fleurdelisa
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Post by fleurdelisa on Jun 28, 2014 19:11:37 GMT
No...I don't think so. Those who like to scrapbook with all the extras (like me) are still going to buy the same products...AND MORE...because of all the cute little Project Life cards.
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Post by anniefb on Jun 28, 2014 20:42:41 GMT
PL is what got me interested in scrapping again. For the last five years or so, I've been more of a card maker but I'm making a PL album charting my niece's first year and that in turn got me inspired to do some more layouts for myself - digital this time. When I say PL I mean it's the concept I like, not necessarily all the PL products. I use the PL page protectors but a whole variety of product.
I always found the idea of a 12 x 12 layout kind of intimidating, but 'get' pocket scrapbooking. I think it's great that's there's such a variety of approaches and products and who knows, I might even do some digi 12 x 12 layouts after all.
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Post by scrappinmama on Jun 29, 2014 1:45:08 GMT
For me, the popularity of digital scrapbooking, along with photo book popularity, has led me to scrap less. I really don't think just one thing is to blame. The economy, changes in hobby popularity, digital photos, etc. plus, all craft popularity comes on waves. So many people are knitting now. Way more than a few years ago. At least in my circle.
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Post by craftykitten on Jun 29, 2014 12:21:52 GMT
I think people will always be interested in memory keeping, but traditional scrapbooking is definitely in a big decline. The fuss, the multiple products, in an 'age of austerity' it doesn't fit with how people are living their lives. Digital scrapbooking was the first step, and then came social media, and now I can make a book of my instagram photos? For a lot of people, that's enough. And I think a lot of people store their photos online - like Facebook - and don't even think about what might happen if that website suddenly went down.
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Post by LovMelrose on Jun 29, 2014 12:54:29 GMT
I don't think PL is killing the SB industry. If anything I think it may have helped a bit by giving another avenue of scrapping. However, the PL market is quickly becoming saturated and people who buy those kits are now drowning in a gazillion 3x4 cards. I know I am and quit buying kits.
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scrapperdee
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Post by scrapperdee on Jun 29, 2014 15:12:58 GMT
If companies change to only having supplies for PL type of scrapbooking, then it'll kill it...right now, traditional scrappers still have lots of products & I think that PL might help in that it'll bring in the younger generation that only take ipod-size photos and want instant gratification of making something beautiful with minimal effort.
As long as the industry as a whole keeps bringing (and hopefully keeping) new people to the craft, it should be ok.
I like to touch and manipulate the paper, photos and embellishments....slipping preamde stuff/photos into sleeves or spending hours doing it digitally and then not able to print to share in a physical album...not so much
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Post by cricutgirlg on Jun 29, 2014 17:22:33 GMT
I've never scrapped PL and Have no plans to try it. I love making of my own embellishments and working with different art elements, I think the industry does not have enough people buying products and that's it is dying. You have to support your industry, but it may be over saturated too. Only time will tell, so many great points made here on the topic.
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Post by katieanna on Jun 29, 2014 17:41:06 GMT
I think the sometimes ridiculous costs and overwhelming amount of product is "killing" the scrapbook industry. With the economy as it has been for the past several years, people just don't want to spend $4.99 for three metal embellishments anymore. And, there's just SO much product. I think the cost and the glut have lead to the popping of the scrapbook bubble. It'll probably survive, but I would bet it'll be fewer product lines and simpler LOs/albums. Probably not back to the old CM days, but not as...embellished? I agree. I can remember the day when a trip to Ms or Js usually meant a trip home loaded with a bag full of goodies. Now I purchase less frequently for less product. As far as paper and embellishments go, I probably could go an easy 10 years without making a scrapbook purchase more than once or twice a year. I will always scrapbook but I don't need (nor can I afford) to purchase product like I used to. |
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Post by Katie on Jun 29, 2014 17:52:40 GMT
I think it had a little impact. in additional to PL, I think digital scrapping did a lot of that as well. So many people digi scrap and then make a photo book like Blurb instead of buying supplies. They are still spending money on kits, but that money isnt going into the big box stores. I agree with this. I think the digital age is what is hurting the traditional scrapbookers. Everyone is pressed for time these days, so they likely find it easier to whip up a page on their computer and have a book printed. |
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Post by scraphappyinjax on Jun 29, 2014 22:29:35 GMT
I don't think it hurt the industry, but she is in danger of saturating her market. She is releasing kits so fast that even if you were a die hard pic a day Project Lifer, you could quickly become overwhelmed with the kit choices. Becky does have quite a few exclusives that makes me wonder if she's producing too much. Stampin' Up! just released a Project Life line in their latest catalog. I think this was smart on her part because most SU! customers, from what I've observed, aren't as savvy as the RefuPeas are. It will be interesting to watch. |
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Post by love2scrap on Jul 1, 2014 5:26:28 GMT
I think it's technology. It's so easy to upload a pic to social media sites. I think that many that have grown up with the technology don't think about long term and preservation that much.....
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Post by anniefb on Jul 1, 2014 5:47:41 GMT
I think it's technology. It's so easy to upload a pic to social media sites. I think that many that have grown up with the technology don't think about long term and preservation that much..... I agree. People upload and delete and think sites will be around as long as they need. |
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Post by pmk on Jul 1, 2014 9:58:33 GMT
I think it's technology. It's so easy to upload a pic to social media sites. I think that many that have grown up with the technology don't think about long term and preservation that much..... I agree. People upload and delete and think sites will be around as long as they need. I'd agree with this too - so many people hand online galleries that they don't see the need to think long term. Especially when we keep getting told that something can be on the internet for ever! |
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Post by scrapnnana on Jul 1, 2014 12:40:08 GMT
I sometimes buy Project Life papers for using on my traditional layouts. I don't do PL. At. All.
I don't think it is "killing" the industry, but it has changed it.
One thing that I like is that it has re-introduced the idea that simpler scrapping is okay.
For awhile, at the LSS, there were a few scrapping snobs who did artsy layouts with lots of product. They kind of acted like our simpler scrapping was less worthy in some way. They didn't mean to act like snobs, but they had an attitude.
Everyone has their own style, and simple or more involved, it doesn't matter what kind of scrapping you do.
I sort of suspect that PL kind of helped keep scrapping from dying more than it has, because all the artsy pages made some potential new scrappers feel scrapping took too much time, money, and talent. PL helped potential scrappers feel that perhaps scrapping was still an option, even if they had very little time or effort to devote to it.
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Post by scraps2treasures on Jul 1, 2014 13:09:10 GMT
I would have to agree with Maribeth. I think the tendency for magazines and online galleries to show only beautiful artistic pages has turned a lot of people off. No one has several hours to spend on a single layout anymore. I know I don't. So it can be very off-putting and people don't even try to get into the hobby because they figure they don't have enough time or talent to do it.
I actually think Project Life helps draw in new scrapbookers because it shows them that you can create nice albums without all the work.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 16:27:26 GMT
For me personally it did the opposite. Project Life gave me a place to put the thousands of photos I take. Plud with a busy household I find it easier to work on a 4x6 slot or 3x4 slot rather than a 12x12 layout. Also, I do a lot of embellishing, so I still buy plenty of embellishment, and I make a lot of my own cards, so I still buy 6x6 pads and 12x12 paper.
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Post by weesheepea on Jul 1, 2014 18:11:36 GMT
Personally I don't think it's any one thing. 1. At the beginning of the "decline" was the stores closing that didn't have any business opening in the first place. You know the type...the ladies opened the stores thinking they would get their supplies at wholesale cost and scrapbook all the live long day. No business sense at all. 2. With all of these stores opening up, manufacturers produced collections at an alarming rate. Unless you were in a suburban area with hundreds of ladies shopping in a day/week it takes a long while to sell through 25 sheets of paper. And they have never really backed down from that schedule of churning out so many collections a year. Stores just got inundated with inventory and couldn't keep up. Then customers started to complain that there wasn't anything "new" at the store. Well ya, that can't happen until you buy the stuff already in the store. That's the only way to free up space AND cash to buy the next best thing. 3. Customers know way too much about the inside workings/gossip/etc of the industry. I don't know many industries that show sneak peeks of their new things coming down the pipeline. Do you see twitter/instagram photos from your favorite clothing store when they're at market? I don't...the only way I see new stuff is to actually shop the store. Then, how many other industries allow customers to get into the trade shows? Ever try getting into a gift market, jewelry show, stationery show, etc without a ton of credentials? With CHA it pretty much is buy a $150 membership with a Tax ID and you're in. CHA doesn't care to protect the integrity of the industry, only the dollar signs. 4. With the buying frenzy surrounding a new collection, customers were taught to buy it now because they won't re-print the collection again. So they now have rooms full of papers, embellishments, etc that they haven't used yet, and don't have any more room for the new stuff. If a Christmas paper is timeless, why is it "out of date" by next Christmas? Now I understand you don't want to use the same paper every Christmas, but do we really need 15 papers in a Christms collection from Echo Park? Much less 2 every Christmas from them? 5. Most items made for the scrapbook world are overpriced. I'll admit it and I'm a store owner. But what do I do? The manufacturer sets the MSRP and I need to get the most margin I can from the sale to pay for my site, shipping, store, electricity, insurance, etc. etc. etc. 6. There are some horrible store owners. I'll admit that too!  some are in it just because they opened up and had great sales in the heyday. Now they're struggling to keep afloat and they're stressed and crabby and angry. Some are in it because they genuinely love the industry and want to see it back as popular as it was before. 7. Project Life came around and told people they could scrapbook with just an album, some cards and their pictures. No tools necessary...THANKS Becky  8. Digital scrapbooking became somewhat popular. People have started to make Snapfish/Shutterfly books because it's fast. Lots of people don't necessarily like the quality/look of these albums, but hey, it's cheaper and faster than scrapbooking the traditional way. 9. People just DO NOT print out their photos. They are stored on SD cards, CD/DVDs, in their phones, etc and just post their picture on Facebook/Twitter/Instagram and call it good. I really think this a huge reason why our industry has shrunk. With the invention of the digital camera, people take 10 pictures because they can just choose the best one to print. But they don't print them out. 10. The economy hasn't helped at all. Disposable income has shrunk and our hobby isn't a necessity. People are paying more for gas, groceries, insurance, etc and they just don't have the money. There..there's my two cents (well maybe $1.25) on why we're at where we're at. I personally LOVE this industry and am doing everything I can to keep it afloat and vibrant. I'm doing everything I can to keep my store alive, relevant, stocked with great product, classes and workshops scheduled regularly, etc. I'm just in a bad location in the middle of nowhere Iowa. LOL I just liked your FB page, and noticed that several of my friends also like it - I'll do what I can to send traffic your way. We just lost another local scrapbook store, so I'm trying to help others where I can!
By any chance are you going to get in Shimelle's new line from AC?  I haven't spent much $ on stuff lately, but everything in that line is calling out to me...
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Post by lisavb on Jul 1, 2014 18:19:02 GMT
I just liked your FB page, and noticed that several of my friends also like it - I'll do what I can to send traffic your way. We just lost another local scrapbook store, so I'm trying to help others where I can!
By any chance are you going to get in Shimelle's new line from AC? I haven't spent much $ on stuff lately, but everything in that line is calling out to me...
Thanks for the like!! And yes, we have already ordered Shimelle's line. |
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Post by mommamoonrn on Jul 2, 2014 21:26:15 GMT
I do both PL and traditional scrapbooking. I do PL style for my granddaughters and regular and some PL for me. I do not feel that it has hurt the industry. I feel it has helped.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jul 2, 2014 22:27:55 GMT
Personally I don't think it's any one thing. 1. At the beginning of the "decline" was the stores closing that didn't have any business opening in the first place. You know the type...the ladies opened the stores thinking they would get their supplies at wholesale cost and scrapbook all the live long day. No business sense at all. 2. With all of these stores opening up, manufacturers produced collections at an alarming rate. Unless you were in a suburban area with hundreds of ladies shopping in a day/week it takes a long while to sell through 25 sheets of paper. And they have never really backed down from that schedule of churning out so many collections a year. Stores just got inundated with inventory and couldn't keep up. Then customers started to complain that there wasn't anything "new" at the store. Well ya, that can't happen until you buy the stuff already in the store. That's the only way to free up space AND cash to buy the next best thing. 3. Customers know way too much about the inside workings/gossip/etc of the industry. I don't know many industries that show sneak peeks of their new things coming down the pipeline. Do you see twitter/instagram photos from your favorite clothing store when they're at market? I don't...the only way I see new stuff is to actually shop the store. Then, how many other industries allow customers to get into the trade shows? Ever try getting into a gift market, jewelry show, stationery show, etc without a ton of credentials? With CHA it pretty much is buy a $150 membership with a Tax ID and you're in. CHA doesn't care to protect the integrity of the industry, only the dollar signs. 4. With the buying frenzy surrounding a new collection, customers were taught to buy it now because they won't re-print the collection again. So they now have rooms full of papers, embellishments, etc that they haven't used yet, and don't have any more room for the new stuff. If a Christmas paper is timeless, why is it "out of date" by next Christmas? Now I understand you don't want to use the same paper every Christmas, but do we really need 15 papers in a Christms collection from Echo Park? Much less 2 every Christmas from them? 5. Most items made for the scrapbook world are overpriced. I'll admit it and I'm a store owner. But what do I do? The manufacturer sets the MSRP and I need to get the most margin I can from the sale to pay for my site, shipping, store, electricity, insurance, etc. etc. etc. 6. There are some horrible store owners. I'll admit that too! some are in it just because they opened up and had great sales in the heyday. Now they're struggling to keep afloat and they're stressed and crabby and angry. Some are in it because they genuinely love the industry and want to see it back as popular as it was before. 7. Project Life came around and told people they could scrapbook with just an album, some cards and their pictures. No tools necessary...THANKS Becky 8. Digital scrapbooking became somewhat popular. People have started to make Snapfish/Shutterfly books because it's fast. Lots of people don't necessarily like the quality/look of these albums, but hey, it's cheaper and faster than scrapbooking the traditional way. 9. People just DO NOT print out their photos. They are stored on SD cards, CD/DVDs, in their phones, etc and just post their picture on Facebook/Twitter/Instagram and call it good. I really think this a huge reason why our industry has shrunk. With the invention of the digital camera, people take 10 pictures because they can just choose the best one to print. But they don't print them out. 10. The economy hasn't helped at all. Disposable income has shrunk and our hobby isn't a necessity. People are paying more for gas, groceries, insurance, etc and they just don't have the money. There..there's my two cents (well maybe $1.25) on why we're at where we're at. I personally LOVE this industry and am doing everything I can to keep it afloat and vibrant. I'm doing everything I can to keep my store alive, relevant, stocked with great product, classes and workshops scheduled regularly, etc. I'm just in a bad location in the middle of nowhere Iowa. LOL This is a well thought out, amazing, intelligent post. You gave me insight that I didn't have before. |
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some are in it just because they opened up and had great sales in the heyday. Now they're struggling to keep afloat and they're stressed and crabby and angry. Some are in it because they genuinely love the industry and want to see it back as popular as it was before.
I haven't spent much $ on stuff lately, but everything in that line is calling out to me...
