pinklady
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Post by pinklady on Apr 19, 2025 16:44:13 GMT
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Post by hopemax on Apr 19, 2025 17:15:14 GMT
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Post by busy on Apr 19, 2025 18:04:00 GMT
Also, if you use a password manager (which you really really should!!), see if it has a travel mode and learn how to use it. My app of choice, 1Password, does and can offer protection when going through international security. 1password.com/features/travel-mode/ |
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scrappinmama
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Post by scrappinmama on Apr 19, 2025 18:47:18 GMT
We have an international trip booked (booked it before we even knew who was going to be president). I appreciate sharing. As a Latino family, I am scared right now. We are all born here in the U.S., but as we have already seen, that doesn't always matter. I'm taking this all very seriously, and will definitely be taking precautions if we decide to go on this trip.
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Post by annaintx on Apr 19, 2025 19:04:36 GMT
We have an international trip booked (booked it before we even knew who was going to be president). I appreciate sharing. As a Latino family, I am scared right now. We are all born here in the U.S., but as we have already seen, that doesn't always matter. I'm taking this all very seriously, and will definitely be taking precautions if we decide to go on this trip. I assume you have passports which will help. Maybe think about getting the long form birth certificates for your family members, also? I've been meaning to get ours. We do have passports, but we are lily white and innocuous last names so I don't think we'd be targeted. I am so sorry you are dealing with this. A friend of mine, her husband was born here, he is military, last name is a common Mexican surname, and he has started carrying his passport. It's so scary and I cannot believe that this is our reality right now. |
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scrappinmama
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Post by scrappinmama on Apr 19, 2025 21:05:57 GMT
We have an international trip booked (booked it before we even knew who was going to be president). I appreciate sharing. As a Latino family, I am scared right now. We are all born here in the U.S., but as we have already seen, that doesn't always matter. I'm taking this all very seriously, and will definitely be taking precautions if we decide to go on this trip. I assume you have passports which will help. Maybe think about getting the long form birth certificates for your family members, also? I've been meaning to get ours. We do have passports, but we are lily white and innocuous last names so I don't think we'd be targeted. I am so sorry you are dealing with this. A friend of mine, her husband was born here, he is military, last name is a common Mexican surname, and he has started carrying his passport. It's so scary and I cannot believe that this is our reality right now. Yes we have passports and Global Entry. Great idea about the additional birth certificate. I'm tossing around the idea of getting passport cards as well because they would be easier to carry around than the traditional passport books. DH travels a lot for work, so he is in and out of airports all the time. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 19, 2025 22:16:00 GMT
I’m curious if people are getting stopped even going from one state to another? The US citizen who was detained the other day sounded like he was stopped going into Florida. In the comments someone said their sister went through several states driving last week and was stopped at each state border. But who knows if that is true. At least the way the highways and borders work here, there aren’t any tolls or other checkpoints to go through that would make it easy to stop people?
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Post by katlady on Apr 19, 2025 22:36:38 GMT
I’m curious if people are getting stopped even going from one state to another? The US citizen who was detained the other day sounded like he was stopped going into Florida. The car was originally stopped for speeding. As for being stopped at each border, I don't know about that. I know that there can be border check points within 100 miles of a border. There are three of those when you leave the San Diego County lines, although it is questionable if a couple of them are still being operated. We flew into El Paso once, and then drove up to New Mexico. There was a border check point outside of El Paso before we climbed up into the hills of New Mexico. |
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Post by lucyg on Apr 19, 2025 22:54:42 GMT
I’m curious if people are getting stopped even going from one state to another? The US citizen who was detained the other day sounded like he was stopped going into Florida. The car was originally stopped for speeding. As for being stopped at each border, I don't know about that. I know that there can be border check points within 100 miles of a border. There are three of those when you leave the San Diego County lines, although it is questionable if a couple of them are still being operated. We flew into El Paso once, and then drove up to New Mexico. There was a border check point outside of El Paso before we climbed up into the hills of New Mexico. There are also border checkpoints coming into California on the main highways. We have strict rules about bringing in out-of-state produce, so that’s what they're checking for. But they could become immigrant checkpoints too, I guess … if California were ever to cooperate with the feds on this. Which I doubt and sincerely hope not. The Florida thing was a state trooper, not the feds, because Florida has a new law allowing them to pick up those they deem to be illegal immigrants. Although that new law has already been placed on hold by a federal (I think) court, but the trooper was super excited, I guess, and jumped the gun. |
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Post by bc2ca on Apr 20, 2025 0:52:46 GMT
As for being stopped at each border, I don't know about that. I know that there can be border check points within 100 miles of a border. There are three of those when you leave the San Diego County lines, although it is questionable if a couple of them are still being operated. We flew into El Paso once, and then drove up to New Mexico. There was a border check point outside of El Paso before we climbed up into the hills of New Mexico. The stop on the 8 is on the westbound side, coming into San Diego, just before Pine Valley. For a few years I drove to Imperial Valley every month and it was closed for a while under renovation. When done, every time I drove through we were slowed down. Sometimes waved through, sometimes stopped and questioned while the dogs circled the vehicle. I started carrying my green card with me for those trips. I was also surprised to get stopped on the road between El Centro and Coachella. It felt like we were in the middle of nowhere. I haven't been slowed down on the 5 in years, but will never forget driving DD and a couple friends up to San Clemente for their prom ten years ago. Two border patrol vehicles were behind me and maneuvered into a position where each straddled 2 lanes, slowing down so all traffic behind them slowed to a crawl. It was very weird to keep going at speed and approach the station where everyone was waiting for the last cars to get through so they could move across the lanes and man the booths. Half the class was caught behind us and late for dinner. There are also border checkpoints coming into California on the main highways. We have strict rules about bringing in out-of-state produce, so that’s what they're checking for. But they could become immigrant checkpoints too, I guess … if California were ever to cooperate with the feds on this. Which I doubt and sincerely hope not. I know the one in Blythe (CA/AZ border) falls within the 100 mile zone so CBP could set up there. I doubt the state would share facilities but they could easily stagger and set up a second stop. The ACLU has a map showing the 100 mile zone where CPB can stop vehicles, board busses and trains and question everyone. Just at a quick glance, it looks like the CA/OR agriculture stop is also within their control area. |
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Post by voltagain on Apr 20, 2025 3:43:31 GMT
As noted they can take your electronic device. Just know if you do not give permission to search and they take your device they WILL be using an external device on it to download the contents of your phone. eta, just the fact you wouldn't agree to a manual search is going to be taken as suspicion. If you are really concerned get a phone cheap enough you can consider it disposable, and use it for NOTHING on social media, news outlets, etc. Keep the google searches related to your trip (recs for hotel, food, venue hours, currency conversions of traveling out of the US) In other words don't use your phone as a computer. Use it as a phone/text tool and maybe one or two games as time wasters. Keep your political leanings off of it. So don't be reading/responding on 2peas either.
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Post by Skellinton on Apr 20, 2025 13:06:05 GMT
This is chilling. Rhetorical question, when is enough going to be enough for the Republicans to stand up and rein him in?
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Post by annaintx on Apr 20, 2025 13:59:40 GMT
This is chilling. Rhetorical question, when is enough going to be enough for the Republicans to stand up and rein him in? Only when it directly affects them and even then, probably not. |
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Post by lindas on Apr 20, 2025 14:08:08 GMT
This is chilling. Rhetorical question, when is enough going to be enough for the Republicans to stand up and rein him in? A simple google search would have shown you that CBP has been doing this since at least 2008 link. Who was your president back then? |
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scrappinmama
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Post by scrappinmama on Apr 20, 2025 18:48:21 GMT
This is chilling. Rhetorical question, when is enough going to be enough for the Republicans to stand up and rein him in? A simple google search would have shown you that CBP has been doing this since at least 2008 link. Who was your president back then? Yes it has been going on since then, but never under a president as petty and vindictive as the one in office now. That is the concern. I mean, check my phone because I have nothing to hide. But if an anti-Trump meme that isn't threatening violence gets someone detained, that's plain wrong in a country that has the 1st amendment. And we have already seen that he is attempting to remove people from the country for being outspoken. That, combined with the racial profiling is what is such a big concern now. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 20, 2025 22:54:11 GMT
How many people, in the last few days, suggested a burner phone when traveling? Sounds best to me.
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Post by katlady on Apr 20, 2025 23:23:40 GMT
How many people, in the last few days, suggested a burner phone when traveling? Sounds best to me. Just wondering if that would cause someone to look more “suspicious”? |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 20, 2025 23:25:35 GMT
How many people, in the last few days, suggested a burner phone when traveling? Sounds best to me. Just wondering if that would cause someone to look more “suspicious”? Maybe, but who would want to lose a $1500 phone? Or far more after FF's tariffs. Good reason for me...... |
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Post by voltagain on Apr 21, 2025 0:13:00 GMT
How many people, in the last few days, suggested a burner phone when traveling? Sounds best to me. Just wondering if that would cause someone to look more “suspicious”? Potentially. So, if you are going to do this you want to buy it early enough to use it for much of your regular calling/texting to family, and friends. Enter most of your contact list. Leave off any politically related numbers. Really consider aps like Venmo and who you venmo money to. I personally don't like having financial info on my phone. Just don't use it as a desktop/laptop computer. I've had my phone since 2020. I do not use it for social media at all. The websurfing is minimal... Once had a power outage and used it to find the phone number for the electric company so I could report an outage. I look up that sort of thing. Oh, and I ate out the other night so looked up the carb count of my meal (diabetic) NEVER to look up news, social media of any sort, movies, etc. Normalize using it just to phone. eta: Not permitting a phone search IS going to make you look guilty and you will lose your phone for several weeks while they get around to properly search it... then they could find something to charge you with. If they take a cheaper burner phone because it looks suspicious you aren't losing your real phone AND they won't find anything to charge you with. |
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Post by katlady on Apr 21, 2025 0:23:35 GMT
Just wondering if that would cause someone to look more “suspicious”? Potentially. So, if you are going to do this you want to buy it early enough to use it for much of your regular calling/texting to family, and friends. Enter most of your contact list. Leave off any politically related numbers. Really consider aps like Venmo and who you venmo money to. I personally don't like having financial info on my phone. Just don't use it as a desktop/laptop computer. I've had my phone since 2020. I do not use it for social media at all. The websurfing is minimal... Once had a power outage and used it to find the phone number for the electric company so I could report an outage. I look up that sort of thing. Oh, and I ate out the other night so looked up the carb count of my meal (diabetic) NEVER to look up news, social media of any sort, movies, etc. Normalize using it just to phone. eta: Not permitting a phone search IS going to make you look guilty and you will lose your phone for several weeks while they get around to properly search it... then they could find something to charge you with. If they take a cheaper burner phone because it looks suspicious you aren't losing your real phone AND they won't find anything to charge you with. I guess there could also be issues if you take an ipad on a trip with you. I know many people do take ipads with them for entertainment (movies, books), especially on long flights. Many short flights now don't have in-seat screens and instead you can watch free movies on your ipad or phone. |
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Post by busy on Apr 21, 2025 0:54:55 GMT
Just don't use it as a desktop/laptop computer. I've had my phone since 2020. I do not use it for social media at all. The websurfing is minimal... Once had a power outage and used it to find the phone number for the electric company so I could report an outage. I look up that sort of thing. Oh, and I ate out the other night so looked up the carb count of my meal (diabetic) NEVER to look up news, social media of any sort, movies, etc. Normalize using it just to phone. To me, that's an absolute waste of a smartphone. If it works for you, great, but hell no could I use a phone that way all the time and I'm certain I'm not alone in that. |
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Post by voltagain on Apr 21, 2025 0:57:12 GMT
Potentially. So, if you are going to do this you want to buy it early enough to use it for much of your regular calling/texting to family, and friends. Enter most of your contact list. Leave off any politically related numbers. Really consider aps like Venmo and who you venmo money to. I personally don't like having financial info on my phone. Just don't use it as a desktop/laptop computer. I've had my phone since 2020. I do not use it for social media at all. The websurfing is minimal... Once had a power outage and used it to find the phone number for the electric company so I could report an outage. I look up that sort of thing. Oh, and I ate out the other night so looked up the carb count of my meal (diabetic) NEVER to look up news, social media of any sort, movies, etc. Normalize using it just to phone. eta: Not permitting a phone search IS going to make you look guilty and you will lose your phone for several weeks while they get around to properly search it... then they could find something to charge you with. If they take a cheaper burner phone because it looks suspicious you aren't losing your real phone AND they won't find anything to charge you with. I guess there could also be issues if you take an ipad on a trip with you. I know many people do take ipads with them for entertainment (movies, books), especially on long flights. Many short flights now don't have in-seat screens and instead you can watch free movies on your ipad or phone. It is an issue with ALL electronics. If you can't afford to lose it or if you are concerned it will implicate you an any way don't take it on a trip that is going to take you through check points. Take a book for entertainment. Live like it is 1970. Personally, I see our citizenship has a mentality of being in 1970s in many ways but not paying attention to the reality of 2020s |
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Post by peppermintpatty on Apr 22, 2025 11:58:28 GMT
Just wondering if that would cause someone to look more “suspicious”? Maybe, but who would want to lose a $1500 phone? Or far more after FF's tariffs. Good reason for me...... This is why you should keep old phones. I have 3 older ones that I was going to sell but I'm keeping them. They have been wiped and I will just wait until I need them. Also, I won't necessarily put a sim card in them. Just use them on wifi. I would get a wifi hotspot and use them that way. If they want to keep my phone I will gladly tell them "have at it" it isn't mine. As more and more people do this, they will realize that it is just a time suck and stop doing it.
You should also have your phone on airplane mode! |
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Post by cindosha on Apr 22, 2025 12:52:31 GMT
I’m curious if people are getting stopped even going from one state to another? The US citizen who was detained the other day sounded like he was stopped going into Florida. In the comments someone said their sister went through several states driving last week and was stopped at each state border. But who knows if that is true. At least the way the highways and borders work here, there aren’t any tolls or other checkpoints to go through that would make it easy to stop people? There are no border checkpoints between states. In the comments someone said their sister went through several states driving last week and was stopped at each state border.Common sense tells intelligent people that this is absolutely not true and it sounds unhinged. |
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Post by busy on Apr 22, 2025 12:57:59 GMT
There are no border checkpoints between states. There are agricultural checkpoints between some states, especially going into California. People who aren't paying close attention are likely to perceive those as border checkpoints (which they technically are, but not in the context being discussed here). |
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Post by cindosha on Apr 22, 2025 13:59:50 GMT
There are no border checkpoints between states. There are agricultural checkpoints between some states, especially going into California. People who aren't paying close attention are likely to perceive those as border checkpoints (which they technically are, but not in the context being discussed here). I am going to assume that is a truck/haulage checkpoint if its agricultural. There are no checkpoints if a tourist wants to cross a border from one state into cali. |
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Post by busy on Apr 22, 2025 14:03:25 GMT
There are agricultural checkpoints between some states, especially going into California. People who aren't paying close attention are likely to perceive those as border checkpoints (which they technically are, but not in the context being discussed here). I am going to assume that is a truck/haulage checkpoint if its agricultural. There are no checkpoints if a tourist wants to cross a border from one state into cali. You’re incorrect. Passenger vehicles are also subject to inspection at Border Protection Stations. I’ve stopped at them many times driving from Oregon into California. “ Watercraft, self-movers, recreational vehicles and utility vehicles comprise about five percent of the vehicles that pass through the stations yearly. Commercial vehicles cover over 25 percent of the traffic. The remaining 70% are classified as passenger private vehicles that are required to be screened for routes of travel determining pest risk and level of inspection.” www.cdfa.ca.gov/plant/pe/ExteriorExclusion/borders.html |
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Post by cindosha on Apr 22, 2025 14:35:13 GMT
I am going to assume that is a truck/haulage checkpoint if its agricultural. There are no checkpoints if a tourist wants to cross a border from one state into cali. You’re incorrect. Passenger vehicles are also subject to inspection at Border Protection Stations. I’ve stopped at them many times driving from Oregon into California. “ Watercraft, self-movers, recreational vehicles and utility vehicles comprise about five percent of the vehicles that pass through the stations yearly. Commercial vehicles cover over 25 percent of the traffic. The remaining 70% are classified as passenger private vehicles that are required to be screened for routes of travel determining pest risk and level of inspection.” www.cdfa.ca.gov/plant/pe/ExteriorExclusion/borders.htmlSo are you saying that every single road going from oregon to cali has a checkpoint? I'm guessing not. I'm pretty sure that driving from Ohio to Georgia has zero checkpoints between states. |
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Post by busy on Apr 22, 2025 14:44:24 GMT
You’re incorrect. Passenger vehicles are also subject to inspection at Border Protection Stations. I’ve stopped at them many times driving from Oregon into California. “ Watercraft, self-movers, recreational vehicles and utility vehicles comprise about five percent of the vehicles that pass through the stations yearly. Commercial vehicles cover over 25 percent of the traffic. The remaining 70% are classified as passenger private vehicles that are required to be screened for routes of travel determining pest risk and level of inspection.” www.cdfa.ca.gov/plant/pe/ExteriorExclusion/borders.htmlSo are you saying that every single road going from oregon to cali has a checkpoint? I'm guessing not. I'm pretty sure that driving from Ohio to Georgia has zero checkpoints between states. For the love of god, try reading the information provided instead of putting words in people’s mouths and making baseless assumptions. |
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Post by katlady on Apr 22, 2025 14:51:00 GMT
There is an agricultural checkpoint on the I-15 between Nevada and California. All vehicles are stopped. Usually they just ask you a couple of questions and you go on. Sometimes if you have California plates, they just wave you on. And don’t get behind an RV because they will inspect those more carefully. The wait to get through on a busy Las Vegas weekend can be about 15 minutes.
California has about 15 of these checkpoints along the major highways entering California from Arizona, Oregon, and Nevada.
ETA - And the reason the I-15 doesn’t stop a lot of California plates is they assume those cars are coming back from a Vegas trip, so they would be carrying a minimal amount of food.
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