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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 15:14:14 GMT
I am actually nauseous after watching this video. She wants a Lamborghini LOLOLOLOL  And, sure...let's use a "less crunchy" method to ensure that we get the whole baby out intact to be dissected, 'cause that thing is money in the bank, ya'll! Planned Parenthood is EVIL. It's a shame it's supporters will continue to make excuses and explain it away and pretend that abortion is just about "reproductive rights". And spare me your "Safe, rare and legal" bullshit. PP makes billions off killing innocent life, they have NO incentive to keep it "rare" and every incentive to keep women in the dark about the ramifications of their decision. We are officially a culture that embraces death and places no value on life...unless it's the life of a puppy or a kitty. |
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Post by Rainbow on Jul 21, 2015 15:31:03 GMT
Sickening. If they only wanted to cover costs then they wouldn't have to "see what others are getting, and maybe bump it up."
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jul 21, 2015 15:35:40 GMT
Bad edit job, bad interview. complete misrepresentation.
Abortions represent 3% of planned parenthood's services.
Time to move on.
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Post by Rainbow on Jul 21, 2015 16:00:57 GMT
Over three hundred thousand abortions per year. Sickening.
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Post by moveablefeast on Jul 21, 2015 16:34:03 GMT
I watched the video this morning and thought that was the point where it all went off the rails. She was saying very measured things about covering costs, setting a compensation standard across affiliates, maintaining the correct standards of care, and then bam makes that stupid joke about wanting a Lamborghini. And "less crunchy" made me cringe.
But like the other video, if an independent investigation - one done above board and not via a lapel cam video recorded by an organization with an agenda and a cover story - indicates that PP is violating professional ethical or legal standards, then I'll be glad to join the outrage.
Until then, just like the other video, my opinion of PP hasn't changed - it's an organization with a difficult history, a complicated set of moral and ethical concerns, and some work that is important for the communities it serves. I am neither quick to condemn nor support PP but I think this kind of undercover operation results in some spurious conclusions. Show me the real evidence, show me the documents, show me the real facts about when and how much money is exchanged, and show me where professional ethical and legal standards are being violated. This type of evidence is just really subject to interpretation and editing and if I am going to be outraged I personally would like more solid evidence upon which to base my outrage.
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Post by blondiec47 on Jul 21, 2015 16:37:26 GMT
If abortion was limited to health of the mother, rape, incest and true BC failure (not user error) we would not be having these discussions. MOST abortions are just another form of BC to these women and that is a problem.
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Post by brina on Jul 21, 2015 16:54:52 GMT
If abortion was limited to health of the mother, rape, incest and true BC failure (not user error) we would not be having these discussions. MOST abortions are just another form of BC to these women and that is a problem. and you know this how? Studies? interviews? And how does one discern between true BC failure and user error? How can it be proven? The condom broke/slipped/leaked? |
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Post by foolana on Jul 21, 2015 17:04:03 GMT
If abortion was limited to health of the mother, rape, incest and true BC failure (not user error) we would not be having these discussions. MOST abortions are just another form of BC to these women and that is a problem. No it's not. I posted recently about my daughter's experience with Planned Parenthood and abortion and you couldn't be more wrong. That's a disgusting thing to say and I'll assume you have no experience to back that up. Abortion is a difficult and heartbreaking choice to make and one that is not made lightly.
And by the way, I'd like a Lamborghini, too. Does that make me an evil person?
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Post by Sarah*H on Jul 21, 2015 17:05:43 GMT
Could you find any more condescending and cliched phrase than this?
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Post by Merge on Jul 21, 2015 17:07:57 GMT
I watched the video this morning and thought that was the point where it all went off the rails. She was saying very measured things about covering costs, setting a compensation standard across affiliates, maintaining the correct standards of care, and then bam makes that stupid joke about wanting a Lamborghini. And "less crunchy" made me cringe. But like the other video, if an independent investigation - one done above board and not via a lapel cam video recorded by an organization with an agenda and a cover story - indicates that PP is violating professional ethical or legal standards, then I'll be glad to join the outrage. Until then, just like the other video, my opinion of PP hasn't changed - it's an organization with a difficult history, a complicated set of moral and ethical concerns, and some work that is important for the communities it serves. I am neither quick to condemn nor support PP but I think this kind of undercover operation results in some spurious conclusions. Show me the real evidence, show me the documents, show me the real facts about when and how much money is exchanged, and show me where professional ethical and legal standards are being violated. This type of evidence is just really subject to interpretation and editing and if I am going to be outraged I personally would like more solid evidence upon which to base my outrage. Voice of reason as usual - sure to be ignored by those more interested in frothing and knee jerk reactions. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 17:12:19 GMT
We are officially a culture that embraces death and places no value on life...unless it's the life of a puppy or a kitty. Does your little rant include all the innocent deaths caused by guns? |
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Post by likescarrots on Jul 21, 2015 17:14:55 GMT
If abortion was limited to health of the mother, rape, incest and true BC failure (not user error) we would not be having these discussions. MOST abortions are just another form of BC to these women and that is a problem. Why is it a problem that abortion is another form of birth control? That is what it is, yes? |
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Post by blondiec47 on Jul 21, 2015 17:15:28 GMT
If abortion was limited to health of the mother, rape, incest and true BC failure (not user error) we would not be having these discussions. MOST abortions are just another form of BC to these women and that is a problem. No it's not. I posted recently about my daughter's experience with Planned Parenthood and abortion and you couldn't be more wrong. That's a disgusting thing to say and I'll assume you have no experience to back that up. Abortion is a difficult and heartbreaking choice to make and one that is not made lightly.
And by the way, I'd like a Lamborghini, too. Does that make me an evil person?
And you would be wrong--I have experience with PP and they are a disgusting organization Before I even took a pregnancy test they wanted to book my abortion. True BC failure is very rare. And if you don't want to get pregnant then double up, but to think heck I can just get an abortion is gross. I am against ALL abortions but could learn to live with the list above. The true need is less than .01% of the total number of abortions performed in this country(and no I am not going to go back and find the stats for that) and if you think all these abortions (or even most) are necessary, you live in a very odd world. |
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Post by blondiec47 on Jul 21, 2015 17:16:43 GMT
If abortion was limited to health of the mother, rape, incest and true BC failure (not user error) we would not be having these discussions. MOST abortions are just another form of BC to these women and that is a problem. Why is it a problem that abortion is another form of birth control? That is what it is, yes? Really?  Wow I am so glad I do not know you in real life--it is MURDER!. I guess by your logic, if I do not want you around I could just kill you. |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jul 21, 2015 17:19:52 GMT
Why is it a problem that abortion is another form of birth control? That is what it is, yes? Really? Wow I am so glad I do not know you in real life--it is MURDER!. I guess by your logic, if I do not want you around I could just kill you. ^^^I believe the issue of using the term murder (or not) depends on whether that person thinks life begins at conception or not, and that's not a universally held belief, is it? Or did I miss something? ETA: --and that whole legal issue of what's a crime and what's not. there's that, too. |
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Post by likescarrots on Jul 21, 2015 17:28:05 GMT
Why is it a problem that abortion is another form of birth control? That is what it is, yes? Really? Wow I am so glad I do not know you in real life--it is MURDER!. I guess by your logic, if I do not want you around I could just kill you. Lol, sure go ahead. |
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Post by foolana on Jul 21, 2015 17:41:42 GMT
No it's not. I posted recently about my daughter's experience with Planned Parenthood and abortion and you couldn't be more wrong. That's a disgusting thing to say and I'll assume you have no experience to back that up. Abortion is a difficult and heartbreaking choice to make and one that is not made lightly.
And by the way, I'd like a Lamborghini, too. Does that make me an evil person?
And you would be wrong--I have experience with PP and they are a disgusting organization Before I even took a pregnancy test they wanted to book my abortion. True BC failure is very rare. And if you don't want to get pregnant then double up, but to think heck I can just get an abortion is gross. I am against ALL abortions but could learn to live with the list above. The true need is less than .01% of the total number of abortions performed in this country(and no I am not going to go back and find the stats for that) and if you think all these abortions (or even most) are necessary, you live in a very odd world. I don't have the slightest idea where you get your information and statistics from but despite your hatred Planned Parenthood actually spends most of it's time doing yearly exams and pre natal care for poor women. My daughter had to wait a week between her first visit where she requested an abortion and when it was actually scheduled. They asked her repeatedly if she wanted to change her mind.
Abortion is a legal procedure in this country so while you're certainly allowed to have your opinions about it, you do not have the right to tell any other woman what she should do with her own body. You've obviously convinced yourself that your OPINION is FACT, when it is not.
People like you and lynlam need to understand that we are all allowed to have our opinions.
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Post by foolana on Jul 21, 2015 17:43:07 GMT
Why is it a problem that abortion is another form of birth control? That is what it is, yes? Really? Wow I am so glad I do not know you in real life--it is MURDER!. I guess by your logic, if I do not want you around I could just kill you. Using that logic, I'll assume that you are also against the use of the death penalty. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 17:55:54 GMT
If abortion was limited to health of the mother, rape, incest and true BC failure (not user error) we would not be having these discussions. MOST abortions are just another form of BC to these women and that is a problem. You could not be more wrong. I work in the health field, in a place that funds abortions. I see first hand why these women are having abortions. You need to stop talking about things you know NOTHING about. |
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Post by papersilly on Jul 21, 2015 18:01:26 GMT
as much as some people don't like a certain aspect and service that Planned Parenthood provides, it still provides other much needed services to women. people tend to focus on just the abortion when PP does more than that. if someone feels the need to go in for that, then it's their choice.
to those who are so vehemently opposed to abortion, i recognize it's absolutely your right to hold your beliefs. but tell me, how many unwed mothers have you hosted in your home for the duration of the pregnancy just to avoid an abortion? have many have you financially supported afterwards? how many of these babies did you adopt or raise as your own just so they weren't aborted? how many did you find adoptive homes for? instead of just spouting MURDER from the comfort of your home and computer, what have you personally done to provide these women with an option? I'm just wondering. although perhaps not a popular one, PP is providing an option to these women. me, I wish they would choose adopting out but that's not my call.
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Post by chaosisapony on Jul 21, 2015 18:01:34 GMT
Some of the most thorough healthcare I have ever received was as a patient at Planned Parenthood. As an uninsured person I used their services for annual exams and any other problems that might crop up. Never once did I need them for anything related to pregnancy. Their services are far more than just abortions and prenatal care. Because of that I will always be a supporter of Planned Parenthood and be happy to make my yearly donations.
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Post by anonrefugee on Jul 21, 2015 18:14:16 GMT
No it's not. I posted recently about my daughter's experience with Planned Parenthood and abortion and you couldn't be more wrong. That's a disgusting thing to say and I'll assume you have no experience to back that up. Abortion is a difficult and heartbreaking choice to make and one that is not made lightly.
And by the way, I'd like a Lamborghini, too. Does that make me an evil person?
And you would be wrong--I have experience with PP and they are a disgusting organization Before I even took a pregnancy test they wanted to book my abortion. True BC failure is very rare. And if you don't want to get pregnant then double up, but to think heck I can just get an abortion is gross. I am against ALL abortions but could learn to live with the list above. The true need is less than .01% of the total number of abortions performed in this country(and no I am not going to go back and find the stats for that) and if you think all these abortions (or even most) are necessary, you live in a very odd world. So you turned to them in a time of need, maybe in desperation? But you want to take that opportunity for care and education away from someone else? |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jul 21, 2015 18:19:02 GMT
Some of the most thorough healthcare I have ever received was as a patient at Planned Parenthood. As an uninsured person I used their services for annual exams and any other problems that might crop up. Never once did I need them for anything related to pregnancy. Their services are far more than just abortions and prenatal care. Because of that I will always be a supporter of Planned Parenthood and be happy to make my yearly donations. ^^^this was my experience, as well. They were the only source of affordable gynecological care I had available to me. |
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Post by lucyg on Jul 21, 2015 18:23:38 GMT
No one is getting rich providing abortions in this country. On the other hand, some people are getting murdered for it (always by people who claim that every life is precious, too ... amazing reasoning, isn't it?). Why is it a problem that abortion is another form of birth control? That is what it is, yes? Really? Wow I am so glad I do not know you in real life--it is MURDER!. I guess by your logic, if I do not want you around I could just kill you. Murder is a legal definition, and by our legal system, abortion is not murder. So you can say it all you like, but you would still be wrong. And really, if you honestly believe abortion is murder, why would you accept it even in the limited circumstances you listed above? I believe that other women's reasons for seeking an abortion are none of anyone else's business, and fortunately, the laws of our land (so far) agree with me. |
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Post by Skypea on Jul 21, 2015 18:27:55 GMT
Really? Wow I am so glad I do not know you in real life--it is MURDER!. I guess by your logic, if I do not want you around I could just kill you. Using that logic, I'll assume that you are also against the use of the death penalty. gotta love the ignorance when someone pulls in the death penalty to support abortion...
the guilty vs the innocent
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jul 21, 2015 18:29:09 GMT
No it's not. I posted recently about my daughter's experience with Planned Parenthood and abortion and you couldn't be more wrong. That's a disgusting thing to say and I'll assume you have no experience to back that up. Abortion is a difficult and heartbreaking choice to make and one that is not made lightly.
And by the way, I'd like a Lamborghini, too. Does that make me an evil person?
And you would be wrong--I have experience with PP and they are a disgusting organization Before I even took a pregnancy test they wanted to book my abortion. True BC failure is very rare. And if you don't want to get pregnant then double up, but to think heck I can just get an abortion is gross. I am against ALL abortions but could learn to live with the list above. The true need is less than .01% of the total number of abortions performed in this country(and no I am not going to go back and find the stats for that) and if you think all these abortions (or even most) are necessary, you live in a very odd world. But you knew going into it that PP provided abortions, yes? Even for those women who did not experience 'true BC failure'? And yet you still chose to go there. Why? |
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Post by grinningcat on Jul 21, 2015 18:31:06 GMT
Why is it a problem that abortion is another form of birth control? That is what it is, yes? Really? Wow I am so glad I do not know you in real life--it is MURDER!. I guess by your logic, if I do not want you around I could just kill you. You think it is murder. That does not make it a fact. Abortion is one of three viable options for a woman who discovers that she's pregnant. You do not have the right to call her a murderer if she chooses to have an abortion. And to compare it to murdering another pea, you're the one with really screwed up logic. Planned Parenthood does a hell of a lot more good than people running around calling abortion murder. |
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Post by grinningcat on Jul 21, 2015 18:35:22 GMT
as much as some people don't like a certain aspect and service that Planned Parenthood provides, it still provides other much needed services to women. people tend to focus on just the abortion when PP does more than that. if someone feels the need to go in for that, then it's their choice. to those who are so vehemently opposed to abortion, i recognize it's absolutely your right to hold your beliefs. but tell me, how many unwed mothers have you hosted in your home for the duration of the pregnancy just to avoid an abortion? have many have you financially supported afterwards? how many of these babies did you adopt or raise as your own just so they weren't aborted? how many did you find adoptive homes for? instead of just spouting MURDER from the comfort of your home and computer, what have you personally done to provide these women with an option? I'm just wondering. although perhaps not a popular one, PP is providing an option to these women. me, I wish they would choose adopting out but that's not my call. Exactly. People rant and rave about "saving babies" but don't actually give a damn about the babies or the women after the child is born. Put some action where your mouth is if you're going to scream MURDER... otherwise STFU and realise that people can make their own choices for their bodies and lives. I don't tell these people screaming murder to have an abortion... what gives them the right to tell me what to do with my body and life? Pisses me off. |
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Post by lucyg on Jul 21, 2015 18:35:23 GMT
Using that logic, I'll assume that you are also against the use of the death penalty. gotta love the ignorance when someone pulls in the death penalty to support abortion...
the guilty vs the innocent
Again, that's just an opinion, no "ignorance" involved even though someone (gasp!) disagrees with you. The next person may think that any loss of life is murder, including execution by the state, self-defense, etc. Is your opinion more meaningful or important than hers? |
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Post by grinningcat on Jul 21, 2015 18:37:44 GMT
gotta love the ignorance when someone pulls in the death penalty to support abortion...
the guilty vs the innocent
Again, that's just an opinion, no "ignorance" involved even though someone (gasp!) disagrees with you. The next person may think that any loss of life is murder, including execution by the state, self-defense, etc. Is your opinion more meaningful or important than hers? It's skypea. Of course she thinks that her opinion is more important and meaningful than anyone else's. Hell, I think she thinks her opinion is more important than her "god's" opinion. That is, if she actually has one (doesn't sound like any god I've heard of but then again, she thinks we're too stupid to actually know who or what god is so no wonder it's not recognizable). |
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