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Post by cindyupnorth on Nov 1, 2024 15:05:51 GMT
What do you guys think of it? It’s the one where the couple go to vote and it says what happens in the booth stays in the booth. Basically encouraging women to vote against their husband, but not tell them. I mean I’m a democrat and my husband is republican. He dam well knows I’m not voting for trump. My dh hates trump. He may vote for Harris. That’s his choice.
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Post by peppermintpatty on Nov 1, 2024 15:11:40 GMT
I think it's awesome! Men have no right to tell me who to vote for. The fact that Fox News is saying this is the same is having an affair is disgusting. Well, we know their husbands are probably having affairs then.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Nov 1, 2024 15:16:55 GMT
Yea. That part about it’s the same thing as having an affair is ridiculous. I feel sad for the women that feel they have to hide it and not tell her husband why she is voting for whoever.
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Post by aprilfay21 on Nov 1, 2024 15:27:11 GMT
Yea. That part about it’s the same thing as having an affair is ridiculous. I feel sad for the women that feel they have to hide it and not tell her husband why she is voting for whoever. I see it more like this /\ and less like this ---> "Basically encouraging women to vote against their husband, but not tell them." I don't think it's encouraging women to vote against their husbands, as much as it's saying you don't have to tell them who you voted for, and you don't have to follow their lead if you don't want to.
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Post by nine on Nov 1, 2024 16:18:20 GMT
Where should a woman get her voice? From her husband, father, brother, uncle. THIS is the bullshit that ad is trying to overcome
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Post by Merge on Nov 1, 2024 16:20:12 GMT
I loved the ad, and men who are having a hissy fit about it are why most women would choose the bear.
No woman, not even your wife, owes you control of her vote.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Nov 1, 2024 17:04:58 GMT
I loved the ad, and men who are having a hissy fit about it are why most women would choose the bear. No woman, not even your wife, owes you control of her vote. 1000% this. Especially if you happen to be married to a Neanderthal who isn’t looking out for his own wife or kid’s best interests when they vote. I will admit that it did take some harping on my part in previous elections to my DH that he needs to look beyond today, tomorrow, this year, next year when considering who to vote for. Because as we’ve seen, our decision as voters in this election will contribute to determining what happens for our teenage DD for possibly decades to come. We need to vote on her behalf because she’s too young to vote herself. Thankfully my DH is an intelligent, reasonable man who loves his child and respects his wife. You don’t have to look any further than the current makeup of the Supreme Court to know this is true. My kid already has fewer rights to her own autonomy than I had at her age, and that scares the living shit out of me even though we live in a fairly progressive state. I never thought that would be something I lived to see or have to worry about in my lifetime, yet here we are. Elections have consequences. Now more than ever, women need to get their butts out and vote for their own best interests.
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Post by amom23 on Nov 1, 2024 17:06:53 GMT
I LOVE LOVE LOVE the 2 ads the Harris campaign and the Lincoln Project have put out. As women we can vote however we damn well want to.
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Post by agengr2004 on Nov 1, 2024 17:08:59 GMT
We've been made to feel as if we owe every piece of ourselves to someone else. There's nothing wrong with a reminder that we are whole people with our own opinions.
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Post by dawnnikol on Nov 1, 2024 17:14:33 GMT
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Post by FuzzyMutt on Nov 1, 2024 17:43:40 GMT
I feel PEOPLE who were vocal Trump supporters that have witnessed the (further) unraveling and revealing of his lack of character need more reminders that they don't have to publicly walk back their "Proud Trump Train" stance and let the world know they voted D.
I don't know a single woman of my mom's generation, mine, or my kids' that is reluctant to vote any kind of way due to their husband...
But I do know a number that are decent and even really good, compassionate and caring people (especially 65+) who have taken on this persona of Trumpers. I hope one, in particular that I know, and love, will use some critical thinking skills that the country she wants to "take back" for her grandchildren will never be the almighty 1950's (which weren't great at all for her...) no matter how much she'd like to think entire families can live and work in the same town again and how great that was. The ironic part is that of her grandchildren that she's vocal she wants to "take back the country" for are 1 girl, one woman (who is voting Harris), and 5 young men. Of them, 2 are mixed race, and one identifies as gay. She totally doesn't see that her support of that POS is alienating and confusing, at best, to them. At worst, it is detrimental to their future.
But I've known her for nearly 50 years. Her pride (and privilege and isolation as a stay at home "mom" all these years, and unwillingness to turn off the news) would never allow her to admit that she's (vocally on social media) supporting the wrong guy. I hope her pride doesn't go so far as to keep her from voting with her heart and mind rather than pride. And she's only one of many many many.
BTW... those of you saying you have brow beat your significant others into submission are no better than the "men" you are positing control their wives votes. Just remember, they, and your children can vote however they choose to and YOU can't control it.
One of the interesting things that is going on in this election is the divide between male and female young people and how defined it is. So many of you here have very very politically savvy kids, or so you like to share.... I'm curious how the young people of our country will *actually* vote.
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 1, 2024 17:50:02 GMT
I think the reaction from Jesse Watters, Fox, Charlie Kirk and others to the ad is the exact reason they made the ad in the first place. I wish we didn't need the ads, but regrettably, that's not where we are.
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Post by FuzzyMutt on Nov 1, 2024 18:11:12 GMT
Yea. That part about it’s the same thing as having an affair is ridiculous. I feel sad for the women that feel they have to hide it and not tell her husband why she is voting for whoever. This is exactly equivalent to the posters around here who say that if their SO voted for Trump (or any other politician they find distasteful- deservedly usually...) they would feel their partner (friend, family member, business owner, literal person wearing a hat or t-shirt they don't like... whatever) has values they just cannot reconcile with and the relationship would be irrevocably destroyed. Ya know.. like an affair. Breaking the trust that you are who you say you are. Your values are what you say your values are. Trust? There is a reason we vote and it is not made public. Come on. Just like Biden (ya know... President for "All Americans") calling American's trash. Not a good look, regardless what letter is after your name.
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Post by scrappinmama on Nov 1, 2024 18:13:57 GMT
I find it sad that any woman would allow a man to control her so much. It makes me angry! I wouldn't spend 5 minutes in a relationship like that. But if that message helps a woman to feel secure enough to vote in her best interest, I'm all for the ad!
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Post by sabrinae on Nov 1, 2024 19:24:37 GMT
Yea. That part about it’s the same thing as having an affair is ridiculous. I feel sad for the women that feel they have to hide it and not tell her husband why she is voting for whoever. It’s also trying to keep women safe. If a man can support Trump and his ilk, many of them are not opposed to using violence to ensure “their women” reinforce the agenda pursued by Trump and his ilk. After all women need “protected” even if they don’t agree.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 1, 2024 22:29:11 GMT
My cousin posted a meme with stats about women’s achievements that ended with “this is why we need feminism.” A man tried to come in asking about men in women’s sports, saying that he is “showing concern for the women” when several people (including my cousin) said that wasn’t really a high priority issue for women. He then brought up this ad that is telling women to “lie” to their husbands and how horrible that is. Of course he has no clue that he is showing us exactly why we need feminism. All of the posts that I’ve been hearing about and seeing from men who think their wives have to vote their way or that women shouldn’t even have the right to vote is scary and shows me that the ad is needed in some groups.
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Post by Merge on Nov 1, 2024 22:41:00 GMT
I feel PEOPLE who were vocal Trump supporters that have witnessed the (further) unraveling and revealing of his lack of character need more reminders that they don't have to publicly walk back their "Proud Trump Train" stance and let the world know they voted D. I don't know a single woman of my mom's generation, mine, or my kids' that is reluctant to vote any kind of way due to their husband... But I do know a number that are decent and even really good, compassionate and caring people (especially 65+) who have taken on this persona of Trumpers. I hope one, in particular that I know, and love, will use some critical thinking skills that the country she wants to "take back" for her grandchildren will never be the almighty 1950's (which weren't great at all for her...) no matter how much she'd like to think entire families can live and work in the same town again and how great that was. The ironic part is that of her grandchildren that she's vocal she wants to "take back the country" for are 1 girl, one woman (who is voting Harris), and 5 young men. Of them, 2 are mixed race, and one identifies as gay. She totally doesn't see that her support of that POS is alienating and confusing, at best, to them. At worst, it is detrimental to their future. But I've known her for nearly 50 years. Her pride (and privilege and isolation as a stay at home "mom" all these years, and unwillingness to turn off the news) would never allow her to admit that she's (vocally on social media) supporting the wrong guy. I hope her pride doesn't go so far as to keep her from voting with her heart and mind rather than pride. And she's only one of many many many. BTW... those of you saying you have brow beat your significant others into submission are no better than the "men" you are positing control their wives votes. Just remember, they, and your children can vote however they choose to and YOU can't control it. One of the interesting things that is going on in this election is the divide between male and female young people and how defined it is. So many of you here have very very politically savvy kids, or so you like to share.... I'm curious how the young people of our country will *actually* vote. Both of mine (GenZ) have voted. They understood the assignment. I don't tell DH how to vote, but we have had some heated conversations about the world we want to leave for our daughters vs. some of the lies he's seen/read online. And our daughters have also been vocal to him about their beliefs. I think he's sat out the last two elections. Not sure if he will vote in this one or not. Early voting ends tonight so he'll have to make it on Tuesday if he goes. I would love it if he would show up and vote for Harris. I do believe he'd vote for Allred over Cruz, and he cares deeply about some local ballot initiatives, so maybe he will vote. If he does he may just leave the president field blank, IDK. It's very difficult to overcome a lot of the bullshit guys say to each other. I don't love it, but at least he's not voting for someone who wants to hurt women and LGBTQ people.
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Post by Merge on Nov 1, 2024 22:47:25 GMT
Yea. That part about it’s the same thing as having an affair is ridiculous. I feel sad for the women that feel they have to hide it and not tell her husband why she is voting for whoever. This is exactly equivalent to the posters around here who say that if their SO voted for Trump (or any other politician they find distasteful- deservedly usually...) they would feel their partner (friend, family member, business owner, literal person wearing a hat or t-shirt they don't like... whatever) has values they just cannot reconcile with and the relationship would be irrevocably destroyed. Ya know.. like an affair. Breaking the trust that you are who you say you are. Your values are what you say your values are. Trust? There is a reason we vote and it is not made public. Come on. Just like Biden (ya know... President for "All Americans") calling American's trash. Not a good look, regardless what letter is after your name. Have to disagree with you here. As many of us have said here, this isn't simply a political difference. It's a difference in morality. Voting for someone who actively campaigns to hurt people you love isn't the action of a loving spouse, parent, partner, whatever. Men who expect their wives to vote for Trump against their own best interest because the man likes his stance on guns or whatever is simply not the same thing as asking your spouse not to vote for someone who is fine with killing your daughters if their pregnancy goes wrong. It's just not.
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Post by lisae on Nov 1, 2024 22:48:21 GMT
I haven't seen the ad. I also have a Republican husband (who isn't voting for Trump this time, thankfully) and he always knows who I'm voting from. He sometimes argues for his candidate but he knows darn well I'm going to do as I please.
I'm surprised that I see so little of Harris advertising in NC. She may have an equal amount of television advertising but certainly not more than Trump. Given how much more money she raised, this is surprising. I've gotten no direct mail from her and no phone calls but have been inundated from the Trump campaign. I hope wherever she is putting her money, it is working.
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Post by Merge on Nov 1, 2024 22:51:20 GMT
I haven't seen the ad. I also have a Republican husband (who isn't voting for Trump this time, thankfully) and he always knows who I'm voting from. He sometimes argues for his candidate but he knows darn well I'm going to do as I please. I'm surprised that I see so little of Harris advertising in NC. She may have an equal amount of television advertising but certainly not more than Trump. Given how much more money she raised, this is surprising. I've gotten no direct mail from her and no phone calls but have been inundated from the Trump campaign. I hope wherever she is putting her money, it is working. I hope that means their internal polling tells them they don't need to spend a lot in NC. But who knows?
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Post by lisae on Nov 1, 2024 22:55:53 GMT
I haven't seen the ad. I also have a Republican husband (who isn't voting for Trump this time, thankfully) and he always knows who I'm voting from. He sometimes argues for his candidate but he knows darn well I'm going to do as I please. I'm surprised that I see so little of Harris advertising in NC. She may have an equal amount of television advertising but certainly not more than Trump. Given how much more money she raised, this is surprising. I've gotten no direct mail from her and no phone calls but have been inundated from the Trump campaign. I hope wherever she is putting her money, it is working. I hope that means their internal polling tells them they don't need to spend a lot in NC. But who knows? Only if they have already written NC off. She and her surrogates keep campaigning here so I assume they still think they have a chance. I've never expected her to win the state. It's a nice dream but in reality? We almost always elect Democrats for governor but have only gone for a Democrat for President 2x in the last 50 years - 1976 and 2008. ETA: I was just watching ABC Evening News out of Charlotte. In the last 10 minutes of the broadcast - 1 Harris ad on abortion, 3 Trump ads. Two of his were from PAC's.
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Post by Merge on Nov 1, 2024 22:58:53 GMT
I hope that means their internal polling tells them they don't need to spend a lot in NC. But who knows? Only if they have already written NC off. She and her surrogates keep campaigning here so I assume they still think they have a chance. I've never expected her to win the state. It's a nice dream but in reality? We almost always elect Democrats for governor but have only gone for a Democrat for President 2x in the last 50 years - 1976 and 2008. I'm hopeful that the thorough and extensive disaster response from the Biden administration (contrary to what Trump and his surrogates have claimed) may also sway some voters? Maybe not, IDK.
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 1, 2024 23:23:32 GMT
Only if they have already written NC off. She and her surrogates keep campaigning here so I assume they still think they have a chance. I've never expected her to win the state. It's a nice dream but in reality? We almost always elect Democrats for governor but have only gone for a Democrat for President 2x in the last 50 years - 1976 and 2008. I'm hopeful that the thorough and extensive disaster response from the Biden administration (contrary to what Trump and his surrogates have claimed) may also sway some voters? Maybe not, IDK. I do think Harris is using non traditional methods to reach out to voters - podcasts, tik Tok etc. Hopefully, they're spending $ in NC but in other ways to reach independents, young voters and women. The campaign did recently cut ads in NC, maybe in part because voting has been underway for 2 weeks? And somewhere like VA might be vulnerable? www.carolinajournal.com/harris-campaign-cuts-ad-buys-in-north-carolina/Harris Super PACs are buying last minute ads www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/10/29/2024-elections-live-coverage-updates-analysis/pro-kamala-harris-ads-00186039The pro-Kamala Harris super PAC Future Forward is launching another huge $100 million flight of ads to broadcast her closing message to voters across every major platform in the campaign’s final week. The record-breaking messaging deluge leans heavily into voters’ economic concerns and Harris’ effort to contrast her plans to improve people’s lives with those of former President Donald Trump.
The two national spots are focused on helping Americans get ahead:
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 2, 2024 1:49:34 GMT
Yea. That part about it’s the same thing as having an affair is ridiculous. I feel sad for the women that feel they have to hide it and not tell her husband why she is voting for whoever. This is exactly equivalent to the posters around here who say that if their SO voted for Trump (or any other politician they find distasteful- deservedly usually...) they would feel their partner (friend, family member, business owner, literal person wearing a hat or t-shirt they don't like... whatever) has values they just cannot reconcile with and the relationship would be irrevocably destroyed. Ya know.. like an affair. Breaking the trust that you are who you say you are. Your values are what you say your values are. Trust? There is a reason we vote and it is not made public. Come on. Just like Biden (ya know... President for "All Americans") calling American's trash. Not a good look, regardless what letter is after your name. I posted this in another thread, but it's relevant here, too. Respectfully, I think Biden was just talking about the comedian. Given his speech impairment and history of gaffes, mistakes when speaking etc, I think he was just referring to the comedian. I genuinely believe that Biden has a good heart based on his 50 years of public service and previous comments. He has talked so many times about unity, being the President for everyone etc. It just doesn't make sense to me that he would criticize the comedian for his language and in the same breath, use that language to describe almost half of the country. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt but understand that you voted in protest or reluctantly? for Harris and may disagree. I don't mean this to be snarky, this is a genuine question. Can you show me an example of where Biden was disrespectful to all Trump supporters? Not just Trump himself but his supporters? Respectfully, I also disagree about the voting in opposition to your spouse. The ad is targeting women who are afraid or controlled by their husbands. They're keeping it a secret because of fear of physical or verbal abuse. That's a very different scenario from keeping an affair secret. An affair breaks trust, but it is also so much more than that. It is a violation of marriage vows, disrespectful and deeply hurtful. An affair is a false equivalency and a terrible analogy for the conservative media to make. On this message board, women are talking about what they believe is a fundamental difference in values. Women voting for Harris are voting to protect rights of loved ones - bodily autonomy, the rights of the LGBtQ community, marriage equality, voting rights etc. Some of us can't imagine a relationship with someone who voted against those basic fundamental freedoms. Fortunately, I'm not in that position where I have to decide about a relationship with a Trump supporter. But there are plenty of women on this board who have different political views than a spouse. I don't care what sign someone walking down the street is holding or what hat or t-shirt they're wearing. Also, all 3 of my boys (2 in college, 1 recently graduated) all happily voted for Harris. One is at a very conservative maritime school and pre-Trump tended to lean libertarian. He is now a solid Democrat, not progressive but not moderate, either.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 2, 2024 2:02:30 GMT
Yea. That part about it’s the same thing as having an affair is ridiculous. I feel sad for the women that feel they have to hide it and not tell her husband why she is voting for whoever. It’s also trying to keep women safe. If a man can support Trump and his ilk, many of them are not opposed to using violence to ensure “their women” reinforce the agenda pursued by Trump and his ilk. After all women need “protected” even if they don’t agree. There is a reason that there has been a law against 'marital rape' which of course 'they' are planning to overturn..
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Post by MissBianca on Nov 2, 2024 2:04:56 GMT
I have seen and shared The Lincoln Project ad. I 100% see it as women who fear their husbands or fathers for whatever reason. I also personally know some of those women. In reply to the above about an affair equates to a broken vow, some people also view going against their husband as a broken vow. A lot of people take the obey part of love, honor, and obey very seriously. The husbands depicted in the ad are those husbands who expect 100% obedience.
I’ve also seen a Trump/Vance sign in town and the guy hand wrote an additional sign above his Trump sign. It says “You better vote for…” I really want to put up an opposing sign saying something like “or what?” Or “what do you think you’re gonna do?” Or “make me” He’s a husband like the ones in the ad.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 2, 2024 2:08:15 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 2, 2024 2:24:18 GMT
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Post by librarylady on Nov 2, 2024 2:26:31 GMT
I have 2 SILs who look to their husbands to tell them for whom to vote. I am sure neither would dream of not following the husband. Meanwhile my DH's brother snickered when he told DH, "She thinks she is married to a Republican."
We discuss who we like/don't like and why but neither of us tell the other how to vote--ever.
Woe unto the man (or woman) who would even think he/she could tell me how to vote.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 2, 2024 2:39:07 GMT
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