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Post by scrapngranny on Nov 20, 2024 17:21:57 GMT
I agree that big food is every bit as big pharma and big tobacco.. They all work very hard to make their addictive and advertise extensively.
It is our choice to consume the crap they put in cans, boxes, and packaged meats. I cringe now when I thought I was feed my kids good breakfasts when I did not allow sugared cereal. I didn’t realize the non-sugared cereal was just as bad. Packaged oatmeal is even worse. The outer aisles of the grocery store is the best place to find healthy foods.
After becoming used to to eating chips, crackers, cookies our bodies crave them, which makes it harder to give them up.
Sugar is what is killing us. It makes us overweight, causes type 2 diabetes, and feed cancer cells.
Our mothers and grandmothers did not have access to all this processed food and people were much healthier.
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Post by Zee on Nov 20, 2024 17:29:59 GMT
I agree that big food is every bit as big pharma and big tobacco.. They all work very hard to make their addictive and advertise extensively. It is our choice to consume the crap they put in cans, boxes, and packaged meats. I cringe now when I thought I was feed my kids good breakfasts when I did not allow sugared cereal. I didn’t realize the non-sugared cereal was just as bad. Packaged oatmeal is even worse. The outer aisles of the grocery store is the best place to find healthy foods. After becoming used to to eating chips, crackers, cookies our bodies crave them, which makes it harder to give them up. Sugar is what is killing us. It makes us overweight, causes type 2 diabetes, and feed cancer cells. Our mothers and grandmothers did not have access to all this processed food and people were much healthier. People were definitely NOT much healthier. They died earlier so they didn't live as long with chronic illnesses such as heart disease and diabetes. They had worse nutrition (when is the last time you saw a child with rickets or scurvy?), worse dental health, and died from any number of things we don't have to die of today. And...all the foods they ate are still available to us if we so choose. Kidney disease was a death sentence. Heart disease was a waiting game. They smoked and ate processed meats and vegetables and got cancer and had strokes and unchecked high blood pressure, etc etc. I agree that food choices definitely play into developing or worsening those conditions, but that has been true for long before our mothers and grandmothers were around (at least mine, anyway). The difference is in HOW MUCH we have available to us at any given moment, rather than having to go make it or go buy it already made. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Nov 20, 2024 17:31:19 GMT
No one is making anyone eat anything, it's a human choice. But do you want to? That's up to you. This seems like an interesting take from someone who uses weight loss meds. Is it really choice? If it is, why does anyone need weight loss drugs? I've got to say that while I have been pushing back at my doctor's insistence on taking weight loss drugs to effect changes in my overall health, I've been doing it *because* of my brain health. I have known for a very long time that *my* brain does not work normally and that there's a very clear connection between food and lighting up the dopamine receptors of my brain. People with bipolar disorder are 3x more likely to be overweight than the average person. 3x times more likely than a population that only 25% of us have BMIs under 25 is frightening. This is the way my brain works. And weight loss drugs change the chemistry of the brain to feel differently about satiety and even, apparently, taste. For even people with no mental illness (known diagnosable chemical imbalances in the brain), these drugs affect changes in how the brain deals with food. While I push back on messing with my brain further (using weight loss drugs) to say that this comes down completely to simply choice, the more I learn and talk to people on them, it seems incredibly simplistic and flies in the face of what these drugs seem to do. And I say that as someone who opposes taking them myself. But I'm doing battle every day with my ability to make choices about my health, it isn't easy and surely does feel like a losing battle many days. |
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Post by peano on Nov 20, 2024 17:36:03 GMT
That's horrible and frustrating. I watched a Sanjay Gupta special on CNN that talked about Ozempic and similar meds. I have also listened to his podcast and I believe he had one of the doctors on an episode that was in the TV special. That doctor says that obesity is a disease and my understanding was that he was implying that people don't have any control over that. I don't think it is that simple. The experts are seeing that these meds can have positive impacts on various health issues, which is great. But I think we need to have a better understanding of how people get to the point that they need these meds to begin with. That is not to blame people, but to look at why we have more people with issues like obesity, behavioral and mental health disorders, etc now than we did in the past. I think it likely comes down to food and environmental factors but we need to know details of that. Are our bodies not getting what they need to naturally increase the hormones that we need to regulate these issues? If so, why? The answer is less processed food, not even more hyper-processed food. As someone who’s done intermittent fasting from time to time, I’ve observed that people eat all day long. Since DH has started working from home FT, I’ve noticed he noshes all day plus lunch. Ongirls’ and couples’ weekends, people are constantly eating. Most of the time I keep it to 2-3 meals a day. Supposedly the reason the French remain thin despite eating bread and butter and sauces is that they, too, don’t snack. We’ve become a snack culture. The doctors who recommend 6 or 8 small meals a day are doing no one any favors. Because every time you snack, you secrete insulin, a fat-storage hormone.
No doubt, processed foods are implicated. EVERYTHING has sugar/sweeteners in it. If it’s not sugar, it’s another name for sugar—malt syrup, inulin, etc. It takes effort and planning and $$$ to eat healthy foods like produce—and even more $$$ if it’s organic |
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Post by Zee on Nov 20, 2024 17:42:00 GMT
No one is making anyone eat anything, it's a human choice. But do you want to? That's up to you. This seems like an interesting take from someone who uses weight loss meds. Is it really choice? If it is, why does anyone need weight loss drugs? I've got to say that while I have been pushing back at my doctor's insistence on taking weight loss drugs to effect changes in my overall health, I've been doing it *because* of my brain health. I have known for a very long time that *my* brain does not work normally and that there's a very clear connection between food and lighting up the dopamine receptors of my brain. People with bipolar disorder are 3x more likely to be overweight than the average person. 3x times more likely than a population that only 25% of us have BMIs under 25 is frightening. This is the way my brain works. And weight loss drugs change the chemistry of the brain to feel differently about satiety and even, apparently, taste. For even people with no mental illness (known diagnosable chemical imbalances in the brain), these drugs affect changes in how the brain deals with food. While I push back on messing with my brain further (using weight loss drugs) to say that this comes down completely to simply choice, the more I learn and talk to people on them, it seems incredibly simplistic and flies in the face of what these drugs seem to do. And I say that as someone who opposes taking them myself. But I'm doing battle every day with my ability to make choices about my health, it isn't easy and surely does feel like a losing battle many days. It's an honest take. I don't want to eat a plum, I crave an apple pie instead. The meds quiet the cravings and I can skip that pie. Its noise is no longer in my head. I can skip both, because I don't need a snack. Or actually, I really don't need the sugar anymore, so I can grab a few almonds or a babybel instead. I have insulin resistance, have had for a very long time whether overweight or at a normal weight. It's just me. And the sugar cravings have been at times completely overwhelming to where I would binge and have immediate regrets and then it would all start up again a few hours later. I don't even keep that stuff in the house, but I would have to make a special run to get a candy bar or whatever. But that's my issue, not everyone else's. Is your answer to remove candy bars? A fast food prohibition? The meds stopped all that and it's been the best thing ever. |
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Post by papersilly on Nov 20, 2024 17:47:01 GMT
why would this be a surprise? food companies aren't in the moral business. they are in the money and profit business. if profits dip, company has to pivot to bring that lost money back.
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Post by Merge on Nov 20, 2024 17:47:37 GMT
So I have a confession to make - after posting some long post here a while back about how I wouldn't use semaglutide (though I've never criticized others for doing so), on impulse, I signed up with a company that does weight loss with compounded semaglutide. I'm currently on week 7 and have lost 13 lbs. What is relevant to this conversation: yes, I'm eating a lot less. Like there is no point in taking me to a restaurant. Snack food? No interest. I'm very worried about losing muscle, though, so I eat a lot of protein, and the easiest way to get that is through protein shakes and bars. I do my best to buy ones that don't contain more additives than they need to, but there's no getting around that these are highly processed foods. I supplement those with simple whole foods - usually just protein like salmon or chicken and a veggie or fruit. But there's no denying that I am now consuming more highly processed food each day than I have in years. I'm sure it would be better for me to find whole food ways to get adequate nutrition, but honestly I can't eat enough real food in one day to get the amount of protein and fiber I'm supposed to have. Another problem is that I'm tired. Exhausted, actually. I assume this is because I'm not eating "enough" (I am tracking and average about 1000 calories per day) but I cannot eat more. The exhaustion has also made working out very difficult as I simply don't have the energy for it. And it means that food preparation, which takes both forethought and physical energy, is difficult. I'm hoping this phase of tiredness will pass because I can't imagine spending the rest of my life like this. I don't know what the answer is. I haven't been a real consumer of Big Food for years, so they're not feeling any pinch from me continuing not to buy their products. It seems to me that if they want to reel in the Ozempic crowd, the best thing they can do is make high-quality products that deliver maximum nutritional benefit with the least volume. It will eventually pass, your body isn't used to this yet. I only use a maintenance dose of tirzepatide now and it's definitely different than in the beginning. I feel great and have energy. The first probably six months I was adjusting, losing weight, couldn't eat, sometimes felt dizzy and had to make sure I was staying hydrated. Sometimes all I could take in in a day was a hard boiled egg and Gatorade. That passes. I ended up losing 52 lbs and backed off on the dose because I was getting too skinny and looking drawn. I maintain my weight between 115-120 now (I'm 5'2") and got my usual healthy look back, and no one tells me I'm "too skinny" anymore or asks if I'm ok. Lol Thank you. That's good to hear validated. My husband has actually been concerned about me but I've been telling him it will pass. I also feel validated in finding that it does indeed take an unsustainably low amount of calories per day for me to actually lose weight. Without the meds, I wouldn't be able to do this. So now I have fear that the next government will ban these drugs for weight loss. |
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Post by Merge on Nov 20, 2024 17:49:51 GMT
why would this be a surprise? food companies aren't in the moral business. they are in the money and profit business. if profits dip, company has to pivot to bring that lost money back. Here in a capitalist society, every company is in the money and profit business. That's why they lobby against regulations that would make it harder for them to profit. I find it difficult to believe that RFK Jr. will convince Republicans to enact regulations that may reduce profits for their biggest donors. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Nov 20, 2024 17:52:52 GMT
I don't want to eat a plum, I crave an apple pie instead. The meds quiet the cravings and I can skip that pie. Its noise is no longer in my head. This is exactly what I'm talking about, you now have the ability to make a different choice easier than someone else because of the meds. You didn't before them. You made and would probably continue to be making poor choices if you were without them. Your initial post read as incredibly flippant. In the same vein of, if you don't have time to clean your house, well just hire a cleaning lady, when a lot of people can't afford a cleaning lady. It sounded incredibly dismissive of the sheer number of people (75% of Americans) struggling with their weight. Is your answer to remove candy bars? A fast food prohibition? No, my answer is that there's got to be some middle ground. Maybe regulation of processed foods similar to what the Europeans do. There's middle ground between ban and free for all. If you've read any of Michael Moss's books (Salt, Sugar, Fat or Hooked) you will read about the depths to which these companies go to make products that are irresistible and keep the dollars flowing. They are doing it on purpose and like you, many Americans are finding it hard to resist. I'm glad you have a tool to assist you with that choice that you feel good about using and have the discretionary income to do so. But I'd like to see some solidarity from all of us who have the financial abilities, educational abilities, time to cook, access to healthy foods advocate for those more vulnerable. |
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Post by jill8909 on Nov 20, 2024 17:53:24 GMT
The market is going to have to win this fight. It's only when people like me stop buying these awful foods that those companies will have to find another way to make money. I agree with this, but I hate that these companies can get away with very little regulation over what they pass off as food. There is this delicate balance, I think, between government regulation without becoming a nanny state and freedom to make choices despite how stupid and frequent they might be. There are so many arguments from cost to availability in relation to fresh foods and I get that. But those of us who are in a position to make better choices need to be advocating for people who aren't. I love cooking and I haven't yet met a vegetable I didn't like. (I thought I hated beets because of those god-awful pickled ones, but turns out, a roasted beet is delicious) I love baking and I cannot tell you the last time I had a store-bought cookie. And yet, some nights, I don't have it in me to cook and well, I will resort these days to raw vegetables and a can of beans with a slice of toasted sourdough. Nothing about that is sexy. So I think the biggest issue driving this is convenience. Until we have good options that are convenient and healthy, people are going to just do what they do, choose what they choose because the taste of a Stouffer's lasagna is not near as good as my homemade one, but it's way more attractive that my beans, raw veggies, sourdough dinner. And that's where I think they are going to make their headway. Convenience. very good points. thanks!!! we want freedom but we want a fair shot too against companies taking advantage and killing us. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Nov 20, 2024 17:55:19 GMT
why would this be a surprise? food companies aren't in the moral business. they are in the money and profit business. if profits dip, company has to pivot to bring that lost money back. This is 100% spot on. |
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Post by Zee on Nov 20, 2024 17:55:26 GMT
Also I want to add that you can eat crappy things and be healthy if you limit the amount, eat better choices the majority of the time, and stay active.
I don't think a prohibition is going to be a winning answer, the horse is already out of the gate. It isn't a secret to anyone other than little children that processed and fast foods are less healthy than vegetables and whole foods.
But this fits in tidily with wanting to get women back into the kitchen cooking healthy meals for their families, right where they should be.
It does seem to be pretty easy to see that two working parents means less time to devote to cooking healthy meals, shopping, meal planning, etc. and convenience wins out. Convenience means that some things are going to have to be ready made or processed to some degree if you work full time and have a family to care for as well.
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Post by papersilly on Nov 20, 2024 17:56:38 GMT
I find it difficult to believe that RFK Jr. will convince Republicans to enact regulations that may reduce profits for their biggest donors. he won't. this goes for donors and personal wealth increasing companies. i suspect that if you look at companies who democrat congressional members are invested in, you will find they own stock in companies that go against their public political stance but increase their personal wealth. |
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Post by huskergal on Nov 20, 2024 18:00:51 GMT
I agree with this, but I hate that these companies can get away with very little regulation over what they pass off as food. There is this delicate balance, I think, between government regulation without becoming a nanny state and freedom to make choices despite how stupid and frequent they might be. There are so many arguments from cost to availability in relation to fresh foods and I get that. But those of us who are in a position to make better choices need to be advocating for people who aren't. I love cooking and I haven't yet met a vegetable I didn't like. (I thought I hated beets because of those god-awful pickled ones, but turns out, a roasted beet is delicious) I love baking and I cannot tell you the last time I had a store-bought cookie. And yet, some nights, I don't have it in me to cook and well, I will resort these days to raw vegetables and a can of beans with a slice of toasted sourdough. Nothing about that is sexy. So I think the biggest issue driving this is convenience. Until we have good options that are convenient and healthy, people are going to just do what they do, choose what they choose because the taste of a Stouffer's lasagna is not near as good as my homemade one, but it's way more attractive that my beans, raw veggies, sourdough dinner. And that's where I think they are going to make their headway. Convenience.  I grew up with my mother eating those pickled beets, the most disgusting thing ever in my child's mind.  Then I got my first Instant Pot and discovered that beets are lovely! I pressure cook them, then eat them warm with salt, or cold with feta cheese and a vinaigrette dressing. mmmmm Can't comment on the rest of it yet because I haven't read the article, although I'm sure I agree with everything everyone else has said about the processed food/snack business. I love pickled beets. My mother used to can them. Yum! |
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Post by Zee on Nov 20, 2024 18:00:52 GMT
It will eventually pass, your body isn't used to this yet. I only use a maintenance dose of tirzepatide now and it's definitely different than in the beginning. I feel great and have energy. The first probably six months I was adjusting, losing weight, couldn't eat, sometimes felt dizzy and had to make sure I was staying hydrated. Sometimes all I could take in in a day was a hard boiled egg and Gatorade. That passes. I ended up losing 52 lbs and backed off on the dose because I was getting too skinny and looking drawn. I maintain my weight between 115-120 now (I'm 5'2") and got my usual healthy look back, and no one tells me I'm "too skinny" anymore or asks if I'm ok. Lol Thank you. That's good to hear validated. My husband has actually been concerned about me but I've been telling him it will pass. I also feel validated in finding that it does indeed take an unsustainably low amount of calories per day for me to actually lose weight. Without the meds, I wouldn't be able to do this. So now I have fear that the next government will ban these drugs for weight loss. I'll be on the next flight to wherever if I have to go back to living with that food noise in my head 24/7. When I say this is life changing, I really mean it. No more struggles, I just eat and go about my day. I even cook things I love and eat dessert! Just, smaller portions and I'm not thinking about what I want to eat 30 minutes after a snack. I eat whatever I want and I'm not fixating on it, if that makes sense. As we get older we definitely need less calories to go on about our day. I really only eat one main meal a day, with some smaller things here and there. I walk all over the place and feel really good again. |
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Post by Merge on Nov 20, 2024 18:03:07 GMT
I find it difficult to believe that RFK Jr. will convince Republicans to enact regulations that may reduce profits for their biggest donors. he won't. this goes for donors and personal wealth increasing companies. i suspect that if you look at companies who democrat congressional members are invested in, you will find they own stock in companies that go against their public political stance but increase their personal wealth. Of course. And I just happened to run across this example - corporations are expecting Trump to reduce consumer protection regulations, not add to them. apnews.com/article/delta-airlines-trump-biden-regulation-c4393d5f763d95c8286d4069563032dc |
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Post by Zee on Nov 20, 2024 18:05:35 GMT
I don't want to eat a plum, I crave an apple pie instead. The meds quiet the cravings and I can skip that pie. Its noise is no longer in my head. This is exactly what I'm talking about, you now have the ability to make a different choice easier than someone else because of the meds. You didn't before them. You made and would probably continue to be making poor choices if you were without them. Your initial post read as incredibly flippant. In the same vein of, if you don't have time to clean your house, well just hire a cleaning lady, when a lot of people can't afford a cleaning lady. It sounded incredibly dismissive of the sheer number of people (75% of Americans) struggling with their weight. Is your answer to remove candy bars? A fast food prohibition? No, my answer is that there's got to be some middle ground. Maybe regulation of processed foods similar to what the Europeans do. There's middle ground between ban and free for all. If you've read any of Michael Moss's books (Salt, Sugar, Fat or Hooked) you will read about the depths to which these companies go to make products that are irresistible and keep the dollars flowing. They are doing it on purpose and like you, many Americans are finding it hard to resist. I'm glad you have a tool to assist you with that choice that you feel good about using and have the discretionary income to do so. But I'd like to see some solidarity from all of us who have the financial abilities, educational abilities, time to cook, access to healthy foods advocate for those more vulnerable. Sorry you read it as flippant. It wasn't, it was a fact--you have the choice. I had the choice. Only privileged people will go get an apple pie instead of just eating nothing, obviously. My point was I couldn't get the food noise out of my head. That's not because anyone was making me eat an apple pie. I don't believe the answer is to remove the apple pie. I'll leave this now because as usual I think you're reading me the wrong way. ETA you post articles and when I don't agree with it and point out what I feel are flaws, you seem to take it personally. I think in the future I'll try to keep my thoughts to myself as they are not welcome in this instance, and I enjoy your contributions to the board and therefore don't feel like arguing with you or having to explain over again what I meant vs how it was taken. I admit that it's sometimes hard for me to read my comments in the way they're taken, because I can hear myself in my head not making it personal or being dismissive but it gets taken that way... That's on me I suppose. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Nov 20, 2024 18:07:44 GMT
I'll leave this now because as usual I think you're reading me the wrong way. Maybe I did read you the wrong way and if that is the case, I apologize. I thought we were just having a back and forth discussion. I think many of the things you have said here have been valuable to the conversation |
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Post by Zee on Nov 20, 2024 18:10:26 GMT
I'll leave this now because as usual I think you're reading me the wrong way. Maybe I did read you the wrong way and if that is the case, I apologize. I thought we were just having a back and forth discussion. I think many of the things you have said here have been valuable to the conversation I added an ETA. I'm sorry for coming across as flippant, that wasn't in my head at all. |
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Post by Zee on Nov 20, 2024 18:13:49 GMT
I just feel that rather than trying to blame others, let's put the onus on ourselves to change. It's not fair to others to ban or regulate those apple pies because I myself want to eat them.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Nov 20, 2024 18:17:08 GMT
you post articles and when I don't agree with it and point out what I feel are flaws, you seem to take it personally. I'm sorry you feel that way about me. I do share my personal experiences, but I don't take disagreement personally, if that makes sense. I'm open to all forms of discussion and like it best when others have a bunch of various opinions and thoughts to share. I also don't consider going back and forth trying to understand someone as an argument, but instead I feel that it's discussion. |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Nov 20, 2024 18:17:30 GMT
nother problem is that I'm tired. Exhausted, actually. I assume this is because I'm not eating "enough" (I am tracking and average about 1000 calories per day) but I cannot eat more. The exhaustion has also made working out very difficult as I simply don't have the energy for it. And it means that food preparation, which takes both forethought and physical energy, is difficult. I'm hoping this phase of tiredness will pass because I can't imagine spending the rest of my life like this. if you're actively losing that much weight and eating pretty low calories, then don't exercise... like Zee said, you'll get 'caught up' to what's going on in your body. I did a medically assisted VLCD (very low calorie diet) for a while and they specifically told you NOT to exercise while the large weight losses were happening. And good for you!! |
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Post by austnscrapaddict on Nov 20, 2024 18:19:15 GMT
Thanks so much for sharing this! You make me want to subscribe to the NY Times, I am saddened by the amount of processed foods that are available and how many people think that is the only way to cook. Some of the processed foods are so ridiculous, I recently had some houseguests, they brought food for their "picky" 9 yr old. this kid would only eat chicken nuggets and frozen pancakes, He wouldn't touch the pancakes I made from scratch. To me, some of the processed foods are more complicated to make than scratch foods.
It's like the American Healthcare system, there is no easy fix/ answer and big $$ has a way of winning. Each individual has to do what they can and make their own choices, but I sincerely worry for future generations.
I'm curious as to what the long term effects of weight loss meds will be. I understand the drugs help quiet the "chatter" and slows digestion, but do people use it as a crutch or an aid to help make better decisions?
I could say soooooo many things on this subject but my thoughts aren't organized.
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Post by Zee on Nov 20, 2024 18:21:55 GMT
nother problem is that I'm tired. Exhausted, actually. I assume this is because I'm not eating "enough" (I am tracking and average about 1000 calories per day) but I cannot eat more. The exhaustion has also made working out very difficult as I simply don't have the energy for it. And it means that food preparation, which takes both forethought and physical energy, is difficult. I'm hoping this phase of tiredness will pass because I can't imagine spending the rest of my life like this. if you're actively losing that much weight and eating pretty low calories, then don't exercise... like Zee said, you'll get 'caught up' to what's going on in your body. I did a medically assisted VLCD (very low calorie diet) for a while and they specifically told you NOT to exercise while the large weight losses were happening. And good for you!! Yes, don't worry about exercising if you're tired. You will unfortunately lose some muscle mass. You can put it back on later. Here's something important I didn't do: TAKE VITAMINS! HAIR SKIN AND NAILS TOO! I lost about 1/3 of my hair after about 9 months. I thought I was not going to and then it caught up to me. It's growing back in but I sure couldn't really afford to lose that much. I keep it chin-length for now and the new growth is about halfway there. I dyed it pink for fun. 🩷 |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Nov 20, 2024 18:21:56 GMT
No one is making anyone eat anything, it's a human choice. But do you want to? That's up to you. This seems like an interesting take from someone who uses weight loss meds. Is it really choice? If it is, why does anyone need weight loss drugs? I've got to say that while I have been pushing back at my doctor's insistence on taking weight loss drugs to effect changes in my overall health, I've been doing it *because* of my brain health. I have known for a very long time that *my* brain does not work normally and that there's a very clear connection between food and lighting up the dopamine receptors of my brain. People with bipolar disorder are 3x more likely to be overweight than the average person. 3x times more likely than a population that only 25% of us have BMIs under 25 is frightening. This is the way my brain works. And weight loss drugs change the chemistry of the brain to feel differently about satiety and even, apparently, taste. For even people with no mental illness (known diagnosable chemical imbalances in the brain), these drugs affect changes in how the brain deals with food. While I push back on messing with my brain further (using weight loss drugs) to say that this comes down completely to simply choice, the more I learn and talk to people on them, it seems incredibly simplistic and flies in the face of what these drugs seem to do. And I say that as someone who opposes taking them myself. But I'm doing battle every day with my ability to make choices about my health, it isn't easy and surely does feel like a losing battle many days. it's a much more DIFFICULT choice when you factor in peoples' economic situations, living situations, whether someone knows how to cook, whether that healthy food is available to them where they live, their time, etc. etc. It is NOT a simple choice. AT ALL. eta: and considering how much added sugar, salt and fat is in our 'food' then out-exercising a bad diet is practically impossible. the 'food' is so lacking in nutrition that people eat more, their brain lights up, conditions them to eat more, and voila- extra pounds. 3500 extra calories = 1 lb weight gain. Consider that one 20 oz Coke has something like 12+ teaspoons of sugar in, and consider what a regular person eats / drinks on a daily basis. There's no way to exercise that off. |
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Post by Tearisci on Nov 20, 2024 18:22:35 GMT
Thank you. That's good to hear validated. My husband has actually been concerned about me but I've been telling him it will pass. I also feel validated in finding that it does indeed take an unsustainably low amount of calories per day for me to actually lose weight. Without the meds, I wouldn't be able to do this. So now I have fear that the next government will ban these drugs for weight loss. I'll be on the next flight to wherever if I have to go back to living with that food noise in my head 24/7. When I say this is life changing, I really mean it. No more struggles, I just eat and go about my day. I even cook things I love and eat dessert! Just, smaller portions and I'm not thinking about what I want to eat 30 minutes after a snack. I eat whatever I want and I'm not fixating on it, if that makes sense. As we get older we definitely need less calories to go on about our day. I really only eat one main meal a day, with some smaller things here and there. I walk all over the place and feel really good again. I've just come to this point in the last week or so where nothing sounds good and I'm eating a lot less. I tried semaglutide and that didn't work for me but the Mounjaro at 5mgs is working. The problem is that I know I need to eat but I just don't want to. I don't like vegetables and have a total carb-tooth. That is somewhat going away but I'm running into things that I've always liked, I don't have a taste for any more. I do buy a lot of processed food because it's easier at the end of the day but I know I'm not doing myself any favors and now might be able to counteract some of the damage I've done over the years. I'm going for a gastric sleeve next year because I have a substantial amount of weight to lose but this is putting me on the right track toward that. I'm looking forward to getting through the holidays with a loss this year (mashed potatoes and stuffing, I'm looking at you!) |
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Post by Zee on Nov 20, 2024 18:26:15 GMT
I'll be on the next flight to wherever if I have to go back to living with that food noise in my head 24/7. When I say this is life changing, I really mean it. No more struggles, I just eat and go about my day. I even cook things I love and eat dessert! Just, smaller portions and I'm not thinking about what I want to eat 30 minutes after a snack. I eat whatever I want and I'm not fixating on it, if that makes sense. As we get older we definitely need less calories to go on about our day. I really only eat one main meal a day, with some smaller things here and there. I walk all over the place and feel really good again. I've just come to this point in the last week or so where nothing sounds good and I'm eating a lot less. I tried semaglutide and that didn't work for me but the Mounjaro at 5mgs is working. The problem is that I know I need to eat but I just don't want to. I don't like vegetables and have a total carb-tooth. That is somewhat going away but I'm running into things that I've always liked, I don't have a taste for any more. I do buy a lot of processed food because it's easier at the end of the day but I know I'm not doing myself any favors and now might be able to counteract some of the damage I've done over the years. I'm going for a gastric sleeve next year because I have a substantial amount of weight to lose but this is putting me on the right track toward that. I'm looking forward to getting through the holidays with a loss this year (mashed potatoes and stuffing, I'm looking at you!) It was hard to eat for a while. And as an interesting add to this thread, only whole or less processed foods were even palatable at first. I ate a slice of homemade bread with butter, a babybel or other cheese, a pickle, and a few almonds. That would be my meal. Or a hard boiled egg. I still bring those things with me to with to eat at night. I haven't had an apple pie in months and months 😉 |
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Post by Tearisci on Nov 20, 2024 18:30:44 GMT
I'll also add that I can see both viewpoints from @zee and jeremysgirl so I hope you will continue to both post on this thread. it's a good healthy (get it) discussion! |
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Post by Merge on Nov 20, 2024 18:42:40 GMT
if you're actively losing that much weight and eating pretty low calories, then don't exercise... like Zee said, you'll get 'caught up' to what's going on in your body. I did a medically assisted VLCD (very low calorie diet) for a while and they specifically told you NOT to exercise while the large weight losses were happening. And good for you!! Yes, don't worry about exercising if you're tired. You will unfortunately lose some muscle mass. You can put it back on later. Here's something important I didn't do: TAKE VITAMINS! HAIR SKIN AND NAILS TOO! I lost about 1/3 of my hair after about 9 months. I thought I was not going to and then it caught up to me. It's growing back in but I sure couldn't really afford to lose that much. I keep it chin-length for now and the new growth is about halfway there. I dyed it pink for fun. 🩷 Ugh, do not want that. I already take minoxidil/finasteride because my hair is so thin. I'm going to have to buy pill vitamins - since I upped my dose, I cannot stomach the gummy vitamins that used to be my nightly dessert.  I don't know how comfortable I am with not exercising at all. I've been reducing the amount of time, speed, and/or weight compared to what I was doing before and hopefully that will be enough. |
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Post by ~summer~ on Nov 20, 2024 19:01:14 GMT
While I’ve never been a big sweets person I used to completely crave bread (a good baguette with butter please), potato chips, French fries etc.
After about 3 years of cutting refined carbs almost completely out of my diet I can honestly say I no longer crave those things - I do absolutely crave fresh fruit (a good plum or peach lol) and sautéed or roasted vegetables.
But it is HARD to get there and so much is circumstances. I walk to barre in evening and pick up a plum (lol) from the little market on my way home which is very convenient or healthy. As an empty nester I am no longer cooking for hungry young adults.
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Then I got my first Instant Pot and discovered that beets are lovely! I pressure cook them, then eat them warm with salt, or cold with feta cheese and a vinaigrette dressing. mmmmm
