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Post by hopemax on Nov 26, 2024 1:41:15 GMT
Just in case you thought it was just campaign rhetoric, Trump posted on Truth Social this afternoon that one of his first actions will be to institute a 25% tariff for imports from Mexico and Canada. Also 10% will be added to the current tariffs for imports from China. www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-promises-25-tariff-products-mexico-canada-2024-11-25/This won't only harm our economy but the economies of those two countries as well. 83% of Mexico's exports are to the US, 75% of Canada's. Both their currencies lost value against the dollar immediately. I don't think anyone is prepared for how this is going to affect domestic businesses whose supply chain is dependent on products from those countries. I'm looking for a good list of what we import from those places. I know that car parts and electronics are at the top of the list for Mexico. I also saw that only 40% of tomatoes are grown domestically. About a month ago I bought some Canadian maple syrup. I took it out of the cabinet, showed DH and said, "this is now gold." ETA: Apparently, our total imports from those countries is $800 billion. Even if you believe this will eventually lead to more domestic production, how long will it take to get to being able to produce those things, when domestic operations who do produce that stuff, also rely on imported goods? This isn't a "in 6 months the supply chain will work itself out," proposition.
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Post by hopemax on Nov 26, 2024 1:47:21 GMT
In addition, Trump's nominee for the Treasury Secretary gave an interview this weekend where he said, "inflation can't happen." “tariffs can’t be inflationary because if the price of one thing goes up, unless you give people more money, then they have less money to spend on the other thing, so there is no inflation.” “The inflation comes through either increasing the money supply or increasing the government spending, and that’s what happened under Biden,” www.cnn.com/2024/11/25/business/ceos-react-bessent-trump-treasury-pickEveryone needs to start thinking in terms of what they will give up, yesterday, and if their family's income source correlates to 'things people will give up." They are making this as clear as day, so all of us need to heed what we are being told.
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Post by katlady on Nov 26, 2024 1:54:25 GMT
Here are some of what we import from the three countries:
“The United States’ top import from Canada is oil, which reached a record 4.3 million barrels per day in July, according to the US Energy Information Administration. America also imports cars, machinery and other various commodities, plastics and wood from Canada, according to the United Nations’ Comtrade.
America gets the majority of its cars and car parts from Mexico, which surpassed China as the top exporter to the US in 2023, according to trade data released by the Commerce Department earlier this year. Mexico is also a major supplier of electronics, machinery, oil and optical apparatus, and a significant amount of furniture and alcohol comes from the country into the United States.
The United States imports a significant amount of electronics from China, in addition to machinery, toys, games, sports equipment, furniture and plastics.”
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Post by hopemax on Nov 26, 2024 2:04:33 GMT
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 26, 2024 2:05:07 GMT
Interesting. So unexpected, too.
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Post by katlady on Nov 26, 2024 2:11:01 GMT
This may finally kill off Ford and GM.
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Post by lisae on Nov 26, 2024 2:12:32 GMT
He suggests that Canada and Mexico have a magic fix to the flow of drugs from their countries into ours. If there were a magical fix for crime, it would have been solved by all countries years ago. And if we are the one with an open border as he acknowledges, how can they stop the flow of immigrants? As usual, he makes no sense.
The increase of dollars into the economy started with the Trump tax cuts and his Covid spending.
The idea that across-the-board tariffs won't severely impact the economy is nonsensical.
Extortion and blackmail are not foreign policy or good economic policy. They are bully tactics and bullies always lose eventually.
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Post by Merge on Nov 26, 2024 2:18:16 GMT
I posted this on the political catch-all thread: So he’s not only going to put tariffs on American produce grown in Mexico (that’s about 69% of our vegetables and 50% of fruit), he’s going to drive up the price of American grown produce by deporting the people who pick and process it. www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/chart-gallery/gallery/chart-detail/?chartId=107008I can’t wait to hear how his voters blame this on the Democrats.
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Post by hopemax on Nov 26, 2024 2:22:39 GMT
About that "Americans need to eat healthier." www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/chart-gallery/gallery/chart-detail/?chartId=107008#:~:text=In%202022,%20Mexico%20and%20Canada,imports%20in%20terms%20of%20value.  I forget, has he said anything that might affect the supply of those fruits & vegetables that are grown domestically? Yeah, I'm posting a lot. I just won't be able to take any, "How / why is all of this happening?" posts when the inevitable happens. They told us in advance. And this is what's at risk. This tiny, little, corner of the internets will know what is at stake.
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Post by hopemax on Nov 26, 2024 2:23:16 GMT
I posted this on the political catch-all thread: So he’s not only going to put tariffs on American produce grown in Mexico (that’s about 69% of our vegetables and 50% of fruit), he’s going to drive up the price of American grown produce by deporting the people who pick and process it. www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/chart-gallery/gallery/chart-detail/?chartId=107008I can’t wait to hear how his voters blame this on the Democrats. GMTA!
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Post by seaexplore on Nov 26, 2024 2:23:44 GMT
And we all have a front row seat to the shit show. Sigh.
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Post by Merge on Nov 26, 2024 2:33:52 GMT
I posted this on the political catch-all thread: So he’s not only going to put tariffs on American produce grown in Mexico (that’s about 69% of our vegetables and 50% of fruit), he’s going to drive up the price of American grown produce by deporting the people who pick and process it. www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/chart-gallery/gallery/chart-detail/?chartId=107008I can’t wait to hear how his voters blame this on the Democrats. GMTA! Really, any idiot should be able to see what's going to happen. But you know Trump voters ...
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Post by hopemax on Nov 26, 2024 2:36:03 GMT
Somehow, when they are staring at the empty produce shelves wondering why they can't buy X all year round, like they used to, it will still be Bill Clinton's fault! You know, for NAFTA.
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 26, 2024 2:41:01 GMT
I posted this on the political catch-all thread: So he’s not only going to put tariffs on American produce grown in Mexico (that’s about 69% of our vegetables and 50% of fruit), he’s going to drive up the price of American grown produce by deporting the people who pick and process it. www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/chart-gallery/gallery/chart-detail/?chartId=107008I can’t wait to hear how his voters blame this on the Democrats. I am curious about that too. They get awfully creative with blame. I’m sure though, that Trump has a genius plan for bringing down the price of eggs.
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Post by Merge on Nov 26, 2024 2:48:18 GMT
I posted this on the political catch-all thread: So he’s not only going to put tariffs on American produce grown in Mexico (that’s about 69% of our vegetables and 50% of fruit), he’s going to drive up the price of American grown produce by deporting the people who pick and process it. www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/chart-gallery/gallery/chart-detail/?chartId=107008I can’t wait to hear how his voters blame this on the Democrats. I am curious about that too. They get awfully creative with blame. I’m sure though, that Trump has a genius plan for bringing down the price of eggs. He won't. They'll just seem cheap next to your lettuce, tomatoes, peppers, avocados, berries, citrus ...
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Post by Texas Scrap on Nov 26, 2024 2:57:13 GMT
I just read about this in the NYT. My hope is that American business leaders will raise their voices and Trump will back off given pressure and push back from big business players who will care about the impact to their businesses down the line.
One can hope!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 26, 2024 3:02:03 GMT
Here come the 'victory gardens', backyard chickens, but of course those in apartments and condos are out of luck, or in cities!
Will he stop the Mexicans crossing the border to work in the US and the Americans who go the other way, each and every day?
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 26, 2024 3:13:18 GMT
I am curious about that too. They get awfully creative with blame. I’m sure though, that Trump has a genius plan for bringing down the price of eggs. He won't. They'll just seem cheap next to your lettuce, tomatoes, peppers, avocados, berries, citrus ... Fair point. I marvel at Trump. It takes some serious chutzpah to announce that some prices will be higher before you’re even sworn in.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 26, 2024 3:21:50 GMT
He won't. They'll just seem cheap next to your lettuce, tomatoes, peppers, avocados, berries, citrus ... Fair point. I marvel at Trump. It takes some serious chutzpah to announce that some prices will be higher before you’re even sworn in. Not surprising, not too bright!! I feel like someone else is pulling the strings... However: A key economic expert laid bare the potentially devastating consequences to the U.S. economy if Donald Trump tries to unwind President Joe Biden's legislative accomplishments when he takes office. "The White House announced today that the infrastructure bills passed during the Biden administration have spurred over $1 trillion in private sector investments," posted Steven Rattner, an MSNBC economic analyst and former adviser to the Obama administration on rescuing the auto industry. "If Trump tries to repeal these laws, the consequences would be costly."Rattner referenced a Monday announcement from the White House that discussed the impact of a pair of bipartisan bills signed by Biden, the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act and the CHIPS and Science Act, along with the Democratic-backed health care and energy reform bill known as the Inflation Reduction Act. Together, said the statement, all of this legislation "has helped attract over $1 trillion in announced private-sector investments. These investments in industries of the future are ensuring the future is made in America, by American workers. And they’re creating opportunities in communities too often left behind." While Trump hasn't outright said he will repeal any of these laws, and it's unclear whether he'd have the votes to do so, he may be in a position to at least hobble their implementation; his Treasury Secretary pick, Scott Bessent, has called the IRA a "doomsday machine for the budget" and may have some power to rewrite regulations around the law's tax giveaways for clean energy development. All of this comes as economists sound the alarm over Trump's plan to enact mass deportation and draconian new tariffs across consumer markets, raising fears that higher inflation, only recently stabilized, could come roaring back. www.rawstory.com/trump-biden-programs/
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2024 3:26:06 GMT
Here come the 'victory gardens', backyard chickens, but of course those in apartments and condos are out of luck, or in cities! We live in a condo. I was looking at the facebook page of a CSA we used the first summer of the pandemic. One of their posts was something like “please thank x, y and z for all their hard work! They’re headed home to Mexico but we’ll see them next spring!”. The most recent comment was basically ‘I’m very grateful for them. I’m also very concerned they won’t be let back in the US’. I would love to lock in a weekly produce delivery at decent prices, but now I’m concerned they won’t be able to fulfill the orders. This sucks so much.
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Post by Zee on Nov 26, 2024 3:27:58 GMT
What genius! I hope his voters and fans truly enjoy this.
Not that I expect it to come to pass...it will probably be more like his wall the Mexicans were going to build and pay for.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 26, 2024 3:33:10 GMT
What genius! I hope his voters and fans truly enjoy this. Not that I expect it to come to pass...it will probably be more like his wall the Mexicans were going to build and pay for. We do need to remember he only built 52+ miles of new wall and repaired wire on about 500+ miles of old barricades.
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Post by pinklady on Nov 26, 2024 3:34:18 GMT
The morons who voted for this will blame Kamala for the high prices, right?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 26, 2024 3:36:15 GMT
Screwing our closest neighbors!!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2024 3:52:57 GMT
According to the geniuses at r/Conservative: • He’s manufacturing leverage to negotiate. • As long as federal income tax gets abolished I'm all for tariffs. • We like Trump because he fights. Platitudes and ideals don't move the ball to the goal. • Good, make them pay! • He trying to pressure company’s to come back to the U.S. I he using it as a tool to bring back businesses to the U.S. Its also great revenue. • If the courts are going to allow the executive branch to have legislative power Republicans should use it because the Democrats sure as hell will. •Priority #1 is running the ball at least as far forward as the other team ran it backward, everything else comes after that. Our enemies don't give a damn how polite we were to them when they punish us for the crime of existing. • My theory is it’s just an empty threat for negotiation.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Nov 26, 2024 3:53:21 GMT
And I wouldn’t be surprised if Mexico and Canada in turn impose retaliatory tariffs further hurting our businesses. And I wouldn’t blame them for doing so. We are so screwed.
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Post by epeanymous on Nov 26, 2024 4:00:25 GMT
I mean, people voted for this. Everyone was fully warned.
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Post by Merge on Nov 26, 2024 4:19:42 GMT
I mean, people voted for this. Everyone was fully warned. We were assured by one of his voters on this board that he wouldn’t actually do any of the stuff he said he would do. 🙄
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Post by jill8909 on Nov 26, 2024 4:20:23 GMT
This is just the beginning of people saying "I didn't know this would happen."
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Post by jill8909 on Nov 26, 2024 4:21:33 GMT
I mean, people voted for this. Everyone was fully warned. Oh but he just talks to own the libs. It's all the lamestreet media distorting what he says. etc etc. As long as it doesn't hurt THEM, they are fine with him.
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