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Post by littlemama on Apr 8, 2015 23:22:51 GMT
I don't have any outrage because I do not know all of the facts of the case. It doesn't look good, based on that video, but I will not form an opinion until all of the facts come out. out of curiosity, what other facts do you need? White, black, purple, green, prior arrests or squeaky clean, dude shot a man while he was running away. Unless he was heading toward a bomb or hand grenade, he was not posing an imminent threat and deadly force was unwarranted All of the pertinent facts that are as yet unknown. Doesn't make a damn bit of difference what color anyone was in the situation, I will not make a judgement about either party until all the facts are known. It certainly doesn't look good from the video, but that video is one snippet of time. Things happened before the video and things happened after the video. Those would be pertinent facts.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 23:25:45 GMT
I would think the answer would be -any facts there are. Ones we might not yet be aware of. It may be, (and probably is) that what you see is all there is. It's the unless (if there is an unless) that anyone would need to know about before making an informed opinion. In another thread we were shown a video of what looked like a cop ruthlessly gunning down a victim. It took someone pointing it out and several viewings before you could see that the guy was pulling a gun on the cop. That's the kind of thing that makes you think twice before drawing a conclusion before you know all there is to know. Dude was running away. Cop handcuffed a dead man. Even if he was running toward some sort of weapon, without it in his hand, he wasn't yet a threat. You don't get to shoot someone because he might be a threat. Yes, I agree. Everything we see and everything we know as of this moment, shows a bad cop. Including the fact that they thought there's enough evidence to charge him.
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Post by tara on Apr 8, 2015 23:27:28 GMT
Oh come on I don't know who you quoted but a general statement would be if she said all or even most. She said iho a lot. These leo are imperfect men and women. A lot are assholes just like there's a lot of truck drivers who are assholes or lawyers who are assholes. Or name any profession, there's going to be assholes with attitudes. g There are bad cops, and good cops, just like any profession. I happen to think that most cops are good people; unfortunately, the bad ones make the news. The good cops go about their business, often with little recognition or appreciation from the public. I'm glad that this guy was arrested. The bad seeds should be weeded out relentlessly. That does not in any way diminish my admiration for the many who do their jobs, and do them well. That's why the bad seeds really piss me off. They could give the good ones, like my nephew, a really bad name.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 23:32:08 GMT
Smh my point is made over in the discrimination lawsuit thread... No matter what evidence is given someone ( that they can clearly see with their on eyes) they will still doubt the dead victim ... He is black so he had to be a thug ... Smh ... Thank god for the video or else they would have dug up any dirt they can and made him out to be " threatening .., it's sickening... BTW I didn't know SC was considered Deep South ... I thought AL, Ms, LA was Deep South I live in MS ... I don't know if that was in response to me, but knowing that you need to know all the facts before you can come to a correct conclusion is not blaming the dead victim. It's not drawing a conclusion one way or the other. When you aren't drawing a conclusion, you aren't blaming anyone. For anything. You are waiting.
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Post by foolana on Apr 9, 2015 0:23:25 GMT
out of curiosity, what other facts do you need? White, black, purple, green, prior arrests or squeaky clean, dude shot a man while he was running away. Unless he was heading toward a bomb or hand grenade, he was not posing an imminent threat and deadly force was unwarranted All of the pertinent facts that are as yet unknown. Doesn't make a damn bit of difference what color anyone was in the situation, I will not make a judgement about either party until all the facts are known. It certainly doesn't look good from the video, but that video is one snippet of time. Things happened before the video and things happened after the video. Those would be pertinent facts. That's because you're probably white. You don't have the fear that black men do.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 0:34:48 GMT
out of curiosity, what other facts do you need? White, black, purple, green, prior arrests or squeaky clean, dude shot a man while he was running away. Unless he was heading toward a bomb or hand grenade, he was not posing an imminent threat and deadly force was unwarranted All of the pertinent facts that are as yet unknown. Doesn't make a damn bit of difference what color anyone was in the situation, I will not make a judgement about either party until all the facts are known. It certainly doesn't look good from the video, but that video is one snippet of time. Things happened before the video and things happened after the video. Those would be pertinent facts. Since black men are stopped, arrested, injured and killed by police at disporportionately high rates compared to their population, race certainly does make a differnce. As a white woman, it's easy to say it doesn't/shouldn't matter, but the reality is very different.
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Post by littlemama on Apr 9, 2015 1:09:49 GMT
All of the pertinent facts that are as yet unknown. Doesn't make a damn bit of difference what color anyone was in the situation, I will not make a judgement about either party until all the facts are known. It certainly doesn't look good from the video, but that video is one snippet of time. Things happened before the video and things happened after the video. Those would be pertinent facts. That's because you're probably white. You don't have the fear that black men do. I'm not sure how that would be relevant to the fact that race does not factor into my willingness to rush to judgement over a situation where all of the pertinent facts are not known.
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Post by littlemama on Apr 9, 2015 1:11:19 GMT
All of the pertinent facts that are as yet unknown. Doesn't make a damn bit of difference what color anyone was in the situation, I will not make a judgement about either party until all the facts are known. It certainly doesn't look good from the video, but that video is one snippet of time. Things happened before the video and things happened after the video. Those would be pertinent facts. Since black men are stopped, arrested, injured and killed by police at disporportionately high rates compared to their population, race certainly does make a differnce. As a white woman, it's easy to say it doesn't/shouldn't matter, but the reality is very different. No, it does not matter in my lack of willingness to rush to judgement in a situation where all facts are not known.
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Post by foolana on Apr 9, 2015 1:12:19 GMT
That's because you're probably white. You don't have the fear that black men do. I'm not sure how that would be relevant to the fact that race does not factor into my willingness to rush to judgement over a situation where all of the pertinent facts are not known. I guess you don't. I know why it's relevant.
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Post by freecharlie on Apr 9, 2015 2:04:24 GMT
maybe people ARE outraged but the fact that this time the cop was actually charged with murder may be dampening the outrage if it was all denied, justified etc the outrage would may be more noticeable I agree with you ramblin. I'm wondering what actions outrage at this event is supposed to look like. Are we supposed to be rioting, protesting or what? Isn't the cop being charged the correct action we want? What outrage is it that you want to see from the public? The public is discussing it, we are supporting the actions of his arrest and we are upset/disgusted with the killing. What exactly are you looking for? When I first posted this, the story had apparently just started getting out, so I didn't see the outrage. I assumed I was late to the party and couldn't figure out why nobody was tlaking abou it. Once the story got out, the outrage did start to come in. I think that this is the situation where we should question police training, police protocols, investigations into shootings. I think this is the type of case that needed the attention. I don't think there should be riots. I don't even know if there should be shouts of racism. I think this was a horrible call by an officer and I have no idea what motivated him to shoot that man. And Gia, you are right, we don't have all the facts. I'm not sure what we might be missing that would make me change my mind, but there could have been some mitigating factor we haven't seen. I am jumping to conclusions. In this instance, I will own it.
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Post by missmiss on Apr 10, 2015 13:38:41 GMT
Here is a link that shows so far in 2015 that 310 people (of course not all innocent) have been killed by police. You can also look at 2013 and 2014 here. We are on track for the police to kill over 1200 people this year. With these stats about 1 person dies every 7.5 hours by a police officer. Killed by Police
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Post by boxermom73 on Apr 11, 2015 15:34:50 GMT
I wonder what the " facts " would be if there was no video... Probably the suspect was armed and the officer was "attacked" by the weapon " found" near his body... Smh you know it's true!! Makes me wonder how many other cases are out there....but keep on having blind faith in your FACTS...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 17:40:41 GMT
I wonder what the " facts " would be if there was no video... Probably the suspect was armed and the officer was "attacked" by the weapon " found" near his body... Smh you know it's true!! Makes me wonder how many other cases are out there....but keep on having blind faith in your FACTS... The only facts we have, show a very bad cop doing a very bad thing. Are those the facts we shouldn't have blind faith in?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 18:21:47 GMT
I have not read all of the pages of replies, but will later.
Not sure if it had been asked, but why did he run? Can anyone hear if they are saying anything to each other?
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Post by AnotherPea on Apr 11, 2015 18:35:40 GMT
I have not read all of the pages of replies, but will later. Not sure if it had been asked, but why did he run? Can anyone hear if they are saying anything to each other? He owed almost $20K in back child support.
I watched the dash cam video yesterday but haven't followed any news. I noticed there was a passenger in Scott's car and wonder what he/she may have seen.
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Post by boxermom73 on Apr 12, 2015 5:36:49 GMT
I wonder what the " facts " would be if there was no video... Probably the suspect was armed and the officer was "attacked" by the weapon " found" near his body... Smh you know it's true!! Makes me wonder how many other cases are out there....but keep on having blind faith in your FACTS... The only facts we have, show a very bad cop doing a very bad thing. Are those the facts we shouldn't have blind faith in? This was in response to the ones who keep saying after the video that they will wait on the " facts to come out" like they just can't accept that this cop was so wrong....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2015 7:25:38 GMT
The only facts we have, show a very bad cop doing a very bad thing. Are those the facts we shouldn't have blind faith in? This was in response to the ones who keep saying after the video that they will wait on the " facts to come out" like they just can't accept that this cop was so wrong.... That isn't what's being said at all, you're reading that into it. It's actually a very good idea to make sure you know everything there is to know about a situation, any situation, in order to form an opinion.
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