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Post by gmcwife1 on Mar 18, 2015 16:55:53 GMT
kinds of food that are available to all to eat.
I really was surprised by the over-reaction over the cupcakes.
However, there is a lot of alcohol used in cooking, such as beer batter fish. The flavour is great.
Would you abstain from eating this fish?
What about a stew that has 1 cup of red wine in it? Will you let your children eat stew?
What I choose to allow my child to eat at home is irrelevant to the question of whether it is appropriate to send cupcakes made with alcohol to school. At home, I would allow my child to eat the Guinness cupcakes, beer battered fish and stew with wine. None of these are appropriate to send to school for other children to eat. That is their parents' choice.That's the point that most of us are trying to make and do agree on There are just a few others that want to debate the amount, the reason or whatever else they can think of. But if it was something that went against their choice they would be all over their child their choice and don't you dare do it!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 16:58:14 GMT
You know some people HAVE to avoid all alcohol for various reasons. Allergies, recovering alcoholic, religion, ect. My home is a dry home for one of those reasons. No we don't cook with alcohol at all and we are very careful when out. You can get alcohol free flavorings such as vanilla. It is not difficult.
For us it is not about kids at all. But in the other theead it was. There is zero tolerance in most schools. Why is it such a big deal to keep the cupcakes at home?
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Post by padresfan619 on Mar 18, 2015 17:02:15 GMT
All this thread has done is made me want beer battered fish & chips for dinner! I cook often with different beer and wine. Just yesterday I made a bratwurst link for lunch and boiled it in beer before I set it on the grill. I've been eating bratwurst like that since I was a kid. I also love Pioneer Woman's whiskey and apricot jam chicken. Have you been to Shakespeare's pub near little Italy? They have some good fish with proper chips just don't ask for fries or they will give you shoe string fries In my opinion I'd let my kids eat these foods but as other posters have said I don't feel I have the right to make that decision for children that are not my own. Personally I'm surprised the other post has a school where home made food is even allowed on school grounds much less food with alcohol in the title (said tongue in cheek). I was just there on Friday with my british father-in-law!
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Post by raindancer on Mar 18, 2015 17:05:21 GMT
The people who are strictly against alcohol in all forms are quite aware of the non-alcohol alternatives to vanilla extract. They can have their cupcakes and eat them, too. These folks do their very best to avoid ingesting alcohol, and that means not giving their kids foods that have wine, beer or other alcoholic beverages as ingredients. Their kid, their call. And while I'm normally a champion eyeroller when it comes to what some folks do with/to/for their kids, refusing to feed a child food made with alcoholic beverages doesn't even make me blink. ^^^that may be true, but it sounds like quite a few 'regular' people don't really comprehend just how much alcohol is in flavoring extracts- and how large the % of alcohol is- compared to the % alcohol in a beer. --and I really wonder if everyone who says they are against alcohol of any sort really DO know about vanilla, or think to ask about it if they're, say, at a bakery, or at a restaurant: "did you use vanilla extract in this frosting, or a vanilla bean, because that makes a difference to me?" or at a restaurant, "does the chef use any wine in the sauce for this chicken, because if he does, I can't order that item." Maybe some people actually do, but unless the name of the entrée has 'wine' as part of the dish's name, or 'Guinness' as part of the name for the cupcakes, for example, do people really think to ask? I agree. I grew up LDS and they are staunch non-drinkers, and not once have I ever encountered a single person ask these types of questions. (I have a HUGE mormon family and lots of friends too). Additionally we only ever had imitation vanilla growing up because it was too expensive, not because of alcohol content. We had imitation *everything* for this reason. My sister is very religious and uses real extracts now. I know she knows whats in them too, but the belief about cooking out is very pervasive.
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Post by epeanymous on Mar 18, 2015 17:06:32 GMT
Huh. I may have to rethink. Honestly, here is my philosophy -- I would't serve Guinness cupcakes to someone else's kid, not because I think there is any actual problem with it, but because "Guinness cupcakes" *sound* obviously alcoholic. I don't think I would even think twice about serving someone else's child risotto that had some wine cooked into because it isn't called "chardonnay risotto" or whatever.
Obviously, I have principles. Principles!
Fortunately while I do occasionally send in cupcakes, I have yet to be called upon to send in a risotto to an elementary school. But, in light of this thread, I am going to have to do some serious self-reflection (although I am not giving the issue more than three minutes, as a head's up) on the question of whether or not I need to worry about cooking any alcohol into food that doesn't have alcohol in its title that I serve to other people's children in my own home.
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Post by Skellinton on Mar 18, 2015 17:07:04 GMT
Seriously. It's not about the alcohol, it's about my right as the parent to make the decision. It was the same thing for me with the sidewalk cupcakes... I would totally feed them to my kid, however, YOU don't get to decide to feed them to my kid. Here are some other examples: I might allow my child to pierce their ears, but you can't take my child to pierce their ears. I might allow my child to ride a motorcycle, you can't make that decision without asking me. I might choose to buy condoms for my kid, but you'd better not. So, if your kid goes to a play date are they not allowed to eat anything while there? What about a sleepover? My kids didn't drink juice (except for real oj) at home growing up, they drank milk or water. I am sure at many a play date they drank Capri suns or other juice boxes. That is not at all the same thing as someone passing out condoms or letting them ride a Harley, which in turn is not the same as letting them eat a cupcake.
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Post by raindancer on Mar 18, 2015 17:09:25 GMT
Seriously. It's not about the alcohol, it's about my right as the parent to make the decision. It was the same thing for me with the sidewalk cupcakes... I would totally feed them to my kid, however, YOU don't get to decide to feed them to my kid. Here are some other examples: I might allow my child to pierce their ears, but you can't take my child to pierce their ears. I might allow my child to ride a motorcycle, you can't make that decision without asking me. I might choose to buy condoms for my kid, but you'd better not. I see your point but it's also flawed. My aunt did not allow her children to eat sugar. In any form. Ever. (Even camping as kids her kids could not have s'mores, and I'm not even kidding). My dd's friend has a dentist father, who also allows no sugar ever. Do you take that into consideration when you send treats to school? Is it your place? Is it that child's problem then to say "no thanks I'm not allowed to eat that"? I think that in this world with all of the accommodations around food we already have to consider, if alcohol in food is truly and issue for you then you need to make that your issue, you teach your kid about it and tell them to ask. I don't think it is unreasonable to have to ask if food was prepared with alcohol any more than it is unreasonable for them to ask about peanuts.
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Post by Skellinton on Mar 18, 2015 17:11:14 GMT
Vanilla extract is not illegal for children to purchase. That's the difference for me. It's not about how much remains after baking. Ok, what about beer battered fish or chicken? We have a local bakery that sells Bailey's cupcakes. They don't card anyone to buy them. They sell Baileys ice cream at the store. I think if it is legal for a bakery to sell the cupcakes it should be ok.
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Post by pb on Mar 18, 2015 17:12:32 GMT
I used to make cupcakes for band trips and the cross country team and the only alcohol I used was in the vanilla. My LDS relatives know that I cook with wine as does my dad and most of them eat what we serve. Now if some of my more stringent relatives came to dinner I would really think about what I was serving them.
And when I made lasagne for the cross country team I did not pour in the one half cup of wine I normally would because they were not my kids.
I also would not allow my sons to watch James Bond movies when their LDS friends were here and if I knew another friend's parents were particularly religious or strict about what their kids watched, I would call and ask.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 17:14:52 GMT
Seriously. It's not about the alcohol, it's about my right as the parent to make the decision. It was the same thing for me with the sidewalk cupcakes... I would totally feed them to my kid, however, YOU don't get to decide to feed them to my kid. Here are some other examples: I might allow my child to pierce their ears, but you can't take my child to pierce their ears. I might allow my child to ride a motorcycle, you can't make that decision without asking me. I might choose to buy condoms for my kid, but you'd better not. Are you then saying that you don't approve of sending any cupcakes to school whatever they are made of? Because if it isn't about the alcohol, it must be about the actual cakes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 18:03:43 GMT
kinds of food that are available to all to eat.
I really was surprised by the over-reaction over the cupcakes.
However, there is a lot of alcohol used in cooking, such as beer batter fish. The flavour is great.
Would you abstain from eating this fish?
What about a stew that has 1 cup of red wine in it? Will you let your children eat stew?
As hard as it is to believe. We used NO alcohol. It is possible to batter a fish without it being beer batter. Fish can also be cooked without any batter at all. It is possible to make stew without wine.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 18:10:54 GMT
Seriously. It's not about the alcohol, it's about my right as the parent to make the decision. It was the same thing for me with the sidewalk cupcakes... I would totally feed them to my kid, however, YOU don't get to decide to feed them to my kid. Here are some other examples: I might allow my child to pierce their ears, but you can't take my child to pierce their ears. I might allow my child to ride a motorcycle, you can't make that decision without asking me. I might choose to buy condoms for my kid, but you'd better not. So, if your kid goes to a play date are they not allowed to eat anything while there? What about a sleepover? My kids didn't drink juice (except for real oj) at home growing up, they drank milk or water. I am sure at many a play date they drank Capri suns or other juice boxes. That is not at all the same thing as someone passing out condoms or letting them ride a Harley, which in turn is not the same as letting them eat a cupcake. Play dates were restricted to people who either held our same beliefs on no alcohol use or understood and respected our stance and were willing to be mindful of what was on the menu while my kids were there.
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Post by Linda on Mar 18, 2015 18:21:31 GMT
I cook with alcohol MUCH more often than I actually drink alcohol to be honest.
That said - if I was serving someone other than my immediate family- I would either cook something without alcohol or I would check in advance that red wine in the stew or Guinness in the pie or whathaveyou would be ok or would they prefer something else. I don't see that as any different than checking with my guests about food restrictions and accommodating them.
Vanilla extract - I do use real extract and I don't really stress about it the way I would about wine or beer or whiskey...because it's a common ingredient in baked goods and if someone had a real concern about it (religion or allergy or alcoholism etc...), it's a reasonable expectation that it might be in baked goods (just as if I was allergic to eggs, I would assume baked goods contained eggs unless I verified otherwise). Wine or beer in dinner or baked goods isn't as common - plenty of people make stew or spaghetti sauce without it - so the reasonable exception would be that the item is alcohol-free unless otherwise specified. I have a reasonable expectation that my brownies don't contain rum unless they have a name like Captain Morgan's Brownies.
I wouldn't bring a dessert or a main dish which contained alcohol (beyond the vanilla in a baked good) to a potluck type event unless it was a small gathering of people who I knew would ALL be okay with that. So potluck at my mum's house for family only - sure, fair game. Potluck at school or church or work? Nope
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Post by Tamhugh on Mar 18, 2015 18:38:24 GMT
I haven't read the other thread yet, but this one is making me have huge attacks of guilt.
On Sunday, my sister, her DH, and my mom were going to come over for dinner. They knew that I was making Guinness Stew and Shepherd's Pie. After I had already started cooking, my sister called and asked if it was okay if my niece and her friend could join us (niece is 18, friend is 17). I said sure. They came over and I know the friend had two bowls of the stew. I never thought about the fact that there was beer in it. It cooked all day in a slow cooker and I always believed that the alcohol cooks out. I had never met this girl before and I don't know her parents. I am sure that my sister never thought about it either.
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Post by Lovebug2867 on Mar 18, 2015 18:58:13 GMT
The part that I am still struggling with is one of the MOST common baking ingredients is a minimum of 30% of alcohol by volume (vanilla extract). I just looked up the recipe for my ultimate vanilla cupcake frosting. 2 teaspoons of extract for 12 cupcakes. As the extract has 2-3x the amount of alcohol as Bailey's they're actually HIGHER in alcohol content than the Bailey's ones. I completely understand the perception issue - it's essentially alcohol marketing to kids, which I totally understand a parent being against. BUT from a purely alcohol standpoint I still don't get it - most baked goods have trace amounts of alcohol in them. I guess I shouldn't be surprised though. I was reading the comments about a chicken dish once that called for a cup of white wine. A commenter asked if she could substitute Marsala for the white wine as she doesn't drink alcohol. How substituting something with twice the amount of alcohol is better doesn't make sense to me, but clearly did to her. Just bringing up a point you missed here. Not all Vanilla extracts have alcohol in them. The one I use doesn't. I use Vanilla Paste. (not because I don't want the alcohol but because I like it better lol)
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Post by moveablefeast on Mar 18, 2015 19:19:58 GMT
I know a family who completely avoids alcohol and only used flavoring ingredients that are nonalcoholic. You can get nonalcoholic vanilla at the grocery store.
For most families I know who don't consume alcohol, they don't avoid vanilla extract or use nonalcoholic versions, but they do avoid alcoholic beverages in any quantity. Vanilla is not an intoxicating substance, but beer is. It is usually not about alcohol alone but about intoxicating substances in general, which covers the distinction between the alcohol in vanilla and the alcohol in beer or liqueur and explains why Guinness in a cupcake wouldn't be okay but vanilla extract would be fine.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Mar 18, 2015 19:39:20 GMT
so are you saying that vanilla extract (made with alcohol) couldn't get someone drunk?? what is the definition of 'intoxicating substance'?? I've never heard that distinction before...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 20:12:10 GMT
I have cooked with beer a few times and *gasp* fed the food to my boys! I use a porter in my roast and then use the drippings to make a gravy. DH swears he can't taste it. I can a little bit. The boys don't care for gravy but they never seem to notice the difference if I use water or the porter when I make the roast. Same with a beer marinade for chicken. However, my attitude towards alcohol is very liberal.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 20:18:50 GMT
I know a family who completely avoids alcohol and only used flavoring ingredients that are nonalcoholic. You can get nonalcoholic vanilla at the grocery store. For most families I know who don't consume alcohol, they don't avoid vanilla extract or use nonalcoholic versions, but they do avoid alcoholic beverages in any quantity. Vanilla is not an intoxicating substance, but beer is. It is usually not about alcohol alone but about intoxicating substances in general, which covers the distinction between the alcohol in vanilla and the alcohol in beer or liqueur and explains why Guinness in a cupcake wouldn't be okay but vanilla extract would be fine. I think you'd need to consume a few hundred if not a few thousand of Guinness cupcakes/Bailey's frosting to get intoxicated.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 18, 2015 20:28:42 GMT
I know a family who completely avoids alcohol and only used flavoring ingredients that are nonalcoholic. You can get nonalcoholic vanilla at the grocery store. For most families I know who don't consume alcohol, they don't avoid vanilla extract or use nonalcoholic versions, but they do avoid alcoholic beverages in any quantity. Vanilla is not an intoxicating substance, but beer is. It is usually not about alcohol alone but about intoxicating substances in general, which covers the distinction between the alcohol in vanilla and the alcohol in beer or liqueur and explains why Guinness in a cupcake wouldn't be okay but vanilla extract would be fine. Huh? Hops aren't an intoxicating substance neither is cream. I just can't follow this logic. Vanilla extract is actually on the lower side of some - Peppermint is almost 93% alcohol - you're saying because the peppermint isn't intoxicating that would be okay? And to the poster above - I am well aware that you can buy non-alcoholic vanilla - but most don't, and I was trying to understand the logic of the differentiation. . And as an aside, most imitation vanilla is also usually made with alcohol (they just use an artificial flavoring to substitute for real vanilla, but it's still alcohol based. Although again, one CAN buy it non-alcoholic).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 20:45:45 GMT
I know a family who completely avoids alcohol and only used flavoring ingredients that are nonalcoholic. You can get nonalcoholic vanilla at the grocery store. For most families I know who don't consume alcohol, they don't avoid vanilla extract or use nonalcoholic versions, but they do avoid alcoholic beverages in any quantity. Vanilla is not an intoxicating substance, but beer is. It is usually not about alcohol alone but about intoxicating substances in general, which covers the distinction between the alcohol in vanilla and the alcohol in beer or liqueur and explains why Guinness in a cupcake wouldn't be okay but vanilla extract would be fine. Huh? Hops aren't an intoxicating substance neither is cream. I just can't follow this logic. Vanilla extract is actually on the lower side of some - Peppermint is almost 93% alcohol - you're saying because the peppermint isn't intoxicating that would be okay? And to the poster above - I am well aware that you can buy non-alcoholic vanilla - but most don't, and I was trying to understand the logic of the differentiation. . And as an aside, most imitation vanilla is also usually made with alcohol (they just use an artificial flavoring to substitute for real vanilla, but it's still alcohol based. Although again, one CAN buy it non-alcoholic). In my life I've only known 3 other people who were so bend on "understanding" and "can't follow the logic" All three were admitted alcoholics. Your inability to see a gray area has me seriously considering the likelihood you are an alcoholic. Flavorings were never meant to consumption in quantities to give a buzz or relax someone. Beer and wines are. Desserts and other foods are developed to market alcohol thats main purpose is for drinking. I don't want my child developing a taste for beer/wine. That is not hard to understand unless you have a drinking issue and feel everyone must drink in order to make your consumption seem more normal.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 18, 2015 20:58:32 GMT
Huh? Hops aren't an intoxicating substance neither is cream. I just can't follow this logic. Vanilla extract is actually on the lower side of some - Peppermint is almost 93% alcohol - you're saying because the peppermint isn't intoxicating that would be okay? And to the poster above - I am well aware that you can buy non-alcoholic vanilla - but most don't, and I was trying to understand the logic of the differentiation. . And as an aside, most imitation vanilla is also usually made with alcohol (they just use an artificial flavoring to substitute for real vanilla, but it's still alcohol based. Although again, one CAN buy it non-alcoholic). In my life I've only known 3 other people who were so bend on "understanding" and "can't follow the logic" All three were admitted alcoholics. Your inability to see a gray area has me seriously considering the likelihood you are an alcoholic. Flavorings were never meant to consumption in quantities to give a buzz or relax someone. Beer and wines are. Desserts and other foods are developed to market alcohol thats main purpose is for drinking. I don't want my child developing a taste for beer/wine. That is not hard to understand unless you have a drinking issue and feel everyone must drink in order to make your consumption seem more normal. You're hilarious. I started the thread saying I didn't think they should be sent to school. I simply found the subsequent arguments that one's religion forbids alcohol, but because you like Toll House's recipe and are finding a way to justify your vanilla extract habit hypocritical. I find the hypocrisy and twisted arguments hilarious. It's a gray area because it's utterly illogical - but then that's religion for you. The thread did lead me to an even more hilarious LDS board where they were debating the issue. FYI 83% (on that message board) of Mormons see no problem with cooking wine and beer in their food - as it was done for flavor not intoxicating purposes. If you want to abstain - abstain. But if you want to jump on your righteous pedestal about intoxicating substances and the horrors of a cup of beer in 24 cupcakes while justifying extracts - expect others to point out that you're on pretty thin ice logically speaking.
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Post by moveablefeast on Mar 18, 2015 21:06:23 GMT
I know a family who completely avoids alcohol and only used flavoring ingredients that are nonalcoholic. You can get nonalcoholic vanilla at the grocery store. For most families I know who don't consume alcohol, they don't avoid vanilla extract or use nonalcoholic versions, but they do avoid alcoholic beverages in any quantity. Vanilla is not an intoxicating substance, but beer is. It is usually not about alcohol alone but about intoxicating substances in general, which covers the distinction between the alcohol in vanilla and the alcohol in beer or liqueur and explains why Guinness in a cupcake wouldn't be okay but vanilla extract would be fine. I think you'd need to consume a few hundred if not a few thousand of Guinness cupcakes/Bailey's frosting to get intoxicated. Yes. But the belief is not simply that they should not be intoxicated, it ls that they should avoid consuming substances that cause intoxication, in any quantity at all. So the problem is not that a person would get drunk off a Guinness cupcake, the problem is that a person with this belief would violate his conscience by consuming the tiny amount of Guinness in the cupcake. I don't share this belief. I drink sometimes. I had two Angry Orchards last night. I even have a Guinness cupcake from the neighborhood cupcake shop sitting in my car ready to be eaten - with whiskey pastry cream and Guinness glaze on it (ETA the chocolate Guinness cupcake was great! but the baileys frosting was really boozy and not in a good way). But I have friends whose religious practice excludes the avoidance of alcoholic beverages and others whose recovery from alcohol addiction prohibits even the tiniest amount of consumption. But vanilla extract is a flavoring that happens to have alcohol in it, not an alcoholic beverage. It's a pretty simple distinction, really; I guess I'm having a hard time seeing how it's so complicated.
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Post by Skellinton on Mar 18, 2015 21:09:21 GMT
Huh? Hops aren't an intoxicating substance neither is cream. I just can't follow this logic. Vanilla extract is actually on the lower side of some - Peppermint is almost 93% alcohol - you're saying because the peppermint isn't intoxicating that would be okay? And to the poster above - I am well aware that you can buy non-alcoholic vanilla - but most don't, and I was trying to understand the logic of the differentiation. . And as an aside, most imitation vanilla is also usually made with alcohol (they just use an artificial flavoring to substitute for real vanilla, but it's still alcohol based. Although again, one CAN buy it non-alcoholic). In my life I've only known 3 other people who were so bend on "understanding" and "can't follow the logic" All three were admitted alcoholics. Your inability to see a gray area has me seriously considering the likelihood you are an alcoholic. Flavorings were never meant to consumption in quantities to give a buzz or relax someone. Beer and wines are. Desserts and other foods are developed to market alcohol thats main purpose is for drinking. I don't want my child developing a taste for beer/wine. That is not hard to understand unless you have a drinking issue and feel everyone must drink in order to make your consumption seem more normal. To say that desserts and other foods are developed to market alcohol is a huge stretch. The recipes are developed because the alcohol intensifies the flavors of the food they are used in. Just like salt and pepper. The flavors enhance the food. Making food with wine or beer isn't going to necessarily develop a taste for wine or beer. I love the Irish Cream cupcakes, I love chocolate stout bundt cake made with Guinness, I even love beer bread and Guinness stew. Give me a bottle of Guniess to drink and one sip and I am rushing for a cup of water to wash that vile taste out of my mouth. To say that someone doesn't think eating foods with beer or wine is going to give someone a taste for alcohol doesn't mean they have a drinking issue. It also doesn't mean that they want everyone to drink so their consumption feels normal. You make some gigantic leaps in logic here. As I said, I like desserts made with Guinness, I like food cooked with wine. I feed those foods to my friends and family. I don't have a drinking problem I assure you. I drink very rarely, and I don't remember the last time I had more than two glasses of wine or liquor.
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Post by Skellinton on Mar 18, 2015 21:12:26 GMT
I think you'd need to consume a few hundred if not a few thousand of Guinness cupcakes/Bailey's frosting to get intoxicated. Yes. But the belief is not simply that they should not be intoxicated, it ls that they should avoid consuming substances that cause intoxication, in any quantity at all. So the problem is not that a person would get drunk off a Guinness cupcake, the problem is that a person with this belief would violate his conscience by consuming the tiny amount of Guinness in the cupcake. I don't share this belief. I drink sometimes. But I have friends whose religious practice excludes the avoidance of alcoholic beverages and others whose recovery from alcohol addiction prohibits even the tiniest amount of consumption. But vanilla extract is a flavoring that happens to have alcohol in it, not an alcoholic beverage. It's a pretty simple distinction, really; I guess I'm having a hard time seeing how it's so complicated. I love Jesus, but I drink a little linkTotally not making fun, but your post made me think of this!
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Post by genny on Mar 18, 2015 21:12:34 GMT
I use beer in my chili and wine in spaghetti sauce…and found a mean Whiskey BBQ sausage on pinterest I made for some party or another last year. All are big hits and I have no issue with my kids eating any of them… that said it's not like there is more than a 1/4 -1/2 of alcohol in either of those dishes, so per serving it would be a very small amount.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Mar 18, 2015 21:21:07 GMT
seriously-- someone actually wrote that beer and wine's SOLE purpose is to get people intoxicated, and that we who don't agree with that opinion are probably closet alcoholics?? I've never been in a position to saw 'wow. just wow.' to a thread that I've participated on here before, but I guess there's always a first time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 21:30:31 GMT
I think you'd need to consume a few hundred if not a few thousand of Guinness cupcakes/Bailey's frosting to get intoxicated. Yes. But the belief is not simply that they should not be intoxicated, it ls that they should avoid consuming substances that cause intoxication, in any quantity at all. So the problem is not that a person would get drunk off a Guinness cupcake, the problem is that a person with this belief would violate his conscience by consuming the tiny amount of Guinness in the cupcake. I'm not being difficult it's just I want to understand their thinking. What do these people do about communion wine?
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Post by moveablefeast on Mar 18, 2015 21:38:50 GMT
Yes. But the belief is not simply that they should not be intoxicated, it ls that they should avoid consuming substances that cause intoxication, in any quantity at all. So the problem is not that a person would get drunk off a Guinness cupcake, the problem is that a person with this belief would violate his conscience by consuming the tiny amount of Guinness in the cupcake. I'm not being difficult it's just I want to understand their thinking. What do these people do about communion wine? My church uses regular wine for communion and doesn't offer a grape juice alternative, though I think we should (we have a gluten free wafer). A person avoiding alcoholic beverages would usually take the host only or ask for a blessing in lieu of communion, either one being totally acceptable. I serve communion and see that frequently, at least one or two people a service.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 21:40:55 GMT
In my life I've only known 3 other people who were so bend on "understanding" and "can't follow the logic" All three were admitted alcoholics. Your inability to see a gray area has me seriously considering the likelihood you are an alcoholic. Flavorings were never meant to consumption in quantities to give a buzz or relax someone. Beer and wines are. Desserts and other foods are developed to market alcohol thats main purpose is for drinking. I don't want my child developing a taste for beer/wine. That is not hard to understand unless you have a drinking issue and feel everyone must drink in order to make your consumption seem more normal. Ok thanks for the head up I didn't realize that having wine in my beef stew made me a closeted alcoholic!! For what it's worth my normal consumption of wine is usually a glass with a meal maybe once every couple of week if that. I never touch spirits or beer for the simple fact that I don't like the taste of it. I do like beer in cooking but that is there to enhance the flavours of other ingredients. If you can distinctly taste the wine or beer in your cooking then you've used to much. It's there to enhance not overpower!
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