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Post by alittleintrepid on May 26, 2015 20:26:50 GMT
I haven't tried it in an effort to lose weight but it totally makes sense. In theory they're eating real food, right? Even if some of it is high in calories or carbs or whatever.
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Post by ReneeH20 on May 26, 2015 20:27:13 GMT
I read "Why French Women Don't Get Fat." I think there are a couple of things that really won't work for Americans. The main thing is that the French diet is not overloaded with sugar and chemicals the way American foods are. People walk a lot more in Europe and I noticed the times I have been in France that there is a lot more smoking.
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Post by hennybutton on May 26, 2015 20:43:30 GMT
I think it's great in concept. And, if you're only a little overweight, it might even work. However, for very overweight or obese people, it simply won't work. Why? Because, from early childhood, most people have been taught to clean their plates and eat what's put in front of them. They've learned to ignore real hunger cues and don't know when they've reached satiety. This is probably even true for many thin Americans as well. Here in America, we have an unhealthy dichotomy of large portions and guilt attached to food. We label everything as "good" or "bad", "healthy" or "unhealthy" without any really idea about what those words mean. In Europe, food is food and meant to be enjoyed. We don't truly enjoy and savor our food. Cheesecake Factory and Claimjumper aren't popular because of the quality of the food, but because of the huge portions.
I think we do need to take time to make real food and to sit down to savor it with other people. I just don't see that happening for us as a society any time soon.
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Post by lesley on May 26, 2015 20:55:33 GMT
I remember reading somewhere about the French attitude to dieting too. Instead of saying 'I've been good today' or 'I was bad last night', they talk about paying attention to what they eat instead. I love that. There is no value judgement being made, either about the qualities of food, or about the person eating.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 21:13:37 GMT
The French do get fat. Smoke and drink a lot. AND the most disappointing thing I learned. Not all French people make fantastic wholesome mouthwatering meals. They pour stuff out of can just like we do.
These books just rehash what we already know. Eat less, exercise more and enjoy life.
Btw my French friend went on one if the worse diets ever. She ate nothing but 1 1/2 small containers a day until she lost her baby weight.
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Post by happymomma on May 26, 2015 21:28:42 GMT
In the past year or so I have adopted the 'eat to live not live to eat' approach. I didn't know I was borrowing it from the French! I do eat what I really want, but have also focused more on veggies and fruits when I do eat. I've managed to lose about #50 since last March this way and it didn't feel like a diet at all. I also know that they do a lot of walking in situations where I would normally drive. I'm working on incorporating more walking into my life as well. It's a whole different way of life from what I have always known, but I am hoping it will help me take off the remaining #20 that I want to lose. Thanks for sharing that book.
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Post by anxiousmom on May 26, 2015 21:41:35 GMT
I've lost a ton of weight lately (lately being over the last two years.) I didn't even realize how overweight I had gotten, until I started losing. I rarely weigh myself but I have gone done at least 5 sizes. Anyway, the only thing I really changed was exactly this. I quit eating when I wasn't hungry, I ate several smaller meals throughout the day rather than random snacking and portion control was king. I didn't really change *what* I ate, I change *how* I ate. I cook and eat the same meals, I bake and eat the same goodies... So I guess in a way what you are saying is exactly what I did, and we agree that it is, then yes, I think it does work really well. Common sense stuff for sure. It has definitely become a way of life for me and is incredibly portable. The only time I have a real problem is when I go into a restaurant and they serve the giant portions of something so incredibly good that I want to eat it all at one time. I probably do overeat then, but I suppose the good thing about eating this way is that it isn't hard to get back on track...you get so used to eating smaller portions that when you over indulge your stomach hurts.
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Post by sharlag on May 26, 2015 21:45:40 GMT
The French do get fat. Smoke and drink a lot. AND the most disappointing thing I learned. Not all French people make fantastic wholesome mouthwatering meals. They pour stuff out of can just like we do. These books just rehash what we already know. Eat less, exercise more and enjoy life. Btw my French friend went on one if the worse diets ever. She ate nothing but 1 1/2 small containers a day until she lost her baby weight. Containers of WHAT??
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 21:58:53 GMT
SO funny, I was just thinking the other day that I should eat more French. I didn't know it was a thing. One big difference between French cuisine and typical American cuisine that strikes me everytime I look at Pinterest is: CHEESE! I swear, you can barely find an American dish (especially anything touted as fast/easy) that doesn't have something absolutely smothered in cheese. I recall when I was in France that cheese was amazing, but you only had a few small pieces with a meal. It was an accent, not a smother.
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Post by gar on May 26, 2015 22:01:46 GMT
SO funny, I was just thinking the other day that I should eat more French. I didn't know it was a thing. One big difference between French cuisine and typical American cuisine that strikes me everytime I look at Pinterest is: CHEESE! I swear, you can barely find an American dish (especially anything touted as fast/easy) that doesn't have something absolutely smothered in cheese. I recall when I was in France that cheese was amazing, but you only had a few small pieces with a meal. It was an accent, not a smother. And sugar. I saw a 'recipe' that was a pack of cake mix to which was added (among other things) a cup of brown sugar and a cup of powdered sugar!! Into a cake mix which presumably had plenty of sugar in it. You guys certainly have a sweet tooth - not saying we don't but maybe not quite to the same degree
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Post by anxiousmom on May 26, 2015 22:06:43 GMT
SO funny, I was just thinking the other day that I should eat more French. I didn't know it was a thing. One big difference between French cuisine and typical American cuisine that strikes me everytime I look at Pinterest is: CHEESE! I swear, you can barely find an American dish (especially anything touted as fast/easy) that doesn't have something absolutely smothered in cheese. I recall when I was in France that cheese was amazing, but you only had a few small pieces with a meal. It was an accent, not a smother. And sugar. I saw a 'recipe' that was a pack of cake mix to which was added (among other things) a cup of brown sugar and a cup of powdered sugar!! Into a cake mix which presumably had plenty of sugar in it. You guys certainly have a sweet tooth - not saying we don't but maybe not quite to the same degree As an American, I don't think I would care much for a box mix that had added brown sugar and powdered sugar! That seems like an awful lot to me too. Now the cheese? There is nothing better than ooey-gooey melty cheese.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 22:06:57 GMT
SO funny, I was just thinking the other day that I should eat more French. I didn't know it was a thing. One big difference between French cuisine and typical American cuisine that strikes me everytime I look at Pinterest is: CHEESE! I swear, you can barely find an American dish (especially anything touted as fast/easy) that doesn't have something absolutely smothered in cheese. I recall when I was in France that cheese was amazing, but you only had a few small pieces with a meal. It was an accent, not a smother. And sugar. I saw a 'recipe' that was a pack of cake mix to which was added (among other things) a cup of brown sugar and a cup of powdered sugar!! Into a cake mix which presumably had plenty of sugar in it. You guys certainly have a sweet tooth - not saying we don't but maybe not quite to the same degree Yes, I find most North American dessert/baking recipes way way way too sweet. It's cloying and not enjoyable.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on May 26, 2015 22:22:56 GMT
I've read about the French way of eating helping to keep them thin, but I also think it has to do with the amount of physical activity they do compared to us. They walk every where. And they climb stairs.
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Post by gar on May 26, 2015 22:39:44 GMT
Am I right in thinking that walking generally during your daily lives is not as do -able in terms of shopping, chores in town etc? Are most of your shops in mall type places rather than having a 'high street' in most towns as we have? I walk for pleasure/exercise but also I can walk 10 mins into my local town to shops as long as I'm not doing the weekly food shop obviously.
As for stairs - presumably they are there even though there are lifts/elevators available too?
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Post by smginaz Suzy on May 26, 2015 22:44:17 GMT
Aha! She just ate containers. No contents. There ya go!
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Post by gar on May 26, 2015 22:49:14 GMT
The French do get fat. Smoke and drink a lot. AND the most disappointing thing I learned. Not all French people make fantastic wholesome mouthwatering meals. They pour stuff out of can just like we do. These books just rehash what we already know. Eat less, exercise more and enjoy life. Btw my French friend went on one if the worse diets ever. She ate nothing but 1 1/2 small containers a day until she lost her baby weight. Containers of WHAT?? That's referring to another fad diet I believe. Everything measured out in containers.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on May 26, 2015 22:51:51 GMT
Am I right in thinking that walking generally during your daily lives is not as do -able in terms of shopping, chores in town etc? Are most of your shops in mall type places rather than having a 'high street' in most towns as we have? I walk for pleasure/exercise but also I can walk 10 mins into my local town to shops as long as I'm not doing the weekly food shop obviously. As for stairs - presumably they are there even though there are lifts/elevators available too? gar, unless you live in the middle of an urban area or in a city-proper, then walking to do chores, errands, etc. isn't really possible. As an example: --I live 35 miles from where I work, and my drive to/from work is 45 min - 1 hour one direction, depending on the amount of traffic. --The nearest grocery store to my house is 2.6 miles from my doorstep. There are four stoplights between the edge of my subdivision and the store, the main road is 3 lanes each direction (45 mph traffic that routinely goes even faster than that), and there aren't sidewalks for about half of that route. If I need to go to the store, I'm going to do it either on my way home from work, or on the weekend. ETA: my town is about 40,000 people, and my entire subdivision is somewhere upwards of about 3000 houses-- there are NO shops, etc. in that neighborhood area at all. You have to leave the subdivision to get to any shops. I think the way our newer towns are set up to have houses totally separate from any shopping areas are as much the issue as anything else. There are only two shopping centers in my entire town, and they are mostly in the main drag (which is a state highway) that goes right through the center of the town. The neighborhoods and houses are spread out around the edges of the town.
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Post by amandad74 on May 26, 2015 22:59:30 GMT
When we were over there last year, I lost weight. We were in Paris and London for a week each. We ate well but walked everywhere. Good luck!
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Post by calgal08 on May 26, 2015 23:01:07 GMT
People don't walk here compared to Europe. I used to think nothing of walking to the shops during my lunch break, which was probably at least 2 miles round trip. But, even without a lot of walking, the American diet (IMHO) is terrible. Processed foods are the norm instead of the exception, yes, I know I'm generalizing here. Yes, there are times when I open a box of mac and cheese for my kids and yes I also have fish sticks and chicken nuggets in the freezer; however, at least 90% of our meals (including breakfast, lunch and dinner) are homemade. Friends look at me like I've got 3 heads when I tell them I made a huge batch of pancakes to freeze for breakfast, etc. etc.
I agree with the French, everything in moderation. If you want ice-cream, have some, but not a bowl filled to the brim, topped with chocolate sauce, just have a small amount.
OK, I'll get off my soapbox now. It's just one of my pet peeves when people tell me I'm so lucky I don't gain weight. Yes I do, just as much as everyone else, I'm just a food nazi who eats a crazy amount of vegetables and doesn't overload on junk.
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Post by anxiousmom on May 26, 2015 23:02:08 GMT
I could probably walk to the grocery store, but no where else. But...I gotta say? I rarely am bothered by the heat, but walking to the grocery store in August, in Central Florida? That may even be a bit much even for me.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 23:18:12 GMT
The French do get fat. Smoke and drink a lot. AND the most disappointing thing I learned. Not all French people make fantastic wholesome mouthwatering meals. They pour stuff out of can just like we do. These books just rehash what we already know. Eat less, exercise more and enjoy life. Btw my French friend went on one if the worse diets ever. She ate nothing but 1 1/2 small containers a day until she lost her baby weight. Containers of WHAT?? Of plain yogurt! (Ps. I hate this stupid iphone. Always substituting us for is. Cutting off words. Changing words. Hate hate hate. )
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Post by 3dcrafter on May 26, 2015 23:21:16 GMT
One thing here that isn't addressed is that people eat when they are depressed, anxious, stressed etc. Being over weight and overeating can be a symptom of a greater problem. I suffer from depression and anxiety, and I tend to eat when I am in the mist of it. I have to constantly work to retrain myself to deal with it instead of eating(aka self medicating with sweets) which is really hard. When I'm not in the depression/anxiety mode I don't desire to eat all that stuff and I actually lose weight....anyway, I'm going to stop here before I start rambling lol.
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Post by bc2ca on May 26, 2015 23:35:53 GMT
SO funny, I was just thinking the other day that I should eat more French. I didn't know it was a thing. One big difference between French cuisine and typical American cuisine that strikes me everytime I look at Pinterest is: CHEESE! I swear, you can barely find an American dish (especially anything touted as fast/easy) that doesn't have something absolutely smothered in cheese. I recall when I was in France that cheese was amazing, but you only had a few small pieces with a meal. It was an accent, not a smother. I love the French cheese course . In my experience, the biggest differences between French and American approach to food is volume and not categorizing foods as good and bad. As Americans started eating out more in the 70s, portion sizes in restaurants increased dramatically. There are very few places that I don't bring home half my meal and that just isn't something that is done in Europe because the meal portion was appropriate not supersized.
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Post by mallie on May 27, 2015 0:07:07 GMT
Am I right in thinking that walking generally during your daily lives is not as do -able in terms of shopping, chores in town etc? Are most of your shops in mall type places rather than having a 'high street' in most towns as we have? I walk for pleasure/exercise but also I can walk 10 mins into my local town to shops as long as I'm not doing the weekly food shop obviously. As for stairs - presumably they are there even though there are lifts/elevators available too? When I was growing up in NYC, we walked to the corner store, but took the subway to the local grocery store. But that also meant we shopped every day or every other day because otherwise the bags would be too heavy. When we moved out of the city, it was to a smallish town (outside the city). We could still walk to the corner store and often did. But the grocery store was definitely a car trip. We could walk to the optometrist, florist, diner, bank, etc -- although those were a fair walk of over a mile and a half each way. But that was only in good weather. For much of the year, we would probably have taken a car due to cold or icy sidewalks. As an adult, I have never lived in a place where I could walk to anything. We've lived in small towns, suburbs, and cities -- but even in cities, we could never afford to live in the part of a city where you had close proximity to amenities. Today, as an example, we live in the burbs (once a small town that has become the suburbs) because the lower cost of housing plus the FAR better education made it a no-brainer choice. It is 2 miles to the nearest "corner store" (a chain convenience store at which I would not buy anything except gas and milk). To get anywhere else requires crossing a very busy 4 lane road that bisects the town. I would never want to try crossing that road on foot or by bike. The nearest grocery store is 3 miles away (and would require crossing that road). If we'd wanted to live in the nearest city and walk to amenities, our cost of housing would have easily tripled, if not more. And we still could not have walked to a grocery store because there are none in the city core itself. It would have necessitated a car or bus ride. I also think another change is our lifestyle. Daily shopping was more do-able back in the days before many parents chose to get their kids involved in 4 million activities that resulted in parents spending their non-work hours as unpaid chauffeurs. Stairs are obviously required, by code. But they are not next to the elevators and in many buildings, you'd have to really look to find them often they are in out of the way corners and women are often advised against using them for fear of attacks by criminals hiding in the stairwells because they are so often empty.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 0:34:04 GMT
When I read French don't get fAt , I think the author Left out how much expensive some foods are in France than here in the states.
When I made Thanksgiving dinner for 16 people, including appetizers and three desserts. That was something thAt French friends said they never could afford to do in France. I can't remember how much it would have cost them. , but definitely more than the $150 I spent.
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Post by M in Carolina on May 27, 2015 0:57:37 GMT
I've eaten more like the French for years, and I was able to stay at a good weight and maintain it. Lots of water, no soft drinks, especially at restaurants where they continually fill up your glass so you wind up drinking the equivalent of a 2 liter bottle with your meal-- some restaurant food is so salty you have to drink a lot.
I only ate things that I knew what the ingredients were, no chemicals and fillers and stuff.
I caught a lot of crap from my in-laws about not cleaning my plate and using doggy bags at restaurants, but I was the only one that wasn't severely overweight.
I only eat a little ice cream or whatever, and it's the best, most natural ice cream I can buy. I only need a couple of spoonfuls to enjoy the flavour, the last 5 spoonfuls don't taste any better than the first.
I'm also very aware of how full I am. Not being able to eat much means that I also make better choices and eat the foods I love. I turn down a lot of treats or foods that are mediocre because I don't really want them. When I'm at my inlaws house where they graze all the time--cupcakes and cookies and lots of snacks, I will sit down with them and drink a coffee or hot tea and nibble on one cookie--my SIL makes these Belgian butter cookies called Gauflets every Christmas. I don't feel the need to eat every time they do just because.
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Post by lisacharlotte on May 27, 2015 1:25:58 GMT
I'm lucky that I live close to my city center and have plenty of walking options. it's the reason I picked the area I live in. And yes, I had to pay for that privilege in home price and home age/less modern amenities. So worth it however. I can walk to 3 grocery stores, countless restaurants, bars, movie theaters, parks, a Target and Wal-Mart, etc within 2 miles of my house. A 4 mile round trip for me is a nice walk. The only downside is bitter cold Midwest winters.
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 27, 2015 3:43:37 GMT
I read "Why French Women Don't Get Fat." I think there are a couple of things that really won't work for Americans. The main thing is that the French diet is not overloaded with sugar and chemicals the way American foods are. People walk a lot more in Europe and I noticed the times I have been in France that there is a lot more smoking. I have a very good friend that was originally from Germany and she has said the same thing many, many times. They walk EVERYWHERE over there and it's not unheard of to walk several miles in an average day running errands that most of us would drive to. Many people there don't even own a car because they don't need one, shops and other necessities are much more conveniently located close to where people live.
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Post by lattemomof3 on May 27, 2015 3:48:47 GMT
In the past year or so I have adopted the 'eat to live not live to eat' approach. I didn't know I was borrowing it from the French! I do eat what I really want, but have also focused more on veggies and fruits when I do eat. I've managed to lose about #50 since last March this way and it didn't feel like a diet at all. I also know that they do a lot of walking in situations where I would normally drive. I'm working on incorporating more walking into my life as well. It's a whole different way of life from what I have always known, but I am hoping it will help me take off the remaining #20 that I want to lose. Thanks for sharing that book. Wow, that's so great!! Congrats on the weight loss! Did you just try to eat when you were hungry, watch portion sizes? I like fruits and veggies, so adding more of those is something I can do.
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Post by lattemomof3 on May 27, 2015 3:50:57 GMT
I've lost a ton of weight lately (lately being over the last two years.) I didn't even realize how overweight I had gotten, until I started losing. I rarely weigh myself but I have gone done at least 5 sizes. Anyway, the only thing I really changed was exactly this. I quit eating when I wasn't hungry, I ate several smaller meals throughout the day rather than random snacking and portion control was king. I didn't really change *what* I ate, I change *how* I ate. I cook and eat the same meals, I bake and eat the same goodies... So I guess in a way what you are saying is exactly what I did, and we agree that it is, then yes, I think it does work really well. Common sense stuff for sure. It has definitely become a way of life for me and is incredibly portable. The only time I have a real problem is when I go into a restaurant and they serve the giant portions of something so incredibly good that I want to eat it all at one time. I probably do overeat then, but I suppose the good thing about eating this way is that it isn't hard to get back on track...you get so used to eating smaller portions that when you over indulge your stomach hurts. Thanks for sharing this!! Gives me hope!! I eat pretty healthy at meals, but random snacking is my problem!!
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