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Post by bc2ca on May 12, 2015 22:15:36 GMT
I don't get it. Was there evidence of anything? Last I heard, they said he "probably knew" or something like that. That doesn't sound like evidence to me.  Brady did not cooperate with the investigation and was not plausible with regards to the evidence he did provide. "The report documents your failure to cooperate fully and candidly with the investigation, including by refusing to produce any relevant electronic evidence (emails, texts, etc.), despite being offered extraordinary safeguards by the investigators to protect unrelated personal information, and by providing testimony that the report concludes was not plausible and contradicted by other evidence," Vincent wrote to Brady.
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Post by suzastampin on May 12, 2015 22:20:06 GMT
...don't know if it's true, but this morning on the radio I heard that there was a Go Fund Me campaign for fans to contribute which is to 'help' them pay their one million dollar fine-- if it's true, that is absolute horsesh!t-- they don't NEED any money donated; they have plenty. And, they're going to be saving some money on the whole thing anyway, with Tom Brady suspended... but people would contribute to it, for sure. There is one. Some idiot started it and last I saw there was $1300 in it. Nobody associated with the Patriots in any way started it. Everybody that I've seen has told people not to donate as $1 mil to Kraft is chump change. They don't need it. Also, since just "somebody" started it, they could be trying to rip people off. The FB posts I saw were people discouraging anybody from donating, |
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Post by greenlegume on May 12, 2015 22:20:48 GMT
Brady did not cooperate with the investigation and was not plausible with regards to the evidence he did provide. "The report documents your failure to cooperate fully and candidly with the investigation, including by refusing to produce any relevant electronic evidence (emails, texts, etc.), despite being offered extraordinary safeguards by the investigators to protect unrelated personal information, and by providing testimony that the report concludes was not plausible and contradicted by other evidence," Vincent wrote to Brady.
I doubt Tom has read that, since he has made it crystal clear that he.doesn't.care. But maybe Goodell could read it to him  It would make a great bedtime story, and Tom will no doubt be so bored that he will just drift right off into peaceful slumber. |
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Post by suzastampin on May 12, 2015 22:28:39 GMT
Brady did not cooperate with the investigation and was not plausible with regards to the evidence he did provide. "The report documents your failure to cooperate fully and candidly with the investigation, including by refusing to produce any relevant electronic evidence (emails, texts, etc.), despite being offered extraordinary safeguards by the investigators to protect unrelated personal information, and by providing testimony that the report concludes was not plausible and contradicted by other evidence," Vincent wrote to Brady.
And they kept all of the ball boys' texts secret. NOT! Once it's out there, there's no way they can guarantee that their "extraordinary safeguards" will protect personal info. |
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Post by greenlegume on May 12, 2015 22:34:08 GMT
The texts regarding football and the cheating are part of the report. There were never any promises not to release those. The protection they're talking about is other unrelated data from the phone or records. And all the naked pics of Gisele  |
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Post by bc2ca on May 12, 2015 22:38:58 GMT
Brady did not cooperate with the investigation and was not plausible with regards to the evidence he did provide. "The report documents your failure to cooperate fully and candidly with the investigation, including by refusing to produce any relevant electronic evidence (emails, texts, etc.), despite being offered extraordinary safeguards by the investigators to protect unrelated personal information, and by providing testimony that the report concludes was not plausible and contradicted by other evidence," Vincent wrote to Brady.
And they kept all of the ball boys' texts secret. NOT! Once it's out there, there's no way they can guarantee that their "extraordinary safeguards" will protect personal info. The promise was "to protect unrelated personal information" not texts and information directly related to the invesitgation. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 3:12:01 GMT
Just saw this on my FB feed: Patriots announce newcomer Dom Grady will start in replacement of suspended Tom Brady for first four games of the season.   |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 3:19:36 GMT
Judging by all the QBs that have said how they do this or that with their balls, I think they had to punish Brady as an example so that they won't be on TV telling what they do. That doesn't look good for the NFL. All was well and good for the NFL until this got legs and they couldn't let it go by. Lurkingsince2001, I think they had no choice but to suspend Peyton also because of how egregious the allegations. The money had to have come from some place that was being paid to the players. I do understand why you are comparing Peyton to BB. I just think it's apples to oranges on this. But, what do I know?  Just my humble opinion.  Eh . . . I think the entire NFL has become a joke. There are no actual rules and the only thing that matters is winning at all costs, and raking in those $$$. But all the fans who buy tickets, PPV, subscribe to the NFL channel, buy merchandise, etc. are the ones giving the NFL tacit approval of the way they're all conducting themselves. Every dime they spend is just a big *wink, wink, nudge nudge* As long as the money keeps rolling in, no one is going to make even the tiniest effort to change. Hence, all the token "punishments" and slaps on the wrist for every wrongdoer and scandal in the league. And there are too many to count/keep track of. The only thing that's going to get the league's attention is a serious hit to their revenue. Sadly, I don't think fans really care enough about right and wrong and truth and lies to send a message with their money. Nothing's going to change. And yeah, Rice should have been fined into oblivion and kicked off the team. No, out of the league. I totally agree. After all, why should the NFL change if the fans are still lining up, week after week buying all of the merchandise and wearing it to the games. The NFL is still getting all they want...MONEY. The NFL won't insist on change as long as the fans are totally okay with the status quo. And as disgusting as Brady's balls are, there are far worse things happening in the NFL and while the fans may care for a week or two...they have awfully short memories. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 17:37:32 GMT
Brady did not cooperate with the investigation and was not plausible with regards to the evidence he did provide. "The report documents your failure to cooperate fully and candidly with the investigation, including by refusing to produce any relevant electronic evidence (emails, texts, etc.), despite being offered extraordinary safeguards by the investigators to protect unrelated personal information, and by providing testimony that the report concludes was not plausible and contradicted by other evidence," Vincent wrote to Brady.
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Post by JustTricia on May 13, 2015 18:13:23 GMT
Pete Rose allegedly bet on baseball while manager. I just looked up the history. There was no definitive proof he ever bet against the Reds, he denied all claims, refused to appear for court, filed his own lawsuit, and in the end voluntarily agreed to "permanent ineligibility" to the Hall of Fame.
Think Brady will be ineligible for the Hall of Fame?
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Post by IAmUnoriginal on May 13, 2015 18:28:15 GMT
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Post by *KAS* on May 13, 2015 18:31:55 GMT
I don't give 2 shits about Tom Brady or the Patriots. But he was suspended because he didn't bend over for the NFL like they wanted him to. Deadspin wrote a great story on it. Their egos got bruised because he didn't bow down to the big mighty NFL Gods and give them what they wanted. That's why they are mad and suspended him. The Ray Rice thing is obviously much worse, in context. I'm not giving them a pass on that AT ALL. But I will say that I think they realized how crappy their domestic violence policy was after that ridiculous incident and made changes in light of it. The industry I work in, NASCAR, did the same, after watching the NFL situation play out. There was a NASCAR drive who was accused of domestic violence against his wife a couple years back - I honestly don't remember the outcome, but I know he wasn't punished by NASCAR - they let the courts give him whatever punishment they gave him. Yet this year, after the spotlight on DV, they suspended a driver for several races for being under suspicion of DV. His suspension wasn't lifted until he went through a counseling program AND the decision was made in the courts NOT to charge him with anything. NASCAR was very candid that their policy was weak in that area - not because they meant for it to be, it just wasn't something they'd really dealt with much - and the policy is now much tougher. So perhaps they (NFL and other pro sports) learned something from the heinous Ray Rice situation. They suspended or something that Carolina Panthers player pretty quickly after he was accused of DV. Not that it makes it ok - but at least they are learning. I just don't think that has anything to do with the Tom Brady situation. here's the Deadspin article if anyone is interested. The language is fairly colorful.  |
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Post by bc2ca on May 13, 2015 19:27:17 GMT
Brady did not cooperate with the investigation and was not plausible with regards to the evidence he did provide. "The report documents your failure to cooperate fully and candidly with the investigation, including by refusing to produce any relevant electronic evidence (emails, texts, etc.), despite being offered extraordinary safeguards by the investigators to protect unrelated personal information, and by providing testimony that the report concludes was not plausible and contradicted by other evidence," Vincent wrote to Brady.
There is nothing in the article that negates what Vincent wrote. Brady was interviewed. When his account could not be reconciled with other accounts of the event, access to the other employees was not given either. Interviewing involved parties multiple times is normal, especially if their accounts of events don't match. The NFL not doing the right thing in other instances of rule violations isn't an arguement for ignoring this violation. Iit does limit their (the NFL) credibility big time though. |
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Post by bc2ca on May 13, 2015 19:29:04 GMT
Just saw this on my FB feed: Patriots announce newcomer Dom Grady will start in replacement of suspended Tom Brady for first four games of the season. There are tears in my eyes - thanks for sharing. |
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Post by greenlegume on May 13, 2015 22:08:33 GMT
Pete Rose allegedly bet on baseball while manager. I just looked up the history. There was no definitive proof he ever bet against the Reds, he denied all claims, refused to appear for court, filed his own lawsuit, and in the end voluntarily agreed to "permanent ineligibility" to the Hall of Fame. Think Brady will be ineligible for the Hall of Fame? hell no. The NFL doesn't care, the players don't care, and fans don't care. Nothing's going to change, sadly. I have a hard time with the newest spin of trying to paint Brady as some maverick who wouldn't "bow down" to the NFL. He's not a hero or a badass. He wasn't standing up against any mistreatment or anything unfair. He was accused of something very serious at his job. That's his employer. He should cooperate with an investigation or face serious, serious consequences. But, in the end, it really doesn't matter a bit, because it's all just token taps on the wrist while they wait for the furor to die down. They're all just ready to get back to counting the millions that are pouring in.  |
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Post by JustTricia on May 13, 2015 22:39:04 GMT
somebody "most likely" knowing something is NOT the same as proof and the suspension was extremely harsh for something they "think" happened. if it was so obvious the ball was under-inflated, why didn't the officials notice it? answer: because it wasn't at all obvious. with respect to the text messages, they had the locker room staff's text messages-couldn't they see both sides of the conversations??? I know when I look at my text messages I can see what I type and what the other person types. I think the whole thing is bullshit and as for Brady being egotistical, the guy is a class act in my book, he's a true team player that cares deeply about the game. Of course it wasn't obviously noticeable. If you were going to try to cheat the system (whoever deflated the balls) wouldn't you do your darnedest to avoid drawing suspicion to it? (Because I just read another thread) people who counterfeit bills don't put the current president on a $20, they take the time to make it as close as possible to the legal one so as not to get caught. A "true team player that cares deeply about the game" who is innocent would be cooperating like crazy and giving proof to show he was innocent instead of not cooperating. If he cared about the game, he'd be doing everything in his power to try to avoid a black mark on the league. At least, that's what I would do if I were innocent. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 0:17:57 GMT
I agree he is not a hero or a badass.....
Employer investigations do not have to rise to the level of court investigations/rules of evidence/laws. They don't require the proof that a court/jury/judge would. The employer doesn't have to prove anything. And in most cases, failure to participate in the investigation will get you legally fired. The NFL doesn't have to PROVE anything. Although I did hear one commentator state that the way the report was written that it meant he was guilty without specifically stating it. But I haven't heard anything else to back that up.
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Post by SweetieBsMom on May 14, 2015 19:01:54 GMT
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Post by suzastampin on May 14, 2015 22:48:03 GMT
I haven't had time to get through that whole read, but found it odd that the Colts complained the day before, not at the game, and that two different gauges were used to measure the balls. |
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It would make a great bedtime story, and Tom will no doubt be so bored that he will just drift right off into peaceful slumber.
Just my humble opinion. 
