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Post by abr79 on Aug 5, 2015 3:41:00 GMT
The reason for Amber locking that thread makes no sense. No one was asking questions of SC and none of the comments, that I saw, were of the transactional nature...people were just discussing the change. Wow. Just wow.
I've said that a lot about that company the last month but it fits so well.
Run like the wind, people. I know some of you want to finish your PL year with SC kits, and I understand not wanting to switch to a core kit for the rest which could be too matchy but get some variety from another club. SC is a mess and if you don't think changes could come to the PL kit before December, you're not paying attention. Get out now - especially if you're out of commitment.
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Post by anniefb on Aug 5, 2015 4:05:59 GMT
The reason for Amber locking that thread makes no sense. No one was asking questions of SC and none of the comments, that I saw, were of the transactional nature...people were just discussing the change. Wow. Just wow. I've said that a lot about that company the last month but it fits so well. Run like the wind, people. I know some of you want to finish your PL year with SC kits, and I understand not wanting to switch to a core kit for the rest which could be too matchy but get some variety from another club. SC is a mess and if you don't think changes could come to the PL kit before December, you're not paying attention. Get out now - especially if you're out of commitment. Yeah I think you're right abr79. I'm just about to sign up with Citrus Twist for a SB kit and will take it from there. |
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Post by anniefb on Aug 5, 2015 4:14:27 GMT
I have another question, does anyone know why SC does their products under Seven Paper? Are they trying to separate the two for some reason? I think because AC owns the SC retail line. It is odd though. I wonder if the 7 Paper line is showing us the new face of SC - basically buy an album and a collection and stick it together in a flash. No stamps, just mass-produced kind of products that look like everything else AC produces? |
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Aug 5, 2015 9:11:15 GMT
Whoa, what is going on over there? They only thing they are consistent at is alienating their customers. I still have a page and a half of posts to read, but here goes: I think this is a complicated psychology experiment a la Douglas Adams  , not a kit club at all. That being the case, depending on where a person sits on the subscriber/ customer spectrum, the message is either "Don't Panic...." or "So long and thanks for all the fish". On the good side, welcome to yet more new members on our board. |
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Post by saralovesducks on Aug 5, 2015 10:07:05 GMT
I am agree with DinCA in the fact that they see how well the other brands (AE and ABM) are doing so are switching to that format. I think if they added a class along with the kits (like AE) then it would be easier to sub. I would have loved to sub if they would have had say Nicole Magourik teach a card sub class! For me, it is not the administrative changes that have made me not sub, it is more that I don't like all the kits. I have to say I loved Odyssey and I really liked Lisse Street but those are the only two I have really liked in awhile. I don't mind paying extra for things if I love them and will use them but I haven't loved them lately. I think things have really changed since they have taken over other brands. Also I think some of designing the kit has gone to others when it used to be mainly April - with the help of others. While I still mostly like the paper, the exclusive embellishments have been underwhelming lately. Yep, that makes sense!! My two cents on this: The problem with trying to mimic AE is that she has a super strong concept/philosophy, whereas SC has none. And the problem with trying to mimic ABM is the lack of a solid artist behind the kits (Elsie) and the kits somehow coordinating/having a cohesive style. I'm trying to find the words but this last change is so crazy WTF. When you think they are done BAM more BS |
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Post by abr79 on Aug 5, 2015 12:08:31 GMT
I ended my PL sub over a year and a half ago. I think this thread is giving SC too much attention personally, I saw let's move on and enjoy our new members nice board. If I had seen this yesterday, I would have absolutely agreed with you. However today is a brand new day, but unfortunately, the same old BS is going on over there. Will they never learn? And then the school mistress like way they lock the thread?? We told you not to do this, but you still did it anyway. Naughty children. ETA: I am enjoying the influx of new members though. Their loss is 2peas refugees' gain. The thread locking and post deleting is actually bothering me more than all the changes combined. No matter how much I hate change and disagree with the direction they're taking their subs, it's their decision and it's my decision whether I'm going to stick with it or not (which I didn't). But the censoring really chaps my hide. Like, it makes me shaky angry and I had to stop myself from starting a new thread asking why that other thread was locked. I didn't because I knew it wouldn't make a difference, plus it would just get deleted anyway. I'm not even commenting over there anymore - I don't know why I'm letting it bother me so. and, again, they are inconsistent. That thread about the stationary kit was locked yet there are "what did you buy" threads that are allowed to continue. Ridiculous. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 12:14:55 GMT
If I had seen this yesterday, I would have absolutely agreed with you. However today is a brand new day, but unfortunately, the same old BS is going on over there. Will they never learn? And then the school mistress like way they lock the thread?? We told you not to do this, but you still did it anyway. Naughty children. ETA: I am enjoying the influx of new members though. Their loss is 2peas refugees' gain. The thread locking and post deleting is actually bothering me more than all the changes combined. No matter how much I hate change and disagree with the direction they're taking their subs, it's their decision and it's my decision whether I'm going to stick with it or not (which I didn't). But the censoring really chaps my hide. Like, it makes me shaky angry and I had to stop myself from starting a new thread asking why that other thread was locked. I didn't because I knew it wouldn't make a difference, plus it would just get deleted anyway. I'm not even commenting over there anymore - I don't know why I'm letting it bother me so. and, again, they are inconsistent. That thread about the stationary kit was locked yet there are "what did you buy" threads that are allowed to continue. Ridiculous. Yeah, because the stationary thread wasn't full of butterflies and unicorns blowing flowers up SC's rear. However, the "what dd you buy" thread is all happy, happy, happy praise for the awesome sales and great products, kwim? |
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Post by STBC on Aug 5, 2015 13:11:39 GMT
I am agree with DinCA in the fact that they see how well the other brands (AE and ABM) are doing so are switching to that format. I think if they added a class along with the kits (like AE) then it would be easier to sub. I would have loved to sub if they would have had say Nicole Magourik teach a card sub class! For me, it is not the administrative changes that have made me not sub, it is more that I don't like all the kits. I have to say I loved Odyssey and I really liked Lisse Street but those are the only two I have really liked in awhile. I don't mind paying extra for things if I love them and will use them but I haven't loved them lately. I think things have really changed since they have taken over other brands. Also I think some of designing the kit has gone to others when it used to be mainly April - with the help of others. While I still mostly like the paper, the exclusive embellishments have been underwhelming lately. Yep, that makes sense!! My two cents on this: The problem with trying to mimic AE is that she has a super strong concept/philosophy, whereas SC has none. And the problem with trying to mimic ABM is the lack of a solid artist behind the kits (Elsie) and the kits somehow coordinating/having a cohesive style. I'm trying to find the words but this last change is so crazy WTF. When you think they are done BAM more BS SC has gotten this far by promoting the "gotta have it NOW" mentality. It certainly hasn't been because of their customer service or communication skills. Their website is horrible to navigate and they are ignoring all of the customer concerns about it.
I really don't understand who the people are that wanted the change to the card kit. Are they really that out of touch with papercrafters? Seems more like they want to appeal to a broader base - people who may not be into scrapbooking/cardmaking, but still enjoy nice paper goods, such as planners, journals, and greeting cards. Definitely a big change in their business model.
SC has no consistency; everything they try to start ends up being just a flash in the pan. SC gets people fired up about something and has no follow through, or changes the plan somewhere along the way.
"Hey - check out this cool house stamp! You have to buy it!!! We are going to make LOTS of accessory stamps for it!!!" Nothing comes of it.
"Letterpress - you HAVE to have it." Dies out.
Handbooks keep changing.
Even Mister Huey has been left behind. Poor Mister Huey.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 13:15:39 GMT
Yep, that makes sense!! My two cents on this: The problem with trying to mimic AE is that she has a super strong concept/philosophy, whereas SC has none. And the problem with trying to mimic ABM is the lack of a solid artist behind the kits (Elsie) and the kits somehow coordinating/having a cohesive style. I'm trying to find the words but this last change is so crazy WTF. When you think they are done BAM more BS SC has gotten this far by promoting the "gotta have it NOW" mentality. It certainly hasn't been because of their customer service or communication skills. Their website is horrible to navigate and they are ignoring all of the customer concerns about it.
I really don't understand who the people are that wanted the change to the card kit. Are they really that out of touch with papercrafters? Seems more like they want to appeal to a broader base - people who may not be into scrapbooking/cardmaking, but still enjoy nice paper goods, such as planners, journals, and greeting cards. Definitely a big change in their business model.
SC has no consistency; everything they try to start ends up being just a flash in the pan. SC gets people fired up about something and has no follow through, or changes the plan somewhere along the way.
"Hey - check out this cool house stamp! You have to buy it!!! We are going to make LOTS of accessory stamps for it!!!" Nothing comes of it.
"Letterpress - you HAVE to have it." Dies out.
Handbooks keep changing.
Even Mister Huey has been left behind. Poor Mister Huey.
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Post by ainoko on Aug 5, 2015 13:22:41 GMT
Seriously, I was just few days ago looking at the August card kit thinking wow that's thin, poor subbers, it's like they are trying to kill the kit off by making it totally not worth the price. Well, they killed it off quicker than I expected. I'm really sorry for anyone how subscribed and loved their card kits. It probably was their least successful kit and they decided to lose it. Maybe ABM Happy Mail has been so successful they decided to copy it.
The number of embellishments in the PL kit is already down by one, I'm really curious what they will come up with next..
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Post by lonr on Aug 5, 2015 13:34:38 GMT
Two questions- 1. do you think they are trying to get rid of their subbers so they can stop doing kits and focus on producing new products? I'm not a fan of most SC stuff- the colors and designs are not my style at all- but the wood veneers, washi, badges, and other embellishments are cute. Maybe they're wanting to head a different direction and just sell products to stores, rather than kits to subbers? 2. for those of you who are hanging on to the last few months of your PL sub b/c you want to finish out the year with SC product-- do the monthly kits really coordinate with each other, so that you'd notice if you used a different company for the last several layouts? As a pp mentioned, the items in the kits often seem so disjointed, they don't really look like they go well as a kit, much less a year of kits. If that is the case, why are they alienating consumers in the process? Like others have said, their way of running a business does not make sense! |
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Post by STBC on Aug 5, 2015 13:48:45 GMT
Two questions- 1. do you think they are trying to get rid of their subbers so they can stop doing kits and focus on producing new products? I'm not a fan of most SC stuff- the colors and designs are not my style at all- but the wood veneers, washi, badges, and other embellishments are cute. Maybe they're wanting to head a different direction and just sell products to stores, rather than kits to subbers? 2. for those of you who are hanging on to the last few months of your PL sub b/c you want to finish out the year with SC product-- do the monthly kits really coordinate with each other, so that you'd notice if you used a different company for the last several layouts? As a pp mentioned, the items in the kits often seem so disjointed, they don't really look like they go well as a kit, much less a year of kits. If that is the case, why are they alienating consumers in the process? Like others have said, their way of running a business does not make sense! Their way of doing business is to do what they want, when they want, and how they want. They believe customers will always follow their lead. |
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Post by abr79 on Aug 5, 2015 14:21:46 GMT
I've said this before but I think it bears being repeated. But I won't say it again after this...as much as I love to beat a dead horse as the next guy, I'm tired.
All those who thought the discourse on the boards were uncomfortable and wanted people.to just stop complaining, I think the awkwardness that now exists is much, much worse. People have no idea what they can or can't talk about. Simple and innocent threads that are not rude, out of control or even asking SC for explanations are being locked with a reminder - a la a mean teacher tone - of the new TOU. Posts are being deleted. Members are being treated like stupid, little children for discussing their thoughts, in a civil manner!
I no longer hope SC can turn this around. I honestly don't care. I wont wish ill upon them but I wont be sad or surprised if/when it happens. The writing is on the wall and its not so easy to ignore.
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Post by kaybree on Aug 5, 2015 14:39:36 GMT
It seems like every other day there is a post about "What do you want to see in the kits" or "what kind of classes are you interested in" by someone at SC HQ. This drives me absolutely nuts. For one thing, people were always talking about what they want on the boards (more paper, less cardstock in the SB main! More cardstock, less envelopes in the card main! Less pink! More Navy!) and it pretty much always was ignored. There have been pages and pages of great class ideas that never came to fruition.
Secondly, they are the creative company, why are they looking for ideas from their customers? It just smacks of laziness and ineptitude.
Now they are looking for class ideas for BPC. I mean, come on. If you are being paid to "teach" , then teach something you know about and are good at. I am not giving you ideas for free.
Ugh it just bugs me so much. \endrant.
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Post by stahija on Aug 5, 2015 15:14:55 GMT
I've been on the fence about signing up here since everything went down at SC. Mostly because I don't like to comment much. But after today's email about the SC card kit, I've had enough. I was only planning to stay at SC through the Christmas/holiday roll out of product, but now I don't much care. As it was, I already thought the cost of things were a bit high. In fact, I actually share a subscription with a friend (she get's PL and I get the card kit under one use name) so we could split shipping costs. I wasn't as invested in the 2Ps community, as I found them when I first started card making and then they shut down shortly after that. But it appears that SC is on their way out too. Why does buying paper crafts have to be so hard or confusing? I buy stuff online all the time (as I'm sure most people do) and it's not so hard. You find something you like, you add it to your cart, you see how much shipping costs, and then you decide if you're going to pay it or not. Why are there subscriptions and crazy cancellation policies. And don't even get me started on this month to month thing where once you get to see only a snippet of what you're agreeing to pay for you then have a few days to commit or cancel. THAT IS CRAZY! I'm curious as to how long the message board post will last before it gets locked and deleted since now you're not allowed to say anything without being scolded. Sorry, end rant. I had to get it out. I'm excited to join this community! Welcome. Don't be shy. I never posted at the old 2 peas, far too scary. This place is not like that at all. Thanks!! |
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Post by stahija on Aug 5, 2015 15:28:54 GMT
If I had seen this yesterday, I would have absolutely agreed with you. However today is a brand new day, but unfortunately, the same old BS is going on over there. Will they never learn? And then the school mistress like way they lock the thread?? We told you not to do this, but you still did it anyway. Naughty children. ETA: I am enjoying the influx of new members though. Their loss is 2peas refugees' gain. The thread locking and post deleting is actually bothering me more than all the changes combined. No matter how much I hate change and disagree with the direction they're taking their subs, it's their decision and it's my decision whether I'm going to stick with it or not (which I didn't). But the censoring really chaps my hide. Like, it makes me shaky angry and I had to stop myself from starting a new thread asking why that other thread was locked. I didn't because I knew it wouldn't make a difference, plus it would just get deleted anyway. I'm not even commenting over there anymore - I don't know why I'm letting it bother me so. and, again, they are inconsistent. That thread about the stationary kit was locked yet there are "what did you buy" threads that are allowed to continue. Ridiculous. The worst part is the thread locking, so ridiculous! Part of me wants someone to go on every new thread and ask a confrontational question. Or wait until the weekend in the evening and fill the message boards with with confrontational questions and links to other SB sites. It would be funny to see how long they'd last and what type of comments they'd get. |
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Post by abr79 on Aug 5, 2015 15:39:36 GMT
It seems like every other day there is a post about "What do you want to see in the kits" or "what kind of classes are you interested in" by someone at SC HQ. This drives me absolutely nuts. For one thing, people were always talking about what they want on the boards (more paper, less cardstock in the SB main! More cardstock, less envelopes in the card main! Less pink! More Navy!) and it pretty much always was ignored. There have been pages and pages of great class ideas that never came to fruition.
Secondly, they are the creative company, why are they looking for ideas from their customers? It just smacks of laziness and ineptitude.Now they are looking for class ideas for BPC. I mean, come on. If you are being paid to "teach" , then teach something you know about and are good at. I am not giving you ideas for free. Ugh it just bugs me so much. \endrant. Honest question for you - do you really think they're looking for ideas from the customers? Or is this just a placating ruse to make the customer think they have some pull or say in the decisions made? After the whole sneaks feedback debacle a few months ago - when they started a thread asking for feedback and ideas saying that there would be a poll at the next reveal and people spent a lot of time coming up with very well thought out ideas only for it to be completely ignored, with no poll (only a survey that was sent to a fraction of the subscribers) - I realized that they have no intention of taking customer's ideas unless they were already heading that direction anyway. All it does is quell the uproar for a bit and makes the customers think that they have some say when, in all honesty, they do not. It's a stalling and distracting technique and it's manipulative and I wholeheartedly believe SC is using that tactic with their "give us PL card ideas!" and "what would YOU like to see in a class?" threads. It's a "hey! look over here and feel important while we do this over there and you have no idea!" Perhaps a conspiracy theory but what I've been seeing lately doesn't bust it. |
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Post by freeatlast on Aug 5, 2015 15:51:46 GMT
I am a card maker so I think I have been on every card or stamping thread on SC over the past 3 years. I don't recall anyone ever asking for a pre-made card in any of those topics. So I question SC's stated reason for changing the card kit. I think they want some of ABM's customer base. Does anyone know the relationship between the 2 companies? Is SC just a customer service/fulfillment house for them? Or is there some ownership?
I did scratch my head when they started using other stamp companies to design the stamps in their card kits. Great for a new stamper to get exposure to other stamp companies. But you know where that can lead. "Oh, a stamp set designed by Mama Elephant. Never heard of them. Let me pop over to their website and see what else they offer. Look at that great sentiment set. And those bear stamps with matching dies. And ..........."
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Post by STBC on Aug 5, 2015 15:54:26 GMT
It seems like every other day there is a post about "What do you want to see in the kits" or "what kind of classes are you interested in" by someone at SC HQ. This drives me absolutely nuts. For one thing, people were always talking about what they want on the boards (more paper, less cardstock in the SB main! More cardstock, less envelopes in the card main! Less pink! More Navy!) and it pretty much always was ignored. There have been pages and pages of great class ideas that never came to fruition.
Secondly, they are the creative company, why are they looking for ideas from their customers? It just smacks of laziness and ineptitude.Now they are looking for class ideas for BPC. I mean, come on. If you are being paid to "teach" , then teach something you know about and are good at. I am not giving you ideas for free. Ugh it just bugs me so much. \endrant. Honest question for you - do you really think they're looking for ideas from the customers? Or is this just a placating ruse to make the customer think they have some pull or say in the decisions made? After the whole sneaks feedback debacle a few months ago - when they started a thread asking for feedback and ideas saying that there would be a poll at the next reveal and people spent a lot of time coming up with very well thought out ideas only for it to be completely ignored, with no poll (only a survey that was sent to a fraction of the subscribers) - I realized that they have no intention of taking customer's ideas unless they were already heading that direction anyway. All it does is quell the uproar for a bit and makes the customers think that they have some say when, in all honesty, they do not. It's a stalling and distracting technique and it's manipulative and I wholeheartedly believe SC is using that tactic with their "give us PL card ideas!" and "what would YOU like to see in a class?" threads. It's a "hey! look over here and feel important while we do this over there and you have no idea!" Perhaps a conspiracy theory but what I've been seeing lately doesn't bust it. I think you're right. They get people to toss out ideas, and if a person randomly hits on something they're already planning, you get a "Hey - they're listening to MY idea. How cool" reaction on the message boards.
I don't think anyone was tossing out the idea, "Why not dump the card kit altogether and make it a stationery kit? Us papercrafters have no time to do any ... um ... papercrafting." 
Maybe we need to just start adding some really off-the-wall suggestions and see what sticks. ;-)
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Post by abr79 on Aug 5, 2015 15:54:39 GMT
The worst part is the thread locking, so ridiculous! Part of me wants someone to go on every new thread and ask a confrontational question. Or wait until the weekend in the evening and fill the message boards with with confrontational questions and links to other SB sites. It would be funny to see how long they'd last and what type of comments they'd get. It's taking a lot of inner strength not to. But I value some of the relationships I've made with other members too much to do that to their threads. like impearia Last Call thread...I want to snarkily ask SC staff if her thread is technically transactional in nature since purchases are being discussed. But I won't because she rocks and doesn't deserve her thread locked or deleted any more than JHenry did hers...and I don't want to be a d-bag. LOL. |
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Post by kaybree on Aug 5, 2015 16:12:17 GMT
Nothing would surprise me anymore, abr79. Sadly. |
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Post by flashysoupcan on Aug 5, 2015 17:49:02 GMT
Well, hello! Can someone please tell me where all the card kit subbers who hate making cards are hanging out? I have some questions...  |
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Post by freeatlast on Aug 5, 2015 17:55:41 GMT
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Post by freeatlast on Aug 5, 2015 17:59:13 GMT
Latest response from SC on card support thread:
JennPicard says…
I just wanted to chime in here and let you all know that there still will be lots of inspiration from the Card Creative team. SC is still creating amazing stamps and papers for card makers. And I really think you all will be pleased with September's offering;) Also I will take this opportunity to ask what you would like to see from us? So please don't go anywhere card making is still here:)
WTF?
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Post by abr79 on Aug 5, 2015 18:16:44 GMT
Yep, that makes sense!! My two cents on this: The problem with trying to mimic AE is that she has a super strong concept/philosophy, whereas SC has none. And the problem with trying to mimic ABM is the lack of a solid artist behind the kits (Elsie) and the kits somehow coordinating/having a cohesive style. I'm trying to find the words but this last change is so crazy WTF. When you think they are done BAM more BS So true about the AE & ABM models. It works for them because their strengths make it worth the risk. Plus, the prices are still reasonable, considering. I don't shop ABM, nor do I really know Elsie and Emma's work/style (from what I have seen it's just a little too hipster for me, personally) but with Ali, she sticks with the base idea of her brand - telling stories. And her coordinating products are clean, simple and easily adaptable depending on your personal style - and she is always consistent with the quality and style. I also get the impression that she has extremely high standards for how her customers are treated (which may explain why CS and shipping with AE is so much better than with SC even though they are handled in the same place). So, that model completely works for her. SC just has too many ups and downs for such a strict subscription model. IMHO. |
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Post by abr79 on Aug 5, 2015 18:18:00 GMT
Well, hello! Can someone please tell me where all the card kit subbers who hate making cards are hanging out? I have some questions...  Good to see you flashysoupcan! |
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Post by abr79 on Aug 5, 2015 18:21:26 GMT
Latest response from SC on card support thread: JennPicard says… I just wanted to chime in here and let you all know that there still will be lots of inspiration from the Card Creative team. SC is still creating amazing stamps and papers for card makers. And I really think you all will be pleased with September's offering;) Also I will take this opportunity to ask what you would like to see from us? So please don't go anywhere card making is still here:) WTF?  p.s. can I just say that I LOVE the emoji's and smileys here (especially the dead horse one...hilarious). Sometimes the perfect emoji is all that's needed to sum up one's feelings.  |
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Post by STBC on Aug 5, 2015 18:49:12 GMT
Latest response from SC on card support thread: JennPicard says… I just wanted to chime in here and let you all know that there still will be lots of inspiration from the Card Creative team. SC is still creating amazing stamps and papers for card makers. And I really think you all will be pleased with September's offering;) Also I will take this opportunity to ask what you would like to see from us? So please don't go anywhere card making is still here:) WTF? Um ... I'd like to see a card kit for *making* cards. And a website that works. And classes with PDFs.
(Probably not the answer they want !!!)
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Post by anniefb on Aug 5, 2015 18:54:02 GMT
Latest response from SC on card support thread: JennPicard says… I just wanted to chime in here and let you all know that there still will be lots of inspiration from the Card Creative team. SC is still creating amazing stamps and papers for card makers. And I really think you all will be pleased with September's offering;) Also I will take this opportunity to ask what you would like to see from us? So please don't go anywhere card making is still here:) WTF? Um ... I'd like to see a card kit for *making* cards. And a website that works. And classes with PDFs.
(Probably not the answer they want !!!)
Unfortunately, no. And I agree all this asking for input is just a smokescreen. SC will do what SC (or rather April) wants, as it has always done, whether it makes business sense or not. |
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Post by laila2207 on Aug 5, 2015 20:22:25 GMT
The thread locking and post deleting is actually bothering me more than all the changes combined. No matter how much I hate change and disagree with the direction they're taking their subs, it's their decision and it's my decision whether I'm going to stick with it or not (which I didn't). But the censoring really chaps my hide. Like, it makes me shaky angry and I had to stop myself from starting a new thread asking why that other thread was locked. I didn't because I knew it wouldn't make a difference, plus it would just get deleted anyway. I'm not even commenting over there anymore - I don't know why I'm letting it bother me so. and, again, they are inconsistent. That thread about the stationary kit was locked yet there are "what did you buy" threads that are allowed to continue. Ridiculous. The worst part is the thread locking, so ridiculous! Part of me wants someone to go on every new thread and ask a confrontational question. Or wait until the weekend in the evening and fill the message boards with with confrontational questions and links to other SB sites. It would be funny to see how long they'd last and what type of comments they'd get. Haha, don´t tempt me! I´m trying to hold back but it´s difficult! |
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