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Post by mymindseyedpea on Dec 13, 2024 17:26:02 GMT
I once asked a friend if they believed.
Believed in what?
I don’t know.
Believed in… well… belief I guess.
Believed that belief comes from within.
If you don’t believe in that kind of belief then what would it take for you to?
Maybe this thread is about exploring not what you believe in but what it took for you to have that belief. Is it satisfied? Is it exploring? We all have a belief system. How did yours come to be?
ETA: I understand that this can be a sensitive subject but please let’s leave politics out of this discussion from now on. I meant to have this thread be a drama free zone so we could openly discuss our beliefs.
11:51 AM PST 12/14/24
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Post by Zee on Dec 13, 2024 17:34:07 GMT
Believe in what? Is an important part of the question.
I don't just believe whatever I'm told, I need a reason and probably some facts. I need the Why.
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Post by leannec on Dec 13, 2024 18:07:37 GMT
It just wouldn't happen ...
I am a science based person when it comes to belief ...
I need proof of things ...
Religion has caused so much strife in the world and that makes me sad ...
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Post by lainey on Dec 13, 2024 18:38:27 GMT
Believe in what though? God, Santa, fairies, a flat Earth? I'd need solid evidence and a lot less cynicism than I currently possess.
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Post by Merge on Dec 13, 2024 18:57:28 GMT
Proof, or at least very solid evidence.
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Post by hopemax on Dec 13, 2024 18:59:01 GMT
An ecosystem where people weren't so much out to lie, defraud, peddle in mis and dis information.
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Post by gar on Dec 13, 2024 19:43:48 GMT
God? Why would I want to believe in a religious sense?
It’s so obviously a man made construct that I just can’t…any more than I believe in the tooth fairy, the earth is flat etc.
What would it take? I just can’t imagine.
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Dec 14, 2024 0:00:36 GMT
Believe in what? Is an important part of the question. I don't just believe whatever I'm told, I need a reason and probably some facts. I need the Why. Belief in anything that you believe in and if it would take the same way to believe in anything else. What way is that? Yes, why do you believe whatever you believe? |
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Dec 14, 2024 0:04:35 GMT
It just wouldn't happen ... I am a science based person when it comes to belief ... I need proof of things ... Religion has caused so much strife in the world and that makes me sad ... Exploring questions: So, you believe that nothing can exist without it being proven that it exists? |
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Dec 14, 2024 0:07:38 GMT
Believe in what though? God, Santa, fairies, a flat Earth? I'd need solid evidence and a lot less cynicism than I currently possess. Anything goes. I don’t want to narrow it down to anything because this isn’t about what we believe,it’s about how or why we believe it. |
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Post by FurryP on Dec 14, 2024 0:14:07 GMT
God? Why would I want to believe in a religious sense? It’s so obviously a man made construct that I just can’t…any more than I believe in the tooth fairy, the earth is flat etc. What would it take? I just can’t imagine. But you believe in Santa, right?  |
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Dec 14, 2024 0:15:58 GMT
Believe in what though? God, Santa, fairies, a flat Earth? I'd need solid evidence and a lot less cynicism than I currently possess. Same question I asked Leanne … |
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Dec 14, 2024 0:19:53 GMT
God? Why would I want to believe in a religious sense? It’s so obviously a man made construct that I just can’t…any more than I believe in the tooth fairy, the earth is flat etc. What would it take? I just can’t imagine. Not necessarily in a religious sense. But for those who do have a belief based on religion I’m curious to how that became their belief. |
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Post by buddysmom on Dec 14, 2024 1:11:29 GMT
He'd have to show up at my door with three types of photo I.D. --including a passport and drivers license!
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Dec 14, 2024 1:27:00 GMT
I just found this movie on tv called Christmas Time
And it says:
Kevin Snowdon Is a London based physics teacher who leans on science to support his obsessive dislike for Christmas. Hoping to cure him, his wife hatches a scheme that sends their family to the holiday themed tourist destination of Lapland.
I’m putting it on right now
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Post by gar on Dec 14, 2024 9:25:09 GMT
God? Why would I want to believe in a religious sense? It’s so obviously a man made construct that I just can’t…any more than I believe in the tooth fairy, the earth is flat etc. What would it take? I just can’t imagine. Not necessarily in a religious sense. But for those who do have a belief based on religion I’m curious to how that became their belief. I am guessing that when it comes to religious beliefs the majority grew up with it and so that belief feels like irrefutable knowledge in a way. |
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Post by gar on Dec 14, 2024 9:26:29 GMT
I'm trying to think if I believe in anything that isn't proven...
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Post by Layce on Dec 14, 2024 14:52:34 GMT
Oh sure you do, you just don’t realize it. (scientism)
Can’t accept it? Deny it. Rewrite it. 🙂
There are holocaust deniers, election deniers, global warming deniers, etc.. with alternate scenarios that defy logic, reasoning. Creation deniers fall into such a thought process.
I believe in the Creator. Everything starts with God. For example, Earth. The earth is an organism that reflects the creative power of God.. it burns energy, regulates temperature, renews its skin, and experiences age-related changes over time.
It’s not about religion, not about good deeds and punishment … it’s knowing God. ☺️
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Post by quinlove on Dec 14, 2024 15:12:48 GMT
I believe that you are speaking of an afterlife of some sort. Frankly, no one knows if this exists. No one. That fact alone, makes it a huge mystery. Since it’s such a huge mystery, it could be a mystery for that very reason. Or not.
Put another way - we are basically talking about hope. And hope is a very positive thing. Nothing wrong with the *hope* that something else exists beyond this life.
I removed my pun intended remark. I’m sorry if that sounded rude.
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Dec 14, 2024 17:16:31 GMT
I just found this movie on tv called Christmas Time And it says: Kevin Snowdon Is a London based physics teacher who leans on science to support his obsessive dislike for Christmas. Hoping to cure him, his wife hatches a scheme that sends their family to the holiday themed tourist destination of Lapland. I’m putting it on right now In the movie, the physic teacher’s belief system was tested but he experienced it in what he didn’t believe in with his own physical senses. Thats not the route I’m looking for to explore because that’s a see it to believe it. It’s already been explored. Not much mystery to it. I’m looking for the mystery. |
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Dec 14, 2024 17:26:36 GMT
Not necessarily in a religious sense. But for those who do have a belief based on religion I’m curious to how that became their belief. I am guessing that when it comes to religious beliefs the majority grew up with it and so that belief feels like irrefutable knowledge in a way. Yeah, I agree. And that’s something I personally choose not to influence. When dd was middle school age she had a friend invite her to church. And I could hear my intuitive voice say let her find her own path. She went for a season but soon found that it wasn’t for her. I held the space either way. One of my favorite scenes in the show 7th Heaven when Lucy asks her dad who’s a reverend to borrow his books on other religions and he doesn’t hesitate to lend them to her. |
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Dec 14, 2024 17:27:53 GMT
I'm trying to think if I believe in anything that isn't proven... That is the reason for this thread to explore ☺️ |
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Post by gar on Dec 14, 2024 17:35:38 GMT
It’s not about religion, not about good deeds and punishment … it’s knowing God. ☺️ What is ‘it’? |
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Dec 14, 2024 17:42:29 GMT
Oh sure you do, you just don’t realize it. Can’t accept it? Deny it. Rewrite it. 🙂 There are holocaust deniers, election deniers, creation deniers, etc. I believe in the Creator. Everything starts with God. For example, Earth. The earth is an organism that reflects the creative power of God.. it burns energy, regulates temperature, renews its skin, and experiences age-related changes over time. It’s not about religion, not about good deeds and punishment … it’s knowing God. ☺️ Where do you think that denial comes from? I’m hearing my roommate on the phone outside my door right now talking to someone, and it sounds like they are begging someone and finding a negotiation because it’s interfering with a friend of theirs wellbeing. I heard roomie say “you gotta think about her right now” Maybe denial that what they are doing is affecting her well being? I think the negotiation worked but goodness, the fact that it had to come to that. |
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Post by Layce on Dec 14, 2024 17:43:15 GMT
🤦♀️ Belief.
Denial? That’s why I referenced a couple three examples up there. It’s not logical to deny any of them.
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Post by gar on Dec 14, 2024 17:44:31 GMT
Are you doing a face/palm to me? |
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Dec 14, 2024 17:51:47 GMT
I believe that you are speaking of an afterlife of some sort. Frankly, no one knows if this exists. No one. That fact alone, makes it a huge mystery. Since it’s such a huge mystery, it could be a mystery for that very reason. Or not. Put another way - we are basically talking about hope. And hope is a very positive thing. Nothing wrong with the *hope* that something else exists beyond this life. I removed my pun intended remark. I’m sorry if that sounded rude. What gar said: Belief in anything that isn’t proven. We do live in the physical realm run by our physical senses. Do you believe there is anything beyond that? Not necessarily beyond as in after. It reminds me of the spectrum of color. Before the red and after the violet. |
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Post by Layce on Dec 14, 2024 17:57:42 GMT
Well, I wasn’t quite finished there and was responding to several comments.
But yeah. 🙂
I just decided to jump in with my 2-cents
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Post by quinlove on Dec 14, 2024 18:03:58 GMT
I believe that you are speaking of an afterlife of some sort. Frankly, no one knows if this exists. No one. That fact alone, makes it a huge mystery. Since it’s such a huge mystery, it could be a mystery for that very reason. Or not. Put another way - we are basically talking about hope. And hope is a very positive thing. Nothing wrong with the *hope* that something else exists beyond this life. I removed my pun intended remark. I’m sorry if that sounded rude. What gar said: Belief in anything that isn’t proven. We do live in the physical realm run by our physical senses. Do you believe there is anything beyond that? Not necessarily beyond as in after. It reminds me of the spectrum of color. Before the red and after the violet. True. But, of course, you can believe in fact and what is proven. It’s a fact, and a pretty spectacular one, that there is a million different universes out there. With all that unexplored and explored universes -it is literally endless what could or is happening out there. Or happening around me, here standing on a planet. I can appreciate all of that unknown. Or the possibilities associated with it. Will I see a god or my dead relatives when I pass ? That is a mystery. And to think it will happen is to have hope that it will. |
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Post by lesley on Dec 14, 2024 18:19:35 GMT
🤦♀️ Belief. Denial? That’s why I referenced a couple three examples up there. It’s not logical to deny any of them. There are billions of people in the world who don’t believe what you believe. Does that make them wrong? Misguided? How arrogant is it to think that you’re right and they’re not, when there is no proof that there is a God? You’re talking about belief, not incontrovertible fact, so to suggest that others do believe “but they just don’t know it”? Wow. |
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