and babies, and proud of yourself for it. ETA okay, on reflection, “murderer of women and babies” may be a bit overwrought. Let’s go with “willing to accept the unnecessary deaths of women and to put non-viable newborn babies through a brief, tortured life until their inevitable death” instead. All in the name of imposing your religious beliefs on other people who don’t subscribe to them. Also, willing to lie about the deaths of these women in order to assuage your own conscience. Yes, that works.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 31, 2024 3:47:24 GMT
If you would have done simple research, you would have found that she died three days after the doctors delivered her miscarried child, and she died nine months before Roe v. Wade was overturned. You make it sound like she just died recently and it was Trumps fault, which is bullshit. If you would prefer to talk about the women who have died since Roe was overturned I am sure we can do that. There have been a lot of consequences (intended and unintended) for women and families since Roe was overturned. Higher infant and maternal death rates. Doctors leaving states that have strict bans--which affects ALL women, regardless of age or whether or not they will get pregnant. Women losing their ability to have kids. Children losing their mothers. If you don't believe in abortion don't have one. But stop trying to control other women and cause all of these other issues for many. Abortion is healthcare but women's healthcare is more than just abortion. We have rights to any needed healthcare. |
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 31, 2024 3:58:12 GMT
Interesting that cindosha reappeared after a long break at the same time a "new" Trumper joined the board
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Post by cindosha on Oct 31, 2024 12:17:29 GMT
www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/texas-woman-dies-miscarriage-laws-b2638330.html. the article clearly states that r v w was still federal law. At the time of Barnica’s hopsital stay, Roe v Wade was still federal law. Since no state or state officials could bring litigation under the Texas Heartbeat Act — a civil law — it didn’t conflict with Roe, which enshrined the consitutional right to an abortion.
It wasn’t until the following summer that the Supreme Court overturned the five-decade-old ruling. That’s when Texas’ trigger law went into effect, making abortion illegal and threatening prison time for physicians who perform the procedure. That has led to other patients sharing horror stories about how the laws have impacted thier lives. Some have fled the state to have abortions elsewhere. Others talked about not being able to get care.The number of women who die due to not being able to get an abortion is negligible since d & c for miscarriage and abortion (which is the removal/death of an live viable pregnancy) are two entirely different procedures. The number of babies killed by abortion is astounding. So, no I don’t have a problem with an abortion “ban”. Which by the way wasn’t banned by Trump. He sent it back to the states. AND Trump acknowledged abortion is ok in the case of rape and incest. You do know, don’t you, that they were giving out free abortions at the dnc. So I really don’t want to hear the argument about an abortion ban. I look in the mirror and am confident that I’m not a hypocrite. And that I don’t condone the killing of babies. 🤷🏻♀️ There are so many lies in this spew I don’t even know where to start. Crawl back in your hole, please. You’re disgusting. Oh...the party of joy and unity....you represent it beautifully. And nothing is a lie. |
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Post by cindosha on Oct 31, 2024 12:18:49 GMT
Interesting that cindosha reappeared after a long break at the same time a "new" Trumper joined the board I didn't realize that it was invitation only to post on this board now....my bad  |
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Post by cindosha on Oct 31, 2024 12:38:03 GMT
If you would have done simple research, you would have found that she died three days after the doctors delivered her miscarried child, and she died nine months before Roe v. Wade was overturned. You make it sound like she just died recently and it was Trumps fault, which is bullshit. If you would prefer to talk about the women who have died since Roe was overturned I am sure we can do that. There have been a lot of consequences (intended and unintended) for women and families since Roe was overturned. Higher infant and maternal death rates. Doctors leaving states that have strict bans--which affects ALL women, regardless of age or whether or not they will get pregnant. Women losing their ability to have kids. Children losing their mothers. If you don't believe in abortion don't have one. But stop trying to control other women and cause all of these other issues for many. Abortion is healthcare but women's healthcare is more than just abortion. We have rights to any needed healthcare. Think of the number of babies that have lived because they weren't aborted...and I don't believe that abortion is "healthcare". I do believe that it is necessary in a very small amount of cases and I'm fine with that. But by definition, abortion is the removal of a live, viable pregnancy. Anything else is D & C for miscarriage or inutero/non-viable fetal death. There is a difference. And you don't have to be religious to have a moral compass. |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Oct 31, 2024 12:39:24 GMT
If you would have done simple research, you would have found that she died three days after the doctors delivered her miscarried child, and she died nine months before Roe v. Wade was overturned. You make it sound like she just died recently and it was Trumps fault, which is bullshit. If you would prefer to talk about the women who have died since Roe was overturned I am sure we can do that. There have been a lot of consequences (intended and unintended) for women and families since Roe was overturned. Higher infant and maternal death rates. Doctors leaving states that have strict bans--which affects ALL women, regardless of age or whether or not they will get pregnant. Women losing their ability to have kids. Children losing their mothers. If you don't believe in abortion don't have one. But stop trying to control other women and cause all of these other issues for many. Abortion is healthcare but women's healthcare is more than just abortion. We have rights to any needed healthcare. I agree with you 100%! This whole mess has cascaded into situations where there are now areas of the country that essentially have no women’s health care of *any* kind. According to the March of Dimes, something like 35% of counties in the U.S. are maternity deserts that lack hospitals or birthing centers and no obstetric care or providers AT ALL. This is a huge problem, especially when it’s coupled with all of these state bans. You can see on the linked map all of the areas where this is happening, and this is bad news for ALL women. www.marchofdimes.org/maternity-care-deserts-report |
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Post by cindosha on Oct 31, 2024 12:41:01 GMT
cindosha , what the f*ck is wrong with you? Stop congratulating yourself. You are wrong on just about every single point you’ve made. You may be convincing yourself and a few other diehard woman-haters, but the rest of us see you for what you are. A murderer of women and babies, and proud of yourself for it. ETA okay, on reflection, “murderer of women and babies” may be a bit overwrought. Let’s go with “willing to accept the unnecessary deaths of women and to put non-viable newborn babies through a brief, tortured life until their inevitable death” instead. All in the name of imposing your religious beliefs on other people who don’t subscribe to them. Also, willing to lie about the deaths of these women in order to assuage your own conscience. Yes, that works. No lies, just a differing viewpoint than yours. I keep forgetting there is only one viewpoint on this board and there is no room for debate. Thanks for walking back your answer though... |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 31, 2024 12:41:19 GMT
If you would prefer to talk about the women who have died since Roe was overturned I am sure we can do that. There have been a lot of consequences (intended and unintended) for women and families since Roe was overturned. Higher infant and maternal death rates. Doctors leaving states that have strict bans--which affects ALL women, regardless of age or whether or not they will get pregnant. Women losing their ability to have kids. Children losing their mothers. If you don't believe in abortion don't have one. But stop trying to control other women and cause all of these other issues for many. Abortion is healthcare but women's healthcare is more than just abortion. We have rights to any needed healthcare. I agree with you 100%! This whole mess has cascaded into situations where there are now areas of the country that essentially have no women’s health care of *any* kind. According to the March of Dimes, something like 35% of counties in the U.S. are maternity deserts that lack hospitals or birthing centers and no obstetric care or providers AT ALL. This is a huge problem, especially when it’s coupled with all of these state bans. You can see on the linked map all of the areas where this is happening, and this is bad news for ALL women. www.marchofdimes.org/maternity-care-deserts-reportI saw a post the other day that said that oncologists can be affected by these laws as well and are becoming harder to find in these states, too. |
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Post by Merge on Oct 31, 2024 12:41:37 GMT
There are so many lies in this spew I don’t even know where to start. Crawl back in your hole, please. You’re disgusting. Oh...the party of joy and unity....you represent it beautifully. And nothing is a lie. Yes! We'll have joy and unity when we vote your orange god down again and hopefully once and for all. And it's all lies. Maybe read this and do some reflecting. news.osu.edu/conservatives-more-susceptible-to-believing-falsehoods/Facts: a D&C for miscarriage is exactly the same thing as any other D&C. The thing you're missing is that most red states have outlawed performing the D&C while the already doomed fetus still has a detectable "heartbeat." And women are getting sick and sometimes dying as a result. And there were no abortions performed at the DNC. Get your head out of your ass. That just shows how susceptible you are to lies and misinformation that support your biases - just like the article shows. You have blood on your hands and you're too stupid to realize it. Pathetic. |
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Post by Merge on Oct 31, 2024 12:46:37 GMT
cindosha , what the f*ck is wrong with you? Stop congratulating yourself. You are wrong on just about every single point you’ve made. You may be convincing yourself and a few other diehard woman-haters, but the rest of us see you for what you are. A murderer of women and babies, and proud of yourself for it. ETA okay, on reflection, “murderer of women and babies” may be a bit overwrought. Let’s go with “willing to accept the unnecessary deaths of women and to put non-viable newborn babies through a brief, tortured life until their inevitable death” instead. All in the name of imposing your religious beliefs on other people who don’t subscribe to them. Also, willing to lie about the deaths of these women in order to assuage your own conscience. Yes, that works. No lies, just a differing viewpoint than yours. I keep forgetting there is only one viewpoint on this board and there is no room for debate. Thanks for walking back your answer though... We've been telling you since 2016: a "differing viewpoint" based on lies and hatred of others isn't a valid viewpoint that deserves consideration. There are no alternative facts. There's just reality. How about you wake up and join us here in reality instead of reading GOP fanfiction and forcing the rest of us to live by your fantasy "differing viewpoint." How incredibly egotistical to think that all the women in the country should have their medical decisions determined by what you are "fine with." You absolute ghoul. |
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Post by Merge on Oct 31, 2024 12:58:53 GMT
If you would prefer to talk about the women who have died since Roe was overturned I am sure we can do that. There have been a lot of consequences (intended and unintended) for women and families since Roe was overturned. Higher infant and maternal death rates. Doctors leaving states that have strict bans--which affects ALL women, regardless of age or whether or not they will get pregnant. Women losing their ability to have kids. Children losing their mothers. If you don't believe in abortion don't have one. But stop trying to control other women and cause all of these other issues for many. Abortion is healthcare but women's healthcare is more than just abortion. We have rights to any needed healthcare. Think of the number of babies that have lived because they weren't aborted...and I don't believe that abortion is "healthcare". I do believe that it is necessary in a very small amount of cases and I'm fine with that. But by definition, abortion is the removal of a live, viable pregnancy. Anything else is D & C for miscarriage or inutero/non-viable fetal death. There is a difference. And you don't have to be religious to have a moral compass. In many cases, babies born into poverty and neglect, to drug-addicted mothers, facing a life where their GOP representatives don't think they deserve adequate food, housing, or education, and refuse to do anything to improve the foster care system in which they'll likely end up. But yay, I guess? Sarah Huckabee will get her little army of child laborers to work in the poultry processing plants when Trump deports the immigrants currently doing those jobs. And that's what really matters. And you're 100% wrong about the definition of an abortion, which says nothing about the health of the pregnancy. A miscarriage is medically termed a "spontaneous abortion." Most red state bans do not differentiate between an abortion provided for a partial miscarriage and an elective abortion. All illegal. From Webster's: 1. The deliberate termination of a human pregnancy, most often performed during the first 28 weeks of pregnancy. 2. Medicine - the expulsion of a fetus from the uterus by natural causes before it is able to survive independently. |
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Post by agengr2004 on Oct 31, 2024 13:01:22 GMT
Let's not forget that Texas would also like to enact "travel restrictions" for women's healthcare in other states, and demanding medical records. It's never been about babies, or children, or ANYTHING for the greater good. It's about control.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 31, 2024 13:08:05 GMT
If you would prefer to talk about the women who have died since Roe was overturned I am sure we can do that. There have been a lot of consequences (intended and unintended) for women and families since Roe was overturned. Higher infant and maternal death rates. Doctors leaving states that have strict bans--which affects ALL women, regardless of age or whether or not they will get pregnant. Women losing their ability to have kids. Children losing their mothers. If you don't believe in abortion don't have one. But stop trying to control other women and cause all of these other issues for many. Abortion is healthcare but women's healthcare is more than just abortion. We have rights to any needed healthcare. Think of the number of babies that have lived because they weren't aborted...and I don't believe that abortion is "healthcare". I do believe that it is necessary in a very small amount of cases and I'm fine with that. But by definition, abortion is the removal of a live, viable pregnancy. Anything else is D & C for miscarriage or inutero/non-viable fetal death. There is a difference. And you don't have to be religious to have a moral compass. Actually, the number of abortions has gone up since these bans. I don’t know anyone that is pro-abortion and thinks the decision should be made lightly. But I know that things happen and there are circumstances where an abortion is the right choice. I also think it’s telling that the states with the strictest bans also often have less education and access to birth control. Whether you like it or not, abortion is part of healthcare. And also whether you like it or not, other aspects of reproductive care are affected by these laws, such as treatment for miscarriage or other pregnancy complications. I’m not ok with the direction that things are going in some states but it sounds like you are fine and see deaths like the one in the OP just as collateral damage. That’s sad. |
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Post by Merge on Oct 31, 2024 13:11:57 GMT
Think of the number of babies that have lived because they weren't aborted...and I don't believe that abortion is "healthcare". I do believe that it is necessary in a very small amount of cases and I'm fine with that. But by definition, abortion is the removal of a live, viable pregnancy. Anything else is D & C for miscarriage or inutero/non-viable fetal death. There is a difference. And you don't have to be religious to have a moral compass. Actually, the number of abortions has gone up since these bans. I don’t know anyone that is pro-abortion and thinks the decision should be made lightly. But I know that things happen and there are circumstances where an abortion is the right choice. I also think it’s telling that the states with the strictest bans also often have less education and access to birth control. Whether you like it or not, abortion is part of healthcare. And also whether you like it or not, other aspects of reproductive care are affected by these laws, such as treatment for miscarriage or other pregnancy complications. I’m not ok with the direction that things are going in some states but it sounds like you are fine and see deaths like the one in the OP just as collateral damage. That’s sad. All of this. What it really comes down to for people like cindosha is that abortions they agree with are fine, but other abortions are eeeevvvil and the slutty sluts who need them deserve to suffer and die. That's the "alternative viewpoint" she wants to promote in our country. |
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Post by cindosha on Oct 31, 2024 13:44:26 GMT
Actually, the number of abortions has gone up since these bans. I don’t know anyone that is pro-abortion and thinks the decision should be made lightly. But I know that things happen and there are circumstances where an abortion is the right choice. I also think it’s telling that the states with the strictest bans also often have less education and access to birth control. Whether you like it or not, abortion is part of healthcare. And also whether you like it or not, other aspects of reproductive care are affected by these laws, such as treatment for miscarriage or other pregnancy complications. I’m not ok with the direction that things are going in some states but it sounds like you are fine and see deaths like the one in the OP just as collateral damage. That’s sad. All of this. What it really comes down to for people like cindosha is that abortions they agree with are fine, but other abortions are eeeevvvil and the slutty sluts who need them deserve to suffer and die. That's the "alternative viewpoint" she wants to promote in our country. Look at you putting words into my mouth. The abortions I agree with, which I mentioned earlier, are in the case of rape or incest. You just called women evil and slutty sluts, not me. I think that's pretty bad coming from you. Not everyone who doesn't get an abortion suffers and dies. |
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Post by cindosha on Oct 31, 2024 13:46:57 GMT
I agree with you 100%! This whole mess has cascaded into situations where there are now areas of the country that essentially have no women’s health care of *any* kind. According to the March of Dimes, something like 35% of counties in the U.S. are maternity deserts that lack hospitals or birthing centers and no obstetric care or providers AT ALL. This is a huge problem, especially when it’s coupled with all of these state bans. You can see on the linked map all of the areas where this is happening, and this is bad news for ALL women. www.marchofdimes.org/maternity-care-deserts-reportI saw a post the other day that said that oncologists can be affected by these laws as well and are becoming harder to find in these states, too. Oh, please. Talk about reaching. Maybe you shouldn't believe EVERYTHING you read without researching it through multiple sources. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 31, 2024 13:55:52 GMT
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Post by cindosha on Oct 31, 2024 14:13:29 GMT
Oh...the party of joy and unity....you represent it beautifully. And nothing is a lie. Yes! We'll have joy and unity when we vote your orange god down again and hopefully once and for all. And it's all lies. Maybe read this and do some reflecting. news.osu.edu/conservatives-more-susceptible-to-believing-falsehoods/Facts: a D&C for miscarriage is exactly the same thing as any other D&C. The thing you're missing is that most red states have outlawed performing the D&C while the already doomed fetus still has a detectable "heartbeat." And women are getting sick and sometimes dying as a result. And there were no abortions performed at the DNC. Get your head out of your ass. That just shows how susceptible you are to lies and misinformation that support your biases - just like the article shows. You have blood on your hands and you're too stupid to realize it. Pathetic. Fact: A D & C can be for different procedures (ablation like procedures, etc.) but it is the only procedure used in a miscarriage. It's not an abortion, which is the removal of a viable, live pregnancy. So the DNC never touted free abortions?  They did. There was a mobile clinic set up near the convention site. Your opinion is just that, as is mine. We are both entitled to our opinions. I have no blood on my hands. I have no interest in reading an article no doubt written by a liberal journalist and taking that as gospel. Again, it's not fact, it's somebody's opinion. It is interesting, though, that throughout these discussions with this thread that I have posted, I have managed to not call any of you names or curse any of you out because I think that your views are different than mine. THAT speaks volumes to me. |
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Post by dawnnikol on Oct 31, 2024 14:18:26 GMT
Here's the other thing, even if you fall into the trap of "leave it to the states", you're being lied to by the politicians or yourself. Kansas was the first state to vote on abortion rights. The churches around here were going nuts with investing into their "save them both" crap. We are STILL having to fight over our right to healthcare because we have GOP politicians. Ohio and Arkansas (off the top of my head) fought tooth and nail to get it on the ballot, yet what happened? The same shit that's happening in Florida and Missouri (again, off the top of my head) with a person's right to healthcare. They get their signatures and then the politicians fight tooth and nail to keep it off the ballot. DeSatan even threatened the media, which I'm sure surprises no one, if they ran the ads.
If "state's rights" are so important, why not just put it on your state ballot without the fanfare? If you want your state's residents to have a say and are SOOO sure they want what you proclaim to want 'on their behalf', then put it on every single state ballot. It won't fucking happen.
A person in Florida was forced to carry her child to term, even though that child would die. She had to deal with the "Congratulations" from strangers, knowing it would die. Not only does she have PTSD from the whole thing, but she's also now dealing with postpartum, on top of her baby's death, AND the fucking hospital bills because that baby had to go to the NICU.
Everyone deserves healthcare. PERIOD.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Oct 31, 2024 14:24:36 GMT
If "state's rights" are so important, why not just put it on your state ballot without the fanfare? If you want your state's residents to have a say and are SOOO sure they want what you proclaim to want 'on their behalf', then put it on every single state ballot. Exactly. Trump was being disingenuous at the debate when he said it was in the people's hands. It isn't. It's been proven in states who did vote on it, that if given the choice, more people support the right to choose than oppose it. A person in Florida was forced to carry her child to term, even though that child would die. She had to deal with the "Congratulations" from strangers, knowing it would die. Not only does she have PTSD from the whole thing, but she's also now dealing with postpartum, on top of her baby's death, AND the fucking hospital bills because that baby had to go to the NICU.This is criminal. |
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Post by dawnnikol on Oct 31, 2024 14:26:05 GMT
Yep. When the article ran, she was up to over $40K in bills. |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Oct 31, 2024 14:27:20 GMT
Actually, the number of abortions has gone up since these bans. I don’t know anyone that is pro-abortion and thinks the decision should be made lightly. But I know that things happen and there are circumstances where an abortion is the right choice. I also think it’s telling that the states with the strictest bans also often have less education and access to birth control. Whether you like it or not, abortion is part of healthcare. And also whether you like it or not, other aspects of reproductive care are affected by these laws, such as treatment for miscarriage or other pregnancy complications. I’m not ok with the direction that things are going in some states but it sounds like you are fine and see deaths like the one in the OP just as collateral damage. That’s sad. All of this. What it really comes down to for people like cindosha is that abortions they agree with are fine, but other abortions are eeeevvvil and the slutty sluts who need them deserve to suffer and die. That's the "alternative viewpoint" she wants to promote in our country. So true! I have read so many horrific stories of the women who have come forward (or their families have, if the woman passed away) since Roe was overturned. It’s especially devastating when it was a wanted pregnancy, something goes south and now the woman is unable to terminate it in a timely manner due to these barbaric laws, leaving her unable to have another wanted kid later. Or worse yet, dead and leaving her other child(ren) without a mother. I don’t know how anyone can learn about these women, read their stories and not have any compassion for them or others that may be in a similar situation. I don’t know how anyone can think, “Oh, but that would never happen to ME (or my daughter, grand daughter, sister, etc.).” I find it abhorrent when the supposed “pro-life” folks flippantly make statements like, “Well, there are exceptions for situations like THAT,” when very clearly in states with these restrictive bans there obviously aren’t. Otherwise these women wouldn’t be left either dead or unable to conceive future children. I remember sitting in one of my birthing classes and the instructor said, “One in three deliveries will end up with a C-section.” The other moms and I all looked around the room nervously at each other, and every one of us was thinking, “I hope it’s not me.” And yet, YUP it was me. What that situation taught me was that when it comes to things like this you JUST NEVER KNOW when it *will* be you or someone you care about who is faced with the unexpected. I was so thankful to have a competent medical team attending to me and that I wound up with a healthy kid. |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Oct 31, 2024 14:33:25 GMT
Everyone deserves healthcare. PERIOD. HEALTHCARE. Abortion is a TYPE OF HEALTHCARE. "Abortion" the way right-wingers and conservative Christians talk about it is a MORAL determination... NOT a HEALTHCARE determination. (since the question of 'when does "life" begin does NOT have a scientific consensus.) Morality is NOT a healthcare issue. HEALTHCARE is a healthcare issue. And people who can't think past their own pathetic tiny box of an existence to even consider 'what might other people need?' make me SICK. |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Oct 31, 2024 14:36:58 GMT
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Post by cindosha on Oct 31, 2024 14:37:15 GMT
It doesn't note anything concrete, its a whole lot of shoulda woulda coulda and I wouldn't take anything that AI produced as anything close to factual. But that's just me. |
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Post by cindosha on Oct 31, 2024 14:42:10 GMT
All of this. What it really comes down to for people like cindosha is that abortions they agree with are fine, but other abortions are eeeevvvil and the slutty sluts who need them deserve to suffer and die. That's the "alternative viewpoint" she wants to promote in our country. So true! I have read so many horrific stories of the women who have come forward (or their families have, if the woman passed away) since Roe was overturned. It’s especially devastating when it was a wanted pregnancy, something goes south and now the woman is unable to terminate it in a timely manner due to these barbaric laws, leaving her unable to have another wanted kid later. Or worse yet, dead and leaving her other child(ren) without a mother. I don’t know how anyone can learn about these women, read their stories and not have any compassion for them or others that may be in a similar situation. I don’t know how anyone can think, “Oh, but that would never happen to ME (or my daughter, grand daughter, sister, etc.).” I find it abhorrent when the supposed “pro-life” folks flippantly make statements like, “Well, there are exceptions for situations like THAT,” when very clearly in states with these restrictive bans there obviously aren’t. Otherwise these women wouldn’t be left either dead or unable to conceive future children. I remember sitting in one of my birthing classes and the instructor said, “One in three deliveries will end up with a C-section.” The other moms and I all looked around the room nervously at each other, and every one of us was thinking, “I hope it’s not me.” And yet, YUP it was me. What that situation taught me was that when it comes to things like this you JUST NEVER KNOW when it *will* be you or someone you care about who is faced with the unexpected. I was so thankful to have a competent medical team attending to me and that I wound up with a healthy kid. There are. |
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Post by Merge on Oct 31, 2024 14:45:56 GMT
Yes! We'll have joy and unity when we vote your orange god down again and hopefully once and for all. And it's all lies. Maybe read this and do some reflecting. news.osu.edu/conservatives-more-susceptible-to-believing-falsehoods/Facts: a D&C for miscarriage is exactly the same thing as any other D&C. The thing you're missing is that most red states have outlawed performing the D&C while the already doomed fetus still has a detectable "heartbeat." And women are getting sick and sometimes dying as a result. And there were no abortions performed at the DNC. Get your head out of your ass. That just shows how susceptible you are to lies and misinformation that support your biases - just like the article shows. You have blood on your hands and you're too stupid to realize it. Pathetic. Fact: A D & C can be for different procedures (ablation like procedures, etc.) but it is the only procedure used in a miscarriage. It's not an abortion, which is the removal of a viable, live pregnancy. So the DNC never touted free abortions? They did. There was a mobile clinic set up near the convention site. Your opinion is just that, as is mine. We are both entitled to our opinions. I have no blood on my hands. I have no interest in reading an article no doubt written by a liberal journalist and taking that as gospel. Again, it's not fact, it's somebody's opinion. It is interesting, though, that throughout these discussions with this thread that I have posted, I have managed to not call any of you names or curse any of you out because I think that your views are different than mine. THAT speaks volumes to me. Yes, I've quite given up being civil to fascist sympathizers and people dedicated to protecting their willful ignorance to the detriment of millions of other people, as you are doing when you refuse to read anything that might challenge your worldview. Opinions based on lies, as yours are, are not worth anyone's consideration. And no. Anything you "heard" about a mobile abortion clinic at the DNC is a right-wing lie. www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/fact-check-is-the-dnc-offering-free-abortions-to-attendees JD Vance stood up in public and said he's happy to keep lying to the American people, but dupes like you continue to take everything he and his surrogates say at face value. That speaks volumes to me. Pretending moral superiority when you're quite happy to take the whole country down in your miserable quest for a Christian fascist country is ridiculous. We see you. |
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Post by cindosha on Oct 31, 2024 14:46:14 GMT
Everyone deserves healthcare. PERIOD. HEALTHCARE. Abortion is a TYPE OF HEALTHCARE. "Abortion" the way right-wingers and conservative Christians talk about it is a MORAL determination... NOT a HEALTHCARE determination. (since the question of 'when does "life" begin does NOT have a scientific consensus.) Morality is NOT a healthcare issue. HEALTHCARE is a healthcare issue. And people who can't think past their own pathetic tiny box of an existence to even consider 'what might other people need?' make me SICK. Everyone is entitled to "healthcare". Not everyone needs an abortion. |
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They did. There was a mobile clinic set up near the convention site. 
