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Post by quiltz on Mar 18, 2015 14:23:23 GMT
kinds of food that are available to all to eat.
I really was surprised by the over-reaction over the cupcakes.
However, there is a lot of alcohol used in cooking, such as beer batter fish. The flavour is great.
Would you abstain from eating this fish?
What about a stew that has 1 cup of red wine in it? Will you let your children eat stew?
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Post by anxiousmom on Mar 18, 2015 14:28:32 GMT
What about a stew that has 1 cup of red wine in it? Will you let your children eat stew?
Since I use wine to cook with regularly, I would have to go with yes. But that is me, and as long as the kid(s) aren't sneaking shots of it while I am busy elsewhere, I'm good. They are teenagers and my guess is that if they are trying to sneak alcohol, the wine I buy for cooking isn't really going to rev their motors.
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Post by gar on Mar 18, 2015 14:37:57 GMT
.....Heading over to read about over reactions to cup cakes! Who knew?!
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Post by Gennifer on Mar 18, 2015 14:38:44 GMT
Yes, I cook with alcohol, and I don't have any issue with my kids eating that food. I *do* have issue with another parent making that decision for me, particularly with an uncooked frosting that has a large quantity of alcohol.
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Post by Skellinton on Mar 18, 2015 14:47:57 GMT
Yes, I cook with alcohol, and I don't have any issue with my kids eating that food. I *do* have issue with another parent making that decision for me, particularly with an uncooked frosting that has a large quantity of alcohol. Clearly I need to check the thread, but the recipe I have for those cupcakes has 1/4 cup go alcohol but frosts 36 cupcakes and still gives me leftovers. There can't be more than a teaspoon in eAch portion of frosting, I am seriously curious as to what the cut off would be. i think when you cook with food the alcohol burns off, so that shouldn't count. Although my kids didn't like the salmon I poached with wine (in fact, one child insists 15 years later that I tried to kill him with that dish!), they didn't even notice it in other recipes.
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Post by grinningcat on Mar 18, 2015 14:49:45 GMT
I stopped reading the thread after a few posts (because I think people were overreacting) but now I have to go see how the thread unfolded after that.
ETA: Holy overreactions Batman!
And beer batter is the only kind of batter that actually tastes good. Non-beer batters are just a waste of time. Even I (someone who has strong opinions on alcohol consumption) thinks that cooking with alcohol is no big deal and gives a lot of flavour to the dish.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Mar 18, 2015 14:50:51 GMT
I don't cook with wine or beer not because I'm against it, but because I never have it on hand. I don't like the taste of most alcohol including wine. I don't worry about my kids having things cooked with alcohol though. One of my youngest dd's favorite foods is wine chicken, so when I first had it there was wine in it. I just use chicken broth. To me there is a difference between what I do with my own children and what I do or give someone else's child. Other people may not want their child to have any alcohol and that is their choice NOT mine. Go ahead and send your 13 yr old over and I'll teach them how to play Cards Against Humanity .
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Post by Dalai Mama on Mar 18, 2015 14:53:51 GMT
Yes, I cook with alcohol, and I don't have any issue with my kids eating that food. I *do* have issue with another parent making that decision for me, particularly with an uncooked frosting that has a large quantity of alcohol. Clearly I need to check the thread, but the recipe I have for those cupcakes has 1/4 cup go alcohol but frosts 36 cupcakes and still gives me leftovers. There can't be more than a teaspoon in eAch portion of frosting, I am seriously curious as to what the cut off would be. i think when you cook with food the alcohol burns off, so that shouldn't count. Although my kids didn't like the salmon I poached with wine (in fact, one child insists 15 years later that I tried to kill him with that dish!), they didn't even notice it in other recipes. Not as much as previously thought. I have no problem serving it to my kids - bourbon and rum cakes, wine-based sauces, Guinness stew, no problem - but I'm not going to serve it to someone else's kid.
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Post by Peamac on Mar 18, 2015 14:54:14 GMT
I don't cook with wine or alcohol and don't drink. I wouldn't eat beer-bettered fish. There was a link on the other thread about how much alcohol is left in food, and that it doesn't actually all "cook out". I've seen other articles/studies on it saying the same thing.
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Mar 18, 2015 15:03:41 GMT
I would serve dishes made with alcohol to my own family. We have no allergies/restrictions regarding alcohol.
I would not take dishes made with alcohol to a child's classroom where I did not know what dietary/religious/parental restrictions the children might have regarding alcohol.
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Post by littlemama on Mar 18, 2015 15:05:34 GMT
kinds of food that are available to all to eat.
I really was surprised by the over-reaction over the cupcakes.
However, there is a lot of alcohol used in cooking, such as beer batter fish. The flavour is great.
Would you abstain from eating this fish?
What about a stew that has 1 cup of red wine in it? Will you let your children eat stew?
What I choose to allow my child to eat at home is irrelevant to the question of whether it is appropriate to send cupcakes made with alcohol to school. At home, I would allow my child to eat the Guinness cupcakes, beer battered fish and stew with wine. None of these are appropriate to send to school for other children to eat. That is their parents' choice.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 18, 2015 15:11:18 GMT
The part that I am still struggling with is one of the MOST common baking ingredients is a minimum of 30% of alcohol by volume (vanilla extract). I just looked up the recipe for my ultimate vanilla cupcake frosting. 2 teaspoons of extract for 12 cupcakes. As the extract has 2-3x the amount of alcohol as Bailey's they're actually HIGHER in alcohol content than the Bailey's ones. I completely understand the perception issue - it's essentially alcohol marketing to kids, which I totally understand a parent being against. BUT from a purely alcohol standpoint I still don't get it - most baked goods have trace amounts of alcohol in them. I guess I shouldn't be surprised though. I was reading the comments about a chicken dish once that called for a cup of white wine. A commenter asked if she could substitute Marsala for the white wine as she doesn't drink alcohol. How substituting something with twice the amount of alcohol is better doesn't make sense to me, but clearly did to her.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 18, 2015 15:11:50 GMT
I don't cook with wine or alcohol and don't drink. I wouldn't eat beer-bettered fish. There was a link on the other thread about how much alcohol is left in food, and that it doesn't actually all "cook out". I've seen other articles/studies on it saying the same thing. Do you use vanilla extract?
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Post by Scrapbrat on Mar 18, 2015 15:15:51 GMT
The other thread wasn't really about whether you'd let your kids eat those kinds of things. It was about whether they should be brought to school, and that isn't the same thing at all.
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Post by Crack-a-lackin on Mar 18, 2015 15:18:09 GMT
IMO the issue with the cupcakes is 1) they were to be sent to school (zero tolerance policies), and 2) they were to be given to other children without parental consent. It isn't really about how much alcohol is remaining after they bake.
It may look like an overreaction to some since there really isn't much alcohol and most of us would let our children eat them. But it's the principle. My child, my choice.
To answer your question though, I let my dd eat food cooked with alcohol. However I did think twice about it when she was very young. There were a few dishes I chose not to give to her just in case the alcohol did not all burn out. In the same way I don't serve food cooked with alcohol when I have alcoholic family members over.
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Post by cmpeter on Mar 18, 2015 15:19:50 GMT
i cook with alcohol and don't have an issue with my kids eating that food. But, I am not going to take cupcakes flavored with alcohol to an elementary school. I can see it now "hey mom we had the best beer cupcakes at school today. Mrs Cmpeter brought them."
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Post by Dalai Mama on Mar 18, 2015 15:23:05 GMT
The part that I am still struggling with is one of the MOST common baking ingredients is a minimum of 30% of alcohol by volume (vanilla extract). I just looked up the recipe for my ultimate vanilla cupcake frosting. 2 teaspoons of extract for 12 cupcakes. As the extract has 2-3x the amount of alcohol as Bailey's they're actually HIGHER in alcohol content than the Bailey's ones. I completely understand the perception issue - it's essentially alcohol marketing to kids, which I totally understand a parent being against. BUT from a purely alcohol standpoint I still don't get it - most baked goods have trace amounts of alcohol in them. I guess I shouldn't be surprised though. I was reading the comments about a chicken dish once that called for a cup of white wine. A commenter asked if she could substitute Marsala for the white wine as she doesn't drink alcohol. How substituting something with twice the amount of alcohol is better doesn't make sense to me, but clearly did to her. You know what? That's an excellent point.
I think, for me, it's the 'freak out' factor that I just can't be bothered with. It's not logical to have no problem using vanilla extract but not a comparable amount of stout. But I've learned that people can be strange and I'm not willing to hand the teacher that kind of headache when all I'm trying to do is something nice for my kid's class.
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Post by Gennifer on Mar 18, 2015 15:23:44 GMT
Seriously. It's not about the alcohol, it's about my right as the parent to make the decision. It was the same thing for me with the sidewalk cupcakes... I would totally feed them to my kid, however, YOU don't get to decide to feed them to my kid.
Here are some other examples: I might allow my child to pierce their ears, but you can't take my child to pierce their ears. I might allow my child to ride a motorcycle, you can't make that decision without asking me. I might choose to buy condoms for my kid, but you'd better not.
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Post by quiltz on Mar 18, 2015 15:25:25 GMT
The other thread wasn't really about whether you'd let your kids eat those kinds of things. It was about whether they should be brought to school, and that isn't the same thing at all. What about a chili pot-luck? Usually the ingredients are 'secret'. I add a bottle of Guinness to my chili. It cooks for a very long time. This would be served "to the public".
Honestly, I feel that there are a lot of 'control issues' in North America. Europeans & the United Kingdom & Ireland are, in my opinion, a bit more relaxed about cooking with some kind of alcohol.
I don't cook with wine or beer not because I'm against it, but because I never have it on hand. I don't like the taste of most alcohol including wine. I don't worry about my kids having things cooked with alcohol though. One of my youngest dd's favorite foods is wine chicken, so when I first had it there was wine in it. I just use chicken broth. To me there is a difference between what I do with my own children and what I do or give someone else's child. Other people may not want their child to have any alcohol and that is their choice NOT mine. Go ahead and send your 13 yr old over and I'll teach them how to play Cards Against Humanity .
My child is 33 and can play Cards Against Humanity in their own home, with their own friends. I will let them decide if they want to teach this game to their children.
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Post by Crack-a-lackin on Mar 18, 2015 15:26:50 GMT
Vanilla extract is not illegal for children to purchase. That's the difference for me. It's not about how much remains after baking.
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Post by padresfan619 on Mar 18, 2015 15:30:54 GMT
All this thread has done is made me want beer battered fish & chips for dinner!
I cook often with different beer and wine. Just yesterday I made a bratwurst link for lunch and boiled it in beer before I set it on the grill. I've been eating bratwurst like that since I was a kid. I also love Pioneer Woman's whiskey and apricot jam chicken.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Mar 18, 2015 15:31:46 GMT
My sister makes these chocolate rum truffles at Christmastime every year. One year her kids (young teenagers at the time) got pretty buzzed off of them and she had to hide the rest until she was ready to give them away so they wouldn't eat them all! I never liked them because they taste too boozy for me but a lot of people like them.
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Post by Kerri W on Mar 18, 2015 15:32:19 GMT
I think, for me, it's the 'freak out' factor that I just can't be bothered with. It's not logical to have no problem using vanilla extract but not a comparable amount of stout. But I've learned that people can be strange and I'm not willing to hand the teacher that kind of headache when all I'm trying to do is something nice for my kid's class.
That's exactly where I am. I feed my kids food with alcohol in it. I let them taste alcohol that I am drinking. But it is MY choice and shouldn't be the choice of a random parent at their school. And I'm *positive* most peakids are WAY more mature than mine, but MY middle schoolers would have been all "We had BEER cupcakes. I feel drunk! Hey Billy, don't you feel drunk too?" and mass idioticty would ensue. Not something I need to give the teacher to deal with if there are other choices.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 18, 2015 15:36:21 GMT
Vanilla extract is not illegal for children to purchase. That's the difference for me. It's not about how much remains after baking. FYI cooking wine isn't illegal for children to purchase either.
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Mar 18, 2015 15:37:04 GMT
The people who are strictly against alcohol in all forms are quite aware of the non-alcohol alternatives to vanilla extract. They can have their cupcakes and eat them, too.
These folks do their very best to avoid ingesting alcohol, and that means not giving their kids foods that have wine, beer or other alcoholic beverages as ingredients. Their kid, their call.
And while I'm normally a champion eyeroller when it comes to what some folks do with/to/for their kids, refusing to feed a child food made with alcoholic beverages doesn't even make me blink.
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Post by bc2ca on Mar 18, 2015 15:41:34 GMT
The other thread wasn't really about whether you'd let your kids eat those kinds of things. It was about whether they should be brought to school, and that isn't the same thing at all. What about a chili pot-luck? Usually the ingredients are 'secret'. I add a bottle of Guinness to my chili. It cooks for a very long time. This would be served "to the public".
Honestly, I feel that there are a lot of 'control issues' in North America. Europeans & the United Kingdom & Ireland are, in my opinion, a bit more relaxed about cooking with some kind of alcohol.
I wouldn't include alcohol in a recipe that I was taking to a potluck for a lot of reasons, and I do cater to my guests when I have people over for dinner. Dear LDS friends would not appreciate wine in the risotto, beer in the chili, tequilla in the Marguerita Pie or coffee in my chocolate cake. I leave it out or make something else. I also cater to vegetarian friends and gluten-free friends. I didn't get an over reaction impression on the other thread - what I took away is most were relaxed about serving them at home, but wouldn't send them to school.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Mar 18, 2015 15:42:51 GMT
Risotto without wine is just cheesy rice.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 18, 2015 15:45:28 GMT
The people who are strictly against alcohol in all forms are quite aware of the non-alcohol alternatives to vanilla extract. They can have their cupcakes and eat them, too. These folks do their very best to avoid ingesting alcohol, and that means not giving their kids foods that have wine, beer or other alcoholic beverages as ingredients. Their kid, their call. And while I'm normally a champion eyeroller when it comes to what some folks do with/to/for their kids, refusing to feed a child food made with alcoholic beverages doesn't even make me blink. I don't think anyone is questioning people's right to do what they want with their kids - I'm merely trying to understand the distinctions. I'm sure there are many, many families who don't allow their kids to have ANY food not produced at home because of religious, allergy or their own reasons. I was just trying to wrap my head around they idea that one alcoholic ingredient is acceptable, but one isn't. If it's the marketing - I understand completely and acknowledged that at the beginning. But there were several posters who were adamant that the were teetotalers for religious reasons, but vanilla extract was different. That was the part I didn't understand.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Mar 18, 2015 15:48:59 GMT
The people who are strictly against alcohol in all forms are quite aware of the non-alcohol alternatives to vanilla extract. They can have their cupcakes and eat them, too. These folks do their very best to avoid ingesting alcohol, and that means not giving their kids foods that have wine, beer or other alcoholic beverages as ingredients. Their kid, their call. And while I'm normally a champion eyeroller when it comes to what some folks do with/to/for their kids, refusing to feed a child food made with alcoholic beverages doesn't even make me blink. ^^^that may be true, but it sounds like quite a few 'regular' people don't really comprehend just how much alcohol is in flavoring extracts- and how large the % of alcohol is- compared to the % alcohol in a beer. --and I really wonder if everyone who says they are against alcohol of any sort really DO know about vanilla, or think to ask about it if they're, say, at a bakery, or at a restaurant: "did you use vanilla extract in this frosting, or a vanilla bean, because that makes a difference to me?" or at a restaurant, "does the chef use any wine in the sauce for this chicken, because if he does, I can't order that item." Maybe some people actually do, but unless the name of the entrée has 'wine' as part of the dish's name, or 'Guinness' as part of the name for the cupcakes, for example, do people really think to ask?
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Post by Grom Pea on Mar 18, 2015 16:52:04 GMT
All this thread has done is made me want beer battered fish & chips for dinner! I cook often with different beer and wine. Just yesterday I made a bratwurst link for lunch and boiled it in beer before I set it on the grill. I've been eating bratwurst like that since I was a kid. I also love Pioneer Woman's whiskey and apricot jam chicken. Have you been to Shakespeare's pub near little Italy? They have some good fish with proper chips just don't ask for fries or they will give you shoe string fries In my opinion I'd let my kids eat these foods but as other posters have said I don't feel I have the right to make that decision for children that are not my own. Personally I'm surprised the other post has a school where home made food is even allowed on school grounds much less food with alcohol in the title (said tongue in cheek).
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