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Post by aj2hall on Jan 26, 2025 16:24:14 GMT
From one of the prosecutors. There were some excellent points in this opinion that highlights the dangers of the pardons. Trump pardoned them to further his own interests. Gift article www.nytimes.com/2025/01/24/opinion/trump-pardon-jan-6-capitol.html?unlocked_article_code=1.sE4.jUqo.gyomJxK3XysQ&smid=url-shareBut on Monday, Mr. Trump pardoned them and nearly 1,600 other people who attacked the Capitol in his name. I think he did so not out of sympathy for the rioters, but because their freedom serves his interests The effect — and I believe purpose — of these pardons is to encourage vigilantes and militias loyal to the president, but unaccountable to the government. Illiberal democracies and outright dictatorships often rely on such militia groups, whose organization and seriousness can range widely, from the vigilantes who enforce Iran’s hijab dress code to the United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia that have killed government opponents. Monday’s pardons will reinforce these rioters’ beliefs in their cause, and their loyalty to the man who leads it. Mr. Trump seems excited about this possibility. When asked Tuesday if groups like the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers had a place in the political conversation, he said, “We’ll have to see,” adding that “these were people that actually love our country.” There is great value to him in having members of these groups released, doubly loyal to him, and eager to carry out his agenda and silence his critics through violence. Mr. Trump has shown his willingness to use his pardon power, and little stops him from doing so again. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 26, 2025 18:16:48 GMT
Michael Fanone, a capitol police officer who was brutally attacked on January 6 and has been very vocal about it ever since, was on msnbc this morning. He said that he has tried to OFP for he and his family now that the people who attacked him are free. He was told he can’t because now it had been shown that he wasn’t a victim because the perpetrators were pardoned. It’s disgraceful.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 26, 2025 18:18:03 GMT
Related..... Not sure where would have been the best place for this.. But I have heard this several times. Vance has no problem agreeing with FF even tho Vance himself said that those who assaulted police officers should not get pardons!! I wish one of the interviewers would ask Vance how he felt about FF encouraging the mob to search for and hang his former VP Pence. FF had no qualms about him being killed. Does Vance think he is immune from FF's temper tantrums...?? "There's what the people actually did on January the 6th, and we're not saying that everybody did everything perfectly," the vice president opined. "And then what did Merrick Garland's Department of Justice do in unjustly prosecuting well over a thousand Americans in a way that was politically motivated." www.rawstory.com/jd-vance-trump-pardons/ |
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Post by epeanymous on Jan 26, 2025 18:38:10 GMT
It is really unfortunate because I know a lot of us who want criminal justice reform argue that governors and presidents have become too stingy with the clemency power, but when one does something like this, it makes it harder to advocate for people serving overlong sentences for drug offenses or people who have engaged in extraordinary personal reformation.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 26, 2025 19:04:28 GMT
If I had my say, none of them would be pardoned. The least that trump could have done was to refrain from pardoning the violent ones. I worry that we will see these animals again.
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Post by Merge on Jan 26, 2025 19:05:52 GMT
Criming is cool when you’re criming on behalf of Trump.
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Post by dizzycheermom on Jan 26, 2025 20:07:44 GMT
Wasn't @leowife just on in November celebrating the election victory? Wondering what she is thinking now???
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 26, 2025 20:56:20 GMT
Maga is not happy with Lindsey Graham... x.com/MeetThePress/status/1883520788571033697Most of them pleaded guilty to crimes related to Jan. 6., including 327 who pleaded guilty to felonies and 682 who pleaded guilty to misdemeanors, the Justice Department report said. Among those who pleaded guilty to felonies, 172 pleaded guilty to assaulting law enforcement, 69 pleaded guilty to assaulting law enforcement with a dangerous or deadly weapon, and four pleaded guilty to seditious conspiracy — conspiring to use force against the United States." |
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Post by Merge on Jan 26, 2025 22:27:59 GMT
Yeah, please miss me with your complaints about supposed immigrant crime when your leader just released hundreds of confessed violent criminals back onto our streets.
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Post by pilcas on Jan 26, 2025 22:44:16 GMT
Related..... Not sure where would have been the best place for this.. But I have heard this several times. Vance has no problem agreeing with FF even tho Vance himself said that those who assaulted police officers should not get pardons!! I wish one of the interviewers would ask Vance how he felt about FF encouraging the mob to search for and hang his former VP Pence. FF had no qualms about him being killed. Does Vance think he is immune from FF's temper tantrums...?? "There's what the people actually did on January the 6th, and we're not saying that everybody did everything perfectly," the vice president opined. "And then what did Merrick Garland's Department of Justice do in unjustly prosecuting well over a thousand Americans in a way that was politically motivated." www.rawstory.com/jd-vance-trump-pardons/We all knew before the election who The Felon was. So did Vance. He is just as shitty and immoral as his boss. Probably even worse because the other one just lives in an alternate reality, Vance knows what he is doing. |
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Post by librarylady on Jan 26, 2025 23:24:37 GMT
Wasn't @leowife just on in November celebrating the election victory? Wondering what she is thinking now??? Looks like that account no longer exists. |
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 27, 2025 21:12:24 GMT
heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/january-22-2025Marc Caputo of Axios reported today that Trump’s decision to pardon or commute the sentences of all the January 6 rioters convicted of crimes for that day’s events, including those who attacked police officers, was a spur of the moment decision by Trump apparently designed to get the issue behind him quickly. “Trump just said: ‘F*ck it: Release ‘em all,’” an advisor recalled.
Rather than putting the issue behind him, Trump’s new administration is already mired in controversy over it. NBC News profiled the men who threw Nazi salutes, posted that they intended to start a civil war, vowed “there will be blood,” and called for the lynching of Democratic lawmakers. These men, who attacked police with bear spray, flag poles, and a metal whip and choked officers with their bare hands, are now back on the streets.
That means they are also headed home to their communities. Jackson Reffitt, who reported his father Guy’s participation in the January 6 riot and was a key witness against him, told reporters he fears for his life now that his father is free. Jackson recorded his father’s threat against talking to the authorities. “If you turn me in, you’re a traitor,” his father said, “and traitors get shot.” “I’m honestly flabbergasted that we've gotten to this point," Jackson told CNN. “I’m terrified. I don’t know what I’m going to do.”
The country’s largest police union, the Fraternal Order of Police, has spoken out against the pardons, as has the International Association of Chiefs of Police. The Wall Street Journal editorial board wrote: “Law and order? Back the blue? What happened to that [Republican Party]?” “What happened [on January 6, 2021] is a stain on Mr. Trump’s legacy,” it wrote. “By setting free the cop beaters, the President adds another.”
Mark Jacob of Stop the Presses commented: “Republicans—the Jailbreak Party.”
One of the pardoned individuals is already back in prison on a gun charge, illustrating, as legal analyst Joyce White Vance said, why Trump should have evaluated “prior criminal history, behavior in prison, [and] risk of dangerousness to the community following release. Now,” she said, “we all pay the price for him using the pardon power as a political reward.” On social media, Heather Thomas wrote: “So when all was said and done, the only country that opened [its] prisons and sent crazy murderous criminals to prey upon innocent American citizens, was us.”
MSNBC’s Kyle Griffin reported that Stewart Rhodes of the Oath Keepers, who was convicted of sedition and sentenced to 18 years in prison, met with lawmakers on Capitol Hill this afternoon.
For the past two days, the new Trump administration has been demonstrating that it is far easier to break things than it is to build them.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 28, 2025 0:22:02 GMT
Pardoned J6 rioter shot at MV stop. A Jan. 6 rioter pardoned by President Donald Trump was shot dead Sunday in Indiana after resisting arrest, Indiana State Police said. A deputy with the Jasper County Sheriff's Department pulled over Matthew Huttle, 42, of Hobart, Indiana, around 4:15 p.m. Sunday, according to Fox 59. *** The deputy attempted to arrest Huttle, who had a gun. Huttle was shot while resisting arrest. Further details were not immediately available. www.rawstory.com/matthew-huttle/ |
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Post by lucyg on Jan 28, 2025 0:26:43 GMT
My gentleman friend canceled his longtime FOP membership (Fraternal Order of Police, referenced above in aj2hall’s most recent post) over their endorsement of Trump shortly before the election. He was not the only one. Those dipshits voted for this, and now they’re big mad. Go figure. |
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Post by Scrapper100 on Jan 28, 2025 5:43:33 GMT
Pardoned J6 rioter shot at MV stop. A Jan. 6 rioter pardoned by President Donald Trump was shot dead Sunday in Indiana after resisting arrest, Indiana State Police said. A deputy with the Jasper County Sheriff's Department pulled over Matthew Huttle, 42, of Hobart, Indiana, around 4:15 p.m. Sunday, according to Fox 59. *** The deputy attempted to arrest Huttle, who had a gun. Huttle was shot while resisting arrest. Further details were not immediately available. www.rawstory.com/matthew-huttle/I would bet he won’t be the only one that is involved with violence. The shaman was happy to be released and made a big deal about going to buy guns. The fact that that was in his first comment leads one to believe he will be involved in violence again in the near future. 😡 |
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Post by miominmio on Jan 28, 2025 8:53:07 GMT
So now he will have his own brown shirts…….
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Post by gillyp on Jan 28, 2025 9:38:36 GMT
So now he will have his own brown shirts……. I am curious and this is a genuine enquiry of our American Pea friends, not intended to be smart or inflammatory - do you understand the meaning of miominmio’s comment? It’s something many Europeans know and should know. |
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Post by cakediva on Jan 28, 2025 12:32:07 GMT
So now he will have his own brown shirts……. I am curious and this is a genuine enquiry of our American Pea friends, not intended to be smart or inflammatory - do you understand the meaning of miominmio ’s comment? It’s something many Europeans know and should know. This Canadian is in the dark - can you explain for me? |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 28, 2025 12:56:21 GMT
Pardoned J6 rioter shot at MV stop. A Jan. 6 rioter pardoned by President Donald Trump was shot dead Sunday in Indiana after resisting arrest, Indiana State Police said. A deputy with the Jasper County Sheriff's Department pulled over Matthew Huttle, 42, of Hobart, Indiana, around 4:15 p.m. Sunday, according to Fox 59. *** The deputy attempted to arrest Huttle, who had a gun. Huttle was shot while resisting arrest. Further details were not immediately available. www.rawstory.com/matthew-huttle/I would bet he won’t be the only one that is involved with violence. The shaman was happy to be released and made a big deal about going to buy guns. The fact that that was in his first comment leads one to believe he will be involved in violence again in the near future. 😡 I saw part of an interview with him and he seems to be quite mentally unstable. Definitely not someone who I want to have a lot of guns. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 28, 2025 13:02:39 GMT
So now he will have his own brown shirts……. I am curious and this is a genuine enquiry of our American Pea friends, not intended to be smart or inflammatory - do you understand the meaning of miominmio’s comment? It’s something many Europeans know and should know. I have seen quite a few people making this comment in the US. But I’m not confident that the people who need to know and recognize do know. But even if they did know who the SA/brown shirts are, they wouldn’t agree that there is any correlation to Trump. |
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Post by gillyp on Jan 28, 2025 13:20:38 GMT
I am curious and this is a genuine enquiry of our American Pea friends, not intended to be smart or inflammatory - do you understand the meaning of miominmio ’s comment? It’s something many Europeans know and should know. This Canadian is in the dark - can you explain for me? Quote from Oxford Reference "Member of an early Nazi paramilitary organization, the Sturmabteilung or SA (‘assault division’). The Brownshirts, recruited from various rough elements of society, were founded by Adolf Hitler in Munich in 1921. Fitted out in brown uniforms reminiscent of Mussolini's Blackshirts, they figured prominently in organized marches and rallies. Their violent intimidation of political opponents and of Jews played a key role in Hitler's rise to power." Half way down this page from theholocaustexplained.org explains more and this is part of that page "The SA and the SS became symbols of terror. The Nazi Party used these two forces to terrify their opposition into subordination, slowly eliminate them entirely, or scare people into supporting them." |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jan 28, 2025 15:30:24 GMT
So now he will have his own brown shirts……. I am curious and this is a genuine enquiry of our American Pea friends, not intended to be smart or inflammatory - do you understand the meaning of miominmio ’s comment? It’s something many Europeans know and should know. I would bet that most of us here know what 'brown shirts' is in reference to, but most MAGA dipsh!ts probably do not. Or if it was explained to them, they would say they don't see anything wrong with it... "he needs to have people loyal to him around for protection" or some other disgusting excuse, just like the disgusting excuses they're all using to justify his gutting of the checks and balances. "democracy if you can keep it" indeed. |
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Post by heckofagal on Jan 28, 2025 15:41:22 GMT
Maga is not happy with Lindsey Graham... x.com/MeetThePress/status/1883520788571033697Most of them pleaded guilty to crimes related to Jan. 6., including 327 who pleaded guilty to felonies and 682 who pleaded guilty to misdemeanors, the Justice Department report said. Among those who pleaded guilty to felonies, 172 pleaded guilty to assaulting law enforcement, 69 pleaded guilty to assaulting law enforcement with a dangerous or deadly weapon, and four pleaded guilty to seditious conspiracy — conspiring to use force against the United States." WOW...never thought I would agree with Lindsey Graham! |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jan 28, 2025 15:47:42 GMT
So now he will have his own brown shirts……. I am curious and this is a genuine enquiry of our American Pea friends, not intended to be smart or inflammatory - do you understand the meaning of miominmio ’s comment? It’s something many Europeans know and should know. Oh, I definitely know. |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jan 28, 2025 16:03:28 GMT
Pardoned J6 rioter shot at MV stop. A Jan. 6 rioter pardoned by President Donald Trump was shot dead Sunday in Indiana after resisting arrest, Indiana State Police said. A deputy with the Jasper County Sheriff's Department pulled over Matthew Huttle, 42, of Hobart, Indiana, around 4:15 p.m. Sunday, according to Fox 59. *** The deputy attempted to arrest Huttle, who had a gun. Huttle was shot while resisting arrest. Further details were not immediately available. www.rawstory.com/matthew-huttle/I would bet he won’t be the only one that is involved with violence. The shaman was happy to be released and made a big deal about going to buy guns. The fact that that was in his first comment leads one to believe he will be involved in violence again in the near future. 😡 I know the presidential pardon is effectively a Get Out Of Jail Free card. I honestly want to know especially in terms of the people who committed violent assaults that day, does the pardon they received totally wipe clean their records so those who committed felonies would be able to pass a firearms background check (if they happened to purchase from a place that would require it)? Probably not if they were already a felon before that. But if this was the first thing they were convicted of a felony for, is that then just completely erased? It makes me very uncomfortable knowing that so many seditious traitors, many of whom were violent, were just wantonly let loose to run wild and do whatever they will next. I seriously do not EVER want to see another post from a republican on NextDoor complaining about “the libs being soft on crime” and “you get what you voted for” again. I swear, every time someone posts about having a trailer stolen from their driveway or a car window smash and grab because someone left their purse in their front seat when they “ran into daycare for two minutes to get my kid” or randos rummaging through unlocked parked cars at night, inevitably some troll will post that crap. Yeah, NO. Just no. Not after this blatant disregard for the rule of law. |
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Post by cakediva on Jan 28, 2025 16:53:55 GMT
This Canadian is in the dark - can you explain for me? Quote from Oxford Reference "Member of an early Nazi paramilitary organization, the Sturmabteilung or SA (‘assault division’). The Brownshirts, recruited from various rough elements of society, were founded by Adolf Hitler in Munich in 1921. Fitted out in brown uniforms reminiscent of Mussolini's Blackshirts, they figured prominently in organized marches and rallies. Their violent intimidation of political opponents and of Jews played a key role in Hitler's rise to power." Half way down this page from theholocaustexplained.org explains more and this is part of that page "The SA and the SS became symbols of terror. The Nazi Party used these two forces to terrify their opposition into subordination, slowly eliminate them entirely, or scare people into supporting them." Thank you. I had assumed it was something to do with that but wasn't sure. |
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Post by lucyg on Jan 29, 2025 9:28:03 GMT
So now he will have his own brown shirts……. I am curious and this is a genuine enquiry of our American Pea friends, not intended to be smart or inflammatory - do you understand the meaning of miominmio ’s comment? It’s something many Europeans know and should know. yes |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 30, 2025 1:02:08 GMT
Just another crime on crime... A woman pardoned last week by President Donald Trump for her role in the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol attack was sentenced to 17 years in prison on Wednesday for her role in a deadly drunken driving crash.Emily Hernandez of Missouri gained fame for holding up a broken sign bearing then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's name that was taken during the Jan. 6 insurrection. She turned herself in to federal authorities in 2022 after being identified as one of the rioters and was sentenced to 30 days in jail. Hernandez was among 1,500 pardoned by Trump last week. But six days before Hernandez was scheduled to plead guilty to a misdemeanor charge of entering and remaining in a restricted building in that case, she was involved in a fatal crash. Hernandez was driving the wrong way in the eastbound lanes of Interstate 44 in January 2022 when she crashed into an SUV. Victoria Wilson, 32, was killed in the wreck. Ryan Wilson, 36, was seriously hurt and still walks with a cane, the St. Louis Dispatch reported. "Probation is not appropriate given the nature of what happened," Judge Ryan Helfrich said. "What I did was ungodly and I will live with that shame for the rest of my life," Hernandez said at her sentencing, according to the newspaper. "I am sorry for what I did and if I could take it all back, I would." www.rawstory.com/trump-pardon-jan-6-2671028148/ |
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Post by Scrapper100 on Jan 30, 2025 3:08:12 GMT
It seems these criminals are just going to keep getting into trouble. We have four that are somewhat local and one “ church” had a special service to honor at least one of them. People from this church has taken over our local school board. One was recalled but then won reelection 🤦♀️ . Hearing people praise them is just so sickening as they were violent people.
I assume we will keep hearing about crimes they have committed.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 30, 2025 3:13:31 GMT
There is another one, but I cannot find the article.
A J6 rioter was NOT serving time for J6. He was incarcerated for an unrelated crime involving Guns etc... when the pardons were issued, the prison released him because he was on the list...
Again he was NOT serving riot offenses time..
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