TheOtherMeg
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Mar 18, 2015 13:00:25 GMT
I would have a massive fit. Like HUGE. We are not only teetotalers we are teetotalers because of our religious beliefs. No freaking way is that ok to be feeding middle school kids that in no way belong to you. You can do what you like with your own kids, but boy howdy you do not have the right to make that decision for mine. I don't get wound up about much, but that one--that's going to send me over the edge. No baily's in my kids' cupcakes. Ever. And yes, I do know about vanilla. It's not the same and you know it. Those cupcakes have a full cup of alcohol in them and then raw liquor in the frosting. That's no measly 1 tsp of vanilla that gets baked out. Whoa there - they absolutely did no have a full CUP of alcohol in them. Wholly crap! Beer is about 4% alcohol. So the cup of Guinness is less than a half a Tablespoon of alcohol in the whole recipe. And Bailey's is not RAW liquor it's about 17% - still way way less than your vanilla extract. Perhaps you should read volt's link about how much of that 70 proof alcohol in your recipes is actually baked out. The amount isn't the point. If a family abstains from alcoholic beverages for religious reasons, then cupcakes with Guinness and Bailey's are not appropriate, regardless of the amount. I think going on and on about the alcohol content in vanilla extract (a cooking ingredient, not an alcoholic beverage) is beside the point. And I think most people know that there a difference between giving a child a cupcake made with vanilla extract and giving him one made with Guinness and Bailey's. FTR, I would not have had a fit if someone brought Guinness & Bailey's cupcakes to my child's class. I would definitely have thought the person was clueless and asking for trouble, though.
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Post by compwalla on Mar 18, 2015 13:09:15 GMT
I wouldn't have an issue with my kid eating one but I would never send them to school. There are kids in religions which forbid alcohol and I wouldn't want to upset them or their parents. Students in our district aren't even allowed to wear a t-shirt with any depiction of alcohol so I'm not about to send in snacks with Guinness in the name of the cupcake.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 18, 2015 13:20:35 GMT
Whoa there - they absolutely did no have a full CUP of alcohol in them. Wholly crap! Beer is about 4% alcohol. So the cup of Guinness is less than a half a Tablespoon of alcohol in the whole recipe. And Bailey's is not RAW liquor it's about 17% - still way way less than your vanilla extract. Perhaps you should read volt's link about how much of that 70 proof alcohol in your recipes is actually baked out. The amount isn't the point. If a family abstains from alcoholic beverages for religious reasons, then cupcakes with Guinness and Bailey's are not appropriate, regardless of the amount. I think going on and on about the alcohol content in vanilla extract (a cooking ingredient, not an alcoholic beverage) is beside the point. And I think most people know that there a difference between giving a child a cupcake made with vanilla extract and giving him one made with Guinness and Bailey's. FTR, I would not have had a fit if someone brought Guinness & Bailey's cupcakes to my child's class. I would definitely have thought the person was clueless and asking for trouble, though. Actually I was curious whether those who had such strong reactions used vanilla extract or other alcohol based cooking ingredients. Particularly if the response is based on religious reasons - as well as wondering if they WOULD object to a cupcake with a frosting made with vanilla extract. If it's against their religion to partake in any alcohol - why wouldn't they? I fully expected the impropriety comments and figured some wouldn't care if one actually put Bailey's and Guinness in the recipe - they would have objected purely from the name of the cupcake or trying to mimic the taste of alcoholic drink even sans alcohol.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 13:24:41 GMT
To be honest, Dh didn't take a slice of leftover cake to work either - his company has a zero tolerance policy for alcohol and while it doesn't have enough to trigger a positive on a random urinalysis, it has enough to violate the policy if someone decided to make a stink about it... Oh Linda are you depriving them of a traditional British Christmas cake,laced with brandy, not to mention the mixed dried fruit that would have fermented when mixed with the sugar? Tut Tut ( only joking)
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Post by compwalla on Mar 18, 2015 13:29:11 GMT
I think people need to let go of the idea that vanilla extract containing alcohol is the only way to get vanilla flavor into baked goods. Non-alcoholic alternatives exist and are easy to obtain and use. Whole vanilla bean or vanilla paste work great. So the idea that a person who abstains from alcohol is a hypocrite because she eats vanilla cupcakes is really not valid.
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Post by smokey2471 on Mar 18, 2015 13:46:36 GMT
Reading replies here should be enough to explain how it could be perceived at school. Why court controversy? If you want them out of the house, can you take to a local FireHouse or Senior Center? I don't know how yours feels about home baked goods... Some accept and some do not. My firefighter DH accepts any and all treats. Loves them.
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Post by Prenticekid on Mar 18, 2015 14:02:50 GMT
Why would you? We make them, we eat them, my DD was making rum cakes and rum balls in grade school. However, sending them to school is just a weird idea. Kind of like we don't mind nudity within our home, but I wouldn't let my kids go to school dressed in crop tops, halter tops, short skirts, yoga pants, etc. There are t-shirts we might think are funny in our house, but the kids aren't wearing them to school.
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Post by amandad74 on Mar 18, 2015 14:16:41 GMT
I can't answer until I know if they were dropped on the sidewalk on the way in.... LOL!
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Post by Zee on Mar 18, 2015 14:19:12 GMT
I wouldn't be particularly upset, but it is inappropriate in a school setting.
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Post by littlemama on Mar 18, 2015 14:42:52 GMT
Inappropriate to send to school, and there is no reason to send them to school. At home, I would probably let ds have one, but that is my choice as a parent.
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quiltz
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Post by quiltz on Mar 18, 2015 14:48:02 GMT
My recipe for the cupcakes call for 1 bottle of Guinness, to be cooked in a saucepan while melting butter and the cocoa.
All the Guinness does is add a deep flavour to the butter and chocolate.
This is my only recipe for chocolate cupcakes. Everybody loves them.
There is one (1) tablespoon of Bailey's in the icing. For 24 cupcakes. That is hardly a lot of booze for anyone. Simply add some flavour to the Buttercream frosting.
St. Paddy's day is ONCE A YEAR!
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Post by melanell on Mar 18, 2015 14:58:36 GMT
The kids aren't even allowed to wear t-shirts that reference alcohol, so there's definitely no way I'd send them to school. Not because they have any overwhelming amount of alcohol in them, but because the school has a zero-tolerance policy on that type of thing.
Now, if Seamus Flannery has a left-over cupcake in his lunch bag and he gives half of it to my kid, I personally wouldn't care. I don't have an issue with my kid having one of those cupcakes, but I don't think school is the appropriate place to have one, so I would be the person sending them in.
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Post by bc2ca on Mar 18, 2015 15:22:10 GMT
The kids aren't even allowed to wear t-shirts that reference alcohol, so there's definitely no way I'd send them to school. Not because they have any overwhelming amount of alcohol in them, but because the school has a zero-tolerance policy on that type of thing. and in middle school DS would be gleefully letting everyone know he had beer cupcakes I learned alcohol didn't bake out of a cake years ago when I brought in a Kahlua cake for a work birthday party. Everyone was in a good mood that afternoon .
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Post by annabella on Mar 18, 2015 15:22:34 GMT
I think middle school students aren't food connoisseurs and you don't need to impress them with your fabulous baking skills. Chocolate mint cupcakes would have been just fine.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 18, 2015 15:27:22 GMT
I think middle school students aren't food connoisseurs and you don't need to impress them with your fabulous baking skills. Chocolate mint cupcakes would have been just fine. I didn't bake them for the middle school for goodness sake! I baked them for a St. Patrick's Day party!
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Post by Merge on Mar 18, 2015 15:30:43 GMT
What a strange thread.
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ginacivey
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Post by ginacivey on Mar 18, 2015 15:37:16 GMT
if the name of the beer wasn't Guinness...and so European sounding...would you change your mind
would you send in Budweiser cupcakes?
gina
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Post by pierkiss on Mar 18, 2015 15:54:11 GMT
Hahaha, Budweiser cupcakes. Just the idea of that cracks me up. I have no idea why.
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Post by Linda on Mar 18, 2015 15:56:01 GMT
To be honest, Dh didn't take a slice of leftover cake to work either - his company has a zero tolerance policy for alcohol and while it doesn't have enough to trigger a positive on a random urinalysis, it has enough to violate the policy if someone decided to make a stink about it... Oh Linda are you depriving them of a traditional British Christmas cake,laced with brandy, not to mention the mixed dried fruit that would have fermented when mixed with the sugar? Tut Tut ( only joking) one year, I'll actually manage to make a Christmas Cake....one year...(and no, I wouldn't send it to work or school either)...the suspicion that no one in my family would like it other than maybe Simon is a bit of a deterrent though.. (he was the only one who liked Christmas pudding)
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Post by hennybutton on Mar 18, 2015 17:00:17 GMT
C'mon. The blogger who posted the recipe says that they're "seriously boozy". One cup of dark ale in a batch of cupcakes is a lot. It can't even be compared to a teaspoon of vanilla extract. (I've seen very few recipes that call for more than a teaspoon of vanilla.)
No, I wouldn't send them to school with my kid. I also wouldn't eat them at work.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 17:01:33 GMT
My recipe for the cupcakes call for 1 bottle of Guinness, to be cooked in a saucepan while melting butter and the cocoa.
All the Guinness does is add a deep flavour to the butter and chocolate.
This is my only recipe for chocolate cupcakes. Everybody loves them.
There is one (1) tablespoon of Bailey's in the icing. For 24 cupcakes. That is hardly a lot of booze for anyone. Simply add some flavour to the Buttercream frosting.
St. Paddy's day is ONCE A YEAR! Certain people don't want to consume any alcohol for various reasons. Not to mention there is zero tolerance for it in schools.
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Post by quiltz on Mar 18, 2015 17:06:36 GMT
Well them make sure that the cough syrup doesn't have any alcohol in it. Some of the script versions do have a form of alcohol in them.
I am out of this thread.
To live a life where absolutely no coffee and absolutely no alcohol in this day & age seems rather far out to me.
But then, I don't know any LDS people. Not a huge religion where I live.
So much for the lemoncello in my lemon pie and no kaluha in my coffee cake.
Each to their own.
And remember to NOT accept the yummy home-made vanilla extract that someone made for you as a Christmas gift.
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Post by lucyg on Mar 18, 2015 17:14:43 GMT
Well them make sure that the cough syrup doesn't have any alcohol in it. Some of the script versions do have a form of alcohol in them.
I am out of this thread.
To live a life where absolutely no coffee and absolutely no alcohol in this day & age seems rather far out to me.
But then, I don't know any LDS people. Not a huge religion where I live.
So much for the lemoncello in my lemon pie and no kaluha in my coffee cake.
Each to their own.
And remember to NOT accept the yummy home-made vanilla extract that someone made for you as a Christmas gift. WTF?? Why are you so angry over other people who choose not to drink?
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 18, 2015 17:15:16 GMT
C'mon. The blogger who posted the recipe says that they're "seriously boozy". One cup of dark ale in a batch of cupcakes is a lot. It can't even be compared to a teaspoon of vanilla extract. (I've seen very few recipes that call for more than a teaspoon of vanilla.) No, I wouldn't send them to school with my kid. I also wouldn't eat them at work. Of course you can compare them - it's just math after all! Guinness is 4% alcohol. Vanilla extract is mandated by law to be minimum of 30% and most are in the 35-40% range. 1 cup = 48 teaspoons. 4% of 48 = 1.92 teaspoons. 1 teaspoon of vanilla extract at 40% alcohol would be .4 teaspoons. Now my ultimate vanilla cupcake has 2 teaspoons - for half the number of cupcakes, so in that case 1.6 versus 1.92 teaspoons.
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Post by gryroagain on Mar 18, 2015 17:17:18 GMT
The Muslims I know don't use vanilla extract/cough syrup with alcohol/ etc. The Mormons I know use those things.
I think both are goofy, but I am atheist and find religion in general goofy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 17:20:14 GMT
Is this the David Leibovitz recipe? It is really good recipe, I made them with my 13 year old last year. She loved the Bailey's frosting. I fed them to my kids and to a couple of kids with laid back parents. I agree with you about not sending them to school because of the appearance of impropriety. I'm not sure - I found a million of them on pininterest that were basically the same. I used this one: www.browneyedbaker.com/irish-car-bomb-cupcakes/Although I did not add whisky to the ganache - I love ganache and don't love whisky so feared it would muck it up. I made these and had the same reservations about the whiskey but added it and it was yummy!
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 18, 2015 17:23:21 GMT
I'm not sure - I found a million of them on pininterest that were basically the same. I used this one: www.browneyedbaker.com/irish-car-bomb-cupcakes/Although I did not add whisky to the ganache - I love ganache and don't love whisky so feared it would muck it up. I made these and had the same reservations about the whiskey but added it and it was yummy! Maybe next time - but then what do I do with all the left over whisky?
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Post by compwalla on Mar 18, 2015 17:26:29 GMT
Maybe next time - but then what do I do with all the left over whisky? Bread pudding with caramelized whisky sauce. Duh.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 17:29:15 GMT
The Muslims I know don't use vanilla extract/cough syrup with alcohol/ etc. The Mormons I know use those things. I think both are goofy, but I am atheist and find religion in general goofy. It isn't always about religion. People can be allergic to alcohol or recovering alcoholics.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 18, 2015 17:29:59 GMT
The Muslims I know don't use vanilla extract/cough syrup with alcohol/ etc. The Mormons I know use those things. I think both are goofy, but I am atheist and find religion in general goofy. Interesting. I have an easier time understanding the total abstaining - I had a good friend growing up who was Hindu. I knew their family completely abstained from all beef products. It would have been odd for me if they made an exception for beef broth. But then I suppose that explains why I'm mostly agnostic.
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