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Post by sunshine on Dec 15, 2024 20:05:37 GMT
I’m sure the dems and leftists will make sure of that. And they will do their damndest to make sure there will be some kind of disaster. I’m still not worried in the least. While I almost always disagree with you and give you a lot of eye rolls (as I am sure you do me. 😉😄), I always give you credit for attempting to show and defend that MAGA supporters can be people that are ‘supposedly’ regular people who just view the facts differently (or just subscribe to a different set of facts 😆) and not CULTIST consumed by weird conspiracy theories. You just lost me here. WTF, you actually think anyone that you choose to label a liberal would actually try to create disasters to hurt the Trump administration, our country (where we actually live), or our economy (which we have to live with also) is ludicrous. If Trump is the magic pill and things are miraculously golden DAY ONE as he says they will be I (and I would bet most people) will admit to being wrong. I am not out to burn down the US and rebuild. I am for trying to make it so we all can live and thrive, with all of our blemishes and problems and with all of our wealth and privileges (because we do have so many as compared to the actual number of people on this earth). But doing this in an ever changing world that is interconnected and knowing there is no way we can revert to how things were decades or centuries ago because the world, people, technology, etc has changed. There is no getting the genie back in the bottle. But in my (IMO 😄) logical brain…looking back on the 40+ years that Trump has played his life out in the public eye, the people he is choosing, and the actual written and/or spoken on video words that they are providing us with does not point us in the correct direction. I hope I am wrong. But I (and absolutely no one that I know) would never ever wish/hope for a disaster or any badness to happen to OUR country just to prove that Trump is a narcissist, conman, grifter, criminal (borderline?) and really only out for himself and all the adulation he receives from MAGA supporters. Again, that is ludicrous and really anti liberal. We also are not for ‘open borders’ as I am sure you know since you profess to be logical and just view the facts differently and are not a conspiracy theorist. I have to say now that Trump has won much more of your belief in conspiracy theories are coming to light and more of your ‘I just have a different opinion’ is dropping away. And I know that my disappointment in your changing standards will really bother you and make you take note. 🤣🤣🤣 I remember a time not that long ago, 2017-2020, reports of the intelligence community not giving trump intelligence updates and reports. I also remember the darlings of the left, CNN & MSNBC, celebrating this. Then there were the lefties here celebrating that. Don’t underestimate the evil from the left, because anyone that thought that was the right thing to do is unhinged. |
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Post by hopemax on Dec 15, 2024 21:21:23 GMT
There is a whole thread about the drones, but you chose to post this here. It won’t be that easy to attempt to deflect come January 20th. Oh please. I posted on this thread because: 1. I can, and 2. This is the thread about embarrassing the US, so what better place to discuss joe biden, the embarrassing disaster to the US? Deflection? You folks are so absolutely obsessed with the pre-joe and post-joe years you refuse to look at the here and now, what’s happening today. Fine, let's talk about now. Let's talk about the GOP politician who saw drones, had video of drones and it was the constellation Orion. What's the embarrassment score for that? What about the other GOP politician who said it was from an Iranian mothership? It's clear that there are a great many people that have never bothered to look up at night and see exactly how much stuff is flying around, including recreational and commercial grade drones, and normal aircraft with appropriate, functional lighting packages. And a great number of people who are seeking the belonging and community of "I saw a drone!" Throw in some copycat drone operators and people have lost their minds. This isn't the first time such a thing has happened. People freaked out over the War of the Worlds radio broadcast, and someone on social media remembered an event that happened in my hometown when people saw damage on their cars and connected it to nuclear fallout from US government tests (it was just people are unaware of the state of the vehicles). There is a reason why eye-witness testimony is unreliable. In your list of what is going on options, you didn't list the most obvious place to start: there is no danger. So what is the appropriate reaction to people who have convinced themselves it's government action, either theirs or ours. People who have so little trust in public institutions, that unless the answer includes their pet theory, it *has* to be a sign of a coverup or incompetence? And if you are *so* worried about national security, good luck with the Intelligence and military folks that will be tasked on settling scores rather than keeping you safe. I hope you will be paying attention to whether capital is being spent on stopping China, Iran, Russia or harassing and embarrassing Clintons, Bidens, Cheneys and other people who have exhausted their political power, but at one point said something mean about Donald Trump. Which path will be chosen to demonstrate "toughness." Because this is kinda what this comes down to. People are worried about foreign interference and the ability of our government and infrastructure to deal with it. Post election, this is reaching new heights for a lot of folks. People coming to grips on what the next 4 years will look like. If this drone reaction is a preview of what we can expect, we are so screwed. |
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Post by cindosha on Dec 15, 2024 21:37:28 GMT
While I almost always disagree with you and give you a lot of eye rolls (as I am sure you do me. 😉😄), I always give you credit for attempting to show and defend that MAGA supporters can be people that are ‘supposedly’ regular people who just view the facts differently (or just subscribe to a different set of facts 😆) and not CULTIST consumed by weird conspiracy theories. You just lost me here. WTF, you actually think anyone that you choose to label a liberal would actually try to create disasters to hurt the Trump administration, our country (where we actually live), or our economy (which we have to live with also) is ludicrous. If Trump is the magic pill and things are miraculously golden DAY ONE as he says they will be I (and I would bet most people) will admit to being wrong. I am not out to burn down the US and rebuild. I am for trying to make it so we all can live and thrive, with all of our blemishes and problems and with all of our wealth and privileges (because we do have so many as compared to the actual number of people on this earth). But doing this in an ever changing world that is interconnected and knowing there is no way we can revert to how things were decades or centuries ago because the world, people, technology, etc has changed. There is no getting the genie back in the bottle. But in my (IMO 😄) logical brain…looking back on the 40+ years that Trump has played his life out in the public eye, the people he is choosing, and the actual written and/or spoken on video words that they are providing us with does not point us in the correct direction. I hope I am wrong. But I (and absolutely no one that I know) would never ever wish/hope for a disaster or any badness to happen to OUR country just to prove that Trump is a narcissist, conman, grifter, criminal (borderline?) and really only out for himself and all the adulation he receives from MAGA supporters. Again, that is ludicrous and really anti liberal. We also are not for ‘open borders’ as I am sure you know since you profess to be logical and just view the facts differently and are not a conspiracy theorist. I have to say now that Trump has won much more of your belief in conspiracy theories are coming to light and more of your ‘I just have a different opinion’ is dropping away. And I know that my disappointment in your changing standards will really bother you and make you take note. 🤣🤣🤣 I remember a time not that long ago, 2017-2020, reports of the intelligence community not giving trump intelligence updates and reports. I also remember the darlings of the left, CNN & MSNBC, celebrating this. Then there were the lefties here celebrating that. Don’t underestimate the evil from the left, because anyone that thought that was the right thing to do is unhinged. I don’t think the left, including the news media and politicians, but especially the news media, did anything to make the opposing politicians presidential run anything but a disaster. That included indicting him on charges that would never have been filed had he not been running for president, taking him off the ballot/attempting to take him off the ballot in several states and spewing hateful rhetoric against Trump that was probably the cause of his two assassination attempts, including by the current president when he said he wanted to put a bullseye on Trump. Trump was continually called a Nazi, hitler, dictator and Trump’s supporters were called the same. Just about everything Trump says is taken out of context and reported falsely. The news initially reported that the assassination attempt was faked, that he was never shot, wasn’t actually hit by a bullet but it was shrapnel, and this was actually reiterated by several on this board, including some posting that they were disappointed that the shooter missed. You can hardly blame me or others for feeling like Trump is going to be stonewalled at every turn, beginning with and including denigrating every single cabinet pick and policy implementation so far. I get it, people are shocked, angry and disappointed that their candidate lost. I would have felt the same way if harris won. But they aren’t and probably will not make this presidency easy for Trump. As for you’re not being for open borders…you personally might not be, but it didn’t stop 10million+ from flooding over the border in the last 4 years, a fentanyl crises from erupting in the last 4 years and 300,000+ children being unaccounted for on the biden/harris watch. That wasn’t something Trump had a hand in. ETA: the post above this one just confirms my “conspiracy theory”. |
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Post by hopemax on Dec 15, 2024 22:07:54 GMT
I remember a time not that long ago, 2017-2020, reports of the intelligence community not giving trump intelligence updates and reports. I also remember the darlings of the left, CNN & MSNBC, celebrating this. Then there were the lefties here celebrating that. Don’t underestimate the evil from the left, because anyone that thought that was the right thing to do is unhinged. I need the geese "Why" meme. *Why* weren't Trump-chosen administration officials giving Trump full reports? People of his own party! grasping with the concept of the President not being able to handle the responsibility of reading typical documents, and needing them to be limited to 1-2 pages, with graphical representations, in order to have a chance of understanding is distressing. The fear that he would blurt out the information at inappropriate moments to inappropriate people. The realization, after the fact, that even limited information didn't stop Trump from sharing nuclear sub capabilities with Australian businessman Anthony Pratt, and who knows what, with whom else. You can't blame Trump's capacities for the situation *existing in the first place* so you have to find a way to make the *reaction,* a lefty problem. Humans stumble around a lot when dealing with horrifying information, so I am not surprised you would seize on a poor media response to the same info that made you unable to center it on Trump... as "celebration." It's a reasonable response to seeing how much damage a person made with a regular car to be happy that they weren't driving a big wheel truck. That doesn't make it celebration, it's still all a reaction to horror. Wonder what's going to happen in this next go around... Will he get full briefings? Will he share them with someone without a security clearance to help him understand? Like Elon Musk? Will he get rid of security clearances? Will he just not read them at all? Would he order they just not be written. Intelligence programs suspended, so there is nothing to report on (saves money too)? So many possibilities. |
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Post by Merge on Dec 15, 2024 22:48:02 GMT
www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/2024-election-surveys-show-trump-voters-misinformed-on-major-issues-by-j-bradford-delong-2024-11In a Reuters/Ipsos poll taken in early October, potential voters who knew or assumed that violent crime was not at or near all-time highs favored Kamala Harris by a 65-percentage-point margin, whereas those who were misinformed broke for Donald Trump by a 26-point margin. Likewise, among those who understood that inflation had declined over the past year, Harris was up by 53 points, whereas Trump was up by 19 points among the misinformed. Among those who knew that the stock market was at an all-time high, Harris was up by 20; and among those who knew that southern border crossings had declined, Harris was up by 59. What are we dealing with here? Do Trump voters express misinformed beliefs about violent crime rates, the inflation rate, the stock market, and border crossings because they are Trump voters, or are they Trump voters because they truly believe these falsehoods and are genuinely fearful for their country’s future? If it is the latter, one must ask how they came to hold these false beliefs. And once we understand that, we need to figure out what to do about an information ecosystem that hoodwinked millions of people and turned our politics into a clown show.
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 15, 2024 23:14:13 GMT
Now this is funny and if it happens it couldn’t happen to a more deserving person…. The Halfway Post… ”BREAKING: Donald Trump is reportedly furious that several TikTok trends are going viral urging everyone who can attend his inaugural address to bring kazoos, recorders, and vuvuzelas to interrupt his speech” x.com/halfwaypost/status/1868340146824950228?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nw |
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Post by cindosha on Dec 15, 2024 23:22:40 GMT
Now this is funny and if it happens it couldn’t happen to a more deserving person…. The Halfway Post… ”BREAKING: Donald Trump is reportedly furious that several TikTok trends are going viral urging everyone who can attend his inaugural address to bring kazoos, recorders, and vuvuzelas to interrupt his speech” x.com/halfwaypost/status/1868340146824950228?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nwReportedly? By whose report? He’ll just turn up the volume on the speakers. 😆😆😆 |
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 15, 2024 23:29:34 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 16, 2024 1:50:57 GMT
www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/2024-election-surveys-show-trump-voters-misinformed-on-major-issues-by-j-bradford-delong-2024-11In a Reuters/Ipsos poll taken in early October, potential voters who knew or assumed that violent crime was not at or near all-time highs favored Kamala Harris by a 65-percentage-point margin, whereas those who were misinformed broke for Donald Trump by a 26-point margin. Likewise, among those who understood that inflation had declined over the past year, Harris was up by 53 points, whereas Trump was up by 19 points among the misinformed. Among those who knew that the stock market was at an all-time high, Harris was up by 20; and among those who knew that southern border crossings had declined, Harris was up by 59. What are we dealing with here? Do Trump voters express misinformed beliefs about violent crime rates, the inflation rate, the stock market, and border crossings because they are Trump voters, or are they Trump voters because they truly believe these falsehoods and are genuinely fearful for their country’s future? If it is the latter, one must ask how they came to hold these false beliefs. And once we understand that, we need to figure out what to do about an information ecosystem that hoodwinked millions of people and turned our politics into a clown show. Those misinformed... Whether they want to be or not, TFG brags about liking uneducated voters. That is where this country it headed with their new schools teaching with the Bible as history... There is little hope for their learning. This brings us back to the question of whether people are misinformed because they want to be. If Trump asks his supporters whether they are going to believe him or their lying eyes, will they choose him? Or are we dealing with the work of some bad actors who have devoted considerable effort to bringing about this state of affairs? |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 16, 2024 1:54:34 GMT
Free speech, free music .. what's the problem..?? |
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Post by peanutterbutter on Dec 16, 2024 2:01:39 GMT
Now this is funny and if it happens it couldn’t happen to a more deserving person…. The Halfway Post… ”BREAKING: Donald Trump is reportedly furious that several TikTok trends are going viral urging everyone who can attend his inaugural address to bring kazoos, recorders, and vuvuzelas to interrupt his speech” x.com/halfwaypost/status/1868340146824950228?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nwWell you know it will have the biggest crowds ever, more than any president has ever had and then some... |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 16, 2024 2:21:47 GMT
Now this is funny and if it happens it couldn’t happen to a more deserving person…. The Halfway Post… ”BREAKING: Donald Trump is reportedly furious that several TikTok trends are going viral urging everyone who can attend his inaugural address to bring kazoos, recorders, and vuvuzelas to interrupt his speech” x.com/halfwaypost/status/1868340146824950228?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nwWell you know it will have the biggest crowds ever, more than any president has ever had and then some... Yes, yes, so true!! |
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Post by Merge on Dec 16, 2024 3:15:09 GMT
I will volunteer to bring 30 eight year olds with recorders. |
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Post by cindosha on Dec 16, 2024 3:48:55 GMT
I will volunteer to bring 30 eight year olds with recorders. compeateropeator Avatar 12 hours ago compeateropeator said: While I almost always disagree with you and give you a lot of eye rolls (as I am sure you do me. 😉😄), I always give you credit for attempting to show and defend that MAGA supporters can be people that are ‘supposedly’ regular people who just view the facts differently (or just subscribe to a different set of facts 😆) and not CULTIST consumed by weird conspiracy theories. You just lost me here. WTF, you actually think anyone that you choose to label a liberal would actually try to create disasters to hurt the Trump administration, our country (where we actually live), or our economy (which we have to live with also) is ludicrous. If Trump is the magic pill and things are miraculously golden DAY ONE as he says they will be I (and I would bet most people) will admit to being wrong. I am not out to burn down the US and rebuild. I am for trying to make it so we all can live and thrive, with all of our blemishes and problems and with all of our wealth and privileges (because we do have so many as compared to the actual number of people on this earth). But doing this in an ever changing world that is interconnected and knowing there is no way we can revert to how things were decades or centuries ago because the world, people, technology, etc has changed. There is no getting the genie back in the bottle. But in my (IMO 😄) logical brain…looking back on the 40+ years that Trump has played his life out in the public eye, the people he is choosing, and the actual written and/or spoken on video words that they are providing us with does not point us in the correct direction. I hope I am wrong. But I (and absolutely no one that I know) would never ever wish/hope for a disaster or any badness to happen to OUR country just to prove that Trump is a narcissist, conman, grifter, criminal (borderline?) and really only out for himself and all the adulation he receives from MAGA supporters. Again, that is ludicrous and really anti liberal. We also are not for ‘open borders’ as I am sure you know since you profess to be logical and just view the facts differently and are not a conspiracy theorist. I have to say now that Trump has won much more of your belief in conspiracy theories are coming to light and more of your ‘I just have a different opinion’ is dropping away. And I know that my disappointment in your changing standards will really bother you and make you take note. 🤣🤣🤣 ——————————————————————————————————————————— again, exactly what I was referring to when I said this… I don’t think the left, including the news media and politicians, but especially the news media, did anything to make the opposing politicians presidential run anything but a disaster. That included indicting him on charges that would never have been filed had he not been running for president, taking him off the ballot/attempting to take him off the ballot in several states and spewing hateful rhetoric against Trump that was probably the cause of his two assassination attempts, including by the current president when he said he wanted to put a bullseye on Trump. Trump was continually called a Nazi, hitler, dictator and Trump’s supporters were called the same. Just about everything Trump says is taken out of context and reported falsely. The news initially reported that the assassination attempt was faked, that he was never shot, wasn’t actually hit by a bullet but it was shrapnel, and this was actually reiterated by several on this board, including some posting that they were disappointed that the shooter missed. You can hardly blame me or others for feeling like Trump is going to be stonewalled at every turn, beginning with and including denigrating every single cabinet pick and policy implementation so far. I get it, people are shocked, angry and disappointed that their candidate lost. I would have felt the same way if harris won. But they aren’t and probably will not make this presidency easy for Trump. As for you’re not being for open borders…you personally might not be, but it didn’t stop 10million+ from flooding over the border in the last 4 years, a fentanyl crises from erupting in the last 4 years and 300,000+ children being unaccounted for on the biden/harris watch. That wasn’t something Trump had a hand in. |
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 16, 2024 5:10:58 GMT
I'm not sure why I'm bothering, but Trump & Harris did not lose 300,000 children. Vance and Trump's claims are misleading and false. It's an issue of paperwork and children missing court dates, not children that are unable to be located. Most of them are probably at the addresses on file. You know who did lose children? Trump when he separated children at the border then didn't keep track of the parents and made ot extremely difficult for them to be reunited. Regarding undocumented migrants, the total estimated number in the US is only 11 million people, and only 1/5 arrived on 2010 or later. So no, 10 million did not cross the border during Biden's administration. US Customs had 10 million encounters, but some individuals were counted more than once. Many of those individuals were repatriated or deported. And we keep repeating the facts about the fetanayl crisis, that most of it is carried over the border by American born citizens, but that important fact seems to fall on deaf ears, too. www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0jp4xqx2z3owww.factcheck.org/2024/02/breaking-down-the-immigration-figures/www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/10/01/migrant-encounters-at-u-s-mexico-border-have-fallen-sharply-in-2024/www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj0jlre7mymoapnews.com/article/fact-check-misinformation-migrant-children-missing-7ab0cea2fd2238346197429e952baa8bTHE FACTS: This claim misrepresents information in an August report published by the Department of Homeland Security’s Office of the Inspector General, which faulted Immigration and Customs Enforcement for failing to consistently “monitor the location and status of unaccompanied migrant children” once they are released from federal government custody.
The report noted that more than 291,000 unaccompanied migrant children had not, as of May 2024, received a notice to appear in court. Additionally, more than 32,000 unaccompanied migrant children got a notice to appear but then failed to show up for immigration court hearings. Those figures came from ICE and covered a period from October 2018 to September 2023. During that period there were a total of 448,820 unaccompanied children released by ICE to the Department of Health and Human Services’ Office of Refugee Resettlement.
But experts say it is a stretch to refer to roughly 300,000 children as “lost” or “missing.”
“This is not a ‘missing kids’ problem; it’s a ‘missing paperwork’ problem,” Jonathan Beier, associate director of research and evaluation for the Acacia Center for Justice’s Unaccompanied Children Program, wrote in an email. |
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Post by hopemax on Dec 16, 2024 6:52:04 GMT
You can hardly blame me or others for feeling like Trump is going to be stonewalled at every turn, beginning with and including denigrating every single cabinet pick and policy implementation so far. I get it, people are shocked, angry and disappointed that their candidate lost. I would have felt the same way if harris won. But they aren’t and probably will not make this presidency easy for Trump. As for you’re not being for open borders…you personally might not be, but it didn’t stop 10million+ from flooding over the border in the last 4 years, a fentanyl crises from erupting in the last 4 years and 300,000+ children being unaccounted for on the biden/harris watch. That wasn’t something Trump had a hand in. You do understand that with the makeup of the Senate, zero Democratic votes are required? If there is any stonewalling of cabinet picks, it will be because of *GOP* votes. The talk of recess appointments is because there is concern there won't be enough *GOP* votes for confirmation of some people. There are 15 cabinet positions, and the only ones there have been major outrage about is Gaetz, which didn't even last long because of GOP pressure, Hegseth for Defense, and RFK Jr at HHS. I'd like to see proof of the denigration and stonewalling of Rubio for State, Burgum at Interior, Scott Bessent for Treasury, Duffy for Transportation, Lutnick for Commerce, Lori Chavez-DeReamer for Labor, etc. Or are you including policy disagreements as "denigration?" There are a few more of the 1200+ positions requiring Senate approval, also receiving strong pushback, such as Gabbard (Cabinet-rank) and Patel (not Cabinet at all). Still far short of "Every single cabinet pick." |
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Post by sunshine on Dec 16, 2024 11:41:55 GMT
Oh please. I posted on this thread because: 1. I can, and 2. This is the thread about embarrassing the US, so what better place to discuss joe biden, the embarrassing disaster to the US? Deflection? You folks are so absolutely obsessed with the pre-joe and post-joe years you refuse to look at the here and now, what’s happening today. Fine, let's talk about now. Let's talk about the GOP politician who saw drones, had video of drones and it was the constellation Orion. What's the embarrassment score for that? What about the other GOP politician who said it was from an Iranian mothership? It's clear that there are a great many people that have never bothered to look up at night and see exactly how much stuff is flying around, including recreational and commercial grade drones, and normal aircraft with appropriate, functional lighting packages. And a great number of people who are seeking the belonging and community of "I saw a drone!" Throw in some copycat drone operators and people have lost their minds. This isn't the first time such a thing has happened. People freaked out over the War of the Worlds radio broadcast, and someone on social media remembered an event that happened in my hometown when people saw damage on their cars and connected it to nuclear fallout from US government tests (it was just people are unaware of the state of the vehicles). There is a reason why eye-witness testimony is unreliable. In your list of what is going on options, you didn't list the most obvious place to start: there is no danger. So what is the appropriate reaction to people who have convinced themselves it's government action, either theirs or ours. People who have so little trust in public institutions, that unless the answer includes their pet theory, it *has* to be a sign of a coverup or incompetence? And if you are *so* worried about national security, good luck with the Intelligence and military folks that will be tasked on settling scores rather than keeping you safe. I hope you will be paying attention to whether capital is being spent on stopping China, Iran, Russia or harassing and embarrassing Clintons, Bidens, Cheneys and other people who have exhausted their political power, but at one point said something mean about Donald Trump. Which path will be chosen to demonstrate "toughness." Because this is kinda what this comes down to. People are worried about foreign interference and the ability of our government and infrastructure to deal with it. Post election, this is reaching new heights for a lot of folks. People coming to grips on what the next 4 years will look like. If this drone reaction is a preview of what we can expect, we are so screwed. Maybe if joey came out and said wtf is flying around out there, instead of his talking clowns treating the people like their eyes and ears aren’t working, there wouldn’t be so much speculation and theories floating around. The new administration is going to have a lot of shit to clean up that the big guy dropped all over, starting with Iran. |
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Post by sunshine on Dec 16, 2024 11:46:10 GMT
Anyone that blindly supports unelected unknowns withholding intelligence from the President, whether they like who that President is or not, are truly scary.
Nobody knows the intentions of the lifelong beurocrats, and their actions shouldn’t be normalized.
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Post by mollycoddle on Dec 16, 2024 13:27:16 GMT
Fine, let's talk about now. Let's talk about the GOP politician who saw drones, had video of drones and it was the constellation Orion. What's the embarrassment score for that? What about the other GOP politician who said it was from an Iranian mothership? It's clear that there are a great many people that have never bothered to look up at night and see exactly how much stuff is flying around, including recreational and commercial grade drones, and normal aircraft with appropriate, functional lighting packages. And a great number of people who are seeking the belonging and community of "I saw a drone!" Throw in some copycat drone operators and people have lost their minds. This isn't the first time such a thing has happened. People freaked out over the War of the Worlds radio broadcast, and someone on social media remembered an event that happened in my hometown when people saw damage on their cars and connected it to nuclear fallout from US government tests (it was just people are unaware of the state of the vehicles). There is a reason why eye-witness testimony is unreliable. In your list of what is going on options, you didn't list the most obvious place to start: there is no danger. So what is the appropriate reaction to people who have convinced themselves it's government action, either theirs or ours. People who have so little trust in public institutions, that unless the answer includes their pet theory, it *has* to be a sign of a coverup or incompetence? And if you are *so* worried about national security, good luck with the Intelligence and military folks that will be tasked on settling scores rather than keeping you safe. I hope you will be paying attention to whether capital is being spent on stopping China, Iran, Russia or harassing and embarrassing Clintons, Bidens, Cheneys and other people who have exhausted their political power, but at one point said something mean about Donald Trump. Which path will be chosen to demonstrate "toughness." Because this is kinda what this comes down to. People are worried about foreign interference and the ability of our government and infrastructure to deal with it. Post election, this is reaching new heights for a lot of folks. People coming to grips on what the next 4 years will look like. If this drone reaction is a preview of what we can expect, we are so screwed. Maybe if joey came out and said wtf is flying around out there, instead of his talking clowns treating the people like their eyes and ears aren’t working, there wouldn’t be so much speculation and theories floating around. The new administration is going to have a lot of shit to clean up that the big guy dropped all over, starting with Iran. I am not sure why Biden is in your opinion responsible for what is happening in Iran. Fact is, a lot is probably dependent on what happens in Syria. And no one knows yet how that will shake out. Yes, Iran is trying to exert its influence, but it is unknown if it will succeed. Iraq is not helping Iran at the moment. Israel has established a buffer zone along the Golan Heights. No one knows what HTS will do, or if it will be able to unite Syria. Or, if it does, what sort of govt. it will be. This is my opinion, but I think that the attack on Hezbollah by Israel enabled HTS to push further into Syria. And the Russians have pulled out, because Putin is overextended. This could end up being a good thing, or a bad thing, and no one knows which it will be. But I’ll say this; there is potential for the victories of HTS to be a good thing. |
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Post by Merge on Dec 16, 2024 15:55:50 GMT
I'm not sure why I'm bothering, but Trump & Harris did not lose 300,000 children. Vance and Trump's claims are misleading and false. It's an issue of paperwork and children missing court dates, not children that are unable to be located. Most of them are probably at the addresses on file. You know who did lose children? Trump when he separated children at the border then didn't keep track of the parents and made ot extremely difficult for them to be reunited. Regarding undocumented migrants, the total estimated number in the US is only 11 million people, and only 1/5 arrived on 2010 or later. So no, 10 million did not cross the border during Biden's administration. US Customs had 10 million encounters, but some individuals were counted more than once. Many of those individuals were repatriated or deported. And we keep repeating the facts about the fetanayl crisis, that most of it is carried over the border by American born citizens, but that important fact seems to fall on deaf ears, too. www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0jp4xqx2z3owww.factcheck.org/2024/02/breaking-down-the-immigration-figures/www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/10/01/migrant-encounters-at-u-s-mexico-border-have-fallen-sharply-in-2024/www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj0jlre7mymoapnews.com/article/fact-check-misinformation-migrant-children-missing-7ab0cea2fd2238346197429e952baa8bTHE FACTS: This claim misrepresents information in an August report published by the Department of Homeland Security’s Office of the Inspector General, which faulted Immigration and Customs Enforcement for failing to consistently “monitor the location and status of unaccompanied migrant children” once they are released from federal government custody.
The report noted that more than 291,000 unaccompanied migrant children had not, as of May 2024, received a notice to appear in court. Additionally, more than 32,000 unaccompanied migrant children got a notice to appear but then failed to show up for immigration court hearings. Those figures came from ICE and covered a period from October 2018 to September 2023. During that period there were a total of 448,820 unaccompanied children released by ICE to the Department of Health and Human Services’ Office of Refugee Resettlement.
But experts say it is a stretch to refer to roughly 300,000 children as “lost” or “missing.”
“This is not a ‘missing kids’ problem; it’s a ‘missing paperwork’ problem,” Jonathan Beier, associate director of research and evaluation for the Acacia Center for Justice’s Unaccompanied Children Program, wrote in an email.Yup. And we've shared all of this before with reputable sources and evidence. As the poll analysis posted above shows, Trump voters are largely those who have chosen to be misinformed and to vote based on that misinformation. I'm done. You can't dissuade someone who chooses to be misinformed. |
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 16, 2024 16:54:42 GMT
Well this will be filled with lies and just plain nonsense.
ABC News
”President-elect Donald Trump Monday is delivering remarks on the economy. abc7ne.ws/4fgu309”
A response I do agree with this guy.
“Ask him what happened to the foxconn project in Wisconsin? Get ready for another 4 years of lies.
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 16, 2024 18:00:29 GMT
Either he is really stupid or he is Putin’s puppet. More likely it’s a combination of both. ”Donald Trump: “It's nice to say they [Ukraine] want their land back, but the cities are largely destroyed.” Is Trump suggesting Ukraine should give up its land taken by Russia because of the destruction caused by Russia?” x.com/rpsagainsttrump/status/1868701605606179192?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nw |
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 16, 2024 18:07:37 GMT
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 16, 2024 18:10:38 GMT
Yup! Really American… ”BREAKING: Donald Trump is holding a press conference littered with dozens of exaggerations and lies framed with "the likes of which nobody has ever seen," claiming to have won the 2024 election in a landslide, despite winning by less than 2%, and not one reporter is correcting him. Our mainstream media is worthless.” x.com/reallyamerican1/status/1868702198361698696?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nw |
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 16, 2024 18:14:28 GMT
Of course he dies. Do you think the Postal Service should be privatized? “Trump confirms he wants to privatize the United States Postal Service. “The post office serves everyone. Even rural areas. Privatization would mean a focus on profit, ⬆️ prices, and many left behind. But hey - at least Trump’s friends would get x.com/thetnholler/status/1868712385881715083?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nw |
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 16, 2024 18:18:44 GMT
And here we have Putin’s puppet telling the people of Ukraine what they should do…. ”Q. Do you believe Ukraine should cede territory to Russia? Trump: a lot of this territory, if you look what happened to these cities, it's a demolition site. There's not a building standing. People can't go back to those cities. There's nothing there.” x.com/rpsagainsttrump/status/1868708591190130739?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nw” |
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 16, 2024 18:26:24 GMT
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Post by hopemax on Dec 16, 2024 18:35:39 GMT
Anyone that blindly supports unelected unknowns withholding intelligence from the President, whether they like who that President is or not, are truly scary. Nobody knows the intentions of the lifelong beurocrats, and their actions shouldn’t be normalized. No lifelong bureaucrat is making decisions that are the responsibility of the heads of the Intelligence & Defense agencies, about what is and isn't included in briefings. The buck stops with the person who was appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate. If they wanted Donald Trump to know things, they have their own line of communication to him, and their own voice they can use. So again, why would a person appointed by Donald Trump be hesitant to share intelligence with Donald Trump? Can't the DNI or others in the Oval or Situation Room, literally just say, "Mr. President you need to know X, Y and Z?" Or is some lifelong bureaucrat muzzling them? |
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Post by hopemax on Dec 16, 2024 18:43:14 GMT
Fine, let's talk about now. Let's talk about the GOP politician who saw drones, had video of drones and it was the constellation Orion. What's the embarrassment score for that? What about the other GOP politician who said it was from an Iranian mothership? It's clear that there are a great many people that have never bothered to look up at night and see exactly how much stuff is flying around, including recreational and commercial grade drones, and normal aircraft with appropriate, functional lighting packages. And a great number of people who are seeking the belonging and community of "I saw a drone!" Throw in some copycat drone operators and people have lost their minds. This isn't the first time such a thing has happened. People freaked out over the War of the Worlds radio broadcast, and someone on social media remembered an event that happened in my hometown when people saw damage on their cars and connected it to nuclear fallout from US government tests (it was just people are unaware of the state of the vehicles). There is a reason why eye-witness testimony is unreliable. In your list of what is going on options, you didn't list the most obvious place to start: there is no danger. So what is the appropriate reaction to people who have convinced themselves it's government action, either theirs or ours. People who have so little trust in public institutions, that unless the answer includes their pet theory, it *has* to be a sign of a coverup or incompetence? And if you are *so* worried about national security, good luck with the Intelligence and military folks that will be tasked on settling scores rather than keeping you safe. I hope you will be paying attention to whether capital is being spent on stopping China, Iran, Russia or harassing and embarrassing Clintons, Bidens, Cheneys and other people who have exhausted their political power, but at one point said something mean about Donald Trump. Which path will be chosen to demonstrate "toughness." Because this is kinda what this comes down to. People are worried about foreign interference and the ability of our government and infrastructure to deal with it. Post election, this is reaching new heights for a lot of folks. People coming to grips on what the next 4 years will look like. If this drone reaction is a preview of what we can expect, we are so screwed. Maybe if joey came out and said wtf is flying around out there, instead of his talking clowns treating the people like their eyes and ears aren’t working, there wouldn’t be so much speculation and theories floating around. The new administration is going to have a lot of shit to clean up that the big guy dropped all over, starting with Iran. Please, you would not believe a word that "Joey" said even if he told you it *was* drones from an Iranian mothership. You don't BELIEVE anything that comes out of his mouth. And yes, apparently people's eyes and ears aren't working because otherwise you wouldn't have a former Governor confusing stars for low level flying objects. Mass hysteria is a real, and studied phenomenon. An exotic rumor or a boring truth... you know people are just lining up for boring truths, over exotic rumors. |
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 16, 2024 18:45:03 GMT
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