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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 3:16:43 GMT
WTH? What crap is that? A white cop will get away with murder because it happened in SC? When video is available? What BS. That's so offensive to people that choose to live in the south. I live in the Deep South. Do you? I do, and I take the same offense to your post as AnotherPea does. L
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Post by foolana on Apr 8, 2015 3:21:20 GMT
I live in the Deep South. Do you? I do, and I take the same offense to your post as AnotherPea does. L I apologize if I offended you, I didn't mean to. I get very upset when I see these things but it's no excuse to paint everyone in the South will a broad brush. I'm sorry.
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Post by freecharlie on Apr 8, 2015 3:23:25 GMT
I'm a little curious as to where the cell phone owner was that he got that video and the cops didn't see him. He had to have been freaked out.
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Post by nightnurse on Apr 8, 2015 3:39:00 GMT
Is it common practice for the cops to stand there just looking at the victim of a shooting? Not try to turn him on his side to help his breathing, nothing? With the Rice case, the cops just stood there and here I saw both cops in the video do a poor job of attempting to check a carotid pulse but nothing else. You shoot a guy and watch him bleed to death? That's protocol?
I hope this incident is finally the one that catalyzes some changes and removes the carte blanche that police currently have. EVERY officer involved shooting should trigger an independent investigation, with the officer on paid leave undergoing counseling during the investigation. If he/she is found to be negligent or criminal, then he/she would have to pay back the salary but if the shooting was justified, I'd imagine most people would benefit from some time off work to process that. Good cops have to stop making excuses for bad ones because the pubic trust is eroding and cases like this should make even the most pro-police officer people recognize that while the majority of officers are great, those who are bad need to be stopped.
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Post by freecharlie on Apr 8, 2015 3:47:24 GMT
Is it common practice for the cops to stand there just looking at the victim of a shooting? Not try to turn him on his side to help his breathing, nothing? With the Rice case, the cops just stood there and here I saw both cops in the video do a poor job of attempting to check a carotid pulse but nothing else. You shoot a guy and watch him bleed to death? That's protocol? I hope this incident is finally the one that catalyzes some changes and removes the carte blanche that police currently have. EVERY officer involved shooting should trigger an independent investigation, with the officer on paid leave undergoing counseling during the investigation. If he/she is found to be negligent or criminal, then he/she would have to pay back the salary but if the shooting was justified, I'd imagine most people would benefit from some time off work to process that. Good cops have to stop making excuses for bad ones because the pubic trust is eroding and cases like this should make even the most pro-police officer people recognize that while the majority of officers are great, those who are bad need to be stopped. Well in this case, he handcuffed the guy and left him lying dead, face down and handcuffed. I want to believe that MOST cops are good and do their best. I don't know what this guy was doing
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on Apr 8, 2015 3:48:10 GMT
Is it common practice for the cops to stand there just looking at the victim of a shooting? Not try to turn him on his side to help his breathing, nothing? With the Rice case, the cops just stood there and here I saw both cops in the video do a poor job of attempting to check a carotid pulse but nothing else. You shoot a guy and watch him bleed to death? That's protocol? I hope this incident is finally the one that catalyzes some changes and removes the carte blanche that police currently have. EVERY officer involved shooting should trigger an independent investigation, with the officer on paid leave undergoing counseling during the investigation. If he/she is found to be negligent or criminal, then he/she would have to pay back the salary but if the shooting was justified, I'd imagine most people would benefit from some time off work to process that. Good cops have to stop making excuses for bad ones because the pubic trust is eroding and cases like this should make even the most pro-police officer people recognize that while the majority of officers are great, those who are bad need to be stopped. DH is a good cop and he isn't making any excuses for bad cops. In fact in this case he said it was complete bullshit the cop did what he did.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 3:48:54 GMT
I do, and I take the same offense to your post as AnotherPea does. L I apologize if I offended you, I didn't mean to. I get very upset when I see these things but it's no excuse to paint everyone in the South will a broad brush. I'm sorry. Thank you. Apology accepted. I get the upset and I know the South has a 'rep' in matters like this, but it's so not the way I was raised, nor anyone I know. L
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Post by freecharlie on Apr 8, 2015 3:50:47 GMT
Is it common practice for the cops to stand there just looking at the victim of a shooting? Not try to turn him on his side to help his breathing, nothing? With the Rice case, the cops just stood there and here I saw both cops in the video do a poor job of attempting to check a carotid pulse but nothing else. You shoot a guy and watch him bleed to death? That's protocol? I hope this incident is finally the one that catalyzes some changes and removes the carte blanche that police currently have. EVERY officer involved shooting should trigger an independent investigation, with the officer on paid leave undergoing counseling during the investigation. If he/she is found to be negligent or criminal, then he/she would have to pay back the salary but if the shooting was justified, I'd imagine most people would benefit from some time off work to process that. Good cops have to stop making excuses for bad ones because the pubic trust is eroding and cases like this should make even the most pro-police officer people recognize that while the majority of officers are great, those who are bad need to be stopped. DH is a good cop and he isn't making any excuses for bad cops. In fact in this case he said it was complete bullshit the cop did what he did. It pisses me off that this ass is going to make your DH's and other cops jobs harder. People will point to this and say, "look, bad cop. cops are bad." When that isn't the case.
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on Apr 8, 2015 3:56:28 GMT
DH is a good cop and he isn't making any excuses for bad cops. In fact in this case he said it was complete bullshit the cop did what he did. It pisses me off that this ass is going to make your DH's and other cops jobs harder. People will point to this and say, "look, bad cop. cops are bad." When that isn't the case. Exactly. DH said the same exact thing you just said.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 3:56:36 GMT
There is a lot of outrage over this shooting - I don't know why you aren't seeing it, because I sure have been.
It's horrifying that he was shot as he was running away, made worse that he planted the Taser next to the guy after he was dead.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 3:56:53 GMT
Re: whether outrage is actually called for: I guess it's pretty outrageous to me that a trusted official would shoot in cold blood an unarmed man who is running away. It's beyond that if he planted evidence.
Here's something outrageous, what the victim's family said:
That's all they think they're entitled to is the truth? People think the truth about these kinds of things is so hard to get at that it's the most they can hope for - not justice, or even reform, just a clear picture of WTH happened to their dead loved one? That's outrageous to me.
I'm not at the marching and shouting level of outrage over this, but I think the whole thing is plenty outrageous. I hate the idea that this kind of story is getting to be old news. It is a big deal.
ETA I've said outrageous too many times in this post and now it doesn't make sense to me anymore.
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Post by tracylynn on Apr 8, 2015 3:59:28 GMT
Not to minimize this shooting at all, because it's horrific. But do we have to be outraged over everything? The cop was quickly arrested and charged with murder. No hiding behind the shield. No one making excuses. Again, no justification and no defense of the cop. But I believe that being outraged over everything diminishes the effect and numbs people. "Oh yeah, there they are on TV all outraged again." Had the cop not been swiftly dealt with, as stated above, then the outrage would be appropriate. Again, not minimizing the tragedy, injustice and loss. Sometimes you do. When a police officer whose job is to protect and serve flat out murders someone like he did - yes, it's OK to be outraged.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 4:19:46 GMT
If we're not supposed to be outraged over a police officer shooting someone fleeing in the back, planting evidence on him, handcuffing him, leaving him to bleed out with no effort at first aid, and lying about it all... well I don't know what the hell we ARE supposed to be outraged about.
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Post by Rainbow on Apr 8, 2015 5:12:26 GMT
I live in the Deep South. Do you? I do, and I take the same offense to your post as AnotherPea does. L Me too.
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Post by foolana on Apr 8, 2015 5:16:07 GMT
I'm actually not too concerned if rainbow takes offense, though. She offends me with almost every post she writes.
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Post by sean&marysmommy on Apr 8, 2015 5:26:49 GMT
WTH? What crap is that? A white cop will get away with murder because it happened in SC? When video is available? What BS. That's so offensive to people that choose to live in the south. I live in the Deep South. Do you? Not only do I live in the Deep South, but I live in North Charleston, SC, where this murder occurred. Not only that, but my husband is a police officer as well (not for North Charleston, however). And I take offense to your statement. We are not all yahoos and racists. My husband is outraged by this crime. Today was his day off, but when he goes in to work tomorrow, I guarantee that his fellow officers will feel the same way. But I have faith that our justice system will come through for the victim and his family on this one.
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Post by foolana on Apr 8, 2015 5:34:20 GMT
I live in the Deep South. Do you? Not only do I live in the Deep South, but I live in North Charleston, SC, where this murder occurred. Not only that, but my husband is a police officer as well (not for North Charleston, however). And I take offense to your statement. We are not all yahoos and racists. My husband is outraged by this crime. Today was his day off, but when he goes in to work tomorrow, I guarantee that his fellow officers will feel the same way. But I have faith that our justice system will come through for the victim and his family on this one. If you keep reading, you will find my apology for what I said from a little while ago.
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Post by Lindarina on Apr 8, 2015 6:53:05 GMT
This was on the Norwegian news today.
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Post by Sam on Apr 8, 2015 7:03:18 GMT
The story is both in online and tv news reports over here in the UK.
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Post by BarbaraUK on Apr 8, 2015 7:39:12 GMT
The story is both in online and tv news reports over here in the UK. I agree, wide coverage of this here including the video in some reports.
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Post by katlaw on Apr 8, 2015 10:02:46 GMT
SourceWhy does his race matter? If this happened where I live the headline would read "Police Officer is charged with murder in suspect's death." The shooting was wrong. The police officer committed murder by shooting a suspect in the back. AS long as headlines like this continue to make the news then racism will always be a problem and events like the ones that happened and continue to happen in Ferguson will continue on. The media creates the drama surrounding stories like this with no respect for the truth.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 10:28:51 GMT
Again, I am by no means defending the cop or saying that people should not be angry and upset. It just seems like people are "outraged" all the time. I just feel that it diminishes the value of the argument. I think people have every reason to be outraged. Don't you think they are justified in having an extremely strong reaction of anger and shock that a Police Officer....... a person who has taken an oath of office to protect the citizens of his or her country, should do this? We ( general we) put our trust in Law Enforcement officer every day to protect us, not murder us in cold blood! That is why people are outraged and justifiably so.
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Post by peabay on Apr 8, 2015 10:33:41 GMT
The person who shot this video is a hero. Without that video, this story would be very different this morning. It's so awful.
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Post by Really Red on Apr 8, 2015 10:37:40 GMT
Unfortunately, people murder people every single day. It is sad and upsetting how this murder occurred, but outrageous? I don't think so. I think it is sadly commonplace.
In this case, the shooter was a cop. He was arrested and charged with murder. If I got outraged at that, what feelings should I feel when someone is murdered, we suspect we know who it is, but they aren't arrested because of who they are?
I think this situation is sad for the victim's and family, but it appears to me that law did what it was supposed to do. No one is (apparently) getting away with anything for the present.
OP are you outraged that a policeman (apparently) abused his power? I snort. That does happen and you know it. But this one got caught. I'll save my outrage for the parents who abused their 5yo son and then dumped him in a sewage tank. That was not a quick decision on their part, but a sustaining and horrific abuse situation.
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Post by SuPeaNatural on Apr 8, 2015 11:20:52 GMT
I saw this on the news and was horrified. I couldn't believe he fired 8 times - surely once in the leg would have been enough to stop the guy. Apparently the cop said he he feared for his life! If that's true, I find it hard to believe - why would you be scared of someone who was running away from you? Especially when you're a trained officer.
And they highlighted the part showing the cop dropping 'something' next to the body, it was said the item was thought to be a taser. So it seems that the cop not only shot the man in cold blood, but apparently planted evidence as well. He must have got a shock when he found out he'd been caught on camera.
I feel so sorry for the victim and his family. I also feel badly for the cops family too. Life won't be easy for them either over the next few months.
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Post by sean&marysmommy on Apr 8, 2015 12:45:53 GMT
I feel so sorry for the victim and his family. I also feel badly for the cops family too. Life won't be easy for them either over the next few months. I do, too. For both. The victim seemed well-loved and respected among his family and friends. And the officer has a pregnant wife who will most likely face harassment in the days ahead. It's tragic all around, IMO. The anti-cop sentiment in the US has gotten so strong these last few years. And while I understand why that is happening, it doesn't make me feel any better when I kiss my husband goodbye in the morning.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Apr 8, 2015 12:59:21 GMT
I just saw the report this morning. Unlike Ferguson, where I think there was a rush to judgment by many before the case was investigated- this is clearly a crime and the officer should be prosecuted. Having the video tape is damning.
However, I think the thread title infers "where is the outrage" that white people would not be horrified by this unjust killing of a black person is a part of the mix in the complex subject of racism.
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Post by craftygardenmom on Apr 8, 2015 16:11:09 GMT
SourceWhy does his race matter? If this happened where I live the headline would read "Police Officer is charged with murder in suspect's death." The shooting was wrong. The police officer committed murder by shooting a suspect in the back. AS long as headlines like this continue to make the news then racism will always be a problem and events like the ones that happened and continue to happen in Ferguson will continue on. The media creates the drama surrounding stories like this with no respect for the truth. Um, the headline isn't the reason "racism continues to be a problem and events like the ones that happened and continues to happen in Ferguson" - racists are! Don't blame the media for racist people and their actions - blame the people who think people are less than them and do these things. And the media doesn't have to "create drama" - a man getting SHOT IN THE BACK on video is dramatic enough.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Apr 8, 2015 16:15:16 GMT
Not to minimize this shooting at all, because it's horrific. But do we have to be outraged over everything? The cop was quickly arrested and charged with murder. No hiding behind the shield. No one making excuses. Again, no justification and no defense of the cop. But I believe that being outraged over everything diminishes the effect and numbs people. "Oh yeah, there they are on TV all outraged again." Had the cop not been swiftly dealt with, as stated above, then the outrage would be appropriate. Again, not minimizing the tragedy, injustice and loss. The outrage should be that he felt justified in shooting this man or that he should/could do it. This man was running from the cop. He posed no threat. He wasn't facing him, wasn't holding anything, wasn't attacking him. I think this is what you get outraged over. Not where someone is physically resisting arrest by being physical with an officer, not while attacking an officer, not while in the commission of a crime. I'm glad he was arrested (only after the video surfaced). He had originally said that he feared for his life and followed procedures. I didn't read the whole thread yet, BUT-- in regards to the bolded text above... I heard a story about this on NPR, and I thought they didn't know yet what exact events led up to what was captured on video? I heard something about the man possibly having the officer's taser, so 'he posed no threat' hasn't yet been determined, has it? What I don't like about any instance like this (video being leaked to the internet) is that the 'court of public opinion' makes their determination long before all the actual facts are all gathered.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 16:20:12 GMT
Just my opioin..... I'll save my outrage for the 35 LEO who have died in the line of duty so far thos year ,along with 6 of our fallen K-9 units. The ones who have died serving the public. On top of the hundreds who have been injured, stabbed, punched, spit at, fought with, broken bones, blackened eyes and shot. These LEO whom will wake up and do it agin, while the criminals work their way through the system only to do it again. No outrage for the actions of ONE wrong LEO, who chose to kill someone. The family will recieve justice so many in LEO never have. That LEO chose to kill someone and is rightfully being charged. My husband as all LEO, whom do their job with pride, are appalled at the shooters actions. No excuses...he committed a crime.
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