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Post by Merge on Nov 9, 2024 13:44:57 GMT
Why would Republicans want help from the government? She was just giving those people what they voted for. I’m sure they have some bootstraps they can use instead. Wow!!! Talk about a reach… Double post.
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Post by Merge on Nov 9, 2024 13:44:57 GMT
Why would Republicans want help from the government? She was just giving those people what they voted for. I’m sure they have some bootstraps they can use instead. Wow!!! Talk about a reach… How so? You just got done saying elsewhere that socialism is always bad. Government agency help is socialism.
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Post by paulao on Nov 9, 2024 14:38:23 GMT
If this story is true, I applaud FEMA. Let the tRump supporters save themselves.
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Post by pinklady on Nov 9, 2024 15:00:10 GMT
It was MAGAts who were harassing and threatening FEMA workers. If I feared for my employees and knew they’d be in danger of going to those homes, I’d tell the to skip them too. 🤷🏼♀️ Let Greg Biffle be their savior.
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Post by pinklady on Nov 9, 2024 15:01:53 GMT
Wow!!! Talk about a reach… How so? You just got done saying elsewhere that socialism is always bad. Government agency help is socialism. Duh handouts are only bad when they are given to brown or black people. Handouts to toothless rednecks are A OK.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 9, 2024 15:07:00 GMT
After Sandy the republicans voted against FEMA aid for the northeast.
After Marie TFG threw paper towels at AMERICAN CITIZENS in Puerto Rico. He also withheld FEMA aid.
He threatened to withhold FEMA aid for the wildfires in California.
He also withheld Covid funds and supplies to states because he didn't like their governors...
Skipping the TFG flag flying houses was WRONG!!
Shooting at FEMA workers was WRONG!!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 9, 2024 15:13:06 GMT
Good. Trump wants to dismantle FEMA and Project 2025 says states/localities are too dependent on federal disaster funds and need to find the money themselves after a disaster. Sounds like an early example of those who supported Trump getting what they voted for. I don’t see the problem with that. Still harping on about project 2025 being Trumps playbook I see…has the msm disinformation/lies/twisting of words during this election taught you nothing?? I’m gonna guess that Trump is going to want to restructure FEMA so that it is disaster relief ONLY. Not have it be porked up with other ways to move the money to other non-disaster related things. But that’s just a guess… When he takes office in January will he again dismantle the pandemic 'response teams'..?? As he did during his first term?? Will he dispose the manuals with all the info?
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Post by compeateropeator on Nov 9, 2024 15:14:56 GMT
Why would Republicans want help from the government? She was just giving those people what they voted for. I’m sure they have some bootstraps they can use instead. Wow!!! Talk about a reach… Well it was extremely wrong for the person from FEMA to tell people to avoid houses with Trump signs and if they did so should be fired and/or what ever consequences come from it. There were other ways they could contact FEMA so that was good (that was me using a MAGA supporter like retort for when a ‘cheating liberal’ says they were mistreated). Also as MAGA supporters always elude to about people who align with their party and who are caught doing something bad or nefarious…there are always a few bad apples in the bunch and you can’t blame it on everyone associated with the party. Oh wait the MAGA supporters can when it is the other side they are talking about. Unfortunately the bootstrap comment from MAGA/Trump supporters are not a reach because these are comments that have been coming out of their mouths for years about every program used to help people (you know all those Socialist programs). I have said the same type of sarcastic comment for years. So sorry so many are having issues paying for food and gas during this time where everything is rising GLOBALLY. But in the words of MAGA - maybe if you had managed your finances and life better you would be in a better position today? It doesn’t feel very good to have that said to you does it, even if it is your party’s words and feelings (general your/you) that are being said. FEMA has multiple functions, hence ‘pots’ that their money falls into. It has been found that the Biden administration was NOT using disaster money for other things. Trump did/tried however to plunder from the disaster fund when he was there in 2019. So saying FEMA needs to be used for only disasters is fine but the other funding (not designated for diasters) will just then fall under a different department or be called something else. So nothing changes except for some people’s perception. Lastly, IMO, something has to change. Just as with the border. There is no way that we can continue to fund huge hurricane losses and other reoccurring disasters year after year after year, especially as they become more extreme and more often (hhhmmm wonder why that is happening, could it be that the climate is changing? 🤔 ). For example we know that Florida and other costal residents are going to have these year after year, and now that they can’t get insurance because companies are pulling out (because they know it is a losing battle)…so what can we do. Or should we be required to keep rebuilding those houses so they have the privilege of living near the ocean? Not that I believe we should stop helping people whose lives and properties are devastated but does there come a point where we just can’t afford it? I certainly don’t have any answers but what says MAGA supporters about this…as they seem to think they have the answers for most things.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 9, 2024 15:18:03 GMT
is this a more reliable source for you. CNN — A Federal Emergency Management Agency employee has been removed from her role after she advised her disaster relief team to avoid homes with signs supporting President Donald Trump while canvassing in Florida in the aftermath of Hurricane Milton, the agency said Friday. A FEMA spokesperson told CNN in a statement the agency is “deeply disturbed by this employee’s actions” and the incident is under investigation. The agency did not identify the employee. “While we believe this is an isolated incident, we have taken measures to remove the employee from their role and are investigating the matter to prevent this from happening ever again. The employee who issued this guidance had no authority and was given no direction to tell teams to avoid these homes and we are reaching out to the people who may have not been reached as a result of this incident,” the spokesperson said The Daily Wire first reported on the incident, citing internal correspondence between the employee and workers canvassing homes in Lake Placid, Florida, in which she instructed them to “avoid homes advertising Trump.” The agency is currently investigating how many houses were passed over by the canvassing team as part of the incident that occurred on October 27, the spokesperson told CNN. The agency on Friday deployed a new team to knock on doors in the affected area in an effort to make contact with those who may not have been previously reached. The spokesperson declined to provide additional information on the incident or detail how agency officials were notified of it, citing the ongoing investigation, but said in the statement that FEMA officials are “horrified that this took place and therefore have taken extreme actions to correct this situation and have ensured that the matter was addressed at all levels.” Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis said following reports of the incident Friday that he had directed state officials to investigate the matter. And the very first paragraph states that she has BEEN REMOVED from her role!!..!!
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Post by cindosha on Nov 9, 2024 15:21:31 GMT
Still harping on about project 2025 being Trumps playbook I see…has the msm disinformation/lies/twisting of words during this election taught you nothing?? I’m gonna guess that Trump is going to want to restructure FEMA so that it is disaster relief ONLY. Not have it be porked up with other ways to move the money to other non-disaster related things. But that’s just a guess… When he takes office in January will he again dismantle the pandemic 'response teams'..?? As he did during his first term?? Will he dispose the manuals with all the info? That would be ridiculous. And it’s ridiculous to believe something like that.
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Post by cindosha on Nov 9, 2024 15:25:05 GMT
Wow!!! Talk about a reach… How so? You just got done saying elsewhere that socialism is always bad. Government agency help is socialism. Government control is always bad. I don’t believe that government agencies should be considered socialism. Those are two different entities. I believe when government controls everything they control everyone.
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Post by compeateropeator on Nov 9, 2024 15:30:31 GMT
Good. Trump wants to dismantle FEMA and Project 2025 says states/localities are too dependent on federal disaster funds and need to find the money themselves after a disaster. Sounds like an early example of those who supported Trump getting what they voted for. I don’t see the problem with that. Still harping on about project 2025 being Trumps playbook I see…has the msm disinformation/lies/twisting of words during this election taught you nothing??I’m gonna guess that Trump is going to want to restructure FEMA so that it is disaster relief ONLY. Not have it be porked up with other ways to move the money to other non-disaster related things. But that’s just a guess… I have not been harping on this but I would like to give my opinion…if you truly believe that with the roll that Stephen Miller and other Trump loyalist played in producing this “playbook” and the roll that they play in determining policies for the Trump administration have no overlap (think Venn diagram) then I have nothing and just assume that you refuse to logically think about what you are saying. So while I think the those 2 circles would be a total eclipse 😉 even MAGA supporters have to admit there is a partial eclipse there.
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Post by MichyM on Nov 9, 2024 15:51:26 GMT
Haven’t read the replies yet but if it matters to the OP (which based on previous posts stuff like this does not) THIS:
Multiple scientific studies have identified The Daily Wire as a fake news website. Boston University and Forbes have described the website as far-right.
My god woman, do you not vet your “news” sources?!? Rhetorical question, I know 🙄
ETA: reading further I see that this actually did happen, my apologies. Thankfully it was one terribly misguided individual who has since been let go.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 9, 2024 15:54:57 GMT
Good. Trump wants to dismantle FEMA and Project 2025 says states/localities are too dependent on federal disaster funds and need to find the money themselves after a disaster. Sounds like an early example of those who supported Trump getting what they voted for. I don’t see the problem with that. Still harping on about project 2025 being Trumps playbook I see…has the msm disinformation/lies/twisting of words during this election taught you nothing?? I’m gonna guess that Trump is going to want to restructure FEMA so that it is disaster relief ONLY. Not have it be porked up with other ways to move the money to other non-disaster related things. But that’s just a guess… Do you know that when Trump was president he used money that was meant for disaster relief for the border? You know, another thing that he was projecting when he blamed Biden of doing that? Department of homeland security has control over border security as well as FEMA. Each of those programs are supposed to have different funding “accounts.” Trump used money from FEMA for the border “account”. Do you understand how that works? Is that what you mean when you say that fema includes other pork? I don’t like what this person did and am glad that she was fired. I wish the sheriff (who has much more power than one single FEMA worker) who posted that he wouldn’t be needing emergency aid or help to democrats, would also be fired. I also don’t like that it is being used by the right as a “see, FEMA is horrible.” Democrats aren’t saying that all sheriffs are horrible and there should be no more sheriffs.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 9, 2024 16:04:38 GMT
When he takes office in January will he again dismantle the pandemic 'response teams'..?? As he did during his first term?? Will he dispose the manuals with all the info? That would be ridiculous. And it’s ridiculous to believe something like that. OH..??..?? They didn't run the plays': Ex-officials say Trump administration didn't use pandemic 'playbooks' Trump criticized a "system we inherited," but ex-officials say plans existed.ByLucien Bruggeman,Josh Margolin andMatthew Mosk July 29, 2020, 4:16 AM ET • 15 min read President Donald Trump proclaimed in late March that “nobody knew there’d be a pandemic or an epidemic of this proportion.” Confronted with criticism of a lethargic national response, he lamented “a system we inherited” from past administrations. The problem with both statements, according to former public health officials, is that prior administrations not only “knew there’d be a pandemic,” they planned for it – extensively. They did so by crafting so-called “playbooks” and engaging in “table-top exercises” for hypothetical outbreaks – the results of which bore a striking resemblance to gaps that have emerged in the federal government’s response to COVID-19. “I think that this current pandemic has really played out in many ways similar to exercises and table-top simulations that we had done many years ago,” said Dr. James Lawler, a former White House National Security Council (NSC) official during both the George W. Bush and Barack Obama administrations who worked specifically on pandemic preparedness. “I think, unfortunately, things have played out somewhat predictably,” he added. George W. Bush in 2005: 'If we wait for a pandemic to appear, it will be too late to prepare')Multiple public health officials under Presidents Bush and Obama who spoke with ABC News as part of its coronavirus special, “American Catastrophe: How Did We Get Here?”, described the painstaking lengths to which previous administrations planned for viral infectious disease pandemics. Many of those same officials condemned the Trump administration for failing to execute on the strategies gathered as a result of those efforts, such as taking early and aggressive science-based actions, clear communication to the public, and collaboration with international and state partners.Others accused the president of exacerbating matters by shuttering a NSC office specifically tasked with pandemic response preparedness.“A lot of what you see in the planning from the mid-2000s in my time in the White House under President Bush really applies to today – no question,” said Tom Bossert, a homeland security advisor to Bush at the time and later to Trump. Bossert, who left the Trump administration in April 2018, is now an ABC News contributor. “Those strategies and those plans were comprehensive,” he added. “And they addressed a number of issues that we've now seen unfortunately coming to light.” abcnews.go.com/Health/run-plays-officials-trump-administration-pandemic-playbooks/story?id=71999769
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 9, 2024 16:05:54 GMT
That would be ridiculous. And it’s ridiculous to believe something like that. OH..??..?? They didn't run the plays': Ex-officials say Trump administration didn't use pandemic 'playbooks' Trump criticized a "system we inherited," but ex-officials say plans existed.ByLucien Bruggeman,Josh Margolin andMatthew Mosk July 29, 2020, 4:16 AM ET • 15 min read President Donald Trump proclaimed in late March that “nobody knew there’d be a pandemic or an epidemic of this proportion.” Confronted with criticism of a lethargic national response, he lamented “a system we inherited” from past administrations. The problem with both statements, according to former public health officials, is that prior administrations not only “knew there’d be a pandemic,” they planned for it – extensively. They did so by crafting so-called “playbooks” and engaging in “table-top exercises” for hypothetical outbreaks – the results of which bore a striking resemblance to gaps that have emerged in the federal government’s response to COVID-19. “I think that this current pandemic has really played out in many ways similar to exercises and table-top simulations that we had done many years ago,” said Dr. James Lawler, a former White House National Security Council (NSC) official during both the George W. Bush and Barack Obama administrations who worked specifically on pandemic preparedness. “I think, unfortunately, things have played out somewhat predictably,” he added. [/I]George W. Bush in 2005: 'If we wait for a pandemic to appear, it will be too late to prepare')[/I] Multiple public health officials under Presidents Bush and Obama who spoke with ABC News as part of its coronavirus special, “American Catastrophe: How Did We Get Here?”, described the painstaking lengths to which previous administrations planned for viral infectious disease pandemics. Many of those same officials condemned the Trump administration for failing to execute on the strategies gathered as a result of those efforts, such as taking early and aggressive science-based actions, clear communication to the public, and collaboration with international and state partners. Others accused the president of exacerbating matters by shuttering a NSC office specifically tasked with pandemic response preparedness.“A lot of what you see in the planning from the mid-2000s in my time in the White House under President Bush really applies to today – no question,” said Tom Bossert, a homeland security advisor to Bush at the time and later to Trump. Bossert, who left the Trump administration in April 2018, is now an ABC News contributor. “Those strategies and those plans were comprehensive,” he added. “And they addressed a number of issues that we've now seen unfortunately coming to light.” abcnews.go.com/Health/run-plays-officials-trump-administration-pandemic-playbooks/story?id=71999769[/quote]I can’t believe everyone doesn’t know this. When Trump took office iirc, it seemed like he wanted to dismantle anything Obama did (still does, like the ACA). He is a petty man. Instead of seeing the pandemic “playbook” as a way to help him he probably saw it as a threat and didn’t want to do anything that could give Obama “credit” for anything.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 9, 2024 16:19:40 GMT
Obviously ONE person does.... Surely with that there must be many more!!
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Post by huskergal on Nov 9, 2024 16:19:57 GMT
How so? You just got done saying elsewhere that socialism is always bad. Government agency help is socialism. Government control is always bad. I don’t believe that government agencies should be considered socialism. Those are two different entities. I believe when government controls everything they control everyone. It's democratic socialism. Look it up.
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Post by Merge on Nov 9, 2024 18:18:39 GMT
Wait. Elsewhere you claim that Project 2025 is not Trump’s playbook, but here you cite opinion from the group that wrote P2025 as gospel truth. You seem confused. Project 2025 isn’t Trump’s playbook. False. Out of curiosity, if Trump had come out and said that Project 2025 was written by people he intends to have in his administration, and that he plans to implement as much of it as possible, would you have considered that a good thing or a bad thing?
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Post by Merge on Nov 9, 2024 18:22:20 GMT
How so? You just got done saying elsewhere that socialism is always bad. Government agency help is socialism. Government control is always bad. I don’t believe that government agencies should be considered socialism. Those are two different entities. I believe when government controls everything they control everyone. 1. You don't actually know what socialism is. 2. Government agencies taking money from all of us and dispersing it as needed for the greater good is part of the literal definition of socialism. Most countries practice this to some degree because it's how civilization works. 3. I think what you really mean is that you're fine with socialism for you, but object to it when it helps people you think don't deserve it.
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 9, 2024 18:23:41 GMT
I posted this on a different thread but it seems appropriate here, too. The level of ignorance is kind of astonishing. Regrettably, we’re all about to pay for it. MAGA fucked around and are about to find out. Project 2025 is very real, it’s a playbook written for Trump. He’s lazy, he doesn’t care about everyday Americans and is out for revenge. He’s motivated by selfish interests and only cares about making more money for himself. He will implement as much as possible in his first 100 days.
heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/november-8-2024
In The New Republic today, Michael Tomasky reinforced that voters chose Trump in 2024 not because of the economy or inflation, or anything else, but because of how they perceived those issues—which is not the same thing. Right-wing media “fed their audiences a diet of slanted and distorted information that made it possible for Trump to win,” Tomasky wrote. Right-wing media has overtaken legacy media to set the country’s political agenda not only because it’s bigger, but because it speaks with one voice, “and that voice says Democrats and liberals are treasonous elitists who hate you, and Republicans and conservatives love God and country and are your last line of defense against your son coming home from school your daughter.”
In a social media post, Marcotte wrote: “A lot of voters are profoundly ignorant. More so than in the past.” That jumped out to me because there was, indeed, an earlier period in our history when voters were “pickled in right-wing misinformation and rage.”
Today, when I received a slew of messages gloating that Trump had won the election and that Republican voters had owned the libs, I could not help but think of that earlier era when ordinary white men sold generations of economic aspirations for white supremacy and bragging rights.
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 9, 2024 18:29:05 GMT
Regarding FEMA, this was an isolated incident that will be investigated and the employee was removed. I must have missed MAGA’s reaction to Trump denying aid to California, Washington and Puerto Rico because he did not like the politicians and they were not sufficiently loyal to him. In Trump's case, it came from the top, from him directly. But that was OK, because it only affected Puerto Rico and blue states? This isolated incident from one individual in the administration matters because it affected Florida? www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/13/trump-disaster-funding-warning‘Vengeful’ Trump withheld disaster aid and will do so again, ex-officials warn Former administration officials say Trump deliberately denied funds to states he deemed politically hostile
Donald Trump deliberately withheld disaster aid to states he deemed politically hostile to him as US president and will do so again unimpeded if he returns to the White House, several former Trump administration officials have warned.
But former Trump administration officials have said the former president, when in office, initially refused to release federal disaster aid for wildfires in California in 2018, withheld wildfire assistance for Washington state in 2020, and severely restricted emergency relief to Puerto Rico in the wake of the devastating Hurricane Maria in 2017 because he felt these places were not sufficiently supportive of him.
Just last month, Trump signaled that his deal-making over disaster aid would not change if he were president again, warning that he would block assistance to California unless the state’s governor, Gavin Newsom, agreed to deliver more water to farmers.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 9, 2024 18:34:45 GMT
Fire departments, public libraries, public schools, etc are also examples of socialism.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 9, 2024 18:44:21 GMT
It was MAGAts who were harassing and threatening FEMA workers. If I feared for my employees and knew they’d be in danger of going to those homes, I’d tell the to skip them too. 🤷🏼♀️ Let Greg Biffle be their savior. Good point. I would be curious to know more about what this person's intention was when sending out the recommendation to skip houses with Trump signs.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 9, 2024 18:50:26 GMT
I posted this on a different thread but it seems appropriate here, too. The level of ignorance is kind of astonishing. Regrettably, we’re all about to pay for it. MAGA fucked around and are about to find out. Project 2025 is very real, it’s a playbook written for Trump. He’s lazy, he doesn’t care about everyday Americans and is out for revenge. He’s motivated by selfish interests and only cares about making more money for himself. He will implement as much as possible in his first 100 days. heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/november-8-2024 In The New Republic today, Michael Tomasky reinforced that voters chose Trump in 2024 not because of the economy or inflation, or anything else, but because of how they perceived those issues—which is not the same thing. Right-wing media “fed their audiences a diet of slanted and distorted information that made it possible for Trump to win,” Tomasky wrote. Right-wing media has overtaken legacy media to set the country’s political agenda not only because it’s bigger, but because it speaks with one voice, “and that voice says Democrats and liberals are treasonous elitists who hate you, and Republicans and conservatives love God and country and are your last line of defense against your son coming home from school your daughter.”
In a social media post, Marcotte wrote: “A lot of voters are profoundly ignorant. More so than in the past.” That jumped out to me because there was, indeed, an earlier period in our history when voters were “pickled in right-wing misinformation and rage.”
Today, when I received a slew of messages gloating that Trump had won the election and that Republican voters had owned the libs, I could not help but think of that earlier era when ordinary white men sold generations of economic aspirations for white supremacy and bragging rights.This! I have been saying that the messaging from ALL of those on the right--from Trump himself, to other Republicans in office, to right wing media, to the info shared by Russian bots--is why Democrats lost. People don't look up information and facts on their own (and usually deny it when someone else points it out, as shown by this thread). The messaging builds fear, anger and resentment, which is what people focus on rather than what is actually being proposed or done behind the scenes.
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Post by scrappinmama on Nov 9, 2024 20:07:48 GMT
The difference between a Trumper and a Democrat is that Democrats will call out the toxic behavior of another Democrat. The Trumpers will make excuses when their guy does it. Trumper hypocrisy doesn't surprise me.
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Post by jayfab on Nov 10, 2024 0:39:47 GMT
Ya know what? Let's pardon the person, it's not like he raped a woman, stole boxes of top secret files, hid and refused to return them or has 34 felonies and on and on.
Crime is aok now!
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