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Post by Merge on Aug 12, 2025 17:45:53 GMT
He also said on camera that he walked in on pageant participants changing. I actually remember when he said that. He actually BRAGGED about walking into the dressing room of the Miss TEEN USA pageant. He laughed as he said it. Very much similar to his well-known claims that "when you're a star, they let you do anything." |
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Post by cindosha on Aug 12, 2025 17:46:07 GMT
What makes you think it was because of " all the death threats she received from Trump supporters"?Because her testimony is very much in line with what others have said happened on Epstein's properties, and because we all know what happens to women in this country who accuse powerful men. Your turn to answer the questions. “Jane Doe” aka “Katie Johnson” – 1994. Lawsuit filed June 2016, refiled October 2016 as reported by Buzzfeed and others, then dropped in November 2016. Jane Doe is an unnamed plaintiff, who has also gone by “Katie Johnson” in legal papers. She claims she was repeatedly raped by Trump and Jeffery Epstein at Epstein’s New York City apartment in 1994, when she was 13 years old. A witness, also given a pseudonym — “Tiffany Doe” — said she recruited “Jane Doe” and others. Doe, using the name “Johnson,” gave an interview to the Daily Mail in which she said she did not know who Trump was at the time of the alleged attack but identified him later when she saw him on television. It is not known why she withdrew the lawsuit. She has not spoken publicly or withdrawn her rape allegation since then. |
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Post by Merge on Aug 12, 2025 17:46:36 GMT
Because speculation and whataboutism are not the same thing. It's all interpretation. No. Two different things with two different meanings. You may not agree with the speculation, but that doesn't make it whataboutism. |
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Post by cindosha on Aug 12, 2025 17:49:27 GMT
No. Two different things with two different meanings. You may not agree with the speculation, but that doesn't make it whataboutism. I don't agree with you about that. |
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Post by Merge on Aug 12, 2025 17:49:29 GMT
Because her testimony is very much in line with what others have said happened on Epstein's properties, and because we all know what happens to women in this country who accuse powerful men. Your turn to answer the questions. “Jane Doe” aka “Katie Johnson” – 1994. Lawsuit filed June 2016, refiled October 2016 as reported by Buzzfeed and others, then dropped in November 2016. Jane Doe is an unnamed plaintiff, who has also gone by “Katie Johnson” in legal papers. She claims she was repeatedly raped by Trump and Jeffery Epstein at Epstein’s New York City apartment in 1994, when she was 13 years old. A witness, also given a pseudonym — “Tiffany Doe” — said she recruited “Jane Doe” and others. Doe, using the name “Johnson,” gave an interview to the Daily Mail in which she said she did not know who Trump was at the time of the alleged attack but identified him later when she saw him on television. It is not known why she withdrew the lawsuit. She has not spoken publicly or withdrawn her rape allegation since then. I don't know what source you got that from, but her attorney was the one who said she received threats. www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-katie-johnson-allegations-sexual-assault-case-dismissed-1921051 |
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Post by Merge on Aug 12, 2025 17:49:51 GMT
No. Two different things with two different meanings. You may not agree with the speculation, but that doesn't make it whataboutism. I don't agree with you about that. Yes, you do seem to be impervious to facts. |
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Post by cindosha on Aug 12, 2025 17:50:47 GMT
“Jane Doe” aka “Katie Johnson” – 1994. Lawsuit filed June 2016, refiled October 2016 as reported by Buzzfeed and others, then dropped in November 2016. Jane Doe is an unnamed plaintiff, who has also gone by “Katie Johnson” in legal papers. She claims she was repeatedly raped by Trump and Jeffery Epstein at Epstein’s New York City apartment in 1994, when she was 13 years old. A witness, also given a pseudonym — “Tiffany Doe” — said she recruited “Jane Doe” and others. Doe, using the name “Johnson,” gave an interview to the Daily Mail in which she said she did not know who Trump was at the time of the alleged attack but identified him later when she saw him on television. It is not known why she withdrew the lawsuit. She has not spoken publicly or withdrawn her rape allegation since then. I don't know what source you got that from, but her attorney was the one who said she received threats. www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-katie-johnson-allegations-sexual-assault-case-dismissed-1921051 |
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Post by cindosha on Aug 12, 2025 17:51:11 GMT
I don't agree with you about that. Yes, you do seem to be impervious to facts. Speculation and interpretation are not facts. |
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Post by Merge on Aug 12, 2025 17:51:50 GMT
LOL. It's hilarious that you can look at that long list of accusations against Trump and think they're all made up. |
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Post by Merge on Aug 12, 2025 17:52:12 GMT
Yes, you do seem to be impervious to facts. Speculation and interpretation are not facts. Definitions are facts. Words have definitions. |
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Post by cindosha on Aug 12, 2025 17:56:08 GMT
LOL. It's hilarious that you can look at that long list of accusations against Trump and think they're all made up. Its hilarious that you can look at that list and think that they are all legit. I think that in 30 years or 20 years or 9 years, there would have been some kind of proof. |
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Post by cindosha on Aug 12, 2025 17:56:55 GMT
Speculation and interpretation are not facts. Definitions are facts. Words have definitions. Nice try, LOL |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 12, 2025 17:58:53 GMT
LOL. It's hilarious that you can look at that long list of accusations against Trump and think they're all made up. Exactly. Given the things he has said over the years—on video (who knows what he did that he didn’t say to a reporter) and the allegations, it’s not a one off. It’s a pattern. He is a repeat perpetrator and an abuser. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Aug 12, 2025 18:02:00 GMT
LOL. It's hilarious that you can look at that long list of accusations against Trump and think they're all made up. This is why we are debating whatsboutism. Because she can't. But we don't want to talk about that. I'm going to go work with some numbers instead of talking with people who operate in alternative facts. With numbers a 3 is always a 3. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 12, 2025 18:04:35 GMT
Because the topic of this thread is about Herr Trump sending agents and the NG to DC to “clean it up.” It is not out of line to suggest that theft prevention might be in their wheelhouse. Whataboutism is changing the subject to deflect. Deflecting a question, for example. Or deflection can be used against criticism. Parents of teenagers will be very familiar with this type of whataboutism. She brought up her daughters shoplifting in her city which wasn't Washington DC, not me. Do you willfully misunderstand? She was talking about shoplifters, and the different reactions to shoplifting, depending upon the city. The implication is that in DC, it is not out of line to think that reactions of NG or agents might be harsh for a nonviolent crime. That was the purpose of the sentence containing the NG reference. And no, I do not support shoplifting in any way, shape, or form. I also think that it is a nonviolent crime and should be treated as such. |
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Post by peano on Aug 12, 2025 18:08:32 GMT
LOL. It's hilarious that you can look at that long list of accusations against Trump and think they're all made up. This is why we are debating whatsboutism. Because she can't. But we don't want to talk about that. I'm going to go work with some numbers instead of talking with people who operate in alternative facts. With numbers a 3 is always a 3. Hahaha! Totally not a numbers person myself, but she even makes ME want the comfort of objective reality. |
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Post by Skellinton on Aug 12, 2025 18:10:41 GMT
The details are widely available online from different outlets. Google "Katie Johnson lawsuit" if you care. I'm surprised you weren't already aware of it. She ended up dropping the suit because of all the death threats she received from Trump supporters. She ended up dropping the alleged suit because it was untrue. You were there? You saw with your own eyes? How can you even say it was untrue? You have no idea. |
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Post by cindosha on Aug 12, 2025 18:11:56 GMT
Because the topic of this thread is about Herr Trump sending agents and the NG to DC to “clean it up"She brought up her daughters shoplifting in her city which wasn't Washington DC, not me. Do you willfully misunderstand? She was talking about shoplifters, and the different reactions to shoplifting, depending upon the city. The implication is that in DC, it is not out of line to think that reactions of NG or agents might be harsh for a nonviolent crime. That was the purpose of the sentence containing the NG reference. And no, I do not support shoplifting in any way, shape, or form. I also think that it is a nonviolent crime and should be treated as such.
Trump was talking about the NG for carjackings, rape, robbery, murders, burglary, and violent crime. That is what he is focusing on. |
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Post by cindosha on Aug 12, 2025 18:14:33 GMT
She ended up dropping the alleged suit because it was untrue. You were there? You saw with your own eyes? How can you even say it was untrue? You have no idea. Were you there? How can you even say it was true, you have no idea. See how that works? |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 12, 2025 18:29:07 GMT
If you look up “which cities have the most crime” you will see a lot of cities that I don’t consider to be “blue” and are not in “blue states.” None of this is about actual crime though. I do think it is, to a degree. Word is that he was triggered by Big Balls being beat up and by seeing homelessness/squalor/whatever he saw on his way to the golf course. He has said that he wants things to look clean and nice in the capital city. I get that. However, I also think this is a big power grab and his approach is all wrong. On The Daily podcast this morning the reporter said that Trump seems to have the mindset of a mayor as opposed to the President, and that makes some sense to me (although I think dictator mayor is more like it). I also think that he cares more about not seeing those things rather than making changes that will lead to better lives for people. A few weeks ago when El Salvador's government voted to allow Bukele to run again (scrapping their term limits), I saw some posts from El Salvadorans saying that he has stopped crime, saved the country, etc. But at what cost? It reminds me of Trump supporters on this thread and is scary. ETA that of course, Trump has ignored and encouraged a lot of corruption and white collar crime throughout his life, and particularly in the last 6 months. Curious why his supporters don't care about that. ![]() |
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Post by sassyangel on Aug 12, 2025 18:37:02 GMT
jeremysgirl, you wanted to talk about policies. How do you feel about policies coming from your party where they don't lock up the thieves, so stores are forced to lock up the products or go out of business? I happened to be in a Dollar General in a town in Ohio week before last with a population of 3000. Ohio, small town, red state, Dollar General. I watched a person put produce in their purse and walk right out the door with it. Everyone saw. Was I supposed to make a citizen's arrest? My own daughter shoplifted twice as a teenager (in my blue city) and got caught. She spent some time in jail and then I had to bail her out for her to pay a bunch of fines and participate in a restitution program. Teenager. Minor. So, my experiences with shoplifting indicate it's not a red/blue, urban/rural issue. And my experiences with it are that there are appropriate punishments and stores do work to prevent it. I do not think my daughter needed to be thrown down at gunpoint and handcuffed by the National Guard. YMMV No, she should not. Our justice system is theoretically founded on not just potential incarceration for life as punishment for horrific crimes, but also allowing for the fact that people are just human and make mistakes. So it has allowances for appropriate and just punishments that focus on rehabilitation of people through accountability and restitution, not the criminal institutionalization (which mostly just serves to increase the likelihood of the outcome it is supposed to address - recidivism) of minors, especially. |
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Post by sassyangel on Aug 12, 2025 18:47:05 GMT
I know all I need to know about anyone using more energy worrying about immigrants that came into our country ILLEGALLY, then the crime that is happening in this country and affecting all Americans. And I believe the conditions these illegals are living in inside these detention centers are far better than the conditions they came from. I believe they are being treated humanely while they are being detained. Maybe not 5 star hotels like our previous administration put them in, but they have cots to sleep on and are being fed until they are sent back where they came from. And remember, they broke OUR laws by coming here illegally, so they SHOULD be detained IN lock down, like Americans that are in prisons for breaking laws. Don’t want to be detained and deported? Don’t break our laws and come here illegally. If you ladies that are screaming about allowing these illegals to stay in our country were the victim of a crime by them or one of your family members were a victim, you’d feel differently. So yes, I’m definitely more concerned about all crime in this country being committed by illegals and by Americans against our fellow citizens than I am worried about illegals being detained and deported. And yes, not all illegals are criminals and some just want to come here for a better life. But they need to come through the proper channels and be vetted so we can be sure we’re not allowing more criminals and therefore more crime into our country. So do you actually know anyone here in the USA who has overstayed a visa or is here illegally? I had a thread on it a while ago as I wondered if most people were just talking from hearing or actually had first hand experience. As someone from a rural small farm state, I know some and know of many situations and everything that you described above is not accurate for me. They are hard workers doing jobs that my fellow neighbors and state residents can not hire for any other way and would not be able to continue take care of their animals, farms, and crops and to work their land that have been in their families for generations. Obviously the system is broken or we wouldn’t be in this situation and its needs to be changed without doubt. But we have been struggling with this for decades…go back and listen to songs, read books, articles, and reports from the 60s and 70s. Nothing has changed. So this Trump admin suddenly screaming rhetoric about open borders, criminals pouring over, etc, etc, etc is just that Rhetoric. Nothing but rhetoric. We can find a way to start to fix this without supposed “law enforcement” people who refuse to identify themselves or show their faces showing up at the Home Depot and randomly targeting people they assume are here illegally. And while you are more afraid of being victimized by an ‘illegal’, I can tell with out a shred of doubt that I (and so many people that I know in real life) am so much more afraid of and worry about the citizens of my own country victimizing me…and statistically I think I am more on par/correct with that outcome! I do actually know people (who have (deliberately) overstayed US visas. Not one of them was deported or expeditiously removed. All were allowed to plead their cases before immigration judges, and 100% of them are now legal permanent residents (with a path to citizenship). 100% of them are white and from countries where they are not even remotely in fear for their lives or livelihoods. They are the predominant class of *illegal* visa overstayers, actually. Not the desperate people seeking asylum, or other humanitarian, family reunion, employment grounds. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 12, 2025 18:48:38 GMT
Do you willfully misunderstand? She was talking about shoplifters, and the different reactions to shoplifting, depending upon the city. The implication is that in DC, it is not out of line to think that reactions of NG or agents might be harsh for a nonviolent crime. That was the purpose of the sentence containing the NG reference. And no, I do not support shoplifting in any way, shape, or form. I also think that it is a nonviolent crime and should be treated as such.
Trump was talking about the NG for carjackings, rape, robbery, murders, burglary, and violent crime. That is what he is focusing on. He says that. Maybe he’s telling the truth; maybe not. |
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Post by Merge on Aug 12, 2025 19:01:32 GMT
it is not out of line to think that reactions of NG or agents might be harsh for a nonviolent crime.
Trump was talking about the NG for carjackings, rape, robbery, murders, burglary, and violent crime. That is what he is focusing on. He says that. Maybe he’s telling the truth; maybe not. Kinda like he said incarceration and deportation efforts would focus on criminals. That has clearly not been the case at all. |
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Post by Zee on Aug 12, 2025 19:05:57 GMT
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Post by sassyangel on Aug 12, 2025 19:13:59 GMT
None of this is about actual crime though. I do think it, to a degree. Word is that he was triggered by Big Balls being beat up and by seeing homelessness/squalor/whatever he saw on his way to the golf course. He has said that he wants things to look clean and nice in the capital city. I get that. However, I also think this is a big power grab and his approach is all wrong. On The Daily podcast this morning the reporter said that Trump seems to have the mindset of a mayor as opposed to the President, and that makes some sense to me (although I think dictator mayor is more like it). I also think that he cares more about not seeing those things rather than making changes that will lead to better lives for people. A few weeks ago when El Salvador's government voted to allow Bukele to run again (scrapping their term limits), I saw some posts from El Salvadorans saying that he has stopped crime, saved the country, etc. But at what cost? It reminds me of Trump supporters on this thread and is scary. ![]() One of the staggering things to me is that the party of the red scare is embracing the kind of fascism it was supposedly fighting with those historical witch hunts and cold war policies. And the same people who believed that China, North Korea and the USSR were open philosophical threats to what made the United States great, are willing to vote for embracing all that, in the quest for a subjective and tenuous safety, from the people they are told to hold responsible for their all their fears. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 12, 2025 20:08:05 GMT
He's still a perv..... On Friday, President Donald Trump sat down for an interview with far-right, pro-Trump network Newsmax, and his answer to a question about White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt prompted fierce criticism on social media. Toward the end of the interview, Newsmax host Rob Finnerty asked Trump about Leavitt's performance during her daily press briefings, and Trump complimented her skills as his administration's chief spokesperson — as well as her looks. "She's become a star. It's that face, it's that brain, it's those lips, the way they move, they move like — she's a machine gun," Trump said, noticeably lingering on the word "lips."Trump's glowing comments about Leavitt prompted outrage and disgust on social media, with many commentators observing how unusual it was for a president to speak in such a way about his 27 year-old press secretary. Liberal group MeidasTouch observed: "This definitely sounds like something Jeffrey Epstein's best friend would say." X influencer "Wu Tang Is for the Children" sarcastically commented that Trump's remarks were "not creepy at all." Another X user made the point that "if any boss said something like this about an employee, they would be fired."
"This is the language of a dementia patient, also 34x felon & adjudicated sex abuser," tweeted former federal prosecutor Richard Signorelli. "Wonder why the Epstein story won't go away for him," quipped Democratic strategist Adam Parkhomenko. www.rawstory.com/trump-leavitt/ |
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Post by katlady on Aug 12, 2025 20:11:09 GMT
If Trump is focusing on crime, why isn’t he sending the NG to Memphis, St. Louis, Birmingham, or Little Rock?
He also wants to get rid of the “slums”. So, now he is going to kick people out of their homes? And then what, bulldoze the area and have his wealthy real estate friends build luxury condos and houses? Displacing people, especially those with little money, will not solve the homelessness and crime issues. It will just make it worse.
And then, using the FBI as policemen. He wants them to patrol the streets at night. lol!! That is not what they are trained for.
What is happening? Why is this allowed to happen. And I won’t even mention Maxwell being let out of prison on work release. Trump is just doing favors for his buddies and his own pocket. He is making America great again for the wealthy white Americans.
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Post by morecowbell on Aug 12, 2025 20:13:47 GMT
Nothing I said had anything to do with race. WTH are you talking about? I apologize for making that leap. Thank you, I appreciate that. Not everyone here is stand up like that. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 12, 2025 20:17:38 GMT
And so are his supporters..... A fan of President Donald Trump told C-SPAN that she wasn't concerned about the release of files on Jeffrey Epstein because it was "human nature" to molest children.*** "Does the Epstein files story matter to you?" the host asked a Republican caller named Kat. "No, sir, it does not," the caller from Virginia replied. "What really matters to me are the lies that the Democrats are putting out. And I honestly believe if anybody's on the Epstein list, it's probably a lot of them and Republicans." "Because, you know, it's human nature, even when children are used," she added. "I was abused when I was three years old for the first time. So, I know what it is to have to deal with that all your life. I'm 74 now." www.rawstory.com/trump-epstein-human-nature/ |
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