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Post by foolana on Apr 28, 2015 1:32:58 GMT
Stupid bastards cut one of the fire hoses that the Fire Dept. was using to put out the fire at the CVS the looters just cleaned out. Chunks of concrete being thrown at, Police Officers. Setting Police Cars on fire. This is completely disgraceful. My thoughts are with all the Law Enforcement, Business Owners and the Residents of Baltimore who have to deal with these animals. Does that merit a felony charge? <thinking it definitely should!> I'm pretty sure that murdering a suspect while in custody is also a felony, no? |
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Post by momofkandn on Apr 28, 2015 1:33:05 GMT
Indicative of how senseless the riots are is the burning of a brand new senior center built by the baptist church. There are parishioners out there praying and crying.
My brother is law is an MD state trooper and is on his way there. My thoughts and prayers are with him and all those responding trying to protect the city.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Apr 28, 2015 1:33:55 GMT
There are photo's of all those "out of towner's" causing violence, looting and running out of the CVS with toilet paper. Enough of this bullshit. The dumbass Governor should have called in the National Guard hours ago. The governor can't do that until the mayor requests it. He is not a dumbass. He's doing his job. Ugh. You mean wait to hear from the mayor who said - give the protestors space to destroy property? |
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Post by peatlejuice on Apr 28, 2015 1:38:45 GMT
There are photo's of all those "out of towner's" causing violence, looting and running out of the CVS with toilet paper. Enough of this bullshit. The dumbass Governor should have called in the National Guard hours ago. The governor can't do that until the mayor requests it. He is not a dumbass. He's doing his job. Ugh. This very thread is indicative of nonsense in our country today: let emotions rule every thing we say and do instead of allowing some common sense prevail. The mayor looks listless? Wouldn't you be if your town was imploding and it's likely you've hadn't slept in days? The governor is a dumbass because he didn't come charging in with NG uninvited? Good grief people. Get a grip. And this thuggery going on in Baltimore today has nothing to do with Freddie Gray. This is the chance the thugs, the gang bangers and the criminal element have been waiting for. They know the police won't fight back because it would been viewed negatively. These are the same people of Baltimore who watch their children and others get slaughtered on the streets of Baltimore almost daily. There is no outrage then. Why? Because they're the ones doing the shooting and stabbing. Justice for Freddie Gray will occur. I believe that. But we will never see the justice done to many those you see tearing up the streets of Baltimore tonight or many other nights through the year. I'm the one who called the mayor listless, and I'll continue to say it. Yes, I can understand being tired because your city is out of control and you haven't slept for days. BUT, her answers lead me to believe that her listlessness is more than just fatigue. She had no strong plans for getting her city back under control and she barely seemed to be able to focus on a single question. How does she expect anyone to take her seriously as a leader if she can't pull it together for a single news conference? One of the downsides of being a leader is that you have to present a strong front, even if you're exhausted. I'm trained in public relations - these are my observations as an educated professional. Perhaps you are taking my criticisms as an emotional backlash, but I assure you they are not, and that I have a very firm "grip" on my emotions and thoughts. |
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Post by grammanisi on Apr 28, 2015 1:40:03 GMT
Idiots stabbing the fire hoses...why?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 1:41:27 GMT
The funeral for Freddie Gray was today.
Typically, I will always come down on the side to support LEO's. If you don't want to be treated like a criminal, don't act like a criminal and things will be fine.
But in the case of Freddie Gray, I would really love to know why he was even a blip on the radar and why the police felt it necessary to try to detain him. I'd love to know his crime because based on what I heard today, it started with Freddie Gray making eye contact with an officer. Last time I checked, making eye contact was not a crime.
Baltimore P.D. needs to address the issue in regards to Mr. Gray and swift action needs to be taken against the officers involved. No one should have their spine severed in police custody.
The Governor should've taken action hours ago and the Baltimore mayor is a lunatic.
God bless those good people in Maryland because it really doesn't seem like there is any competent leadership in the state. The bolding is mine. That is not true. Obviously if the police always treated people the way they should there would not be victims of police brutality. There are far too many instances of people of color being targeted by the police. There are far too many cases of police violence against people of color, including deaths. I understand the frustration of the victims, their families and those who simply support them. That being said, there is no reason for violence and looting by these people whether they intended to be part of a protest and got swept up in the violence or intended to loot and wreck havoc. I believe if the government had investigated and penalized those in law enforcement who perpetrated these crimes we would not be seeing this now. Okay...I guess I was unclear. I know there are black men targeted, who have done nothing, but still targeted. When I made the comment above that you bolded and disagreed with, I was referencing people like Michael Brown and others that are out there every day, committing crimes, and then whining when things don't go well for them, or they're held for some accountability for their actions.
Unfortunately for Michael Brown, he paid the ultimate price in accountability for his actions. It's unfortunate that he hadn't previously learned not to be a criminal.
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Post by cindosha on Apr 28, 2015 1:44:00 GMT
so you have a problem with the word thug, do ya?  i don't care what color you are. if you perpetuate it, it means the same thing......a thug is a thug, is a thug. thug, thug, thug, thuggity thug... fool-ana...get over yourself...you can't win this one. they are thugs!!!!! cindyWhat is wrong with you? Your response is exceedingly immature, as were your previous responses. Are you enjoying the riots? It sounds like you are. no i have a problem with people like you who try to scoot around the fact that these idiots are nothing more than criminals. if i want to call the criminal a thug because the adjective fits the description, then that is what i'm going to do. to me it looks like you are trying to give them a pass..."code word, thug"? wtf is that? just because i'm white, i can't call a thug a thug???  cindy |
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Post by peatlejuice on Apr 28, 2015 1:44:44 GMT
Does that merit a felony charge? <thinking it definitely should!> I'm pretty sure that murdering a suspect while in custody is also a felony, no? Putting the fool in foolana, are we? I already spelled it out for you once, but you conveniently ignored my post. Murder, committed by police: Felony Murder, committed by criminals: Felony The looting, rioting, arson and assault being committed tonight: Should be a felony What do you not understand about two wrongs don't make a right? |
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Post by grammanisi on Apr 28, 2015 1:45:28 GMT
I told my husband that it was almost like she was on something. She showed no emotion at all. I would have been yelling. Telling the "protesters" that they would be arrested and if they were juveniles, their parents would be arrested, too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 1:47:59 GMT
I listened to the news conference where the Mayor of Baltimore...a black woman referenced the "thugs". So if thug is supposed to be some sort of veiled racism, someone had better alert Madame Mayor.
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on Apr 28, 2015 1:52:26 GMT
Indicative of how senseless the riots are is the burning of a brand new senior center built by the baptist church. There are parishioners out there praying and crying. My brother is law is an MD state trooper and is on his way there. My thoughts and prayers are with him and all those responding trying to protect the city. Prayers for your BIL. |
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Post by Olan on Apr 28, 2015 1:54:28 GMT
no i have a problem with people like you who try to scoot around the fact that these idiots are nothing more than criminals. if i want to call the criminal a thug because the adjective fits the description, then that is what i'm going to do. to me it looks like you are trying to give them a pass..."code word, thug"? wtf is that? just because i'm white, i can't call a thug a thug??? cindy Cindy not completely disagreeing with you but oftentimes when a group of people are commonly referred to as "savages" "thugs" or "animals" it gives those in power the ability to forget they are human. Imagine the force it takes to severe someones spine, shoot them in the back and then handcuff them, choke them out while they are pleading with you for their airway, etc. |
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Post by peatlejuice on Apr 28, 2015 2:02:39 GMT
On the topic of common sense...this guy they just interviewed on Fox News. "We throwing these at police and they shot us with beanbags!" SMH...you're in an angry crowd on a dark street corner, throwing shit at overwhelmed police, and you seriously don't understand why you got nailed with beanbags?
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Post by nepean on Apr 28, 2015 2:08:08 GMT
Indicative of how senseless the riots are is the burning of a brand new senior center built by the baptist church. There are parishioners out there praying and crying. My brother is law is an MD state trooper and is on his way there. My thoughts and prayers are with him and all those responding trying to protect the city. Praying for his safety. Such a horrible situation. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Apr 28, 2015 2:10:16 GMT
Does that merit a felony charge? <thinking it definitely should!> I'm pretty sure that murdering a suspect while in custody is also a felony, no? Foolana, I see police corruption is important to you. Something happened that resulted in a death while in police custody and that needs to have the light of day shined on it and appropriate consequences need to be given. Now, back to cutting a fire hose. That's a horrible crime against ALL the people who would be serviced by that fire station. And the CVS that was burned to the ground was an important store for the people living in the area to be able to access. Cutting the hose while it was in use to put out a fire in a riot may rise to a hate crime. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 2:19:25 GMT
I'm about 15 mins away from where all this is going down. It's tragic and just senseless. People who are doing this don't care about Frwddy Gray, they are lawless thugs. They don't care about statistics that show that more white people have died in police custody than black people. They don't care about hurting anyone..they just want to act like animals. Lock em up, tear gas them, tase them, I don't care. Is it a flawless system..no. But there are laws to protect people and they need to be followed..on both ends.
Why the curfew is not tonight, I don't know. Half a block is burning. Our mayor is a complete moron telling police to stand down and let them destroy.
I'm praying for our city tonight but part of me never wants to set foot in it again..I'm just disgusted.
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Post by Olan on Apr 28, 2015 2:21:14 GMT
I'm about 15 mins away from where all this is going down. It's tragic and just senseless. People who are doing this don't care about Frwddy Gray, they are lawless thugs. They don't care about statistics that show that more white people have died in police custody than black people. They don't care about hurting anyone..they just want to act like animals. Lock em up, tear gas them, tase them, I don't care. Is it a flawless system..no. But there are laws to protect people and they need to be followed..on both ends. Why the curfew is not tonight, I don't know. Half a block is burning. Our mayor is a complete moron telling police to stand down and let them destroy. I'm praying for our city tonight but part of me never wants to set foot in it again..I'm just disgusted. See what I mean? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 2:23:56 GMT
I'm about 15 mins away from where all this is going down. It's tragic and just senseless. People who are doing this don't care about Frwddy Gray, they are lawless thugs. They don't care about statistics that show that more white people have died in police custody than black people. They don't care about hurting anyone..they just want to act like animals. Lock em up, tear gas them, tase them, I don't care. Is it a flawless system..no. But there are laws to protect people and they need to be followed..on both ends. Why the curfew is not tonight, I don't know. Half a block is burning. Our mayor is a complete moron telling police to stand down and let them destroy. I'm praying for our city tonight but part of me never wants to set foot in it again..I'm just disgusted. See what I mean? If you mean that criminals should be treated like criminals, then yes I see what you mean. |
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Post by Olan on Apr 28, 2015 2:27:27 GMT
Well of course she didnt say that they should be treated like less than human but thats what the hell is happening.
And dying in police custody is different than being killed like an animal on the street. They don't make it back to the precinct. Where are the stats on that. Mass murders (Auro, Boston Marathon Bomber) were able to stand trial. Eric Garner died on the street. Michael Brown died on the street. John Crawford III. Walter Scott. Freddie Gray
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 2:27:30 GMT
I'm about 15 mins away from where all this is going down. It's tragic and just senseless. People who are doing this don't care about Frwddy Gray, they are lawless thugs. They don't care about statistics that show that more white people have died in police custody than black people. They don't care about hurting anyone..they just want to act like animals. Lock em up, tear gas them, tase them, I don't care. Is it a flawless system..no. But there are laws to protect people and they need to be followed..on both ends. Why the curfew is not tonight, I don't know. Half a block is burning. Our mayor is a complete moron telling police to stand down and let them destroy. I'm praying for our city tonight but part of me never wants to set foot in it again..I'm just disgusted. See what I mean? And just how would you propose handling someone who is completely out of control? Asking them politely and putting them in time out? So no, I DON'T see what you mean. |
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Post by Olan on Apr 28, 2015 2:33:48 GMT
Its easy to make it seem like I'm suggesting that lawless people shouldn't be dealt with that isn't what I'm saying at all and if you were being your authentic self you probably wouldn't have stopped at "Lock em up, tear gas them, tase them". The only difference between you and I is I DO CARE.
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Post by zztop11 on Apr 28, 2015 2:34:25 GMT
I live in the suburbs of Baltimore. Was downtown today with my husband and was wondering why it took us 1-1/2 hr to get home. Should have taken 30 min. Well we found out. Businesses had let out early and the rioting was starting. I also think the mayor didn't look and sound normal. I'm sure she's exhausted but she didn't sound very powerful. I'm wondering if maybe she didn't start the curfew tonight because she needed to give people time to get ready for this. You and I might be easily able to yell at our kids- hey kids, curfew get your butt inside and don't go out again. End of discussion. Considering that many of these young people are raising themselves, I don't think she wanted to make "waves". I think she trying to (as we used to call it) pus*y foot around the answer. She doesn't want to come off as being too aggressive. She's got both sides to work with. Now with a riot going on, I don't think that's necessarily the way to do it. Call in the national guard, empty out everyone from outside and take order. Boom. Boom. Boom. It's done. But maybe that's why I wouldn't make a good politician. Can't make both sides happy.
On another note, many years ago (25) I used to teach around those neighborhoods. They are tough. They were tough back then. We avoid them now. They are not in any way fun or nice.
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Post by kluski on Apr 28, 2015 2:37:26 GMT
I told my husband that it was almost like she was on something. She showed no emotion at all. I would have been yelling. Telling the "protesters" that they would be arrested and if they were juveniles, their parents would be arrested, too. She is always very flat in her interviews. Never shows emotion. |
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Post by roundtwo on Apr 28, 2015 2:38:34 GMT
I'm confused with the statement above. No one that I have seen on this thread or that I have seen on any news coverage, has given those responsible for the death of Mr Gray a pass for their crimes. I think everyone wants this properly investigated and those responsible prosecuted.
Those rioting and setting fires in Baltimore are thugs - they are certainly not doing any of these crimes in support of Freddie Gray and his family, the latter having expressed their sadness at the turn of events since they specifically asked that there be no protests or demonstrations on the day they put their loved one to rest. These people don't care at all about Mr. Gray, they are just taking advantage of the situation.
Perhaps I am just naive though, as I have never had a colour associated with the term "thug". I just always thought the word described anyone who breaks the law and inflicts harm and chaos on those around them.
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Post by peatlejuice on Apr 28, 2015 2:39:48 GMT
Its easy to make it seem like I'm suggesting that lawless people shouldn't be dealt with that isn't what I'm saying at all and if you were being your authentic self you probably wouldn't have stopped at "Lock em up, tear gas them, tase them". The only difference between you and I is I DO CARE. So what do you suggest they do? The city government has begged for peace, the local ministries have begged for peace. A councilman yelled at them to go home. The whole nation is seeing how effective that was. I care about people being treated like human, but these rioters aren't showing any concern for their fellow humans, so can you really blame the innocent in the area who are fearing these rioters for not caring how the authorities regain control? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 2:42:55 GMT
Its easy to make it seem like I'm suggesting that lawless people shouldn't be dealt with that isn't what I'm saying at all and if you were being your authentic self you probably wouldn't have stopped at "Lock em up, tear gas them, tase them". The only difference between you and I is I DO CARE. My authentic self? Really? Just so I know, what exactly is that? Because if I'm not sure how much more real my post could've been, I'm sure you can educate me, seeing how much you know about me from approximately a thousand random message board posts.  So what's your idea on how to handle lawless people? Should we hand out lollipops in a caring manner? Say pretty please? Ridiculous. |
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Post by Olan on Apr 28, 2015 2:44:11 GMT
Its easy to make it seem like I'm suggesting that lawless people shouldn't be dealt with that isn't what I'm saying at all and if you were being your authentic self you probably wouldn't have stopped at "Lock em up, tear gas them, tase them". The only difference between you and I is I DO CARE. So what do you suggest they do? The city government has begged for peace, the local ministries have begged for peace. A councilman yelled at them to go home. The whole nation is seeing how effective that was. I care about people being treated like human, but these rioters aren't showing any concern for their fellow humans, so can you really blame the innocent in the area who are fearing these rioters for not caring how the authorities regain control? I don't profess to be all knowing like some peas. I'm not a riot expert. Nothing I've said in this thread should have lead anyone to believe I am okay with the fact that people are rioting and looting. I used very pointed and clear wording and shared my views on the killing of black men at the hands of police. |
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Post by Olan on Apr 28, 2015 2:45:46 GMT
Its easy to make it seem like I'm suggesting that lawless people shouldn't be dealt with that isn't what I'm saying at all and if you were being your authentic self you probably wouldn't have stopped at "Lock em up, tear gas them, tase them". The only difference between you and I is I DO CARE. My authentic self? Really? Just so I know, what exactly is that? Because if I'm not sure how much more real my post could've been, I'm sure you can educate me, seeing how much you know about me from approximately a thousand random message board posts. So what's your idea on how to handle lawless people? Should we hand out lollipops in a caring manner? Say pretty please? Ridiculous. Go back to all my posts and quote where I've said lollipops should be handed out to the rioters and looters. Don't try and deflect. If you don't want to discuss what I've actually posted then don't. |
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Post by azredhead on Apr 28, 2015 2:46:26 GMT
So did they call in the National Gaurd? They keep saying they did but it sure doesn't look like it but it's hard tell from the coverage? So just checking different coverage.
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Post by foolana on Apr 28, 2015 2:50:57 GMT
no i have a problem with people like you who try to scoot around the fact that these idiots are nothing more than criminals. if i want to call the criminal a thug because the adjective fits the description, then that is what i'm going to do. to me it looks like you are trying to give them a pass..."code word, thug"? wtf is that? just because i'm white, i can't call a thug a thug??? |
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i don't care what color you are. if you perpetuate it, it means the same thing......a thug is a thug, is a thug.
