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Post by scrappinghappy on Jul 12, 2014 20:30:59 GMT
We're traveling in Europe and honestly I have no idea how American tourists make it home alive in droves.
In less than 24 hours I have seen
1. Bare handed food handlers everywhere, airports, restaurants, street vendors and they're touching the food they're preparing
2. A two year old trip over her feet, her sandwich flying out her hand and spilling all over the floor, MOM just put it all back together and handed it back to her
3. A toddler in a stroller gnawing on a huge bun, it covered his whole face when he brought it to his mouth, lol so never mind the chocking hazard, but he kept dropping it. On a busy street. In a fish market that stank. And he kept dropping it because his parents kept giving it back to him to gnaw on more!
4. Food left out in unrefrigerated cases and handed to customers as they order including mayonnaise based salads.
Ok, hope I don't get sick because I am loving being here wayyyyy to much.
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Post by gar on Jul 12, 2014 20:36:37 GMT
I'm interested to know which countries? Glad you love it!
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Post by miominmio on Jul 12, 2014 20:58:24 GMT
I'm interested to know which countries? Glad you love it! I would too, because 4. freaked me out a bit, and I'm leaving for London in three days;-).
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scrappinghappy
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Post by scrappinghappy on Jul 12, 2014 21:05:59 GMT
So far... The Netherlands and Norway, then Belgium and back to Amsterdam to come home
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 21:08:20 GMT
Not to scare you but here's a story that happened every single time I ate bamboo shoots and chicken (takenoko raisu) in Japan. Every place I have eaten (and I have eaten at lots of people's houses in 10 years) made this in May. No one refrigerates it ever. It's just left on the burner (off setting) ad reheated for a "few days" aka a couple of weeks. They just add more sauce and chicken and bamboo. Now believe me I love this dish. It is an all time favourite of mine. Well every single time I eat it I get food poisoning. Every.single.time. I am talking throwing up, migraine and then the runs.
I totally get where you are coming from thinking the hygiene standards of food preparation are lacking. I have experienced the repercussions of this for years!
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Post by lucyg on Jul 12, 2014 21:27:01 GMT
I think if you're used to living/eating that way, you develop immunities and then you're less likely to get sick. Not 100% protected, of course, but in a better position than hapless American tourists, anyway. Good luck!
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Post by Eddie-n-Harley on Jul 12, 2014 22:07:29 GMT
Well, and, bacteria don't just spontaneously form on food-- they have to come from somewhere. The big food poisoning stories from the last few years seem to be from food getting contaminated in the fields (some lettuce mix) or at the processing plant (chicken, ground beef). I wonder if Europe has better standards on the production/harvesting/packaging end of things that makes contamination lower over there.
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Post by maryland on Jul 12, 2014 22:10:35 GMT
1. and 4. freak me out. I am so picky about food, and don't like to go to buffets. I am in the US.
My daughter would have no problem dropping food and eating it. And she is a 16 yr. old, will be a senior and is in the top 5% of her class at school. Yes, she grosses her dad and I out on many occasions!
Enjoy your trip!
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on Jul 12, 2014 22:22:25 GMT
One night I burned a pumpkin pie and it smelled so bad and it was to hot to stick in trash because It would have melted the bag so I put it on purch to cool. I lived in a apt and my neighbor camping knocking on my door to tell me the cats were eating my pie so I explained it was ok because it was just going to be tossed. She asked me of she could have it because she loved pie...lol I just stood there confused because cats where eating it! Plus it been out there for a while! She said she loves burned pies so I reminded her about the cats eating it and she said it was ok. She took it and I assume ate it because she reported back it was good! She wasn't without food so idk why she wanted it so bad. Later I found out she had major issues.
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Post by ddly on Jul 12, 2014 22:56:19 GMT
Burned cat eaten pie! Oh my! LOL! I'm not sure I would have been able to take her seriously.
Lisa D
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Post by Nink on Jul 12, 2014 22:58:59 GMT
Glad you are enjoying your trip. My brother lived in Germany for over 25 years and just recently moved back to the states. He said one of the hardest things he's having to re-adjust to, is how much more uptight we are over here as opposed to Europe. I guess they're just a more laid back, go with the flow bunch over there.
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Post by lucyg on Jul 13, 2014 1:34:39 GMT
Okay, I may be too casual in some of our "would you eat this" threads, but even I am totally grossed out by burned pie, left out all night, and half-eaten by CATS. gahhhh ...
(I admit I am mostly grossed out by the cat part. ICK!)
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Post by AussieMeg on Jul 13, 2014 1:46:50 GMT
Same here. I am usually on the side of "heck yeah I'd eat that" but reading about the left out burnt cat drool pie had my stomach doing flip flops.
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Post by LeaP on Jul 13, 2014 2:16:38 GMT
I'm interested to know which countries? Glad you love it! I would too, because 4. freaked me out a bit, and I'm leaving for London in three days;-). Don't be freaked out by #4, we took a nutritional class with Kaiser Permanente and the nutritionist told us that mayo is very stable because of the acidity. Most people who think they get sick on mayo, probably get sick from what the mayo was on.
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Post by Basket1lady on Jul 13, 2014 2:18:41 GMT
We were n London and Paris in April. I noticed how food servers were handling food with their bare hands. Then they wash them. Too often in America, I see rubber gloves being used and then the food handler touching something else. Gloves don't magically repel germs!
We went to a market in Paris near the Bastille. They had meats on ice, but cured sausages out of refrigeration. We ate it all and didn't get sick.
But burned, half eaten by wandering cats? No thank you. Feral cats carry A LOT of nasty germs and diseases.
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Post by Katiepotatie on Jul 13, 2014 2:22:32 GMT
Our Japanese exchange student wanted to make some beef dish that was supposed to be left out on the stove (no heat) all night. They do it all the time. Ummm...no. Just no.
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Post by padresfan619 on Jul 13, 2014 3:45:37 GMT
I would rather get food from a bare handed person than someone with gloves. Gloves give a false sense of security. And I'm not that bothered by a sandwich that has touched the ground, as long as it wasn't in a bathroom.
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Post by lucyg on Jul 13, 2014 3:47:03 GMT
"Eta: who was it that posted about sidewalk cupcakes in the first place? I remember the thread, but not the op. Did she make her way over to this site?" That was Blue Tulip (Martha) and yes, she's here. I guess she knows the peas will never forget her now! blue tulip
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Post by mama2three on Jul 13, 2014 3:59:31 GMT
Not to scare you but here's a story that happened every single time I ate bamboo shoots and chicken (takenoko raisu) in Japan. Every place I have eaten (and I have eaten at lots of people's houses in 10 years) made this in May. No one refrigerates it ever. It's just left on the burner (off setting) ad reheated for a "few days" aka a couple of weeks. They must have strong stomachs! Or, maybe all the salt in the soy sauce is helping preserve it?
My SIL is from China. Once when she visited the family cabin she decided to leave a cooked chicken out on the counter all night because that's what her mother always did with meats in China. No one noticed that she left it out until the next day she started to make lunch out of it for the whole family. My other SIL, a doctor, made her throw it away, and everyone has been afraid to eat at their house ever since. You can't leave that stuff out that long in 90 degree heat.
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Post by mama2three on Jul 13, 2014 4:01:15 GMT
I would rather get food from a bare handed person than someone with gloves. Gloves give a false sense of security. And I'm not that bothered by a sandwich that has touched the ground, as long as it wasn't in a bathroom. true. That bare handed person probably washes his hands more often than someone wearing gloves. Many times I have seen someone wearing gloves pick up their phone or rub their nose or touch something else likely to transfer germs to the gloves.
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Post by mama2three on Jul 13, 2014 4:03:16 GMT
I would too, because 4. freaked me out a bit, and I'm leaving for London in three days;-). Don't be freaked out by #4, we took a nutritional class with Kaiser Permanente and the nutritionist told us that mayo is very stable because of the acidity. Most people who think they get sick on mayo, probably get sick from what the mayo was on. This is very true. Typically it's the potatoes in the potato salad that cause people to get sick, not the mayo.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2014 4:05:46 GMT
I would rather get food from a bare handed person than someone with gloves. Gloves give a false sense of security. And I'm not that bothered by a sandwich that has touched the ground, as long as it wasn't in a bathroom. true. That bare handed person probably washes his hands more often than someone wearing gloves. Many times I have seen someone wearing gloves pick up their phone or rub their nose or touch something else likely to transfer germs to the gloves. This happened in Vancouver somewhere at a deli (and a good deli at that). They had a worker with Hep A and he was working there. I don't know if someone shows symptoms of hepatitis but this guy was working there and everyone who bought food from the deli from ABC day to XYZ day (the day he was terminated) needed a hepatitis A shot. The health authority was vaccinating everyone they could find yet still some people got hepatitis A from him. A couple of women flew to Calgary and I believe one or both of them got hepatitis from him. Scary stuff!
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Post by iteach3rdgrade on Jul 13, 2014 5:08:58 GMT
I would rather get food from a bare handed person than someone with gloves. Gloves give a false sense of security. And I'm not that bothered by a sandwich that has touched the ground, as long as it wasn't in a bathroom. No kidding! On vacation we went to breakfast and sat at the counter. I was hungry so I ate, but had I not been very hungry then I may have skipped half the meal. I did give DH my buttered toast based on what I saw. The cook wiped the knife off with the towel on the counter which was used for that from what I could tell. I told DH that I didn't understand why they wore gloves. I think I'd rather see them sanitize and wash often. I won't sit at a counter seat again where I can see the food being cooked.
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Post by craftchickapowpow on Jul 13, 2014 5:50:36 GMT
Not to scare you but here's a story that happened every single time I ate bamboo shoots and chicken (takenoko raisu) in Japan. Every place I have eaten (and I have eaten at lots of people's houses in 10 years) made this in May. No one refrigerates it ever. It's just left on the burner (off setting) ad reheated for a "few days" aka a couple of weeks. They just add more sauce and chicken and bamboo. Now believe me I love this dish. It is an all time favourite of mine. Well every single time I eat it I get food poisoning. Every.single.time. I am talking throwing up, migraine and then the runs. I totally get where you are coming from thinking the hygiene standards of food preparation are lacking. I have experienced the repercussions of this for years! I'm just baffled that you would. "love this dish," consider it "an all time favorite," eat it in many different places for 10 years" knowing that "no one refrigerates it ever and it sits out for weeks and just gets reheated" and that "every single time you eat it you get food poisoning" and you kept eating it!! Who does this? Sounds like suicide by takenoko raisu, I'm surprised you never ended up in the hospital
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Post by KiwiJo on Jul 13, 2014 6:04:39 GMT
I think if you're used to living/eating that way, you develop immunities and then you're less likely to get sick. Not 100% protected, of course, but in a better position than hapless American tourists, anyway. Yes, I think this is true.
My husband is a microbiologist and when we travel overseas I would love to try some of the "street food" we see, but he won't have any and he discourages me from having it.
The people who live there are fine to eat it, but our gut flora is different to theirs. Our guts are used to certain bacteria, and we get sick if we ingest some other bacteria - bacteria that may not cause any problems for people who are used to it.
He also believes gloves should be banned for people who handle food. As others above have said, wearing gloves gives a false sense of security to the food handler and the person buying the food. Far better to have the person wash their bare hands more often.
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Post by anniebygaslight on Jul 13, 2014 6:34:52 GMT
Not to scare you but here's a story that happened every single time I ate bamboo shoots and chicken (takenoko raisu) in Japan. Every place I have eaten (and I have eaten at lots of people's houses in 10 years) made this in May. No one refrigerates it ever. It's just left on the burner (off setting) ad reheated for a "few days" aka a couple of weeks. They just add more sauce and chicken and bamboo. Now believe me I love this dish. It is an all time favourite of mine. Well every single time I eat it I get food poisoning. Every.single.time. I am talking throwing up, migraine and then the runs. I totally get where you are coming from thinking the hygiene standards of food preparation are lacking. I have experienced the repercussions of this for years! I'm just baffled that you would. "love this dish," consider it "an all time favorite," eat it in many different places for 10 years" knowing that "no one refrigerates it ever and it sits out for weeks and just gets reheated" and that "every single time you eat it you get food poisoning" and you kept eating it!! Who does this? Sounds like suicide by takenoko raisu, I'm surprised you never ended up in the hospital I am wondering why on earth you would eat this again if it makes you ill every.single.time.
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Post by BeckyTech on Jul 13, 2014 6:41:05 GMT
Burned cat eaten pie! Oh my! LOL! I'm not sure I would have been able to take her seriously. Lisa D Okay, let me get this straight. We have: - sidewalk cupcakes
- driveway cheese
and now we are adding to the list? Okay, then, I just wanted to make sure I've got it all!
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Post by tania7424 on Jul 13, 2014 6:59:39 GMT
Don't be freaked out by #4, we took a nutritional class with Kaiser Permanente and the nutritionist told us that mayo is very stable because of the acidity. Most people who think they get sick on mayo, probably get sick from what the mayo was on. This is very true. Typically it's the potatoes in the potato salad that cause people to get sick, not the mayo. True. Potatoes spoil in less than 2 hours of not being kept either warm, or refrigerated. When we were in Mexico there were packets of Hellman's like you would see fast food to go ketchup on tables, in full sun. No one was getting sick. I ate it on my burger and didn't get sick. Commercially prepared mayo doesn't even have raw eggs in it like a homemade mayo would. It's more likely to be a pasteurized egg product.
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Post by tmarschall on Jul 13, 2014 7:21:48 GMT
Ok, "burnt cat eaten pie" just ended 10+ years of lurkdom for me. I've read all the turkeygate, dog ate baby Jesus, farting , once when I was pregnant threads, and of course the sidewalk cupcakes. I posted a bit way back in the day, but nothing in YEARS. Til this minute. Because... "BURNT CAT EATEN PIE"! Love you ladies! Tracy
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Jul 13, 2014 7:34:35 GMT
Ok, "burnt cat eaten pie" just ended 10+ years of lurkdom for me. I've read all the turkeygate, dog ate baby Jesus, farting , once when I was pregnant threads, and of course the sidewalk cupcakes. I posted a bit way back in the day, but nothing in YEARS. Til this minute. Because... "BURNT CAT EATEN PIE"! Love you ladies! Tracy Well hello there! Sharing a laugh with you over this one- good enough to bring people out of 10 year lurkdom! My closest university friend was the first of our group to get married and buy a house. We loved to hang out there until they acquired 2 cats and proudly showed us how the cats could open the refrigerator...
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