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Post by LAM88 on Jan 28, 2015 22:05:19 GMT
1. Did you know that only 1 of 12 balls was actually a full 2psi below the allowable limit? Coincidentally that happens to be the one that was intercepted and was in the Colts possession before being handed over the refs. According to an NFL source, the other 10 balls out of range were closer to 1 psi low. Could that mean even lower than 1psi? Sure, but that's not the statement the NFL gave when this story first broke. They said that 11 of 12 balls were 2psi below allowable limits. How much less sensational would this story have been if they had instead said that 1 ball was fine, 1 ball was 2psi low, and the other 10 balls were only slightly low. Not nearly as scandalous a story, but that's the narrative the NFL began with and the horse is already out of the barn. This was reported by Mike Florio of NBC Sports a few days ago yet I haven't seen a whisper of it on ESPN, NFL Network, or other news sources. "As one league source has explained it to PFT, the football intercepted by Colts linebacker D’Qwell Jackson was roughly two pounds under the 12.5 PSI minimum. The other 10 balls that reportedly were two pounds under may have been, as the source explained it, closer to one pound below 12.5 PSI." profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/25/nfl-bears-plenty-of-blame-for-deflategate/
2. You probably know that Bill Nye the Science Guy (BTW big Seahawks fan) reported that no way is it possible for the psi of the balls to drop by anything other than tampering. You would know this because it was covered by ESPN, NFL Network, and all the major news outlets. Did you know that a Carnegie-Mellon lab found that brand new footballs that were measured at a 75 degree temp and then moved to a 50 degree temp and soaked in water dropped an average of 1.8psi? That didn't seem to be worthy of nearly the same amount of coverage as Bill Nye. And in case you were wondering, Carnegie-Mellon is in Pittsburgh, not Boston. www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/01/25/carnegie_mellon_affiliated_lab_weather_alone_could_have_reduced_pressure_in_patriots_footballs.html
3. One question that repeatedly comes up is why didn't the Colts balls deflate as well. Who says they didn't? The NFL has not released any info about the starting or ending pressure of the Colts balls, only that they were still within acceptable limits. With all the tidbits the NFL has released, you would think that would be a pretty important detail to keep to themselves. Since the Colts tipped of the NFL about the deflated balls before the game, it's safe to assume that they would have made doubly sure their balls had no chance of being under the limit and may have started at the high end of the acceptable range. 4. Another questions that comes up is why would the NFL set up it's premier team right before the Superbowl and cause the stir of controversy? Why wouldn't they just tell the Patriots there had been complaints and if they were doing anything wrong to knock it off? That's a good question and not one I necessarily have the answer to, but it is interesting to note that no one is talking anymore about the concussion scandal or the Adrian Peterson scandal or the Ray Rice scandal anymore. In fact, if Roger Goodell can deliver Bill Belichick's head on a platter, then I bet all his previous sins would be forgiven. And now even non-football fans will be tuning in to the Superbowl hopping to see the Pats lose. I wouldn't be surprised if this Super Bowl shatters records for viewers. The Patriots exist at the crossroads of jealousy and hatred, which puts them in everybody's cross hairs. 5. The NFL continues to leak enough damaging information of questionable accuracy to keep this story alive without actually sharing anything of real value. The last tidbit was the locker room attendant, who they have undoubtedly known about for over a week but only decided to share this info now as the story was starting to die down. I would bet that the Patriots have also known about this for a week, and certainly since Belichick emphatically stated that neither he nor ANYONE in his organization did anything to tamper with the balls after they were inspected by the refs. Think what you will about Belichick, but he's no fool. He would have to have balls bigger than a football to bet the entire farm on their being no evidence of tampering, if in fact he knew they did tamper with the balls. And what about Kraft? Are his balls equally as big because he went completely out on that limb with Belichick. The whole Patriots "culture of cheating" talk reminds of the "immunizations are too dangerous to take" talk: if you repeat it enough times it becomes true. Apparently they've cheated their way to an undefeated season and 6 Superbowls without leaving a shred of proof behind or one disgruntled employee to blow the whistle. The mantra of Patriots Nations has become: "they hate us cuz they ain't us." I get it...I hated the Cowboys in the 80s, the Yankees in the 90s. It's fun to hate the dominant team when it's not yours, but that doesn't make everything bad about them true But I know no one would shed a tear to find out this was all a set up. |
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Post by Skellinton on Jan 28, 2015 22:46:21 GMT
Are you implying that the balls were moved rapidly from one temp to another then soaked in water all on accident and that the balls weren't tampered with? I think that little fact isn't being mentioned because it isn't likely that would have happened. Are you also implying that we should disregard Bill Nye's scientific knowledge because he comes from the PNW and is a Seahawks fan? If that is the case shouldn't we disregard everything you posted because you are a Patriots fan?
I don't really see anything that you posted that changes my opinion on if the balls were tampered with or not. Sorry.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Jan 28, 2015 22:51:41 GMT
You seem awfully invested in this.
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Post by Dani-Mani on Jan 28, 2015 22:54:36 GMT
You forgot #6:
Who cares!
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jan 28, 2015 23:02:00 GMT
"But I know no one would shed a tear to find out this was all a set up."
^^^ set up by who, and for what purpose?? They still won the game, they're still playing the Superbowl... are you saying the NFL is setting them up?? why?? to fuel 'Patriot hate' before the Superbowl? The NFL doesn't care; they're still getting their untold millions of dollars...
ahhh, I hadn't read closely enough: "And now even non-football fans will be tuning in to the Superbowl hopping to see the Pats lose. I wouldn't be surprised if this Super Bowl shatters records for viewers. "
^^^this, along with making all the other scandals go away, is why the NFL organization would set up the Patriots-- now I get it! (still don't believe it, though...) It sounds so far-fetched it could be the plot of a James Bond movie, or something.
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Post by christine58 on Jan 28, 2015 23:05:01 GMT
She's probably a * Patriots fan. Let the NFL do their investigation. Oh and rumor has it that the locker room attendant referenced is Bellicheat's son.
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Post by lumo on Jan 28, 2015 23:07:44 GMT
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Post by christaw on Jan 28, 2015 23:10:27 GMT
She's probably a * Patriots fan. Let the NFL do their investigation. Oh and rumor has it that the locker room attendant referenced is Bellicheat's son.  |
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Post by LAM88 on Jan 28, 2015 23:16:23 GMT
Are you implying that the balls were moved rapidly from one temp to another then soaked in water all on accident and that the balls weren't tampered with? I think that little fact isn't being mentioned because it isn't likely that would have happened. Are you also implying that we should disregard Bill Nye's scientific knowledge because he comes from the PNW and is a Seahawks fan? If that is the case shouldn't we disregard everything you posted because you are a Patriots fan? I don't really see anything that you posted that changes my opinion on if the balls were tampered with or not. Sorry. I'm not sure I'm following you. Why would the balls have to be moved rapidly and I'm not sure you understood the part about the balls being soaked in water? The experiment was set up to mimic the conditions of the game. The balls were originally checked at room temp, then they were checked again after sitting outdoors for ~1 hour in the pouring rain at colder temps. Where did I lose you? |
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Post by cadoodlebug on Jan 28, 2015 23:19:50 GMT
She's probably a * Patriots fan. Let the NFL do their investigation. Oh and rumor has it that the locker room attendant referenced is Bellicheat's son. This made me laugh. Did you see her avatar? I don't agree that the NFL wants this controversy going on right before the biggest game of the season. If anything they should want it squashed as many are just fed up with the NFL goings-on and say they won't even watch. Of course I think a lot of that is because a LOT of fans greatly dislike both teams. JMHO of course.  |
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Post by LAM88 on Jan 28, 2015 23:21:02 GMT
You seem awfully invested in this. Was that supposed to be a dig, because I'll be the first to admit I am completely over-invested in my team, not unlike many other fans of varying different sport. I also admit that if the NFL is able to prove these allegations, I will be beyond disappointed in my team, but right now I have complete confidence that this won't happen. |
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Post by LAM88 on Jan 28, 2015 23:24:20 GMT
I agree that nobody should care, but you cared enough to open this thread and the networks cared enough to lead with this story the day the Yemeni government collapsed and the State of the Union had just occurred, so apparently many people care. |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jan 28, 2015 23:24:42 GMT
never say never. that's all.
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Post by padresfan619 on Jan 28, 2015 23:26:38 GMT
I'm just here so I won't get fined. |
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Post by LAM88 on Jan 28, 2015 23:26:50 GMT
She's probably a * Patriots fan. Let the NFL do their investigation. Oh and rumor has it that the locker room attendant referenced is Bellicheat's son. This made me laugh. Did you see her avatar? I don't agree that the NFL wants this controversy going on right before the biggest game of the season. If anything they should want it squashed as many are just fed up with the NFL goings-on and say they won't even watch. Of course I think a lot of that is because a LOT of fans greatly dislike both teams. JMHO of course. Then how do you reconcile that with the fact that just as the story starts to lose a little steam, they leak another tidbit of unsubstantiated info that is useless on its own, but looks bad for the Pats. It's the NFL that continues to feed this story. Doesn't sound like they're trying to squash it to me. |
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Post by LAM88 on Jan 28, 2015 23:31:00 GMT
She's probably a * Patriots fan. Let the NFL do their investigation. Oh and rumor has it that the locker room attendant referenced is Bellicheat's son. If you repeat it enough times then it becomes true. Belichick's son is an assistant coach, not a locker room attendant. |
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jan 28, 2015 23:32:22 GMT
I'm just here so I won't get fined. Now see THAT would have been a funny response to the RSVP  |
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Jan 28, 2015 23:37:22 GMT
3. One question that repeatedly comes up is why didn't the Colts balls deflate as well. Who says they didn't? The NFL has not released any info about the starting or ending pressure of the Colts balls, only that they were still within acceptable limits. With all the tidbits the NFL has released, you would think that would be a pretty important detail to keep to themselves. Since the Colts tipped of the NFL about the deflated balls before the game, it's safe to assume that they would have made doubly sure their balls had no chance of being under the limit and may have started at the high end of the acceptable range. 4. Another questions that comes up is why would the NFL set up it's premier team right before the Superbowl and cause the stir of controversy? Why wouldn't they just tell the Patriots there had been complaints and if they were doing anything wrong to knock it off? That's a good question and not one I necessarily have the answer to, but it is interesting to note that no one is talking anymore about the concussion scandal or the Adrian Peterson scandal or the Ray Rice scandal anymore. In fact, if Roger Goodell can deliver Bill Belichick's head on a platter, then I bet all his previous sins would be forgiven. And now even non-football fans will be tuning in to the Superbowl hopping to see the Pats lose. I wouldn't be surprised if this Super Bowl shatters records for viewers. The Patriots exist at the crossroads of jealousy and hatred, which puts them in everybody's cross hairs. 5. The NFL continues to leak enough damaging information of questionable accuracy to keep this story alive without actually sharing anything of real value. The last tidbit was the locker room attendant, who they have undoubtedly known about for over a week but only decided to share this info now as the story was starting to die down. I would bet that the Patriots have also known about this for a week, and certainly since Belichick emphatically stated that neither he nor ANYONE in his organization did anything to tamper with the balls after they were inspected by the refs. Think what you will about Belichick, but he's no fool. He would have to have balls bigger than a football to bet the entire farm on their being no evidence of tampering, if in fact he knew they did tamper with the balls. And what about Kraft? Are his balls equally as big because he went completely out on that limb with Belichick. The whole Patriots "culture of cheating" talk reminds of the "immunizations are too dangerous to take" talk: if you repeat it enough times it becomes true. Apparently they've cheated their way to an undefeated season and 6 Superbowls without leaving a shred of proof behind or one disgruntled employee to blow the whistle. The mantra of Patriots Nations has become: "they hate us cuz they ain't us." I get it...I hated the Cowboys in the 80s, the Yankees in the 90s. It's fun to hate the dominant team when it's not yours, but that doesn't make everything bad about them true But I know no one would shed a tear to find out this was all a set up. #3: The fact that they were still within the acceptable limits is evidence that the balls did NOT deflate to the same extent as the ones used by the Patriots. If they had, they would also be outside the acceptable limits. Also, the fact that the balls were not deflating to the same extent among the balls used by the Patriots would actually be evidence in favor of tampering, since they were presumably inflated to Brady's "preferred psi" when inspected by the refs. If they were all inflated to approximately the same psi to start with, then the gas laws that apply to pressure and temperature would not arbitrarily cause one to deflate by two pounds and another by only one because there just isn't room for that much variation in the amount of gas involved. That argument would only fly if there had been a wide variation among the inflation amounts at the start of the game. If that had been the case, I am sure Bellichek and Brady would have addressed it as part of their statements. If there is no scientific reason for the Patriots' balls to deflate much more than the Colts', then that is evidence that there was human intervention.
#4: I can't imagine that anyone who is not already a football fan would have enough interest in seeing the Patriots lose that they would cause record ratings for this Superbowl. If anything, it would make them LESS likely to tune in due to "deflategate fatigue." Many people I know who are not fans of either team have no interest in this year's game because they are tired of the whole thing and figure that the focus will be on the scandal throughout the entire game instead of on the players on the field. Don't forget that advertisers could be shying away from sponsorships if the Pats win because they do not want to be associated with the idea that the team may have cheated. NONE of that is beneficial to the NFL.
#5: Why would the NFL want to "set up" the Patriots? There is NOTHING to gain, aside from some tin-foil conspiracy theory about increased viewership. Since that argument doesn't hold water, what's left? As for the leaks, I imagine that the NFL has tried to keep this info under wraps, but as with all efforts at secrecy, someone passes on a tidbit as a favor, and when the reporter follows up to confirm the story, the NFL realizes it has to release the info itself in order to control it. It isn't a conspiracy; it's just the way scandals unfold. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 23:40:09 GMT
It's now just as hard to prove they didn't cheat as to prove that they did. Honestly many in the sport (retired players,etc) and many scientists and math/statisticians disagree with a lot of what you have posted especially since it seems to only have happened to one side...it's not just Bill Nye the Science Guy. If you start looking at fumble stats and other things like that it's amazing how much better the Pats are than any other team (even those who play inside with no adverse weather conditions). Either they are REALLY REALLY AMAZING or data like this shows that they at least cut corners to gain an advantage (And it has been proven that they have done it before). What's the saying "once a cheat, always a cheat" Unfortunately they have a tarnished reputation.
And honestly the NFL isn't totally objective in the whole situation. That's like the principal of a school investigating whether teachers and students cheated on the state wide exams. At this point I don't think they would want to admit this, because it would possibly go way further than 1 game -- if they did this once with 11 footballs, is it really too much to think they started with just a few to see if they could get away with it?
Other than that I don't plan to watch this SuperBowl due to my dislike of the whole NFL system. While there are some good standup players, there are a lot of thugs and cheats. Probably in most teams. Not where I care for my time, money or attention to go.
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Post by scrappergonewild on Jan 28, 2015 23:55:03 GMT
Spoken like a Patriots fan. Yeah I still think they cheated, period. They've been caught before and are being caught again. Too bad so sad.
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Post by LAM88 on Jan 28, 2015 23:55:11 GMT
3. One question that repeatedly comes up is why didn't the Colts balls deflate as well. Who says they didn't? The NFL has not released any info about the starting or ending pressure of the Colts balls, only that they were still within acceptable limits. With all the tidbits the NFL has released, you would think that would be a pretty important detail to keep to themselves. Since the Colts tipped of the NFL about the deflated balls before the game, it's safe to assume that they would have made doubly sure their balls had no chance of being under the limit and may have started at the high end of the acceptable range. 4. Another questions that comes up is why would the NFL set up it's premier team right before the Superbowl and cause the stir of controversy? Why wouldn't they just tell the Patriots there had been complaints and if they were doing anything wrong to knock it off? That's a good question and not one I necessarily have the answer to, but it is interesting to note that no one is talking anymore about the concussion scandal or the Adrian Peterson scandal or the Ray Rice scandal anymore. In fact, if Roger Goodell can deliver Bill Belichick's head on a platter, then I bet all his previous sins would be forgiven. And now even non-football fans will be tuning in to the Superbowl hopping to see the Pats lose. I wouldn't be surprised if this Super Bowl shatters records for viewers. The Patriots exist at the crossroads of jealousy and hatred, which puts them in everybody's cross hairs. 5. The NFL continues to leak enough damaging information of questionable accuracy to keep this story alive without actually sharing anything of real value. The last tidbit was the locker room attendant, who they have undoubtedly known about for over a week but only decided to share this info now as the story was starting to die down. I would bet that the Patriots have also known about this for a week, and certainly since Belichick emphatically stated that neither he nor ANYONE in his organization did anything to tamper with the balls after they were inspected by the refs. Think what you will about Belichick, but he's no fool. He would have to have balls bigger than a football to bet the entire farm on their being no evidence of tampering, if in fact he knew they did tamper with the balls. And what about Kraft? Are his balls equally as big because he went completely out on that limb with Belichick. The whole Patriots "culture of cheating" talk reminds of the "immunizations are too dangerous to take" talk: if you repeat it enough times it becomes true. Apparently they've cheated their way to an undefeated season and 6 Superbowls without leaving a shred of proof behind or one disgruntled employee to blow the whistle. The mantra of Patriots Nations has become: "they hate us cuz they ain't us." I get it...I hated the Cowboys in the 80s, the Yankees in the 90s. It's fun to hate the dominant team when it's not yours, but that doesn't make everything bad about them true But I know no one would shed a tear to find out this was all a set up. #3: The fact that they were still within the acceptable limits is evidence that the balls did NOT deflate to the same extent as the ones used by the Patriots. If they had, they would also be outside the acceptable limits. Also, the fact that the balls were not deflating to the same extent among the balls used by the Patriots would actually be evidence in favor of tampering, since they were presumably inflated to Brady's "preferred psi" when inspected by the refs. If they were all inflated to approximately the same psi to start with, then the gas laws that apply to pressure and temperature would not arbitrarily cause one to deflate by two pounds and another by only one because there just isn't room for that much variation in the amount of gas involved. That argument would only fly if there had been a wide variation among the inflation amounts at the start of the game. If that had been the case, I am sure Bellichek and Brady would have addressed it as part of their statements. If there is no scientific reason for the Patriots' balls to deflate much more than the Colts', then that is evidence that there was human intervention.
#4: I can't imagine that anyone who is not already a football fan would have enough interest in seeing the Patriots lose that they would cause record ratings for this Superbowl. If anything, it would make them LESS likely to tune in due to "deflategate fatigue." Many people I know who are not fans of either team have no interest in this year's game because they are tired of the whole thing and figure that the focus will be on the scandal throughout the entire game instead of on the players on the field. Don't forget that advertisers could be shying away from sponsorships if the Pats win because they do not want to be associated with the idea that the team may have cheated. NONE of that is beneficial to the NFL.
#5: Why would the NFL want to "set up" the Patriots? There is NOTHING to gain, aside from some tin-foil conspiracy theory about increased viewership. Since that argument doesn't hold water, what's left? As for the leaks, I imagine that the NFL has tried to keep this info under wraps, but as with all efforts at secrecy, someone passes on a tidbit as a favor, and when the reporter follows up to confirm the story, the NFL realizes it has to release the info itself in order to control it. It isn't a conspiracy; it's just the way scandals unfold. #3 Only one Patriot ball was as low as 2psi, the others were "closer to 1psi." If this is true then the Colts balls could have started off on the high end and deflated 1psi and still have been within acceptable limits, but of course no one has actually given uys any info on that, but it;'s way more fun to just assume the Colts balls didn;t deflate even one small bit. If you read #2 you saw that the experimental results were varied with a high of 1.95 psi loss (report didn't say what the low was) so if there were variations under lab conditions, how much more variation would you expect in real world conditions? These are balls made of animal hide, and I doubt they all started at the exact same amount of pressure. Did the NFL even log the starting pressure of all 24 balls? No one knows, but again, it's more fun to just assume it was only Pats balls that deflated. #4 You have Rosie O'Donnell on The View, who wasn't even sure how to pronounce Belichick's name, calling for the Pats to be removed from the Super Bowl  It seems all sorts of non-sports fans have an opinion. #5 You don't find it at all curious that they started this whole scandal talk by saying that all the balls were 2psi low, when that wasn't even the case? That was one of the first official statements by the NFL, not a leak. You don't make a statement like that by accident. They were creating the narrative they wanted to sell. Draw your own conclusions. I know that there is no proof out there innocence that will satisfy those that are eager to believe the Patriots cheat. In fact, the NFL doesn't even have to prove anything at all because the Pats have already been tried and convicted by many. |
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Post by 5peanutsnana on Jan 28, 2015 23:56:45 GMT
"4. Another questions that comes up is why would the NFL set up it's premier team right before the Superbowl and cause the stir of controversy? Why wouldn't they just tell the Patriots there had been complaints and if they were doing anything wrong to knock it off? " I think this is my favorite part. Because we know they would knock it off if they were told to.  |
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Post by LAM88 on Jan 28, 2015 23:58:37 GMT
It's now just as hard to prove they didn't cheat as to prove that they did. Honestly many in the sport (retired players,etc) and many scientists and math/statisticians disagree with a lot of what you have posted especially since it seems to only have happened to one side...it's not just Bill Nye the Science Guy. If you start looking at fumble stats and other things like that it's amazing how much better the Pats are than any other team (even those who play inside with no adverse weather conditions). Either they are REALLY REALLY AMAZING or data like this shows that they at least cut corners to gain an advantage (And it has been proven that they have done it before). What's the saying "once a cheat, always a cheat" Unfortunately they have a tarnished reputation. And honestly the NFL isn't totally objective in the whole situation. That's like the principal of a school investigating whether teachers and students cheated on the state wide exams. At this point I don't think they would want to admit this, because it would possibly go way further than 1 game -- if they did this once with 11 footballs, is it really too much to think they started with just a few to see if they could get away with it? Other than that I don't plan to watch this SuperBowl due to my dislike of the whole NFL system. While there are some good standup players, there are a lot of thugs and cheats. Probably in most teams. Not where I care for my time, money or attention to go. Anyone who has worked with stats like I have knows they can be manipulated to show anything you want. Here's another take on those stats that shows something quite different. Do the Pats have great stats when it comes to fumbles? Absolutely, as do all the other teams that have been dominant over the past few years. It goes hand in hand with winning. regressing.deadspin.com/why-those-statistics-about-the-patriots-fumbles-are-mos-1681805710 |
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Post by elaine on Jan 28, 2015 23:59:38 GMT
She's probably a * Patriots fan. Let the NFL do their investigation. Oh and rumor has it that the locker room attendant referenced is Bellicheat's son. This made me laugh. Did you see her avatar? I don't agree that the NFL wants this controversy going on right before the biggest game of the season. If anything they should want it squashed as many are just fed up with the NFL goings-on and say they won't even watch. Of course I think a lot of that is because a LOT of fans greatly dislike both teams. JMHO of course. So. Not. Surprised. By. This. OP. I've been just waiting for her to post something like this. Bill Nye the Science Guy has always been and now always continue to be one of my personal heroes. |
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Post by LAM88 on Jan 29, 2015 0:02:21 GMT
"4. Another questions that comes up is why would the NFL set up it's premier team right before the Superbowl and cause the stir of controversy? Why wouldn't they just tell the Patriots there had been complaints and if they were doing anything wrong to knock it off? " I think this is my favorite part. Because we know they would knock it off if they were told to. My point was for those saying that the NFL woudn't want this kind of scandal, it could have easily been avoided (if they wished) by telling the Pats to knock it off and that they would be checking them from now on to make sure they were in compliance. After all, Gooddell is in Kraft's back pocket, right? But instead, they conducted a sting that lead us here. Sounds to me like they were inviting a scandal. |
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Post by LAM88 on Jan 29, 2015 0:03:08 GMT
This made me laugh. Did you see her avatar? I don't agree that the NFL wants this controversy going on right before the biggest game of the season. If anything they should want it squashed as many are just fed up with the NFL goings-on and say they won't even watch. Of course I think a lot of that is because a LOT of fans greatly dislike both teams. JMHO of course. So. Not. Surprised. By. This. OP. I've been just waiting for her to post something like this. Bill Nye the Science Guy has always been and now always continue to be one of my personal heroes. So. Not. Surprised. By. This. Elaine.  |
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Post by Skellinton on Jan 29, 2015 0:10:28 GMT
Are you implying that the balls were moved rapidly from one temp to another then soaked in water all on accident and that the balls weren't tampered with? I think that little fact isn't being mentioned because it isn't likely that would have happened. Are you also implying that we should disregard Bill Nye's scientific knowledge because he comes from the PNW and is a Seahawks fan? If that is the case shouldn't we disregard everything you posted because you are a Patriots fan? I don't really see anything that you posted that changes my opinion on if the balls were tampered with or not. Sorry. I'm not sure I'm following you. Why would the balls have to be moved rapidly and I'm not sure you understood the part about the balls being soaked in water? The experiment was set up to mimic the conditions of the game. The balls were originally checked at room temp, then they were checked again after sitting outdoors for ~1 hour in the pouring rain at colder temps. Where did I lose you? You didn't lose me. I don't think you understand the difference between something soaking in water and being exposed to pouring rain for over an hour. They are not even remotely the same thing. Also, you seem to want us to discard Bill Nye because he is a Seahawks fan, so, again I ask you should we discard what you say because you are a Patriot's fan? Also, what about the person who conducted the soaking experiment, shouldn't we know which team they cheer for before we accept or disregard their experiment? Regarding your Rosie statement, I am not a fan of hers at all, but you can't assume she is not a fan because she's can't pronounce a name. I can't pronounce lots of words like "wolf" or "peculiar" does that mean I don't know what they mean or anything about them? People make mistakes when speaking, doesn't mean they know nothing about what they are speaking of. |
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Post by elaine on Jan 29, 2015 0:21:07 GMT
"4. Another questions that comes up is why would the NFL set up it's premier team right before the Superbowl and cause the stir of controversy? Why wouldn't they just tell the Patriots there had been complaints and if they were doing anything wrong to knock it off? " I think this is my favorite part. Because we know they would knock it off if they were told to. Well, they immediately stopped videotaping other teams' sidelines when told to. NOT! Hahahaha! Cheaters gonna cheat. |
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Post by christine58 on Jan 29, 2015 0:30:03 GMT
This made me laugh. Did you see her avatar? No I was on my phone...LOLI don't agree that the NFL wants this controversy going on right before the biggest game of the season. If anything they should want it squashed as many are just fed up with the NFL goings-on and say they won't even watch. Of course I think a lot of that is because a LOT of fans greatly dislike both teams. JMHO of course. So. Not. Surprised. By. This. OP. I've been just waiting for her to post something like this. Bill Nye the Science Guy has always been and now always continue to be one of my personal heroes. @tango You're protesting too much. Bill B is a cheater...will always be a cheater.. I wish the game could end in a tie.... |
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Post by LAM88 on Jan 29, 2015 0:35:49 GMT
You didn't lose me. I don't think you understand the difference between something soaking in water and being exposed to pouring rain for over an hour. They are not even remotely the same thing. Also, you seem to want us to discard Bill Nye because he is a Seahawks fan, so, again I ask you should we discard what you say because you are a Patriot's fan? Also, what about the person who conducted the soaking experiment, shouldn't we know which team they cheer for before we accept or disregard their experiment? Regarding your Rosie statement, I am not a fan of hers at all, but you can't assume she is not a fan because she's can't pronounce a name. I can't pronounce lots of words like "wolf" or "peculiar" does that mean I don't know what they mean or anything about them? People make mistakes when speaking, doesn't mean they know nothing about what they are speaking of. What do you think the difference is between something soaking in water and something being soaked in pouring rain? As a scientist and just my common sense tells met that this was a pretty good approximation of the actual conditions. The difference between the Carnegie-Mellon experiment and Bill Nye is that Carnegie-Mellon performed an actual reproducible experiment, as opposed to Bill Nye who just gave his "expert" opinion. And it didn;'t help that Nye ended his talk with "Go Seahawks." As for Rosie, she makes her living as an actress and speaking on tv so I'm not sure she can claim speech issues as an excuse. And she didn't misspeak...she said, "How do your pronounce his name." If she doesn't know how to pronounce the name of the winningist coach of the last decade+ then she clearly doesn't follow football even a little bit |
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It seems all sorts of non-sports fans have an opinion.
