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Post by jonda1974 on Apr 29, 2015 0:32:16 GMT
Black on black crime and police brutality are two separate issues. Liken it to saying hey "yall kill each other so why can't we" all while wearing a hood. That rhetoric is sooo nonsensical. Your empathy can't wane if it was nonexistent in the first place. THANK YOU !!! JONDA loves to beat that dead horse!! How do you KNOW there is nothing being done or attempted to do ...It's apples and oranges Because we aren't seeing riots resulting from those deaths.
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Post by shescrafty on Apr 29, 2015 0:33:47 GMT
I just think he is being put on a pedestal to justify the destruction and criminal activity.
I live 20 minutes outside of the city-my tax money is going to have to help the state rebuild. I am pissed that the idiots who were rioting and looting did this to the city and more importantly did this to neighborhoods where there is already so much economic difficultly. What will happen to shop owners' insurance rates? Who will want to start a small business in Baltimore or even come down for the tourism? The thugs who vandalized these areas are killing their own communities. On local TV today I saw a business owner who had a family owned business for 35 years talk about how he watched his business and million dollar inventory (they went through his warehouse as well as storefront) get looted for four hours on surveillance footage last night.
The people trying to save their own communities and neighborhoods did not deserve to watch their lives and communities being destroyed by thugs wearing gas masks and cutting fire hoses.
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Post by shescrafty on Apr 29, 2015 0:34:44 GMT
so with all the drug charges against gray, I wonder how many deaths he has contributed to and how many families and homes he destroyed? And if what you said is true he should have been arrested and tried for his supposed crimes. It was not the police's place in our society of laws and due process to have killed him in custody. You understand that, right? And it was not the place of the rioters to take over what had been peaceful protests and turn the city I to freaking thunder dome.
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Post by foolana on Apr 29, 2015 0:38:20 GMT
And if what you said is true he should have been arrested and tried for his supposed crimes. It was not the police's place in our society of laws and due process to have killed him in custody. You understand that, right? And it was not the place of the rioters to take over what had been peaceful protests and turn the city I to freaking thunder dome. Apples and oranges. What does Mr. Gray's criminal record have to do with his getting murdered in custody? Of course the riots were awful and unnecessary. Your inference that Mr. Gray caused his own death is preposterous.
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Post by foolana on Apr 29, 2015 0:42:50 GMT
THANK YOU !!! JONDA loves to beat that dead horse!! How do you KNOW there is nothing being done or attempted to do ...It's apples and oranges Because we aren't seeing riots resulting from those deaths. What? So it's terrible that the police caused this riot in Baltimore because of their pattern of police brutality and by murdering a suspect in custody, right? If the police hadn't broken the law by killing Mr. Gray the protests and eventual riots wouldn't have happened.
What is your obsession with so-called black on black crime? You sound like such a racist when it's your patented response to everything. Murder is murder regardless of the victim or the perpetrator.
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Post by boxermom73 on Apr 29, 2015 0:43:24 GMT
THANK YOU !!! JONDA loves to beat that dead horse!! How do you KNOW there is nothing being done or attempted to do ...It's apples and oranges Because we aren't seeing riots resulting from those deaths. and who would you have them riot against? So to show you CARE you have to riot? You make no sense. Perhaps you should ask your black friends about the many stop the violence campaigns that happen all over the country in the AA community ... If it's not to embarrassing for them... SMDH
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Post by jonda1974 on Apr 29, 2015 0:45:06 GMT
Please. No one is saying either is right. No where in my post is the concept of "ya'll kill each other so why can't we". I'm saying BOTH are EQUALLY wrong, yet only ONE gets YOU and others worked up to this level of concern. And if your last comment is a veiled attempt at calling me a racist, honey, think again. I'm currently seeing someone who is of mixed decent, and he is embarrassed by these thugs as well. I have a Latino friend who is embarrassed of the thugs he grew up with, so when he gets out of the Navy in a month, he's looking for a town where he can feel safe away from them. In fact, I would say only a small percentage of my friends and exes have been or are actually Caucasian. So take YOUR racism and shove it where the sun doesn't shine. haha all his "friends" are black so what? You always bring this up if you love the non white community so much and are so concerned why aren't YOU doing anything? I don't agree with the looting but every time something comes up about police brutality, a real issue, you go back to black on black crime.. There are a lot of people actually doing something about it or trying to make a change... Not just saying why is t anything being done? Just to deflect from the problem we are discussing now. saying your not racist because you have a " mixed friend or Latino friends" is just insulting and proves nothing. Why is your friend embarrassed? Is he looting? If not why does he feel embarrassment? Is he responsible for the actions of others because he is half black? That says a lot right there... I actually do volunteer at a local community center, as well as with at risk youth in regards to HIV protection and prevention. It's not a lot, but I do try to put my action where my words are. My mentioning why isn't anything being done is in reference to if the rioters were really in any way concerned with Mr Gray, then they would be rioting for every Mr Gray who is killed regardless of whether he is killed by a police officer or someone from his neighborhood. I don't claim to be perfect, and I have tried to make a lot of personal changes in my views of the grey areas of life. As for the guy I'm seeing, he's embarrassed in the same way that good cops are embarrassed by the actions of bad cops, because of the blanket assumptions. I'm not sure what you think it says a lot about however. The thing is, I try to be open to new truths, I like learning new cultures, and am proud of who my friends are regardless of their race, I'm sure they'd be amused anyone would even consider me in that regards.
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Post by shescrafty on Apr 29, 2015 0:46:02 GMT
I never said that-I made comment based on what I was thinking. Last I checked on a message board it is full of comments and peoples' thoughts. He had a long and nasty record of dealing drugs and I wondered how many people he helped kill and how many lives he had destroyed. I never said he deserved to die-you are the one connecting those dots, not me.
And rioting does not bring any officers to justice, does it? Does it help change the system? NO it destroys neighborhoods and communities and has totally overshadowed what the Gray family asked for and what others were marching (peacefully) towards. Local news coverage that had started as focusing on change was swept to the side as the focus shifted to the idiots burning down the city.
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Post by jonda1974 on Apr 29, 2015 0:48:06 GMT
THANK YOU !!! JONDA loves to beat that dead horse!! How do you KNOW there is nothing being done or attempted to do ...It's apples and oranges Jonda is the self-appointed expert on everything. It must be exhausting to be so knowledgeable. Outspoken, yes! Expert, lol hardly. Just sharing my opinion based on my experiences. When I'm wrong I'll own it. I'm always reading, studying, exploring , and have really focused on trying to expand my viewpoints, regardless of whether they are changed.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 29, 2015 0:48:19 GMT
See there you go again fool-Ana accusing the police of murder. And yes, you are proving again and again that police are being held to a different standard ---guilty officers are definitely guilty, let's disregard any other possibility because they are just so obviously guilty!!!! You hate police. Making fun of my user name? Are you in third grade? Also, I don't hate police but I do hate idiots who act like you. It's auto correct nice try at being butt hurt though and yeah you do hate police.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 29, 2015 0:52:09 GMT
Because we aren't seeing riots resulting from those deaths. What? So it's terrible that the police caused this riot in Baltimore because of their pattern of police brutality and by murdering a suspect in custody, right? If the police hadn't broken the law by killing Mr. Gray the protests and eventual riots wouldn't have happened.
What is your obsession with so-called black on black crime? You sound like such a racist when it's your patented response to everything. Murder is murder regardless of the victim or the perpetrator.
This last rant of yours just proves what an idiot you are. You are so close minded and just cannot stand anything other than what you think, even if wrong. It's a shame that you are so narrow thinking. It's people like you who foster the hate and division.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 29, 2015 0:55:05 GMT
And it was not the place of the rioters to take over what had been peaceful protests and turn the city I to freaking thunder dome. Apples and oranges. What does Mr. Gray's criminal record have to do with his getting murdered in custody? Of course the riots were awful and unnecessary. Your inference that Mr. Gray caused his own death is preposterous. So your advice is to run from police? Smart move. Run if you are innocent. Your rationalizing is just so ridiculous. It's like watching a train wreck--and cannot wait to see what other amazing things come out of you.
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Post by foolana on Apr 29, 2015 0:57:36 GMT
Making fun of my user name? Are you in third grade? Also, I don't hate police but I do hate idiots who act like you. It's auto correct nice try at being butt hurt though and yeah you do hate police. Autocorrect? Riiiiiight.
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Post by jonda1974 on Apr 29, 2015 0:59:20 GMT
Because we aren't seeing riots resulting from those deaths. What? So it's terrible that the police caused this riot in Baltimore because of their pattern of police brutality and by murdering a suspect in custody, right? If the police hadn't broken the law by killing Mr. Gray the protests and eventual riots wouldn't have happened.
What is your obsession with so-called black on black crime? You sound like such a racist when it's your patented response to everything. Murder is murder regardless of the victim or the perpetrator.
No, what is terrible is that Mr Grays death is being used as an excuse for lawlessness by people who couldn't give a flying fig about him. The peaceful protesters have my full support, the rioters are rising because they can and would have found one excuse if it hadn't been this one. Their riots are because they are criminals exploiting a mans death. Has as anyone been charged with murder? Were you there, until charges are filed using such inflammatory language doesn't do any justice in bringing people to your POV. Is he dead as a result of their actions, yes, but those charges can end up ranging from involuntary manslaughter to first degree to justified. Although I seriously doubt the last to be the case. You do realize that saying the riots are because of the police actions are the same as saying if Mr Gray hadn't committed a crime or ran he wouldn't be dead. Both are ridiculous.
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Post by boxermom73 on Apr 29, 2015 1:00:00 GMT
haha all his "friends" are black so what? You always bring this up if you love the non white community so much and are so concerned why aren't YOU doing anything? I don't agree with the looting but every time something comes up about police brutality, a real issue, you go back to black on black crime.. There are a lot of people actually doing something about it or trying to make a change... Not just saying why is t anything being done? Just to deflect from the problem we are discussing now. saying your not racist because you have a " mixed friend or Latino friends" is just insulting and proves nothing. Why is your friend embarrassed? Is he looting? If not why does he feel embarrassment? Is he responsible for the actions of others because he is half black? That says a lot right there... I actually do volunteer at a local community center, as well as with at risk youth in regards to HIV protection and prevention. It's not a lot, but I do try to put my action where my words are. My mentioning why isn't anything being done is in reference to if the rioters were really in any way concerned with Mr Gray, then they would be rioting for every Mr Gray who is killed regardless of whether he is killed by a police officer or someone from his neighborhood. I don't claim to be perfect, and I have tried to make a lot of personal changes in my views of the grey areas of life. As for the guy I'm seeing, he's embarrassed in the same way that good cops are embarrassed by the actions of bad cops, because of the blanket assumptions. I'm not sure what you think it says a lot about however. The thing is, I try to be open to new truths, I like learning new cultures, and am proud of who my friends are regardless of their race, I'm sure they'd be amused anyone would even consider me in that regards. but that's not what you said. you said and have said why isn't there riots.. Because one man killing another isn't the same as the people we "pay and empower" to protect us. It's like me saying why isn't anyone doing anything about white on white crime? when there was protest about the school shooting or the rape of college girls.. One has nothing to do with the other.. Although both are bad . But if you constantly bring it up it makes me wonder why? And as for your friend being embarrassed. It's not the same as a dirty cop because that is a JOB and it makes the public think less of police in general. Does he say my friend is even embarrassed because of " insert whatever a well know white person may have done." I'm sure he doesn't.. It came off very racist so if your not... Shrugs
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Post by foolana on Apr 29, 2015 1:01:08 GMT
Apples and oranges. What does Mr. Gray's criminal record have to do with his getting murdered in custody? Of course the riots were awful and unnecessary. Your inference that Mr. Gray caused his own death is preposterous. So your advice is to run from police? Smart move. Run if you are innocent. Your rationalizing is just so ridiculous. It's like watching a train wreck--and cannot wait to see what other amazing things come out of you. I love it when I find a new person to put on ignore. Keep flapping your ignorant gums, honey. I don't have to see your non-linear thoughts and nonsensical rants anymore. Bye!
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Post by jonda1974 on Apr 29, 2015 1:01:25 GMT
Because we aren't seeing riots resulting from those deaths. and who would you have them riot against? So to show you CARE you have to riot? You make no sense. Perhaps you should ask your black friends about the many stop the violence campaigns that happen all over the country in the AA community ... If it's not to embarrassing for them... SMDH You seem a little overly invested and upset that people of color would be embarrassed by the actions of these rioters.
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Post by foolana on Apr 29, 2015 1:08:37 GMT
and who would you have them riot against? So to show you CARE you have to riot? You make no sense. Perhaps you should ask your black friends about the many stop the violence campaigns that happen all over the country in the AA community ... If it's not to embarrassing for them... SMDH You seem a little overly invested and upset that people of color would be embarrassed by the actions of these rioters. No she doesn't. You seem overinvested in always being right, no matter how wrong someone else knows you are.
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Post by jonda1974 on Apr 29, 2015 1:08:46 GMT
I actually do volunteer at a local community center, as well as with at risk youth in regards to HIV protection and prevention. It's not a lot, but I do try to put my action where my words are. My mentioning why isn't anything being done is in reference to if the rioters were really in any way concerned with Mr Gray, then they would be rioting for every Mr Gray who is killed regardless of whether he is killed by a police officer or someone from his neighborhood. I don't claim to be perfect, and I have tried to make a lot of personal changes in my views of the grey areas of life. As for the guy I'm seeing, he's embarrassed in the same way that good cops are embarrassed by the actions of bad cops, because of the blanket assumptions. I'm not sure what you think it says a lot about however. The thing is, I try to be open to new truths, I like learning new cultures, and am proud of who my friends are regardless of their race, I'm sure they'd be amused anyone would even consider me in that regards. but that's not what you said. you said and have said why isn't there riots.. Because one man killing another isn't the same as the people we "pay and empower" to protect us. It's like me saying why isn't anyone doing anything about white on white crime? when there was protest about the school shooting or the rape of college girls.. One has nothing to do with the other.. Although both are bad . But if you constantly bring it up it makes me wonder why? And as for your friend being embarrassed. It's not the same as a dirty cop because that is a JOB and it makes the public think less of police in general. Does he say my friend is even embarrassed because of " insert whatever a well know white person may have done." I'm sure he doesn't.. It came off very racist so if your not... Shrugs Got it, so trying to better explain my thoughts is a bad thing, because it didn't come across in the way that I intended originally. You're the one who asked why my friend was embarrassed, I answered why, I mentioned it because we were talking about this today, so it was fresh in my mind.
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Post by foolana on Apr 29, 2015 1:11:22 GMT
Not ridiculous at all. There would be no protests and no riots if Mr. Gray had not been murdered in police custody. It's not that hard to understand.
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Post by peatlejuice on Apr 29, 2015 1:12:38 GMT
So your advice is to run from police? Smart move. Run if you are innocent. Your rationalizing is just so ridiculous. It's like watching a train wreck--and cannot wait to see what other amazing things come out of you. I love it when I find a new person to put on ignore. Keep flapping your ignorant gums, honey. I don't have to see your non-linear thoughts and nonsensical rants anymore. Bye! Bwhahaha! Oh, the irony. Your brand of crazy is both maddening and hilarious.
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Post by jonda1974 on Apr 29, 2015 1:13:13 GMT
You seem a little overly invested and upset that people of color would be embarrassed by the actions of these rioters. No she doesn't. You seem overinvested in always being right, no matter how wrong someone else knows you are. Lol. Pot meet kettle, considering you are so determined that you are right and I am wrong as exemplified by the end of your post. The fact is, everything you post, everything I post is simply our opinions based on our experiences. I'm not out to change your mind, nor are you out to change mine. We are both defending our opinions, but regardless of whether I ever agree with you completely or visa versa, this isn't at least to me a matter of who is right and who is wrong. It people coming together to express their own unique opinions, and as the old saying goes, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink.
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Post by foolana on Apr 29, 2015 1:13:29 GMT
I love it when I find a new person to put on ignore. Keep flapping your ignorant gums, honey. I don't have to see your non-linear thoughts and nonsensical rants anymore. Bye! Bwhahaha! Oh, the irony. Your brand of crazy is both maddening and hilarious. And another! Woo hoo!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2015 1:14:39 GMT
Because it's a cycle of ignorance...uneducated, uninformed, non productive members/leeches of society. This has nothing to do with the death of Gray and more about the 'freedom' to express their true selves. Next there will be unrest bc businesses are closed and won't reopen. Productive members of that part of the city have worked for years to try to clean it up and redevelop it in an attempt to elicite pride in their community. Work that has now been set back decades. Gia LuPeaA - here's your example. I can't speak for Kluski, but I do know it's possible to understand that people are angry about police brutality and understand the fact that they're angry is only an excuse that some of those very same people are using to steal things and destroy things.
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Post by jonda1974 on Apr 29, 2015 1:15:22 GMT
Not ridiculous at all. There would be no protests and no riots if Mr. Gray had not been murdered in police custody. It's not that hard to understand. And I could easily say that Mr Gray would be alive if he hadn't been committing a crime. Both would be absolute stretches. Murder hasn't been proven yet btw.
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Post by freecharlie on Apr 29, 2015 1:50:02 GMT
no, tonight I do not care. I care about the safety of those in the area and I care about the property damage. the people being affected by these riots are now the priority. The rioters took that away from Gray. And if you, or they, think for one minute that rioting is going to change a damn thing, you are misguided. It turns the sympathy away from the victim and turns anger and blame toward the rioters and by extention the race of those rioting. It doesn't help. It hurts. wow so because some black people in Baltimore loot it turns you against any black people ? Wow what about those who loot after major sports wins? Or the ones who rioted after that coach was fired? Should we hate people of thier "race" wow you really said a lot.... I'm glad you think I said a lot, although your inference is incorrect. Do you really think that the people in Baltimore, those who lost their business, their car, have to abide by a curfew, fear for their safety, have schools closed, don't blame the people rioting? Do you think right now, during the riots, they give a damn about Gray? I said nothing about hate. I said that the anger and blame that was aimed at the police is now aimed at the rioters. They are the current menace. On the other hand, in South Carolina where Walter Scott was gunned down on camera and left hand-cuffed to die, there weren't these destructive riots. The focus remained on Scott where it should be. And why do people always bring up rioting after major sporting wins? Deflecting well, they do it sometimes, so why shouldn't we? I'm not saying those rioting after a sporting event aren't douchebags and thugs, because they are, but they have nothing to do with these particular riots. And typically people look bad at the drunk college kids who are doing the rioting. They are expelled from school. They are arrested.
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Post by freecharlie on Apr 29, 2015 1:59:35 GMT
Because we aren't seeing riots resulting from those deaths. What? So it's terrible that the police caused this riot in Baltimore because of their pattern of police brutality and by murdering a suspect in custody, right? If the police hadn't broken the law by killing Mr. Gray the protests and eventual riots wouldn't have happened.
What is your obsession with so-called black on black crime? You sound like such a racist when it's your patented response to everything. Murder is murder regardless of the victim or the perpetrator.
And yet, they don't riot at every murder. Some murders are more heinous than others because of their victim or perpetrator, but even then riots are only happening after a white cop kills a young black man and only if the media sinks their teeth into it. I blame the media for their part in this as well.
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Post by foolana on Apr 29, 2015 2:47:31 GMT
wow so because some black people in Baltimore loot it turns you against any black people ? Wow what about those who loot after major sports wins? Or the ones who rioted after that coach was fired? Should we hate people of thier "race" wow you really said a lot.... I'm glad you think I said a lot, although your inference is incorrect. Do you really think that the people in Baltimore, those who lost their business, their car, have to abide by a curfew, fear for their safety, have schools closed, don't blame the people rioting? Do you think right now, during the riots, they give a damn about Gray? I said nothing about hate. I said that the anger and blame that was aimed at the police is now aimed at the rioters. They are the current menace. On the other hand, in South Carolina where Walter Scott was gunned down on camera and left hand-cuffed to die, there weren't these destructive riots. The focus remained on Scott where it should be. And why do people always bring up rioting after major sporting wins? Deflecting well, they do it sometimes, so why shouldn't we? I'm not saying those rioting after a sporting event aren't douchebags and thugs, because they are, but they have nothing to do with these particular riots. And typically people look bad at the drunk college kids who are doing the rioting. They are expelled from school. They are arrested. And the officer who murdered Mr. Scott was arrested and charged within days because of the video.
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Post by foolana on Apr 29, 2015 2:48:53 GMT
Not ridiculous at all. There would be no protests and no riots if Mr. Gray had not been murdered in police custody. It's not that hard to understand. And I could easily say that Mr Gray would be alive if he hadn't been committing a crime. Both would be absolute stretches. Murder hasn't been proven yet btw. Not a stretch at all. The logic is simple.
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Post by freecharlie on Apr 29, 2015 3:09:40 GMT
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