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Post by candleangie on Apr 29, 2015 4:17:19 GMT
Talk is going around where my DH works about asking them to volunteer to go down there since we're a little less than 2hrs away. I really am nervous for him to go if that happens. His Kevlar vest is outdated by many years and we can't afford a new one. NoWomanNoCry....How much is a new vest? Would you consider a crowd funding site of some kind for this? THIS is a cause I would willing and gladly give to...and I know a LOT of people who would feel the same.
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Post by boxermom73 on Apr 29, 2015 5:05:49 GMT
wow so because some black people in Baltimore loot it turns you against any black people ? Wow what about those who loot after major sports wins? Or the ones who rioted after that coach was fired? Should we hate people of thier "race" wow you really said a lot.... I'm glad you think I said a lot, although your inference is incorrect. Do you really think that the people in Baltimore, those who lost their business, their car, have to abide by a curfew, fear for their safety, have schools closed, don't blame the people rioting? Do you think right now, during the riots, they give a damn about Gray? I said nothing about hate. I said that the anger and blame that was aimed at the police is now aimed at the rioters. They are the current menace. On the other hand, in South Carolina where Walter Scott was gunned down on camera and left hand-cuffed to die, there weren't these destructive riots. The focus remained on Scott where it should be. And why do people always bring up rioting after major sporting wins? Deflecting well, they do it sometimes, so why shouldn't we? I'm not saying those rioting after a sporting event aren't douchebags and thugs, because they are, but they have nothing to do with these particular riots. And typically people look bad at the drunk college kids who are doing the rioting. They are expelled from school. They are arrested. I was commenting on the sentence " and by extension the race that they are..." That's why I brought that up ... Both are bad I wasn't deflecting anything ... But I can't imagine you would use that sentence after explaining how a group of college kids tore up a town. How can some looters in one city make you feel a certain way about a "race" of people to me that's just as bad as people blaming all cops for what a few do...
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Post by freecharlie on Apr 29, 2015 5:44:51 GMT
I'm glad you think I said a lot, although your inference is incorrect. Do you really think that the people in Baltimore, those who lost their business, their car, have to abide by a curfew, fear for their safety, have schools closed, don't blame the people rioting? Do you think right now, during the riots, they give a damn about Gray? I said nothing about hate. I said that the anger and blame that was aimed at the police is now aimed at the rioters. They are the current menace. On the other hand, in South Carolina where Walter Scott was gunned down on camera and left hand-cuffed to die, there weren't these destructive riots. The focus remained on Scott where it should be. And why do people always bring up rioting after major sporting wins? Deflecting well, they do it sometimes, so why shouldn't we? I'm not saying those rioting after a sporting event aren't douchebags and thugs, because they are, but they have nothing to do with these particular riots. And typically people look bad at the drunk college kids who are doing the rioting. They are expelled from school. They are arrested. I was commenting on the sentence " and by extension the race that they are..." That's why I brought that up ... Both are bad I wasn't deflecting anything ... But I can't imagine you would use that sentence after explaining how a group of college kids tore up a town. How can some looters in one city make you feel a certain way about a "race" of people to me that's just as bad as people blaming all cops for what a few do... that is a good question and I guess maybe I look at it this way. The majority of the rioters and looters in Baltimore and Ferguson and following these incidences shown on tv are black rioting over what they perceive as an injustice toward a race. The damage and the riots themselves are meant to destroy and can last a week. The college kids are typically not of a single race, though the idiots I've seen are typically white. The riots I remember after events are not near as violent or destructive, though they are both and they last only a couple of hours. The rioters in those cases are out to injure people or burn buildings down. Maybe I worded it wrong originally, but maybe not. These riots aren't furthering any cause and instead people say, there they go rioting again. Look at those thugs. It's no wonder the police have to use force... The empathy doesn't land with the young black population, but instead with the store owners and the police and the young and the old. They are doing the opposite of what they should
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on Apr 29, 2015 6:20:20 GMT
Talk is going around where my DH works about asking them to volunteer to go down there since we're a little less than 2hrs away. I really am nervous for him to go if that happens. His Kevlar vest is outdated by many years and we can't afford a new one. NoWomanNoCry....How much is a new vest? Would you consider a crowd funding site of some kind for this? THIS is a cause I would willing and gladly give to...and I know a LOT of people who would feel the same. The price really varies. 1k is usually a decent vest they go on up in price though. One police spouse I know said her DHs dept required them to be order with "their people" and it was $2500 ish. I posted a a few posts later that we are expecting some good job news that will allow my DH to have a issued vest. So I'm really hoping that comes through. So we will be ok I'm sure because I have faith it will work out in the end I will say there are lots of other officers though who also can't afford vest or even regular gear. I really had no idea until I joined a spouse group and people were taking about it. It's really sad. Some officers get paid well and if they're required to supply their own gear they can. Some officers (really small towns especially) get paid poor and just can't afford it. A good example is one dept in my area isn't a full time dept. which means when the cops aren't on duty state police cover the area...anyways these cops make $12.00/hr and they are ALL required to supply their own gear. There are organizations that donate vest to officers, I use to have it bookmarked but I don't anymore but you can google it. Few legit sites will pop up. I believe they do take donations so that is a wonderful way to help out that way They even donate help out with vest for K9s which is really nice. Due to the demand though they only donate to certain areas (like one site I checked out only serviced their county). Anyways, sorry for my loooooong post lol I got wordy.
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Post by samcro on Apr 29, 2015 8:07:44 GMT
That is horrible NoWomanNoCry that the police department doesn't provide these things. I am very surprised to hear this. But I think I would make it a top priority to find the money to get him one. I hope his new job offer will make that happen. But if it doesn't maybe when his birthday rolls around or Christmas or any other event where people ask what he wants for a gift, you can explain that you all are worried about his safety and that he is saving up for a new vest. Then they can donate money toward it instead of buying other presents. I don't know, I think I would consider putting one on a credit card or borrowing the money to get him this. That way you could at least make payments. Sell some things on Craigslist, eBay or a Facebook buy sell trade page for your area and start saving the money toward the vest? Do some babysitting? Have him mow lawns for neighbors? Really anything that you can do to make the extra money to get one. Sometimes if we can't cut anything out of our normal spending, we have to think of ways to bring more money in. It is likely that if family and friends know about this, that he is going without protective gear, they would be happy to pitch in in some way, even if it is loaning you the money, or having your family members do some odd jobs for them. I would for sure donate to a GoFundMe for something like this and I would bet many others would too.
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Post by mollycoddle on Apr 29, 2015 9:32:37 GMT
They should ALWAYS matter no matter who has killed them, and it does look hypocritical when there is not the same outrage for all of the deaths. Nope. A group of people charged with upholding the law, with serving and protecting the public - they rightly should be held to a different standard than the rest of the citizenry. When someone in authority abuses their power, it is always more egregious a violation. A teacher banging her student? Worse by miles than students banging each other. Police officers killing suspects who are handcuffed and restrained? Cackling with laughter over the suffocating person? Always worse by miles than two regular guys enter a fight and one guy leaves. I actually agree with this.. But I would argue that it's possible to believe this and at the same time feel outrage over the destruction. The President summed up my feelings very well: "From the White House, Obama made an impassioned call for Americans to do “some soul searching” in the wake of the rioting, arguing that the United States has faced “a slow-rolling crisis” over race and economic opportunity in urban areas. The president said the violence in Baltimore took away from peaceful protesters who have expressed “real concern and outrage over the possibility that our laws were not applied evenly in the case of Mr. Gray.” “When individuals get crowbars and start prying open doors to loot, they’re not protesting, they’re not making a statement — they’re stealing,” the president said. “When they burn down a building, they’re committing arson. And they’re destroying and undermining businesses and opportunities in their own communities that rob jobs and opportunity from people in that area.”
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Post by jonda1974 on Apr 29, 2015 13:32:15 GMT
Nope. A group of people charged with upholding the law, with serving and protecting the public - they rightly should be held to a different standard than the rest of the citizenry. When someone in authority abuses their power, it is always more egregious a violation. A teacher banging her student? Worse by miles than students banging each other. Police officers killing suspects who are handcuffed and restrained? Cackling with laughter over the suffocating person? Always worse by miles than two regular guys enter a fight and one guy leaves. I actually agree with this.. But I would argue that it's possible to believe this and at the same time feel outrage over the destruction. The President summed up my feelings very well: "From the White House, Obama made an impassioned call for Americans to do “some soul searching” in the wake of the rioting, arguing that the United States has faced “a slow-rolling crisis” over race and economic opportunity in urban areas. The president said the violence in Baltimore took away from peaceful protesters who have expressed “real concern and outrage over the possibility that our laws were not applied evenly in the case of Mr. Gray.” “When individuals get crowbars and start prying open doors to loot, they’re not protesting, they’re not making a statement — they’re stealing,” the president said. “When they burn down a building, they’re committing arson. And they’re destroying and undermining businesses and opportunities in their own communities that rob jobs and opportunity from people in that area.” I actually appreciate the President's words. He wasn't quick to apply guilt until the facts are in, he expressed that the riots have nothing to do with Gray, they have everything to do with being criminal thugs, and he also addressed the plight found in urban areas and the vicious cycles that surround them making people feel trapped and unable to get up and out of there. Unfortunately how can we change the economic climate in these areas is something that I'm really hoping we can figure out. I think this is a major factor, but riots like these are prone to cause businesses not only to leave the area, but new businesses from choosing those areas to open in. This reduces jobs and opportunities for everyone. We also need to focus on education in these areas, but there is only so much that we can do in offering opportunities if the mentalities such as those of the rioters doesn't change along with it. These thugs and gang members don't want things to change, they want to maintain their "control" of the streets, and unfortunately the good people there suffer for it. Which brings about the need for changes to our drug laws. The war on drugs gave rise to the gangs. The war on drugs feeds the gang control and power, it also strips children of parents who are sent to jail for victim-less crimes of drug use and possession. Instead of arresting these men and women for drug charges, how about we provide them treatment options, take away the threat of jail and maybe more would seek treatment. We also need to do something in regards to increasing our actions in the prevention of HIV and STD transmission which is growing exponentially in these areas even with all the knowledge we have, and we need to strengthen our provision of needles, condoms, and now PreP. Yes there will always be contrasts in the level of "wealth", but we can certainly be doing more to increase aid and awareness and opportunities to escape the inner city, while at the same time rebuilding it, gentrification (while continuing to make it affordable).
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Post by Olan on Apr 29, 2015 16:24:54 GMT
An ex-boyfriend emailed me that quote this morning. Actually made me cry as the last time I saw him he called me a racially charged name and broke my sunglasses. Oddly enough we were both students in Baltimore at the time. Was he trying to use Dr. King's quote to justify his violence toward you? Or was he simply commenting on the Baltimore riots? I think he was apologizing for his behavior but I could be wrong. He was upset I got into a program he had applied for. He left for his home country that same week. He probably still thinks I live in Baltimore.
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