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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 14, 2025 19:52:48 GMT
I also wish that we could change the primary process so that people in every state got to choose from all of the options, not just the ones left after the first few states vote. I think it would be interesting to see who people would vote for if they truly voted for who they wanted, not having to worry about who "could win." Ranked choice voting would be great. It should all be done on the same day. I don't understand this part of our process at all. Why do we do it all willy nilly? Exactly. The way it is now, only a few states really get to decide. By the time my state (which is the same day lots of states vote) votes, there are usually only a few choices where the first few states get several.
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Post by Merge on May 14, 2025 20:15:22 GMT
I also wish that we could change the primary process so that people in every state got to choose from all of the options, not just the ones left after the first few states vote. I think it would be interesting to see who people would vote for if they truly voted for who they wanted, not having to worry about who "could win." Ranked choice voting would be great. True. It doesn't help when our two leadoff primary/caucus states are overwhelmingly white.
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Post by Zee on May 14, 2025 20:34:30 GMT
I also wish that we could change the primary process so that people in every state got to choose from all of the options, not just the ones left after the first few states vote. I think it would be interesting to see who people would vote for if they truly voted for who they wanted, not having to worry about who "could win." Ranked choice voting would be great. True. It doesn't help when our two leadoff primary/caucus states are overwhelmingly white. Perhaps, but Democrats tend to be Democrats wherever they're from and that doesn't generally equal racism. Iowa used to be quite liberal for a while, mainly because of that Midwestern "you do you as long as it doesn't affect me" (example, one of the first states to OK same sex marriage, always had available abortion) mentality we used to have before Fox News took over the brains of older people.
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Post by sabrinae on May 14, 2025 20:51:30 GMT
I think Andy Beshear is likely to be the “safe” choice. I think he’s probably a good choice. He’s won three state wide elections in Kentucky as a democrat. He’s got political capital and connections between his own career and his dad’s career. The likelihood of something crazy coming out is low. See three statewide elections in Kentucky. He doesn’t have the nationwide recognition on a popular level as some of the other candidates but that may actually work to his advantage. He knows how to talk to people without it sounding condescending or like he’s talking down to them.
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Post by littlemama on May 14, 2025 21:01:33 GMT
Can someone explain how Buttigieg will be too young at 46 when Obama was elected at age 47?
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Post by aj2hall on May 14, 2025 21:27:12 GMT
I also wish that we could change the primary process so that people in every state got to choose from all of the options, not just the ones left after the first few states vote. I think it would be interesting to see who people would vote for if they truly voted for who they wanted, not having to worry about who "could win." Ranked choice voting would be great. True. It doesn't help when our two leadoff primary/caucus states are overwhelmingly white. As someone from one of those overwhelmingly white states, I agree. NH is 97% white. While I enjoy the privilege of voting in the first primary, it's not fair to other states. And we are not representative of the country as a whole. Candidates used to spend a lot of time here talking to people in diners, small groups etc but it doesn't really work that way anymore. While we're talking about voting and wishful thinking, I really would like to speed up the process and not drag it out over 2 years.
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Post by Merge on May 14, 2025 21:39:02 GMT
True. It doesn't help when our two leadoff primary/caucus states are overwhelmingly white. Perhaps, but Democrats tend to be Democrats wherever they're from and that doesn't generally equal racism. Iowa used to be quite liberal for a while, mainly because of that Midwestern "you do you as long as it doesn't affect me" (example, one of the first states to OK same sex marriage, always had available abortion) mentality we used to have before Fox News took over the brains of older people. Not overt racism, but the unconscious tendency most people have to prefer people who look like them. It's one of the reasons DEI policies are so important - even with good intentions, people tend to hire people they feel comfortable with, and race plays a big part in that.
If you rarely see people outside your own race or ethnic group, it's difficult to feel comfortable with them.
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Post by busy on May 14, 2025 21:58:17 GMT
Can someone explain how Buttigieg will be too young at 46 when Obama was elected at age 47? I think people just say that to avoid saying they think him being gay will affect his electability. I personally think that’s just reality when you look at what’s going on in this country with trans rights, gay marriage, etc. MAGA has convinced a lot of people that not being straight and cis is scary.
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Post by Zee on May 14, 2025 22:01:51 GMT
Perhaps, but Democrats tend to be Democrats wherever they're from and that doesn't generally equal racism. Iowa used to be quite liberal for a while, mainly because of that Midwestern "you do you as long as it doesn't affect me" (example, one of the first states to OK same sex marriage, always had available abortion) mentality we used to have before Fox News took over the brains of older people. Not overt racism, but the unconscious tendency most people have to prefer people who look like them. It's one of the reasons DEI policies are so important - even with good intentions, people tend to hire people they feel comfortable with, and race plays a big part in that.
If you rarely see people outside your own race or ethnic group, it's difficult to feel comfortable with them. Well where would you propose we start as far as states where white people aren't a majority?
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Post by Merge on May 14, 2025 22:02:00 GMT
Can someone explain how Buttigieg will be too young at 46 when Obama was elected at age 47? I think people just say that to avoid saying they think him being gay will affect his electability. I personally think that’s just reality when you look at what’s going on in this country with trans rights, gay marriage, etc. MAGA has convinced a lot of people that not being straight and cis is scary. I actually thought he was younger than that. He has such a baby face.
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Post by Skellinton on May 14, 2025 22:06:29 GMT
Can someone explain how Buttigieg will be too young at 46 when Obama was elected at age 47? He appears to be much younger. If I just saw a picture of him, no way would I think he was 43. I love him and want him to win, I think he would be excellent. But the simple fact is that if the US is to backward to elect a woman no way will they elect a gay man.
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Post by littlemama on May 14, 2025 22:17:27 GMT
Can someone explain how Buttigieg will be too young at 46 when Obama was elected at age 47? He appears to be much younger. If I just saw a picture of him, no way would I think he was 43. I love him and want him to win, I think he would be excellent. But the simple fact is that if the US is to backward to elect a woman no way will they elect a gay man. Yes, they will elect virtually ANY man over a woman. Note the 2 times trump won- people voted for him because they couldnt stand the idea of an intelligent competent woman in offoce
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Post by mich5481 on May 14, 2025 22:37:04 GMT
It should all be done on the same day. I don't understand this part of our process at all. Why do we do it all willy nilly? Exactly. The way it is now, only a few states really get to decide. By the time my state (which is the same day lots of states vote) votes, there are usually only a few choices where the first few states get several. I agree the states that go first in the primary are problematic, but there are a lot of considerations before we go to a national primary. The candidates who would win are the ones with money and name recognition, not the best for the party/country. Would Obama have won a national primary his first go round? Probably not. Spaced out primaries also let us see how candidates perform on the trail.
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Post by scrappinmama on May 14, 2025 22:57:06 GMT
The last election was proof that this country hates women. Even though he only had a slight majority of votes, a hell of a lot of people chose not to vote at all. So while I would absolutely love for a woman to be president, I don't know if or when that would ever happen. We have to put an end to Trumpism and take over majority. The only way that will happen is if the Democratic Presidental candidate is a "safe", straight white man. Not Gavin. That wouldn't be a good choice. Red states hate California. I agree that Andy Beshear would probably have the best chance. Or maybe Josh Shapiro.
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Post by Merge on May 15, 2025 0:20:52 GMT
He appears to be much younger. If I just saw a picture of him, no way would I think he was 43. I love him and want him to win, I think he would be excellent. But the simple fact is that if the US is to backward to elect a woman no way will they elect a gay man. Yes, they will elect virtually ANY man over a woman. Note the 2 times trump won- people voted for him because they couldnt stand the idea of an intelligent competent woman in offoce As with race, it's often not that overt. As a society we are conditioned to see a strong woman who speaks her mind as "bossy" and "shrill," where a man with the same qualities is seen as an assertive leader. Even if we're not consciously applying those labels, it means that we see a woman in leadership less favorably than a man with the same qualities. That comes across as "I just don't like her" or "I don't think she's qualified" despite mountains of evidence to the contrary.
And by "we," I mean the older people among us. The 50 and up crowd. The younger generation, I think, is more comfortable with women who don't fit the quiet and demure mold.
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