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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 11, 2025 12:38:19 GMT
We hate anyone who commits a crime, whether it's a Christian pastor, a drag queen or a trans man or woman. We hate them all if they are committing crimes. sorry, but I've NEVER seen you on any threads here talk about Christian pastors, or ANYONE else with the same glee that you mention deporting someone without just cause. So I don't believe you. AT ALL. You are FULL OF SH!T. She also doesn’t seem to be bothered that Trump has committed multiple crimes. She loves and worships him and approves of everything he does. ETA that they also don't seem to be bothered by fraud and "white collar crime" that Trump is encouraging and condoning by ending investigations and oversight.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 11, 2025 12:41:54 GMT
It's amazing to me that you don't give two shits that INNOCENT people have been and are being caught up in the raids to rid the US of the foreign criminals with no due process simply because they are brown and have tattoos. People who ARE here legally. I'm sure you are burying your head in the sand about those cases, or not even reading the thread where these terrible stories are being posted. Or you know and just consider those people collateral damage and shrug your shoulders at it. I am so glad you find the horrible things Trump and his minions are doing entertaining. Because he IS indeed destroying and shitting on the constitution every damn day. It's disgusting that you worship him so much that you don't see what he is doing, that you don't see how everyone around the world now feels about the US. But go on burying your head in the cult world of Donald Trump. It is incredible to me that the Magats scream about all the raping that illegal citizens are doing but crickets about the rapes committed by CIS White American males. Or the number of mass murders committed on school grounds by CIS white males who are American citizens. Or even by their savior Trump.
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Post by Merge on Apr 11, 2025 13:27:28 GMT
If the Democrats had done this there would be mass hysteria among the right claiming the Dems overstepped.The dems wouldn't be smart enough to have tried to stop waste and abuse of taxpayer money, they would have spent WAY MORE taxpayer money for ridiculous programs that DOGE is eliminating so that Americans can have more money in their pockets. Where is the verifiable proof what was cut was waste? Seriously where is the proof? And where are the charges being brought? If there was truly fraud, you would see a lot of people being arrested. Where are they?
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Post by cindosha on Apr 11, 2025 14:12:11 GMT
Where is the verifiable proof what was cut was waste? Seriously where is the proof? And where are the charges being brought? If there was truly fraud, you would see a lot of people being arrested. Where are they? I hope that will happen soon!!
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Post by cindosha on Apr 11, 2025 14:13:02 GMT
sorry, but I've NEVER seen you on any threads here talk about Christian pastors, or ANYONE else with the same glee that you mention deporting someone without just cause. So I don't believe you. AT ALL. You are FULL OF SH!T. She also doesn’t seem to be bothered that Trump has committed multiple crimes. She loves and worships him and approves of everything he does. ETA that they also don't seem to be bothered by fraud and "white collar crime" that Trump is encouraging and condoning by ending investigations and oversight. He's not
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 11, 2025 22:10:01 GMT
Trump is absolutely ending investigations and oversight and fired at least 17 independent inspectors general. Just a few examples www.pbs.org/newshour/show/inspectors-general-fired-by-trump-issue-warning-about-lack-of-oversight The Trump administration's first weeks saw a wave of firings, including more than 17 inspectors general, independent watchdogs overseeing government waste, fraud and abuse. www.nytimes.com/2025/04/08/us/politics/doj-disbands-crypto-unit.html Justice Dept. Disbands Cryptocurrency Enforcement Unit The Trump administration is dialing back its enforcement of cryptocurrency, and criticizing Biden-era prosecutionswww.npr.org/2025/03/12/1237991536/trump-checks-on-power-firing-inspectors-general The Trump administration continues to fire, shut down or defund independent elements of the federal government that traditionally work as a check on presidential power.www.reuters.com/world/us/trumps-acting-cfpb-chief-halts-all-supervision-companies-2025-02-09/F eb 9 (Reuters) - The U.S. Consumer Financial Protection Bureau was defanged over the weekend with all activities suspended, its upcoming funding facing a cut and its headquarters temporarily closed, removing a layer of oversight over consumer-facing financial companies.
The agency, a lightning rod for conservatives and the industry since its 2010 creation by Congress, was hobbled by its acting chief Russell Vought, who ordered staff to cease all "supervision and examination activity" and said he would zero out the agency's funding.
www.propublica.org/article/homeland-security-crcl-civil-rights-immigration-border-patrol-trump-kristi-noem “They Don’t Care About Civil Rights”: Trump’s Shuttering of DHS Oversight Arm Freezes 600 Cases, Imperils Human Rights
The closure of the 150-person office, which protected the civil rights of both immigrants and U.S. citizens, strips Homeland Security of its internal guardrails as the Trump administration turns DHS into a mass-deportation machine, analysts say
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 11, 2025 22:11:47 GMT
She also doesn’t seem to be bothered that Trump has committed multiple crimes. She loves and worships him and approves of everything he does. ETA that they also don't seem to be bothered by fraud and "white collar crime" that Trump is encouraging and condoning by ending investigations and oversight. He's not He most certainly is.
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Post by cindosha on Apr 12, 2025 17:13:50 GMT
No he most certainly isn’t.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 12, 2025 20:18:08 GMT
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 12, 2025 23:43:45 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 12, 2025 23:49:20 GMT
Trump is also normalizing criminal behavior and sexual assault by nominating men who are guilty of it. And he normalized criminal behavior with his pardon abuses of J6 criminals, Manafort, Steve Bannon, Michael Flynn, Roger Stone and Kushner’s father, among others. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/11/24/trump-picks-sexual-misconduct-allegations/P resident-elect Donald Trump has chosen multiple people facing sexual misconduct allegations for key administration positions, downplaying the accusations against them and testing the willingness of his party to do the same.
Trump’s willingness to pick people who face such accusations shows his insistence on placing loyalty above Washington norms and his tendency to play down accusations of sexual misconduct as invented claims or the work of political enemies.
“How is appointing people who’ve been accused of sexually assaulting women … how is that protecting women?” she said Thursday. “If anything, it’s emboldening abusers
campaignlegal.org/press-releases/president-trumps-pardon-january-6-attackers-abuse-his-power
“President Trump’s pardon of the January 6 attackers is an abuse of his power. Pardoning loyalists for political violence is the action of an autocrat serving his own ends, and blocking the criminal legal process prevents justice from being served. Anyone involved in trying to overrule the will of voters in future elections must face consequences that are severe enough to fully vindicate the rule of law.”
www.forbes.com/sites/stephaniesarkis/2020/02/18/trumps-pardons-are-meant-to-normalize-white-collar-crime/
Today President Trump pardoned seven people and commuted the sentences of four others. Most were white-collar criminals. Trump is normalizing pardons and white-collar crime so it won’t be such a surprise to the public when he pardons people like Roger Stone. It also gives a message to the public that white-collar crime is just the “price of doing business.” This is by design.
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Post by Merge on Apr 13, 2025 13:45:40 GMT
How quickly some have forgotten that one of Trump's first acts in office was to fire 17 inspectors general from different agencies across the government. IGs are tasked with rooting out fraud and corruption, acting as a check on the power of both the executive and the agency itself. apnews.com/article/trump-inspectors-general-fired-congress-unlawful-4e8bc57e132c3f9a7f1c2a3754359993At the time, Trump claimed he was going to replace the fired IGs with "better people," but I'm not able to find any evidence that has happened other than at DoD (though I'm betting Stebbins won't last long now that he's opened an investigation into Signalgate). Because, of course, all IGs will now be expected to look the other way when corruption or lawbreaking happens IF it benefits Trump or his people, or risk losing their jobs. That's what it means to be "better people" under Trump. (As an aside, in case Elon is wondering, this is what a wall of receipts should look like. Not the meaningless nonsense currently posted on the DOGE website. www.oversight.gov/inspectors-general/department-defense-oig These investigations were all started during the Biden admin, of course.) Additionally, of course, Trump has attempted to dissolve the CFPB, an entity that protects consumers from predatory financial practices. This has been litigated and the courts - including two of his own appointee judges - have determined that he can't dissolve it entirely. But he will still significantly shrink the bureau, limiting its ability to hold corporations accountable for their financial mistreatment of Americans. www.cnn.com/2025/04/11/politics/trump-cfpb-appeals-court-order/index.htmlAnd in dissolving the DoE and specifically the part of it that investigates civil rights violations and failures to accommodate children with special needs, he is allowing public schools to get away with breaking those laws. In ending the 1965 order by LBJ to prevent discrimination in federal hiring, he is allowing and encouraging further civil rights violations. So yes, it's fair to say that Trump is both allowing and encouraging various kinds of white-collar crime, including fraud, corruption, civil rights violations, educational rights violations, and fraudulent and predatory business practices.
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Post by Merge on Apr 13, 2025 15:29:26 GMT
Oh, and don’t forget about the gleeful insider trading and manipulation of markets going on in the Trump White House . 
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Post by onelasttime on Apr 14, 2025 17:42:02 GMT
Where is the verifiable proof what was cut was waste? Seriously where is the proof? In front of your face. Doge website. But you can’t get people to believe what they’re too ignorant to believe. This guy is the one who investigated trump’s charity and proved it was a fake. So while the doge site may list the contract apparently one can’t actually see what was in the contract and what it does. Meaning doge is not being transparent. David Fahrenthold… “Hello @doge! I'm a @nytimes reporter, trying to verify the 4th-largest item on your list of cancelled contracts, accounting for $318M in savings. I looked for the document you cited, but couldn't find it in govt databases. @doge_OPM would not provide a copy. Could you post it here?” x.com/fahrenthold/status/1911799907452592273?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nw
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Post by cindosha on Apr 14, 2025 17:53:23 GMT
In front of your face. Doge website. But you can’t get people to believe what they’re too ignorant to believe. This guy is the one who investigated trump’s charity and proved it was a fake. So while the doge site may list the contract apparently one can’t actually see what was in the contract and what it does. Meaning doge is not being transparent. David Fahrenthold… “Hello @doge! I'm a @nytimes reporter, trying to verify the 4th-largest item on your list of cancelled contracts, accounting for $318M in savings. I looked for the document you cited, but couldn't find it in govt databases. @doge_OPM would not provide a copy. Could you post it here?” x.com/fahrenthold/status/1911799907452592273?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nwI reiterate..... But you can’t get people to believe what they’re too ignorant to believe.
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Post by onelasttime on Apr 14, 2025 18:04:38 GMT
This guy is the one who investigated trump’s charity and proved it was a fake. So while the doge site may list the contract apparently one can’t actually see what was in the contract and what it does. Meaning doge is not being transparent. David Fahrenthold… “Hello @doge! I'm a @nytimes reporter, trying to verify the 4th-largest item on your list of cancelled contracts, accounting for $318M in savings. I looked for the document you cited, but couldn't find it in govt databases. @doge_OPM would not provide a copy. Could you post it here?” x.com/fahrenthold/status/1911799907452592273?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nwI reiterate..... But you can’t get people to believe what they’re too ignorant to believe.Yes that is true as you are a perfect example of that since you refuse to see what’s in front of you by ignoring the facts. And because of people like you this country has a vindictive asshole for president that will destroy this country.
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Post by onelasttime on Apr 14, 2025 18:13:32 GMT
This is what you voted for..trump telling the President of El Salvation he needed to build more prision for “home-grown” meaning US Citizens, Aaron Rupar… ”Trump to Bukele: "Home-growns are next. The home-growns. You gotta build about five more places. It's not big enough." Richard…. ”So Trump is now on tape telling a foreign dictator he’s got to build more prison camps because he needs more space to put Americans there. Yeah alright waiting for the 2026 midterms no longer seems adequate.” x.com/richardhanania/status/1911825666947068095?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nw
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Post by scrappinmama on Apr 14, 2025 20:15:32 GMT
I think that non-Trumpers need to come to the realization that Trumpers are cult members. There is no reason to even try to reach them. They are gone. It will take deprogramming to bring them back.
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Post by Merge on Apr 14, 2025 20:46:58 GMT
I think that non-Trumpers need to come to the realization that Trumpers are cult members. There is no reason to even try to reach them. They are gone. It will take deprogramming to bring them back. This. You might as well argue with someone deep into Scientology.
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Post by cindosha on Apr 15, 2025 13:04:53 GMT
I think that non-Trumpers need to come to the realization that Trumpers are cult members. There is no reason to even try to reach them. They are gone. It will take deprogramming to bring them back. Trumpers are cult membersFor 4 years libs/dems tried to convince everyone that biden was fully cognizant, competent and able to fulfill his duties as president. That man couldn't find his way off stage, fell multiple times, couldn't up the climb stairs, couldn't hold a press conference for more than 3 minutes, couldn't answer simple questions, couldn't read off of a teleprompter, couldn't cognizently participate in a debate and fell asleep during meetings with foreign officials. All of this while the libs, the press and the press secretary tried to sell the American people that he was smart, competent and running circles around his staff (which we all know now is not even near the truth, based on several books that have recently come out), and told the American people that reports that biden wasn't competent, were “hearsay” and “fallacious". The press secretary even stated that "I can't keep up with him", which didn't say much for her abilities. And you have the balls to call Trumpers "cult members"? Now that's something I find incredibly laughable.
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Post by cindosha on Apr 15, 2025 13:08:15 GMT
I reiterate..... But you can’t get people to believe what they’re too ignorant to believe.Yes that is true as you are a perfect example of that since you refuse to see what’s in front of you by ignoring the facts. And because of people like you this country has a vindictive asshole for president that will destroy this country. president that will destroy this country.
He is saving this country from politicians and misuse of power by them.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Apr 15, 2025 13:22:49 GMT
I guess you don't really know the way people used to come here. They bought passage on a ship, and came. They did what they needed to do once they got here. So while they didn't charge over the border, they charged over here on a ship and hoped they weren't sick and turned away and sent back once they arrived. Yep. That’s how many of my ancestors arrived. There was no screening aside from a quick check by a doctor on a boat. 100% this. I’m sure that’s how my ancestors got here too.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Apr 15, 2025 13:40:44 GMT
Oh, and don’t forget about the gleeful insider trading and manipulation of markets going on in the Trump White House .  I immediately recalled Martha Stewart too when the whole pump and dump tariff scheme started. People have gone to prison for much, much less. But that was way back in a time and place where the rule of law was respected.
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Post by cindosha on Apr 15, 2025 13:44:29 GMT
Yep. That’s how many of my ancestors arrived. There was no screening aside from a quick check by a doctor on a boat. 100% this. I’m sure that’s how my ancestors got here too. There was no screening aside from a quick check by a doctor on a boatWrong...they were documented, too. Like they should have been. 1. Ship Manifests:
Purpose:
Ship manifests were the official record of each immigrant's arrival, containing detailed information gathered at the port of departure.
Content:
Included details like name, age, occupation, destination, and other pertinent information.
Role:
Served as the foundation for inspection procedures and the source for official immigration statistics.
2. Medical Inspections:
Purpose: To ensure immigrants did not pose a threat to public health.
Procedure: Doctors on "the Line" at Ellis Island would conduct rapid physical examinations, including looking for signs of contagious diseases.
Focus: Examining immigrants for contagious diseases and assessing their overall physical condition.
3. Legal Inspections:
Purpose: To determine if immigrants were eligible to enter the United States.
Procedure: Legal inspectors used the information from the manifest to cross-examine immigrants, asking questions about their background, intentions, and financial situation.
Focus: Assessing whether immigrants were likely to become a public charge, had a criminal history, or had entered under false pretenses.
4. Documentation and Records:
Punch Card System:
The Immigration Service adopted a punch-card system to collect and tabulate data from the manifest.
Storage:
Manifests were filed at each port and then bound into books for storage and future reference.
Interpreters:
Interpreters were employed to facilitate communication between immigrants and inspectors, ensuring accurate record-keeping. Most immigrants were released after a few hours, but those with serious health issues or deemed likely to become public charges were detained and potentially deported, says the Statue of Liberty — Ellis Island Foundation.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Apr 15, 2025 14:10:04 GMT
100% this. I’m sure that’s how my ancestors got here too. There was no screening aside from a quick check by a doctor on a boatWrong...they were documented, too. Like they should have been. 1. Ship Manifests:
Purpose:
Ship manifests were the official record of each immigrant's arrival, containing detailed information gathered at the port of departure.
Content:
Included details like name, age, occupation, destination, and other pertinent information.
Role:
Served as the foundation for inspection procedures and the source for official immigration statistics.
2. Medical Inspections:
Purpose: To ensure immigrants did not pose a threat to public health.
Procedure: Doctors on "the Line" at Ellis Island would conduct rapid physical examinations, including looking for signs of contagious diseases.
Focus: Examining immigrants for contagious diseases and assessing their overall physical condition.
3. Legal Inspections:
Purpose: To determine if immigrants were eligible to enter the United States.
Procedure: Legal inspectors used the information from the manifest to cross-examine immigrants, asking questions about their background, intentions, and financial situation.
Focus: Assessing whether immigrants were likely to become a public charge, had a criminal history, or had entered under false pretenses.
4. Documentation and Records:
Punch Card System:
The Immigration Service adopted a punch-card system to collect and tabulate data from the manifest.
Storage:
Manifests were filed at each port and then bound into books for storage and future reference.
Interpreters:
Interpreters were employed to facilitate communication between immigrants and inspectors, ensuring accurate record-keeping. Most immigrants were released after a few hours, but those with serious health issues or deemed likely to become public charges were detained and potentially deported, says the Statue of Liberty — Ellis Island Foundation. Maybe, and maybe not if your ancestors came over prior to 1875. www.uscis.gov/about-us/our-history/explore-agency-history/overview-of-agency-history/early-american-immigration-policies
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Post by cindosha on Apr 15, 2025 14:24:47 GMT
There was no screening aside from a quick check by a doctor on a boatWrong...they were documented, too. Like they should have been. 1. Ship Manifests:
Purpose:
Ship manifests were the official record of each immigrant's arrival, containing detailed information gathered at the port of departure.
Content:
Included details like name, age, occupation, destination, and other pertinent information.
Role:
Served as the foundation for inspection procedures and the source for official immigration statistics.
2. Medical Inspections:
Purpose: To ensure immigrants did not pose a threat to public health.
Procedure: Doctors on "the Line" at Ellis Island would conduct rapid physical examinations, including looking for signs of contagious diseases.
Focus: Examining immigrants for contagious diseases and assessing their overall physical condition.
3. Legal Inspections:
Purpose: To determine if immigrants were eligible to enter the United States.
Procedure: Legal inspectors used the information from the manifest to cross-examine immigrants, asking questions about their background, intentions, and financial situation.
Focus: Assessing whether immigrants were likely to become a public charge, had a criminal history, or had entered under false pretenses.
4. Documentation and Records:
Punch Card System:
The Immigration Service adopted a punch-card system to collect and tabulate data from the manifest.
Storage:
Manifests were filed at each port and then bound into books for storage and future reference.
Interpreters:
Interpreters were employed to facilitate communication between immigrants and inspectors, ensuring accurate record-keeping. Most immigrants were released after a few hours, but those with serious health issues or deemed likely to become public charges were detained and potentially deported, says the Statue of Liberty — Ellis Island Foundation. Maybe, and maybe not if your ancestors came over prior to 1875. www.uscis.gov/about-us/our-history/explore-agency-history/overview-of-agency-history/early-american-immigration-policies They saw the need to regulate the number of and type of immigrants even back then, and to make sure that everyone was documented:Americans encouraged relatively free and open immigration during the 18th and early 19th centuries, and rarely questioned that policy until the late 1800s. After certain states passed immigration laws following the Civil War, the Supreme Court in 1875 declared regulation of immigration a federal responsibility. Thus, as the number of immigrants rose in the 1880s and economic conditions in some areas worsened, Congress began to pass immigration legislation. The Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 and Alien Contract Labor laws of 1885 and 1887 prohibited certain laborers from immigrating to the United States. The general Immigration Act of 1882 levied a head tax of fifty cents on each immigrant and blocked (or excluded) the entry of idiots, lunatics, convicts, and persons likely to become a public charge. These national immigration laws created the need for new federal enforcement authorities. In the 1880s, state boards or commissions enforced immigration law with direction from U.S. Treasury Department officials. At the Federal level, U.S. Customs Collectors at each port of entry collected the head tax from immigrants while "Chinese Inspectors" enforced the Chinese Exclusion Act. The federal government assumed direct control of inspecting, admitting, rejecting, and processing all immigrants seeking admission to the United States with the Immigration Act of 1891. The 1891 Act also expanded the list of excludable classes, barring the immigration of polygamists, persons convicted of crimes of moral turpitude, and those suffering loathsome or contagious diseases. The national government’s new immigration obligations and its increasingly complex immigration laws required a dedicated federal enforcement agency to regulate immigration. Accordingly, the 1891 Immigration Act created the Office of the Superintendent of Immigration within the Treasury Department. The Superintendent oversaw a new corps of U.S. Immigrant Inspectors stationed at the country’s principal ports of entry. Federal Immigration Stations On January 2, 1892, the Immigration Service opened the U.S.’s best known immigration station on Ellis Island in New York Harbor. The enormous station housed inspection facilities, hearing and detention rooms, hospitals, cafeterias, administrative offices, railroad ticket offices, and representatives of many immigrant aid societies. America’s largest and busiest port of entry for decades, Ellis Island station employed 119 of the Immigration Service's entire staff of 180 in 1893. The Service built additional immigrant stations at other principal ports of entry through the early 20th century. At New York, Boston, Philadelphia, and other traditional ports of entry, the Immigration Service hired many Immigrant Inspectors who previously worked for state agencies. At other ports, both old and new, the Service built an Inspector corps by hiring former Customs Inspectors and Chinese Inspectors, and training recruits. Implementing A National Immigration Policy During its first decade, the Immigration Service formalized basic immigration procedures and made its first attempts to enforce a national immigration policy. The Immigration Service began collecting arrival manifests (also frequently called passenger lists or immigration arrival records) from each incoming ship, a former duty of the U.S. Customs Service since 1820. Inspectors then questioned arrivals about their admissibility and noted their admission or rejection on the manifest records. Beginning in 1893, Inspectors also served on Boards of Special Inquiry that closely reviewed each exclusion case. Inspectors often initially excluded aliens who were likely to become public charges because they lacked funds or had no friends or relatives nearby. In these cases, the Board of Special Inquiry usually admitted the alien if someone could post bond or one of the immigrant aid societies would accept responsibility for the alien. Detention guards and matrons cared for detained persons pending decisions in their cases or, if the decision was negative, awaiting deportation. The Immigration Service deported aliens denied admission by the Board of Special Inquiry at the expense of the transportation company that brought them to the port. Enhanced Responsibilities Congress continued to exert Federal control over immigration with the Act of March 2, 1895, which promoted the Office of Immigration to the Bureau of Immigration and changed the agency head's title from Superintendent to Commissioner-General of Immigration. The Act of June 6, 1900, consolidated immigration enforcement by assigning enforcement of both Alien Contract Labor laws and Chinese Exclusion laws to the Commissioner-General. Because most immigration laws of the time sought to protect American workers and wages, an Act of February 14, 1903, transferred the Bureau of Immigration from the Treasury Department to the newly created Department of Commerce and Labor. An "immigrant fund" created from collection of immigrants' head tax financed the Immigration Service until 1909, when Congress replaced the fund with an annual appropriation.
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Post by Merge on Apr 15, 2025 14:37:22 GMT
There was no screening aside from a quick check by a doctor on a boatWrong...they were documented, too. Like they should have been. 1. Ship Manifests:
Purpose:
Ship manifests were the official record of each immigrant's arrival, containing detailed information gathered at the port of departure.
Content:
Included details like name, age, occupation, destination, and other pertinent information.
Role:
Served as the foundation for inspection procedures and the source for official immigration statistics.
2. Medical Inspections:
Purpose: To ensure immigrants did not pose a threat to public health.
Procedure: Doctors on "the Line" at Ellis Island would conduct rapid physical examinations, including looking for signs of contagious diseases.
Focus: Examining immigrants for contagious diseases and assessing their overall physical condition.
3. Legal Inspections:
Purpose: To determine if immigrants were eligible to enter the United States.
Procedure: Legal inspectors used the information from the manifest to cross-examine immigrants, asking questions about their background, intentions, and financial situation.
Focus: Assessing whether immigrants were likely to become a public charge, had a criminal history, or had entered under false pretenses.
4. Documentation and Records:
Punch Card System:
The Immigration Service adopted a punch-card system to collect and tabulate data from the manifest.
Storage:
Manifests were filed at each port and then bound into books for storage and future reference.
Interpreters:
Interpreters were employed to facilitate communication between immigrants and inspectors, ensuring accurate record-keeping. Most immigrants were released after a few hours, but those with serious health issues or deemed likely to become public charges were detained and potentially deported, says the Statue of Liberty — Ellis Island Foundation. Maybe, and maybe not if your ancestors came over prior to 1875. www.uscis.gov/about-us/our-history/explore-agency-history/overview-of-agency-history/early-american-immigration-policiesTo add to that, there wasn't much enforcement at the southern border until the 1920s because - wait for it - American agriculture demanded workers from Mexico to meet its needs. And when more enforcement was put in place, it was done with purely racist intent. Some people still believed that people with dark skin "carry different diseases" than whites do. (That was also one of the arguments for segregation in the Jim Crow south.)
On the east coast, states routinely deported the Irish in the mid-19th century - even American citizens of Irish descent - if they were poor. Affluent protestant America strongly disliked the Catholic Irish and would deport them on any pretext. Current immigration practice, ironically supported by many Americans of some Irish descent, bears a strong resemblance to this history. There was similar dislike of/deportation of immigrants from southern and eastern Europe at various times.
As an aside, for anyone interested in learning more about immigration and the lives of immigrants in the 19th century, the Tenement Museum in NYC is well worth a trip.
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Post by cindosha on Apr 15, 2025 15:05:18 GMT
To add to that, there wasn't much enforcement at the southern border until the 1920s because - wait for it - American agriculture demanded workers from Mexico to meet its needs. And when more enforcement was put in place, it was done with purely racist intent. Some people still believed that people with dark skin "carry different diseases" than whites do. (That was also one of the arguments for segregation in the Jim Crow south.)
On the east coast, states routinely deported the Irish in the mid-19th century - even American citizens of Irish descent - if they were poor. Affluent protestant America strongly disliked the Catholic Irish and would deport them on any pretext. Current immigration practice, ironically supported by many Americans of some Irish descent, bears a strong resemblance to this history. There was similar dislike of/deportation of immigrants from southern and eastern Europe at various times.
As an aside, for anyone interested in learning more about immigration and the lives of immigrants in the 19th century, the Tenement Museum in NYC is well worth a trip. It doesn't detract from the fact that they were still documented, every one of them that came over our borders. Not like the last 4 years. As an aside about the Irish....
While the 1920s saw a shift in immigration policy with the Immigration Act of 1924, it wasn't primarily focused on deporting existing Irish residents. Instead, the law aimed to limit future immigration, especially from Southern and Eastern Europe, by establishing national origin quotas. While some Irish immigrants, particularly those who were deemed "indigent" or "public charges," may have been deported due to existing state and federal deportation laws, the 1920s deportation of Irish residents was not as widespread as the act's impact on future immigration. Here's a more detailed explanation: 1. Immigration Act of 1924 and its Impact: The Immigration Act of 1924, also known as the Johnson-Reed Act, significantly restricted immigration by setting national origin quotas based on the 1890 census. The goal was to limit immigration from Southern and Eastern Europe, as well as to further restrict Asian immigration. This act didn't focus on deporting existing immigrants, but rather on limiting future immigration from specific regions. 2. Deportation of Irish in the 19th Century: Deportation of Irish immigrants, particularly those who were indigent or deemed a "public charge," had a precedent in the 19th century, especially in states like Massachusetts. State officials would check public records for people of different nationalities and remove them. This was sometimes done by sending people to other states, like New York, or to Canada. 3. Irish Nativism and Anti-Immigrant Sentiment: Nativist groups and some Americans had negative perceptions of Irish immigrants, often associating them with poverty, crime, and Catholicism. These perceptions contributed to the 19th-century deportation of Irish immigrants deemed a burden on society. 4. Irish Immigration in the 1920s: While the 1920s saw a significant wave of Irish immigrants, they were largely from the period after the Great Famine and before the restrictive immigration laws. The number of Irish immigrants arriving in the 1920s decreased significantly after the national quotas were implemented.
In conclusion, the deportation of Irish immigrants in the 1920s was not as widespread or focused as the restrictions imposed by the Immigration Act of 1924. While some Irish immigrants might have been deported for being a "public charge" or for other reasons, the primary impact of the 1920s was to limit future immigration from specific regions, rather than to deport existing residents.
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Post by Merge on Apr 15, 2025 15:21:05 GMT
To add to that, there wasn't much enforcement at the southern border until the 1920s because - wait for it - American agriculture demanded workers from Mexico to meet its needs. And when more enforcement was put in place, it was done with purely racist intent. Some people still believed that people with dark skin "carry different diseases" than whites do. (That was also one of the arguments for segregation in the Jim Crow south.)
On the east coast, states routinely deported the Irish in the mid-19th century - even American citizens of Irish descent - if they were poor. Affluent protestant America strongly disliked the Catholic Irish and would deport them on any pretext. Current immigration practice, ironically supported by many Americans of some Irish descent, bears a strong resemblance to this history. There was similar dislike of/deportation of immigrants from southern and eastern Europe at various times.
As an aside, for anyone interested in learning more about immigration and the lives of immigrants in the 19th century, the Tenement Museum in NYC is well worth a trip. It doesn't detract from the fact that they were still documented, every one of them that came over our borders. Not like the last 4 years. As an aside about the Irish....
While the 1920s saw a shift in immigration policy with the Immigration Act of 1924, it wasn't primarily focused on deporting existing Irish residents. Instead, the law aimed to limit future immigration, especially from Southern and Eastern Europe, by establishing national origin quotas. While some Irish immigrants, particularly those who were deemed "indigent" or "public charges," may have been deported due to existing state and federal deportation laws, the 1920s deportation of Irish residents was not as widespread as the act's impact on future immigration. Here's a more detailed explanation: 1. Immigration Act of 1924 and its Impact: The Immigration Act of 1924, also known as the Johnson-Reed Act, significantly restricted immigration by setting national origin quotas based on the 1890 census. The goal was to limit immigration from Southern and Eastern Europe, as well as to further restrict Asian immigration. This act didn't focus on deporting existing immigrants, but rather on limiting future immigration from specific regions. 2. Deportation of Irish in the 19th Century: Deportation of Irish immigrants, particularly those who were indigent or deemed a "public charge," had a precedent in the 19th century, especially in states like Massachusetts. State officials would check public records for people of different nationalities and remove them. This was sometimes done by sending people to other states, like New York, or to Canada. 3. Irish Nativism and Anti-Immigrant Sentiment: Nativist groups and some Americans had negative perceptions of Irish immigrants, often associating them with poverty, crime, and Catholicism. These perceptions contributed to the 19th-century deportation of Irish immigrants deemed a burden on society. 4. Irish Immigration in the 1920s: While the 1920s saw a significant wave of Irish immigrants, they were largely from the period after the Great Famine and before the restrictive immigration laws. The number of Irish immigrants arriving in the 1920s decreased significantly after the national quotas were implemented.
In conclusion, the deportation of Irish immigrants in the 1920s was not as widespread or focused as the restrictions imposed by the Immigration Act of 1924. While some Irish immigrants might have been deported for being a "public charge" or for other reasons, the primary impact of the 1920s was to limit future immigration from specific regions, rather than to deport existing residents. Nope. From the first article:
And as the article goes on to state, when Senator Blease proposed the bill that became the Immigration Act of 1929, it was for largely racist reasons and was implemented along racial lines.
And in the second article, you ignored the fact that Irish deportation was often done by individual states, like Massachusetts, and not the federal government.
Do you happen to be of Irish, Italian, Grecian, or Polish descent? Were your ancestors poor when they arrived? If so, many in the 19th century felt your ancestors didn't have a right to be here. Scottish, French, and Spanish Catholics faced similar prejudice.
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cindosha
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Post by cindosha on Apr 15, 2025 15:27:38 GMT
It doesn't detract from the fact that they were still documented, every one of them that came over our borders. Not like the last 4 years. As an aside about the Irish....
While the 1920s saw a shift in immigration policy with the Immigration Act of 1924, it wasn't primarily focused on deporting existing Irish residents. Instead, the law aimed to limit future immigration, especially from Southern and Eastern Europe, by establishing national origin quotas. While some Irish immigrants, particularly those who were deemed "indigent" or "public charges," may have been deported due to existing state and federal deportation laws, the 1920s deportation of Irish residents was not as widespread as the act's impact on future immigration. Here's a more detailed explanation: 1. Immigration Act of 1924 and its Impact: The Immigration Act of 1924, also known as the Johnson-Reed Act, significantly restricted immigration by setting national origin quotas based on the 1890 census. The goal was to limit immigration from Southern and Eastern Europe, as well as to further restrict Asian immigration. This act didn't focus on deporting existing immigrants, but rather on limiting future immigration from specific regions. 2. Deportation of Irish in the 19th Century: Deportation of Irish immigrants, particularly those who were indigent or deemed a "public charge," had a precedent in the 19th century, especially in states like Massachusetts. State officials would check public records for people of different nationalities and remove them. This was sometimes done by sending people to other states, like New York, or to Canada. 3. Irish Nativism and Anti-Immigrant Sentiment: Nativist groups and some Americans had negative perceptions of Irish immigrants, often associating them with poverty, crime, and Catholicism. These perceptions contributed to the 19th-century deportation of Irish immigrants deemed a burden on society. 4. Irish Immigration in the 1920s: While the 1920s saw a significant wave of Irish immigrants, they were largely from the period after the Great Famine and before the restrictive immigration laws. The number of Irish immigrants arriving in the 1920s decreased significantly after the national quotas were implemented.
In conclusion, the deportation of Irish immigrants in the 1920s was not as widespread or focused as the restrictions imposed by the Immigration Act of 1924. While some Irish immigrants might have been deported for being a "public charge" or for other reasons, the primary impact of the 1920s was to limit future immigration from specific regions, rather than to deport existing residents. Nope. From the first article:
And as the article goes on to state, when Senator Blease proposed the bill that became the Immigration Act of 1929, it was for largely racist reasons and was implemented along racial lines.
And in the second article, you ignored the fact that Irish deportation was often done by individual states, like Massachusetts, and not the federal government.
Do you happen to be of Irish, Italian, Grecian, or Polish descent? If so, many in the 19th century felt your ancestors didn't have a right to be here. Scottish, French, and Spanish Catholics faced similar prejudice.
I quoted YOUR article. And that article stated that they were often sent to other states or canada. I am of Irish descent and my grandmother came here from Ireland in 1900, on the boat and became a legal citizen.
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