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Post by lavawalker on Dec 28, 2014 20:33:05 GMT
I've had back pain for about 18 months now. No matter what exercises PT gives me, it does not get better, although i do feel somewhat more flexible  I had an MRI several weeks ago that shows a bulging disk at L5. Also arthritis. I'm having a hard time with standing - sometimes i'm in pain within minutes, sometimes I can get a half hour or so of shopping/errands in if its early in the day. I have been given RX strength ibuprofen, and muscle relaxers,but I have a life and cannot take the relaxers in the daytime, and don't need them at night. I am in no pain at night and sleep well most of the time. I've done a lot of my own reading and know that a conservative approach is taken with my condition - no rush into surgery or anything. But, I'm in a fair amount of pain. I could not finish making Christmas dinner - was on my feet too long and others had to take over. I do well with a combination of sitting, doing things around the house, short walks. But I'm worried about things like upcoming trip to Disney World. DH wants to take a trip to Europe - lots of walking.... I know I can take ibuprofen, but a lot of times it just doesn't cut the pain, not even the RX strength. Heat makes it feel better, but not with a lot of walking. What have your experiences been? What has worked for you, and what hasn't? Did your disk problems eventually go away on their own? I have read that they can. If you've gone to a chiropractor, did that work for you? Have you tried Yoga? i'm kind of afraid to try yoga due to muscle spasms.  Has anyone tried acupuncture?
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Post by keithurbanlovinpea on Dec 28, 2014 20:40:40 GMT
My DH had L4 to L5 herniation and bulging. Got by with chiropractic care and pain killers for 8 years, then elected to get surgery when his neurosurgeon told him it would be a 15 minute, out of the hospital same day, go back to work in two weeks surgery. He's very happy he elected to do it.
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Post by crazyrn on Dec 28, 2014 20:41:19 GMT
Yoga is the only thing that has worked for me. I am very careful as to what poses I do since I know certain positions will cause me pain. For instance, I cannot arch my back or I will be in severe pain. However, after doing yoga 1-2x/week I was able to do some of those arching poses. I have not done yoga in a few months but if my back is bothering me (from walking too much or standing too much) I will do some yoga stretches that I know have helped me. I will never go to a chiropractor. Although I do have many friends that swear by them.
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Post by eleezybeth on Dec 28, 2014 20:43:20 GMT
Hugs for the pain. I get it.
I did 9 months of physical therapy and all other sorts of conservative treatments. I ended up with surgery and wondered why I had put it off.
I have 2 more that have responded to conservative treatment. I have had the shots, the pt, the chiropractor and acupuncture.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Dec 28, 2014 20:44:03 GMT
I am sure the PT did this, but did they do the Mckenzie extension ex's with you?
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Post by Dori~Mama~Bear on Dec 28, 2014 20:48:17 GMT
I feel your pain.... I have the same kind of pain... I had xrays in November and they didn't show any bulging discs but they did show a little arthritis. We are waiting for the insurance to kick in so I can get an mri. There is times I can't do any kind of moving, walking, standing, sitting, laying, I am in pain 24 hours aday. The one thing that has helped me is going to the chiropractor. I have been getting a message once a month before my adjustments. They also have this ultra sound thing they do that really helps it. I still can't do much but I have gotten the pain to come down from way above 10 to about 7 or 8 most of the time. It also effects my hips and thighs. The chiropractor thinks that there is something going on in there that the xrays don't show. I have had this problem since March. I can't even sit on my spin bike. just sitting on the seat hurts. It is a very cushioned seat and it shouldn't hurt. I do have the hot tub and it helps. heat is the best. ice makes it hurt worse. I also found when I am sitting int he recliner I have to put a pillow up under my left hip so I can sit there. I have to be reclined some. I can't just sit on the couch. It hurts. If I sit in a chair I have to sit on a pillow. there are times I can't walk from my living room to the bathroom without being in pain.....
I would call a chiropractor and see if they can help..... I know when mine adjusts me i can get a good 2 days of low pain with only doing in the house stuff. If I have to go to any stores or do anything more than normal daily in the house kind of stuff I can't even get 1 day. There is no way I can go shopping without being in too much pain. Safeway kicks my butt.
good luck... I hope you feel better soon....
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Post by sugarmama on Dec 28, 2014 20:58:20 GMT
Lavawalker, if you have been in that much pain for 18 months, I am puzzled at why you wouldn't want surgery??? I have had 2 discs removed and have never regretted it. The first one was so painful, I could not walk much either. I'd go into the mall, then want to sit down and rest.
Here are several things I have done and still do sometimes for back pain:
yoga (gentle stretching if in acute pain) when not in pain, yoga is such a great back and core strengthener that it will help PREVENT these back pain episodes. I swear my quality of life improved greatly when I started doing yoga just once a week.
Walking--if this is painful try walking slower and a shorter distance and build up to more as you get stronger.
Muscle relaxers and anti-inflammatory--I know the muscle relaxers can make us sleepy, but it really does help. When you hurt, the area around the pain will tense up and can create a vicious circle of pain. If you have to, just take them together in the evening.
Hot tubs and massage.
I have also done sessions of physical therapy, but I will leave that to your doctors to prescribe. You could also try injections.
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Post by azredhead on Dec 28, 2014 21:05:59 GMT
HUGS!!!! DH is in the same boat although they aren't really sure where the problem is. He has another CT scan scheduled for this week, but today he is down in his chair. He's done PT. They checked the upper spine which made me crazy because it's been more his lower back and hips. It's soo hard to get relief for the pain. He's on HydroCodone now till they finish the testing.He did get one of those pads for his chair, that vibrates and has heat. He can adjust the settings. He's also tried the pain patches with the electro shock. That helped for when we had to be in the car. I hope you get some relief!!
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Post by scrapngranny on Dec 28, 2014 21:07:26 GMT
I have 3 bulging discs and my L5 is torn. I had a medial branch nerve ablation done on the right side L3-5 and S1, it has helped a lot. In January I'm starting the same process on the left side. I am also looking into finding an affordable place to start yoga.
I'm taking Tramadol for pain and when gets too bad I do take Norco.
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Post by azredhead on Dec 28, 2014 21:13:18 GMT
I have 3 bulging discs and my L5 is torn. I had a medial branch nerve ablation done on the right side L3-5 and S1, it has helped a lot. In January I'm starting the same process on the left side. I am also looking into finding an affordable place to start yoga. I'm taking Tramadol for pain and when gets too bad I do take Norco. What's Norco? Dh did Tramadol for a while but it didn't work. So he has the HydroCodone. I don't like him taking it when he has to take two just to numb the pain. It's just stupid.
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Post by tincin on Dec 28, 2014 22:49:24 GMT
I am on Tramadol a couple of times a day. It works pretty well for me but being on my feet for a couple of hours is no fun sometimes.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2014 22:58:10 GMT
Epidural steroid injections and water aerobics were what helped me. During bad flare ups, ice has always helped me more than heat. Hope you find some relief.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2014 23:29:03 GMT
My 20 year old daughter had a herniated disc at L5-S1. She did PT, steriod injections, and no one wanted to do surgery. She finally was able to have surgery on Oct. 30th. She is still in a fair amount of pain but better than prior to surgery. The neurosurgeon said because her injury was 14 months prior that it will take a long while for the nerves and everything to get better. They removed part of her disc and a bone spur during surgery. She is still in PT, and we are hoping the neurosurgeon will release her to go back to college in January but as of right now, he will not. I pray you find answers because this pain I have watched my daughter in for so long is awful!!! Hugs!
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Post by brookeq on Dec 28, 2014 23:38:51 GMT
I have had a bulging disk for a few years now. First year the pain was unbearable. I couldn't sit or lay down. It was pressing on my sciatic neerve. It was terrible. I went to an ortho, physical therapist and chiropractor. The pain is managable now but I keep waiting for it to fully come back. It has left me with nerve damage in my foot and it is numb all of the time.
No doctor around here (pittsburgh) recommends or even wants to perform the back surgery. so its not so easy to fix as some think
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Post by krispin41 on Dec 28, 2014 23:57:49 GMT
I haven't read through the whole thread....but for me it was surgery...twice. I felt instant relief. The second time, I did everything I could to avoid surgery...did intense PT three times a week, was home from work, pain killers, etc. Finally went to a pain management specialist, he did his evaluation and sent me to have an MRI...my discs (L4/L5) were bulging 1.5 cm...these things are usually measured in mm, so basically he told me the ONLY relief I would get would be from surgery. And knock on wood, he was right. Both times, the surgery was considered out-patient, although the first time I spent the night in the hospital. The second time, I came home as soon as I could, sleeping in my bed was much more comfy. Other than the pain from surgery, I did not have the debilitating back pain/sciatic nerve pain after the fact. In fact that morning, my Dad and I walked to the Jack in the Box next door to my apartment so I could eat. (MY DH got called into work, so he had my Dad come over to stay with me.)
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Post by paget on Dec 28, 2014 23:59:26 GMT
My BFF finally had back surgery and while she is better than she was she's still having pain and numbness. Her surgery was about 18 months ago. 
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Post by krispin41 on Dec 29, 2014 0:00:29 GMT
I haven't read through the whole thread....but for me it was surgery...twice. I felt instant relief. The second time, I did everything I could to avoid surgery...did intense PT three times a week, was home from work, pain killers, etc. Finally went to a pain management specialist, he did his evaluation and sent me to have an MRI...my discs (L4/L5) were bulging 1.5 cm...these things are usually measured in mm, so basically he told me the ONLY relief I would get would be from surgery. And knock on wood, he was right. Both times, the surgery was considered out-patient, although the first time I spent the night in the hospital. The second time, I came home as soon as I could, sleeping in my bed was much more comfy. Other than the pain from surgery, I did not have the debilitating back pain/sciatic nerve pain after the fact. In fact that morning, my Dad and I walked to the Jack in the Box next door to my apartment so I could eat. (MY DH got called into work, so he had my Dad come over to stay with me.)
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Post by scrapngranny on Dec 29, 2014 0:04:32 GMT
I have 3 bulging discs and my L5 is torn. I had a medial branch nerve ablation done on the right side L3-5 and S1, it has helped a lot. In January I'm starting the same process on the left side. I am also looking into finding an affordable place to start yoga. I'm taking Tramadol for pain and when gets too bad I do take Norco. What's Norco? Dh did Tramadol for a while but it didn't work. So he has the HydroCodone. I don't like him taking it when he has to take two just to numb the pain. It's just stupid. Norco is hydrocodone. I'm not sure why that is the name on the script. I must say I do take two Tramadol instead of just one, but that usually does it the trick. The pain specialist I'm seeing is not too much in favor of prescribing hydrocodone, or narcotics in general, he seems to think it makes matters worse instead of better. Since he told me that at my first appointment, maybe what he was really saying was, if you are seeking narcotics, you're in the wrong place. So far it hasn't been an issue for me, so I haven't had to push the envelope.
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Post by ptamom on Dec 29, 2014 0:08:00 GMT
Exercises to strengthen your core. Strong abs take a lot of strain off your back.
Be sure to maintain good posture, even when relaxing. If I lay about slumped over, I feel it later.
I sleep on my side with three pillows, one under my head, one between my knees, and one that I hug, to keep my spine from twisting over. I hate hotels, they never have supportive enough pillows.
Good, supportive shoes. When I wear "cute" shoes that do not absorb the impact of walking, I regret it later.
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Post by anxiousmom on Dec 29, 2014 0:09:29 GMT
I am so sorry that you are having such pain, but I sure would like to thank you for the thread title that I keep misreading. I can't stop giggling and wondering what really goes on behind bedroom doors of the peas that would prompt such a question. 
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Post by azredhead on Dec 29, 2014 0:36:31 GMT
What's Norco? Dh did Tramadol for a while but it didn't work. So he has the HydroCodone. I don't like him taking it when he has to take two just to numb the pain. It's just stupid. Norco is hydrocodone. I'm not sure why that is the name on the script. I must say I do take two Tramadol instead of just one, but that usually does it the trick. The pain specialist I'm seeing is not too much in favor of prescribing hydrocodone, or narcotics in general, he seems to think it makes matters worse instead of better. Since he told me that at my first appointment, maybe what he was really saying was, if you are seeking narcotics, you're in the wrong place. So far it hasn't been an issue for me, so I haven't had to push the envelope. Ok that makes sense, I'm not a fan of the narcotics either and DH is such a light weight when he does take them, one makes him loopy but when the pains bad he has two. I don't like the side affects when I've taken it. I don't know how he does two. It doesn't seem to help much. So I am glad they going lower on CT scan.
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Post by scrapalatte on Dec 29, 2014 1:38:48 GMT
Your back pain is exactly where my problem is. I dealt with it off and on for about 15 years, and then I couldn't stand it any longer and saw a chiropractor. He did manual manipulation which helped, but not enough for normalcy. He did this stretching technique that caused incontinence, so I ended up getting a referral to an orthopedist to go over my options. The MRI showed a bulging disc and arthritis. The surgeon shaved off the bulging disc almost four years ago.
Things have been great until very recently, but now I know how to deal with it. I take ibuprofen, stretches, and my TENS unit. I also try to eat along the lines of the deflame.com diet.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2014 11:42:14 GMT
And just a point I want to bring up. Ask to have your legs checked by a PT. Turns out after 20 years, the PT found that my daughter has Leg Length Discrepancy (LLD). It has greatly slowed down her recovery and caused a LOT of issues. We are SO thankful it was found and wondered why no one ever checked it before. She now has a lift in her left shoe but we are going to have her shoes fixed by a cobbler. She cannot go barefoot now as the LLD increases her back issues.
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Post by ~Zoey~ on Dec 29, 2014 12:19:47 GMT
PT gave me very little relief. Once I got injections, I was able to walk and stand for more than 20 minutes and what a change it was in my quality of life. That was several years ago and I could certainly benefit from another round of injections, but it's not part of my budget at this time.
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Post by smannes on Dec 29, 2014 13:23:09 GMT
I had a L5 disk herniation. I could barely walk or dress myself for 4 months. I had an Xray and MRI. I was given pain meds that didn't work and went to PT, that didn't help. I also had 2 injections, neither gave me any sort of relief. I was also put out of work for 2 weeks. I couldn't take it anymore and met with a surgeon. I postponed the date once then a week before my second scheduled surgery date I felt better so I decided to cancel. By the time my 2nd surgery date rolled around my back was 90% better. I don't have pain nearly as bad as it was. Sometimes I can feel it starting so I take ibuprofen and I'm good. I'm so glad I didn't move ahead with the surgery. I hope you can get some relief as I know the horrible pain involved.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2014 14:51:43 GMT
Exercises to strengthen your core. Strong abs take a lot of strain off your back. Be sure to maintain good posture, even when relaxing. If I lay about slumped over, I feel it later. I sleep on my side with three pillows, one under my head, one between my knees, and one that I hug, to keep my spine from twisting over. I hate hotels, they never have supportive enough pillows. Good, supportive shoes. When I wear "cute" shoes that do not absorb the impact of walking, I regret it later. I agree and do all of the above things too. I've had back pain for almost 6 years now...wow, I can't believe it's been that long. It started with back spams and aching. But after a couple of years, I got an MRI done because I was having daily pain. I found out I have a herniated and bulging disk, degenerative disk disease and bone spurs at L4-L5 and L5-S1. I tried epidural injections but got almost no relief. We don't have insurance for a chiropractor and I'm scared to see one anyway. I'm currently on daily doses of Zanaflex, Motrin and Neurontin. I finally saw an orthopedic surgeon in October and his recommendation was a double disk fusion. I said, thanks but no thanks and cried in his office (so embarrassing). I can't stand or sit for long periods of time and use a 'butt pillow' if I'm sitting at my computer. My pain radiates in my butt and sometimes down my left leg. I've done physical therapy and use a balance ball at home and do yoga stretches. I also use heat nightly. I worry about the future all the time. My hope is to do a lot of travelling one day, but this problem may prevent that.  I'm almost 46 years old and feel too young for this chronic pain.
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Post by lavawalker on Dec 29, 2014 15:45:42 GMT
Thank you for your replies so far, you have all been very helpful.
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Post by lavawalker on Dec 29, 2014 15:51:34 GMT
I am sure the PT did this, but did they do the Mckenzie extension ex's with you? I looked up McKenzie extensions. These are exercises that are included in my exercise packet, but just aren't called by that name. Yes, I do them.
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Post by lavawalker on Dec 29, 2014 23:13:46 GMT
Lavawalker, if you have been in that much pain for 18 months, I am puzzled at why you wouldn't want surgery??? I didn't say i didn't want surgery..... I was just asking for others experiences, what worked for them, etc..... 
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Post by sugarmama on Dec 29, 2014 23:20:26 GMT
You don't want to wait so long to take care of it that you end up with nerve damage. Hope you get better soon!
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