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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 20:41:18 GMT
That is just the dumbest thing!! Do all those people at SC really think this is a good business move?! It's laughable really. That's equivalent to going to a hobby store to get say, painting supplies for your painting. After years of buying your paints and brushes and canvases, you go in there one day and they changed the inventory on the shelves. No more paint tubes or brushes, now there is only completed paintings for sale. What the hell?! Is SC deliberately trying to hand over their card kit business to Simon Says Stamp?! SSS is a better kit and better value anyway...
I predict there will be changes made to the PL and Scrapbooking kits next. They are already asking questions about what people want to see in the PL kits. It's like they are losing their creative steam over there.
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Post by abr79 on Aug 4, 2015 20:45:41 GMT
That is just the dumbest thing!! Do all those people at SC really think this is a good business move?! It's laughable really. That's equivalent to going to a hobby store to get say, painting supplies for your painting. After years of buying your paints and brushes and canvases, you go in there one day and they changed the inventory on the shelves. No more paint tubes or brushes, now there is only completed paintings for sale. What the hell?! Is SC deliberately trying to hand over their card kit business to Simon Says Stamp?! SSS is a better kit and better value anyway... I predict there will be changes made to the PL and Scrapbooking kits next. They are already asking questions about what people want to see in the PL kits. It's like they are losing their creative steam over there. Honestly - when they decreased the number of PP in the scrapbook kit, I felt the shift then. I knew it was a matter of time before changes came to all the other subs. I only got my hand slapped for even speaking up since I didn't sub to the SB but, you know...whatever. I will give them this - it's a good thing they are offering people an out of the sub without penalty. And they wondered why everyone was calling for some kind of commitment on their end. I haven't checked out SSS yet - I only ever got the SC kit once in awhile. But I'm going to want a kit here coming up for October and December. Off to their website! Thanks! |
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Post by anniefb on Aug 4, 2015 20:52:41 GMT
That is just the dumbest thing!! Do all those people at SC really think this is a good business move?! It's laughable really. That's equivalent to going to a hobby store to get say, painting supplies for your painting. After years of buying your paints and brushes and canvases, you go in there one day and they changed the inventory on the shelves. No more paint tubes or brushes, now there is only completed paintings for sale. What the hell?! Is SC deliberately trying to hand over their card kit business to Simon Says Stamp?! SSS is a better kit and better value anyway... I predict there will be changes made to the PL and Scrapbooking kits next. They are already asking questions about what people want to see in the PL kits. It's like they are losing their creative steam over there. Papertrey Ink also have kit options with exclusive stamps, dies, paper and embellishments. It's not a sub but kits available every few months: nicholeheady.typepad.com/capture_the_moment/make-it-market-kits/nicholeheady.typepad.com/capture_the_moment/make-it-market-mini-kits/ |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 22:04:52 GMT
Ugh. Disappointed again. I still get my 3 SC subs, but I'm certainly no cheerleader. I just wanted time to mull over what to do in January. I may still keep one, which would have either been the scrapbook main or card kit. I have no interest in anything stationary, I'm a card maker. If I understand the offer for rewards card subscribers, I'll prob hang on until September. First kit may be nice, but I already know what happens over time. And really, it has at least a $40 value?
I did sign up for Citrus Twist and I'm very excited for that. Beyond that, though, I'm just going to keep up by purchasing on my own even if I cancel all my SC subs. I want kits with the custom stamps which is 95% of the reason I've stuck with SC.
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Post by mnscrapper on Aug 4, 2015 22:24:29 GMT
And the thread is now locked.
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Post by anniefb on Aug 4, 2015 22:42:30 GMT
Yeah looks like a complete change of direction - maybe to cut down on creative and production costs or something. Don't get it at all.
And the piecemeal changes have me worried- they should have announced this at the same time as everything else.
I think I'll wait for Sept sneaks and cancel the SB if it's similar to recent kits which seem really disjointed now I look at everything.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 22:53:52 GMT
WTH is UP with SC? I really don't get it. I've never seen a more disjointed, confusing, ass-backwards company. They spend all of their time making change after change after change, and they can't perfect a one of them. Lots of changes, in a short period of time, doesn't sound good to me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 22:58:24 GMT
The card pictured in the email wasn't even nice. So you'll get premade cards and maybe some stickers, or washi or something? WTH, it's actually laughable. Although, I do really feel bad for those members that loved getting their card kits.
Time to look at SSS folks.
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Post by freeatlast on Aug 4, 2015 23:26:33 GMT
I just do not understand what is going on over there. As a card maker, I am just shaking my head. So glad I canceled this sub a long time ago.
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Post by mdpea on Aug 4, 2015 23:27:21 GMT
I ended my PL sub over a year and a half ago. I think this thread is giving SC too much attention personally, I saw let's move on and enjoy our new members nice board. If I had seen this yesterday, I would have absolutely agreed with you. However today is a brand new day, but unfortunately, the same old BS is going on over there. Will they never learn? And then the school mistress like way they lock the thread?? We told you not to do this, but you still did it anyway. Naughty children. ETA: I am enjoying the influx of new members though. Their loss is 2peas refugees' gain. |
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Post by mdpea on Aug 4, 2015 23:32:09 GMT
I've been on the fence about signing up here since everything went down at SC. Mostly because I don't like to comment much. But after today's email about the SC card kit, I've had enough. I was only planning to stay at SC through the Christmas/holiday roll out of product, but now I don't much care. As it was, I already thought the cost of things were a bit high. In fact, I actually share a subscription with a friend (she get's PL and I get the card kit under one use name) so we could split shipping costs. I wasn't as invested in the 2Ps community, as I found them when I first started card making and then they shut down shortly after that. But it appears that SC is on their way out too. Why does buying paper crafts have to be so hard or confusing? I buy stuff online all the time (as I'm sure most people do) and it's not so hard. You find something you like, you add it to your cart, you see how much shipping costs, and then you decide if you're going to pay it or not. Why are there subscriptions and crazy cancellation policies. And don't even get me started on this month to month thing where once you get to see only a snippet of what you're agreeing to pay for you then have a few days to commit or cancel. THAT IS CRAZY! I'm curious as to how long the message board post will last before it gets locked and deleted since now you're not allowed to say anything without being scolded. Sorry, end rant. I had to get it out. I'm excited to join this community! Welcome. Don't be shy. I never posted at the old 2 peas, far too scary. This place is not like that at all. |
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Post by kaybree on Aug 4, 2015 23:51:09 GMT
Whoa, what is going on over there? They only thing they are consistent at is alienating their customers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 23:51:25 GMT
Another thing-they drop this bomb on everybody, which nobody was expecting and starts next month, and they don't want people to talk about it. WTF? Well, I should say, the only thing they want people to say is: "WOW--AWESOME, FANTASTIC, WAY TO GO SC!!! OH, and that card sample in the email is beautiful!!!"  |
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Post by kaybree on Aug 4, 2015 23:56:22 GMT
Oh how nice, they haven't even revised their website. You can still go and subscribe to a 12-month committment of the "Card" kit.
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Post by scrapgirl on Aug 4, 2015 23:57:45 GMT
Another thing-they drop this bomb on everybody, which nobody was expecting and starts next month, and they don't want people to talk about it. WTF? Well, I should say, the only thing they want people to say is: "WOW--AWESOME, FANTASTIC, WAY TO GO SC!!! OH, and that card sample in the email is beautiful!!!" I do think it's kind of interesting that they implement the new TOU right before they announce this change. The cynic in me says that they did that to stop any discourse/feedback about this change. They saw what happened when they announced the shipping/cancellation fee changes, and decided to nip any potential problems (ie, honest feedback) in the bud. |
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Post by kaybree on Aug 5, 2015 0:02:48 GMT
Another thing-they drop this bomb on everybody, which nobody was expecting and starts next month, and they don't want people to talk about it. WTF? Well, I should say, the only thing they want people to say is: "WOW--AWESOME, FANTASTIC, WAY TO GO SC!!! OH, and that card sample in the email is beautiful!!!" I do think it's kind of interesting that they implement the new TOU right before they announce this change. The cynic in me says that they did that to stop any discourse/feedback about this change. They saw what happened when they announced the shipping/cancellation fee changes, and decided to nip any potential problems (ie, honest feedback) in the bud. Yup. I thought the exact same thing. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 0:11:19 GMT
These crazy changes have to do with financial problems. Nothing else makes sense. I just feel really bad for all of the SC employees. It's got to be crazy chaotic over there right now for many reasons.
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Post by anniefb on Aug 5, 2015 0:31:16 GMT
Another thing-they drop this bomb on everybody, which nobody was expecting and starts next month, and they don't want people to talk about it. WTF? Well, I should say, the only thing they want people to say is: "WOW--AWESOME, FANTASTIC, WAY TO GO SC!!! OH, and that card sample in the email is beautiful!!!" I do think it's kind of interesting that they implement the new TOU right before they announce this change. The cynic in me says that they did that to stop any discourse/feedback about this change. They saw what happened when they announced the shipping/cancellation fee changes, and decided to nip any potential problems (ie, honest feedback) in the bud. Yep, now it all makes sense. |
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Post by needtime2scrap on Aug 5, 2015 0:43:42 GMT
Remember when April said that she talked over her business with that guy (can't remember his name but he passed away recently) and she was saying that she either got advice or started some kind of consultant kind of thing with him? I really wonder if this is the aftermath of that. Maybe there weren't as many card kit subbers and they needed to drop the lowest profit kit? But replacing it with a cheap to produce kit they think they are satisfying everyone? It's like SC is an ostrich with its head in the sand. Lalalalala can't hear you!
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Post by beaglemom on Aug 5, 2015 0:58:40 GMT
I should have canceled back in October. I pre-oredered the Cathy Z 30 days of Thankful kit within minutes of it being announced. End of October I get my package and the only thing in it was the small stamp. Started a conversation asking about it. I was told I had to send them a picture of the envelope and what I got - thankfully the trash hadn't been emptied and I was able to find the envelope. It took almost a month for my kit to arrive - mid November for a kit that was supposed to be about documenting the month. Every time I sent a message I was told oops it should have gone out, not sure why it didn't it will go out tomorrow or the next day. I brought up how disappointed I was, nothing.
I cancelled my SB kit a couple months ago, but since I had the rewards and was finally getting my kits in a timely manner and a decent discount on the digital stuff I was going to keep my pl sub. But I got sucked in by one of their extend your sub freebie things a couple months ago right before they made changes and I am counting down till I can cancel!
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Post by meganliane on Aug 5, 2015 1:03:02 GMT
I was really surprised by the card kit going away. I bought the card kit from time to time and subscribed for awhile. I really liked the kit- just didn't use it enough to get one every month.
To me, card making is on the rise so it is kind of confusing. I guess this sub didn't do well despite card making being very hot. I think if they had more card makers on the CT it would have helped. I mean SSS kits are completely sold by their design team. I also don't think most card makers want a stationary kit. I am a scrapbooker first but also like making cards and I am not interested at all in a stationary kit.
Anyways I will miss the card kit but at least I can stop spending $$$ and now use my stash of kits.
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Post by Peamac on Aug 5, 2015 1:35:16 GMT
Two questions-
1. do you think they are trying to get rid of their subbers so they can stop doing kits and focus on producing new products? I'm not a fan of most SC stuff- the colors and designs are not my style at all- but the wood veneers, washi, badges, and other embellishments are cute. Maybe they're wanting to head a different direction and just sell products to stores, rather than kits to subbers?
2. for those of you who are hanging on to the last few months of your PL sub b/c you want to finish out the year with SC product-- do the monthly kits really coordinate with each other, so that you'd notice if you used a different company for the last several layouts? As a pp mentioned, the items in the kits often seem so disjointed, they don't really look like they go well as a kit, much less a year of kits.
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Post by christyharris on Aug 5, 2015 1:53:56 GMT
Two questions- 1. do you think they are trying to get rid of their subbers so they can stop doing kits and focus on producing new products? I'm not a fan of most SC stuff- the colors and designs are not my style at all- but the wood veneers, washi, badges, and other embellishments are cute. Maybe they're wanting to head a different direction and just sell products to stores, rather than kits to subbers? 2. for those of you who are hanging on to the last few months of your PL sub b/c you want to finish out the year with SC product-- do the monthly kits really coordinate with each other, so that you'd notice if you used a different company for the last several layouts? As a pp mentioned, the items in the kits often seem so disjointed, they don't really look like they go well as a kit, much less a year of kits. 1. I really don't know, this whole thing boggles my mind! I don't understand what they are thinking over there or what their end goal is. They were either trying to get rid of customers or at least a certain type of customer or they reall truly thought that all of this would go differently. That everyone would be excited and throw rose petals at their feet of awesomeness. I don't get it! 2. Honestly no. The kits don't go together from month to month, each one has different color schemes, designers and styles, so maybe by them each being different enough they somehow go together? Lol it would look weird if I now used a single core kit for the rest of the year that all matched. But I really just want at least one of the PL pouches before I quit which I was supposed to have had by now! |
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Post by DinCA on Aug 5, 2015 2:03:15 GMT
WTH is UP with SC? I really don't get it. I've never seen a more disjointed, confusing, ass-backwards company. They spend all of their time making change after change after change, and they can't perfect a one of them. Lots of changes, in a short period of time, doesn't sound good to me. My take on it: Ali's and ABM's models are working really well so they have decided to change to the same model because their current model is no longer profitable. The increasing costs of manufacturing and shipping have made it impossible to continue with the current business model. So, they had two options, return to creating fewer exclusive items or change everything. They chose to change everything. The only problem is that they don't have an artist, like Ali or Elsie, to draw customers in. They have also alienated their most loyal subscribers by making these changes without notice and by making them in stages. There likely would have been a different result if they had been honest from the beginning about the reasons for the changes and if they had made all of the changes at one time. One shock after another is not the way to go. The people who were left were just beginning to get their footing again, only to have the rug pulled out again. I have been a cheerleader for SC for five years. I've seriously never said anything negative publicly, or even really had a reason to, until these changes. I don't recognize the place anymore. And I'm not critical because I don't like change, even though I don't, but because the SC I pledged my loyalty to no longer exists. |
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Post by anniefb on Aug 5, 2015 2:04:32 GMT
Two questions- 1. do you think they are trying to get rid of their subbers so they can stop doing kits and focus on producing new products? I'm not a fan of most SC stuff- the colors and designs are not my style at all- but the wood veneers, washi, badges, and other embellishments are cute. Maybe they're wanting to head a different direction and just sell products to stores, rather than kits to subbers? 2. for those of you who are hanging on to the last few months of your PL sub b/c you want to finish out the year with SC product-- do the monthly kits really coordinate with each other, so that you'd notice if you used a different company for the last several layouts? As a pp mentioned, the items in the kits often seem so disjointed, they don't really look like they go well as a kit, much less a year of kits. 1. I really don't know, this whole thing boggles my mind! I don't understand what they are thinking over there or what their end goal is. They were either trying to get rid of customers or at least a certain type of customer or they reall truly thought that all of this would go differently. That everyone would be excited and throw rose petals at their feet of awesomeness. I don't get it! 2. Honestly no. The kits don't go together from month to month, each one has different color schemes, designers and styles, so maybe by them each being different enough they somehow go together? Lol it would look weird if I now used a single core kit for the rest of the year that all matched. But I really just want at least one of the PL pouches before I quit which I was supposed to have had by now! Those elusive pouches - LOL! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 2:13:58 GMT
Two questions- 1. do you think they are trying to get rid of their subbers so they can stop doing kits and focus on producing new products? I'm not a fan of most SC stuff- the colors and designs are not my style at all- but the wood veneers, washi, badges, and other embellishments are cute. Maybe they're wanting to head a different direction and just sell products to stores, rather than kits to subbers? 2. for those of you who are hanging on to the last few months of your PL sub b/c you want to finish out the year with SC product-- do the monthly kits really coordinate with each other, so that you'd notice if you used a different company for the last several layouts? As a pp mentioned, the items in the kits often seem so disjointed, they don't really look like they go well as a kit, much less a year of kits. 1. I really don't know, this whole thing boggles my mind! I don't understand what they are thinking over there or what their end goal is. They were either trying to get rid of customers or at least a certain type of customer or they reall truly thought that all of this would go differently. That everyone would be excited and throw rose petals at their feet of awesomeness. I don't get it! 2. Honestly no. The kits don't go together from month to month, each one has different color schemes, designers and styles, so maybe by them each being different enough they somehow go together? Lol it would look weird if I now used a single core kit for the rest of the year that all matched. But I really just want at least one of the PL pouches before I quit which I was supposed to have had by now! You can get a very similar pouch on Amazon. zipper pouch |
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Post by meganliane on Aug 5, 2015 2:32:29 GMT
I am agree with DinCA in the fact that they see how well the other brands (AE and ABM) are doing so are switching to that format. I think if they added a class along with the kits (like AE) then it would be easier to sub. I would have loved to sub if they would have had say Nicole Magourik teach a card sub class! For me, it is not the administrative changes that have made me not sub, it is more that I don't like all the kits. I have to say I loved Odyssey and I really liked Lisse Street but those are the only two I have really liked in awhile. I don't mind paying extra for things if I love them and will use them but I haven't loved them lately. I think things have really changed since they have taken over other brands. Also I think some of designing the kit has gone to others when it used to be mainly April - with the help of others. While I still mostly like the paper, the exclusive embellishments have been underwhelming lately. |
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Post by cynipidae17 on Aug 5, 2015 3:07:25 GMT
I have another question, does anyone know why SC does their products under Seven Paper? Are they trying to separate the two for some reason?
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Post by penny on Aug 5, 2015 3:39:19 GMT
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Post by Skellinton on Aug 5, 2015 3:40:21 GMT
I have another question, does anyone know why SC does their products under Seven Paper? Are they trying to separate the two for some reason? I think because AC owns the SC retail line. It is odd though. |
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