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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 18, 2015 3:54:17 GMT
Alright RefuPeas - let me have it. Just how outraged would you be if a parent sent in Guinness Cupcakes with Bailey's frosting to school. Now keep in mind one cup of Guinness and 8 tablespoons of Guinness created 24 cupcakes. One could argue that the Guinness probably baked out - if not about a half a tablespoon of beer and 1/3 Tablespoon of Bailey's per cupcake. I told my daughter no to taking in the leftovers. My husband thought I was being silly as who would care about such a minuscule amount of alcohol - he clearly hasn't met a lot of peas.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 3:57:14 GMT
The alcohol cooking out thing isn't as cut and dry as once was believed. There is usually zero tolerance for that kind of things in school. I say no way. Just not worth it.
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Post by Chips on Mar 18, 2015 3:58:38 GMT
The alcohol cooking out thing isn't as cut and dry as once was believed. There is usually zero tolerance for that kind of things in school. I say no way. Just not worth it. That is exactly what I thought - zero tolerance.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 3:59:03 GMT
There is not enough alcohol to make a difference but it's one of those "avoid the appearance of impropriety" situations.
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Post by luvnlifelady on Mar 18, 2015 3:59:34 GMT
Yah I wouldn't do it. Now you could always send the leftovers to me and that would take care of it. DH loves Guinness and I like Bailey's. Just helping out another Refupea ya know.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 4:00:01 GMT
My kids love that cake but it probably wouldn't go over very well at school. I can see some parents getting upset about it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 4:00:07 GMT
At that age it isn't just the alcohol (although IMO even that amount is more than I wanted my middle schooler to have) But also about developing a taste for it; which is something I did not want to have developed at that age. SO, yeah, I'd have been a pealivid parent.
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Post by padresfan619 on Mar 18, 2015 4:00:41 GMT
It wouldn't be a big deal to me, but I also wouldn't send a batch of Guinness cupcakes to school.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 4:02:34 GMT
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Post by cmpeter on Mar 18, 2015 4:02:37 GMT
I wouldn't send them...wrong message.
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Post by moveablefeast on Mar 18, 2015 4:02:53 GMT
Meh - I would feed it to my kid. And I would not be pissed if someone gave it to my kid.
But probably I would not feed it to kids at school. I don't think I want to be the one explaining why you can eat a Guinness cupcake but not drink a Guinness.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 18, 2015 4:06:24 GMT
At that age it isn't just the alcohol (although IMO even that amount is more than I wanted my middle schooler to have) But also about developing a taste for it; which is something I did not want to have developed at that age. SO, yeah, I'd have been a pealivid parent. A taste for it? I'm not sure what you mean. I really don't think you could develop a taste for the alcohol - as truly there is none detectable. You also really can't taste the Guinness - and if you did it would be so far removed from the taste of actual Guinness it's more likely to scare you off when you tried it. I suppose it could make one develop the taste of Bailey's - but let's be honest - one really doesn't need to develop a taste for Bailey's, it's pretty much yummy to anyone who likes creamy sweet stuff that doesn't taste like alcohol.
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Post by LilyRose on Mar 18, 2015 4:08:47 GMT
I can't answer until I know if they were dropped on the sidewalk on the way in....
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Post by pierkiss on Mar 18, 2015 4:10:26 GMT
Not gonna lie, I probably would have been seriously pissed off if this happened at my kids class.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 4:11:00 GMT
At that age it isn't just the alcohol (although IMO even that amount is more than I wanted my middle schooler to have) But also about developing a taste for it; which is something I did not want to have developed at that age. SO, yeah, I'd have been a pealivid parent. A taste for it? I'm not sure what you mean. I really don't think you could develop a taste for the alcohol - as truly there is none detectable. You also really can't taste the Guinness - and if you did it would be so far removed from the taste of actual Guinness it's more likely to scare you off when you tried it. I suppose it could make one develop the taste of Bailey's - but let's be honest - one really doesn't need to develop a taste for Bailey's, it's pretty much yummy to anyone who likes creamy sweet stuff that doesn't taste like alcohol. If that is true why bother to add it to the cupcakes in the first place? No, I don't want my middle schooler knowing baileys is creamy and sweet. He can wait until he is 21 to learn that. When my kids where that age our family was tee-totalers. It wouldn't be your place to be sending in alcohol, even if you think it can't be tasted.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 4:11:30 GMT
At that age it isn't just the alcohol (although IMO even that amount is more than I wanted my middle schooler to have) But also about developing a taste for it; which is something I did not want to have developed at that age. SO, yeah, I'd have been a pealivid parent. A taste for it? I'm not sure what you mean. I really don't think you could develop a taste for the alcohol - as truly there is none detectable. You also really can't taste the Guinness - and if you did it would be so far removed from the taste of actual Guinness it's more likely to scare you off when you tried it. I suppose it could make one develop the taste of Bailey's - but let's be honest - one really doesn't need to develop a taste for Bailey's, it's pretty much yummy to anyone who likes creamy sweet stuff that doesn't taste like alcohol. See and for me Baileys is strong and horridly alcohol tasting.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 18, 2015 4:11:27 GMT
Thanks - so in this case 35% of the half a tablespoon of Guinness would remain.
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Post by freecharlie on Mar 18, 2015 4:13:59 GMT
I wouldn't throw a fit. I am curious how this came about. I sure wouldn't send them with my kid.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 18, 2015 4:16:47 GMT
A taste for it? I'm not sure what you mean. I really don't think you could develop a taste for the alcohol - as truly there is none detectable. You also really can't taste the Guinness - and if you did it would be so far removed from the taste of actual Guinness it's more likely to scare you off when you tried it. I suppose it could make one develop the taste of Bailey's - but let's be honest - one really doesn't need to develop a taste for Bailey's, it's pretty much yummy to anyone who likes creamy sweet stuff that doesn't taste like alcohol. If that is true why bother to add it to the cupcakes in the first place? No, I don't want my middle schooler knowing baileys is creamy and sweet. He can wait until he is 21 to learn that. When my kids where that age our family was tee-totalers. It wouldn't be your place to be sending in alcohol, even if you think it can't be tasted. Why because it's creamy and sweet of course! I do appreciate that you let me be 100% right with my husband. I expected that at least one pea would say that even if it was a drop of alcohol it would be inappropriate - forgetting of course that every time they add vanilla extract they're putting 70 proof alcohol into their treats.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 18, 2015 4:19:30 GMT
I wouldn't throw a fit. I am curious how this came about. I sure wouldn't send them with my kid. I made St. Patrick's day cupcakes for a party tonight and had some leftovers. My daughter asked to bring a couple into school tomorrow to share with her friends. I said no, my husband said I was silly as there wasn't enough alcohol in them to bother anyone.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 4:21:11 GMT
If that is true why bother to add it to the cupcakes in the first place? No, I don't want my middle schooler knowing baileys is creamy and sweet. He can wait until he is 21 to learn that. When my kids where that age our family was tee-totalers. It wouldn't be your place to be sending in alcohol, even if you think it can't be tasted. Why because it's creamy and sweet of course! I do appreciate that you let me be 100% right with my husband. I expected that at least one pea would say that even if it was a drop of alcohol it would be inappropriate - forgetting of course that every time they add vanilla extract they're putting 70 proof alcohol into their treats. No Not everyone uses vanilla extract for that reason. But even then they don't get 1.3 tablespoons of extract in the whole batch much less one cupcake (per your calculations: Now keep in mind one cup of Guinness and 8 tablespoons of Guinness created 24 cupcakes. One could argue that the Guinness probably baked out - if not about a half a tablespoon of beer and 1/3 Tablespoon of Bailey's per cupcake.)
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Post by gryroagain on Mar 18, 2015 4:23:26 GMT
I wouldn't think twice about feeding them to a kid, but given that my dds middle school and high school find the sight of her bare shoulders so shocking she can't wear a tank top to school...they for sure aren't ready for Guinness cupcakes.
School is it's own weird place with weird rules, so it is t necessarily wrong to give the cupcakes out, but it would be wrong at school.
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Post by perumbula on Mar 18, 2015 4:27:03 GMT
I would have a massive fit. Like HUGE. We are not only teetotalers we are teetotalers because of our religious beliefs. No freaking way is that ok to be feeding middle school kids that in no way belong to you. You can do what you like with your own kids, but boy howdy you do not have the right to make that decision for mine.
I don't get wound up about much, but that one--that's going to send me over the edge. No baily's in my kids' cupcakes. Ever.
And yes, I do know about vanilla. It's not the same and you know it. Those cupcakes have a full cup of alcohol in them and then raw liquor in the frosting. That's no measly 1 tsp of vanilla that gets baked out.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 18, 2015 4:28:35 GMT
Why because it's creamy and sweet of course! I do appreciate that you let me be 100% right with my husband. I expected that at least one pea would say that even if it was a drop of alcohol it would be inappropriate - forgetting of course that every time they add vanilla extract they're putting 70 proof alcohol into their treats. No Not everyone uses vanilla extract for that reason. But even then they don't get 1.3 tablespoons of extract in the whole batch much less one cupcake (per your calculations: Now keep in mind one cup of Guinness and 8 tablespoons of Guinness created 24 cupcakes. One could argue that the Guinness probably baked out - if not about a half a tablespoon of beer and 1/3 Tablespoon of Bailey's per cupcake.) It was 1/2 tablespoon and 1/3 - so 2/3 (.667) of a Tablespoon or .5 with your helpful baking out reference not 1.3 - still much more than you'd receive in a typical recipe. But the zero tolerance references are still funny - then I was shocked when a facebook friend recently received advice on rubbing vanilla extract on her child's gums and even ironically slammed parents for using alcohol in the same post - many people don't seem to realize the alcohol content in their "typical" ingredients.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 18, 2015 4:36:38 GMT
I would have a massive fit. Like HUGE. We are not only teetotalers we are teetotalers because of our religious beliefs. No freaking way is that ok to be feeding middle school kids that in no way belong to you. You can do what you like with your own kids, but boy howdy you do not have the right to make that decision for mine. I don't get wound up about much, but that one--that's going to send me over the edge. No baily's in my kids' cupcakes. Ever. And yes, I do know about vanilla. It's not the same and you know it. Those cupcakes have a full cup of alcohol in them and then raw liquor in the frosting. That's no measly 1 tsp of vanilla that gets baked out. Whoa there - they absolutely did no have a full CUP of alcohol in them. Wholly crap! Beer is about 4% alcohol. So the cup of Guinness is less than a half a Tablespoon of alcohol in the whole recipe. And Bailey's is not RAW liquor it's about 17% - still way way less than your vanilla extract. Perhaps you should read volt's link about how much of that 70 proof alcohol in your recipes is actually baked out.
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Post by chaosisapony on Mar 18, 2015 4:37:13 GMT
I think schools and parents would be way weird about that kind of thing even though I personally would think it's fine. So my answer would be no, it's inappropriate to share them in school.
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Post by LeaP on Mar 18, 2015 4:39:32 GMT
Is this the David Leibovitz recipe? It is really good recipe, I made them with my 13 year old last year. She loved the Bailey's frosting. I fed them to my kids and to a couple of kids with laid back parents. I agree with you about not sending them to school because of the appearance of impropriety.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 18, 2015 4:44:23 GMT
Is this the David Leibovitz recipe? It is really good recipe, I made them with my 13 year old last year. She loved the Bailey's frosting. I fed them to my kids and to a couple of kids with laid back parents. I agree with you about not sending them to school because of the appearance of impropriety. I'm not sure - I found a million of them on pininterest that were basically the same. I used this one: www.browneyedbaker.com/irish-car-bomb-cupcakes/Although I did not add whisky to the ganache - I love ganache and don't love whisky so feared it would muck it up.
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Post by perumbula on Mar 18, 2015 4:49:06 GMT
Liquor=as in high proof alcoholic drink. Raw as in not baked. Both of which apply to your frosting. You said you used one cup of Guinness for the batch. Quoting you here. I said Guinness, not 1 cup of straight proof alcohol.
I know what I'm talking about and no, my vanilla cupcakes are not anywhere comparable to yours. Not even close. And no I don't need to read Volt's link. I've read quite a bit on alcohol and how much cooks out of food. I'm quite familiar with the science. And it doesn't matter how much alcohol cooked out of the cupcake because absolutely none of it cooked out of your frosting.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 18, 2015 5:03:51 GMT
Liquor=as in high proof alcoholic drink. Raw as in not baked. Both of which apply to your frosting. You said you used one cup of Guinness for the batch. Quoting you here. I said Guinness, not 1 cup of straight proof alcohol. I know what I'm talking about and no, my vanilla cupcakes are not anywhere comparable to yours. Not even close. And no I don't need to read Volt's link. I've read quite a bit on alcohol and how much cooks out of food. I'm quite familiar with the science. And it doesn't matter how much alcohol cooked out of the cupcake because absolutely none of it cooked out of your frosting. No you didn't say Guinness you said full cup of alcohol which is ridiculous. I cup of Guinness adds the same amount of alcohol as a 1.5 teaspoons of vanilla extract to a recipe. Now the frosting is certainly RAW - but then 90% of all buttercream recipes have vanilla or almond extract in them - less from a volume perspective, but probably the same from a total amount of alcohol added perspective as the extracts are much, much higher proof than Bailey's. Now I fully acknowledge the perception -which incidentally is why I said no - but do find it ironic that I didn't think twice about sending in the Wilton buttercream cupcakes I practiced various flower techniques on which with both almond and vanilla extract probably had more actual alcohol in the frosting.
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