|
Post by Kelpea on Jul 26, 2015 19:34:39 GMT
krazyscrapper, we lost our shot of change when NADA was done in the wake of Sandy Hook.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Sept 28, 2024 13:35:06 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 19:40:41 GMT
krazyscrapper, we lost our shot of change when NADA was done in the wake of Sandy Hook. I really did think something would have been done after that. I really did. I really thought now the NRA would step up to the plate and do the right thing. Should have known better.
|
|
|
Post by Kelpea on Jul 26, 2015 19:43:02 GMT
Not me. Money, corruption, power and plain selfishness apparently trumps babies' lives.
|
|
|
Post by momstime on Jul 26, 2015 19:45:44 GMT
Not me. Money, corruption, power and plain selfishness apparently trumps babies' lives. And nothing was done to help those with mental illness, which is arguably the bigger picture. Let's get outraged about that.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Sept 28, 2024 13:35:06 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 19:52:56 GMT
This is what I have always believed it meant. The right of the militia to keep and bear arms. Of course that's a moot point now. Sadly. So here we are. It has become a huge mess and people are dying every single day from gun related injuries in droves. We can stop this, we must stop this. I personally believe your right to own a gun doesn't top my right to live. You might believe owning a gun for protection secures your right to live. But studies prove otherwise. The facts are this-every single country that practices severe gun control has drastically reduced their gun deaths. You simply have to look at Australia to see this. You can stomp you feet like a toddler and say, "but it's mine, it's mine and I'm not giving it up!" Well, I feel the same way about my life, and the lives of those who died in the recent theatre shooting, and the lives of those who will die in the next mass gun killing, and the lives of those precious children who died in Sandy Hook. Enough is enough! How many more have to die before your selfishness is willing to give a little-yes I said it. That's how I see it. Debbie in MD. You simply can not legislate away evil and stupidity.
You can stomp your feet like a little toddler all you want and say, "but I don't want to have a gun, so no one needs one!" all you want, but you still can't legislate evil and stupidity away. Why only guns? Why aren't you stomping your feet over swimming pool deaths, accidental poisoning deaths, drunk driving deaths? Why aren't you mad that people people won't give up their swimming pools, medication, household chemicals, alcohol and cars?
|
|
|
Post by gar on Jul 26, 2015 20:21:14 GMT
This is what I have always believed it meant. The right of the militia to keep and bear arms. Of course that's a moot point now. Sadly. So here we are. It has become a huge mess and people are dying every single day from gun related injuries in droves. We can stop this, we must stop this. I personally believe your right to own a gun doesn't top my right to live. You might believe owning a gun for protection secures your right to live. But studies prove otherwise. The facts are this-every single country that practices severe gun control has drastically reduced their gun deaths. You simply have to look at Australia to see this. You can stomp you feet like a toddler and say, "but it's mine, it's mine and I'm not giving it up!" Well, I feel the same way about my life, and the lives of those who died in the recent theatre shooting, and the lives of those who will die in the next mass gun killing, and the lives of those precious children who died in Sandy Hook. Enough is enough! How many more have to die before your selfishness is willing to give a little-yes I said it. That's how I see it. Debbie in MD. You simply can not legislate away evil and stupidity.
You can stomp your feet like a little toddler all you want and say, "but I don't want to have a gun, so no one needs one!" all you want, but you still can't legislate evil and stupidity away. Why only guns? Why aren't you stomping your feet over swimming pool deaths, accidental poisoning deaths, drunk driving deaths? Why aren't you mad that people people won't give up their swimming pools, medication, household chemicals, alcohol and cars? Maybe next time someone murders 26 children in about 10 minutes with a swimming pool, or walks into a cinema and kills strangers with some bleach, she will argue for that.
|
|
|
Post by Merge on Jul 26, 2015 20:41:53 GMT
This is what I have always believed it meant. The right of the militia to keep and bear arms. Of course that's a moot point now. Sadly. So here we are. It has become a huge mess and people are dying every single day from gun related injuries in droves. We can stop this, we must stop this. I personally believe your right to own a gun doesn't top my right to live. You might believe owning a gun for protection secures your right to live. But studies prove otherwise. The facts are this-every single country that practices severe gun control has drastically reduced their gun deaths. You simply have to look at Australia to see this. You can stomp you feet like a toddler and say, "but it's mine, it's mine and I'm not giving it up!" Well, I feel the same way about my life, and the lives of those who died in the recent theatre shooting, and the lives of those who will die in the next mass gun killing, and the lives of those precious children who died in Sandy Hook. Enough is enough! How many more have to die before your selfishness is willing to give a little-yes I said it. That's how I see it. Debbie in MD. You simply can not legislate away evil and stupidity.
You can stomp your feet like a little toddler all you want and say, "but I don't want to have a gun, so no one needs one!" all you want, but you still can't legislate evil and stupidity away. Why only guns? Why aren't you stomping your feet over swimming pool deaths, accidental poisoning deaths, drunk driving deaths? Why aren't you mad that people people won't give up their swimming pools, medication, household chemicals, alcohol and cars? That's it! I am done trying to appeal to reason. So first of all, fuck you. I am a huge advocate against drunk driving. Both of my parents were killed by a drunk - Dad died 8 years ago today, actually. So collective you can step right off on that and go fuck yourself. Second, when someone wants to kill a bunch of people quickly and easily, with a weapon that is readily available, concealable and simple to use, they don't go out and buy a swimming pool or some alcohol or medication. When someone snaps and decides to end the life of their spouse or neighbor, they don't go for the household chemicals. They buy a gun, or pull out the gun they already keep for "protection" or target shooting or hunting. It is the worst kind of foolishness to to pretend that because other ways to kill people exist, we might as well leave guns available as an easy first choice. Just sick and selfish thinking. The NRA. I am sick and goddamned tired of our country being held hostage by well-funded bullies with an endless supply of guns. We need some real campaign finance reform to put an end to special interests running the show in Washington. I guarantee you, your precious founders never envisioned anything like the corrupt circus that is American politics, controlled by special interests like the NRA. At the end of the day, other civilized countries don't have an average of one mass shooting per day. And you are absolutely engaging in the worst kind of willful stupidity if you think the difference is anything other than the ready availability of guns. If that hurts your feelings, too bad. Better hurt feelings than more dead children. I'm done engaging in this issue on this board; I'm taking my energy to the state and national level to take our country back from the armed thugs of the NRA. You don't own this country and we can change things.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Sept 28, 2024 13:35:06 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 20:45:11 GMT
You simply can not legislate away evil and stupidity.
You can stomp your feet like a little toddler all you want and say, "but I don't want to have a gun, so no one needs one!" all you want, but you still can't legislate evil and stupidity away. Why only guns? Why aren't you stomping your feet over swimming pool deaths, accidental poisoning deaths, drunk driving deaths? Why aren't you mad that people people won't give up their swimming pools, medication, household chemicals, alcohol and cars? Maybe next time someone murders 26 children in about 10 minutes with a swimming pool, or walks into a cinema and kills strangers with some bleach, she will argue for that. Nearly 30 people a day die from drunk driving incidents. That's about 1 death every 48 minutes, is that enough?
|
|
Rainbow
Pearl Clutcher
Where salt is in the air and sand is at my feet...
Posts: 4,103
Jun 26, 2014 5:57:41 GMT
|
Post by Rainbow on Jul 26, 2015 20:46:42 GMT
Not me. Money, corruption, power and plain selfishness apparently trumps babies' lives. You just summed up abortion.
|
|
|
Post by anxiousmom on Jul 26, 2015 20:47:08 GMT
It's not a straw argument. If you get rid of the 2nd amendment, there is no getting it back if we're ever faced with tyranny. The 2nd defends the rest. I've heard this argument before and personally think it's ridiculous. Sure, it made since back when the constitution was written and our country was still new. But now? Do you really think you can defend yourselves with your guns against the U. S. Armed Forces with their tanks, missiles, drones, and all of their other sophisticated equipment? Obviously you think it might happen in your minds so I'm asking this question. Debbie in MD. My feelings on guns is complicated. I grew up with responsible gun people, so I see how it *can* be. I also am a human being with feelings and see what happens when guns find their way into the hands of people who are not responsible-not just tragic mass shootings, but people who aren't responsible day to day which leads to accidental deaths. But to play devil's advocate here, history shows that a well armed, small militia *can* cause real problems for big armies-in spite of their technological advantage. If you look no where else, consider Afghanistan- after 10 years of small guerrilla tactics with significantly less access to arms (short of what the CIA provided) the much larger and much greater armed Russian army finally left. The argument for a well trained militia is actually a valid one-assuming you live in a world where you believe that you will ever have to fight off the US military.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Sept 28, 2024 13:35:06 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 20:49:25 GMT
This is what I have always believed it meant. The right of the militia to keep and bear arms. Of course that's a moot point now. Sadly. So here we are. It has become a huge mess and people are dying every single day from gun related injuries in droves. We can stop this, we must stop this. I personally believe your right to own a gun doesn't top my right to live. You might believe owning a gun for protection secures your right to live. But studies prove otherwise. The facts are this-every single country that practices severe gun control has drastically reduced their gun deaths. You simply have to look at Australia to see this. You can stomp you feet like a toddler and say, "but it's mine, it's mine and I'm not giving it up!" Well, I feel the same way about my life, and the lives of those who died in the recent theatre shooting, and the lives of those who will die in the next mass gun killing, and the lives of those precious children who died in Sandy Hook. Enough is enough! How many more have to die before your selfishness is willing to give a little-yes I said it. That's how I see it. Debbie in MD. You simply can not legislate away evil and stupidity.
You can stomp your feet like a little toddler all you want and say, "but I don't want to have a gun, so no one needs one!" all you want, but you still can't legislate evil and stupidity away. Why only guns? Why aren't you stomping your feet over swimming pool deaths, accidental poisoning deaths, drunk driving deaths? Why aren't you mad that people people won't give up their swimming pools, medication, household chemicals, alcohol and cars? Well I have always thought that they should give a stupidity test to potential gun owners. Oh boy! While we are getting rid of things that can kill/hurt people I have my list. How about we get rid of all stairs. People get hurt falling down stairs all the time. Or how about we get rid of all dogs. You always hear about a dog biting somebody. Or how about we get rid of all plastic toys for kids. You know choking hazards. Bikes have to go. Man you get run over by one and you know it. And bikers and walkers are starting to argue as to has the right of way to a particular path. So yea bikes need to go. No more playing football. All those concussions. I guess we had better add MMA to the list. My list is as ridiculous as the list above by Gia. The topic at hand is guns none of the other items listed by Gia or by me are relevant to the discussion about guns. They are just a deflection. But I should point out that items on your little list are regulated a hell of a lot more than guns. And another point. The vast majority of folks who injured/die by pool, by chemical, by booze, & by car are accidents. The vast majority of people shot by guns are not. One last thing. I am an animal lover and would never support getting rid of dogs.
|
|
jayfab
Drama Llama
procastinating
Posts: 5,589
Jun 26, 2014 21:55:15 GMT
|
Post by jayfab on Jul 26, 2015 20:51:20 GMT
Merge I'm sorry for your loss. And thank you for your posts. I'm at a loss at what can be done and it is so frustrating.
|
|
|
Post by Kelpea on Jul 26, 2015 21:14:24 GMT
Oh, believe me. It's understood that it's part of the problem. You can thank the Reagan administration for closing down so many of the mental health facilities back in the day.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Sept 28, 2024 13:35:06 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 22:00:58 GMT
You simply can not legislate away evil and stupidity.
You can stomp your feet like a little toddler all you want and say, "but I don't want to have a gun, so no one needs one!" all you want, but you still can't legislate evil and stupidity away. Why only guns? Why aren't you stomping your feet over swimming pool deaths, accidental poisoning deaths, drunk driving deaths? Why aren't you mad that people people won't give up their swimming pools, medication, household chemicals, alcohol and cars? That's it! I am done trying to appeal to reason. So first of all, fuck you. I am a huge advocate against drunk driving. Both of my parents were killed by a drunk - Dad died 8 years ago today, actually. So collective you can step right off on that and go fuck yourself. Second, when someone wants to kill a bunch of people quickly and easily, with a weapon that is readily available, concealable and simple to use, they don't go out and buy a swimming pool or some alcohol or medication. When someone snaps and decides to end the life of their spouse or neighbor, they don't go for the household chemicals. They buy a gun, or pull out the gun they already keep for "protection" or target shooting or hunting. It is the worst kind of foolishness to to pretend that because other ways to kill people exist, we might as well leave guns available as an easy first choice. Just sick and selfish thinking. The NRA. I am sick and goddamned tired of our country being held hostage by well-funded bullies with an endless supply of guns. We need some real campaign finance reform to put an end to special interests running the show in Washington. I guarantee you, your precious founders never envisioned anything like the corrupt circus that is American politics, controlled by special interests like the NRA. At the end of the day, other civilized countries don't have an average of one mass shooting per day. And you are absolutely engaging in the worst kind of willful stupidity if you think the difference is anything other than the ready availability of guns. If that hurts your feelings, too bad. Better hurt feelings than more dead children. I'm done engaging in this issue on this board; I'm taking my energy to the state and national level to take our country back from the armed thugs of the NRA. You don't own this country and we can change things. I'm sorry for your loss. I lost my brother to a drunk driver, so I know the pain of it. I can see that today is even more painful to you and I'm sorry you are dealing with this, not only today, but at all. We're both trying to appeal to reason and your pain got the better of you today. For that I'm sorry. We're both trying to come from an angle of reason, but nothing I said warranted a "fuck you" from you. I was responding to someone elses point that too many lives are lost from guns, so we must get rid of or severely limit them (which isn't much difference). Too many lives are lost from drunk drivers, but nobody is calling for a ban on alcohol or cars. It's very easy to say get rid of the guns to solve this problem if you don't ever want a gun yourself. It won't affect you. What would be said if people in power tried to go after alcohol and cars to stop the huge number of DUI deaths? And questioning that doesn't warrant that response I got from you, but again, I'm sorry for your pain of loss.
|
|
Rainbow
Pearl Clutcher
Where salt is in the air and sand is at my feet...
Posts: 4,103
Jun 26, 2014 5:57:41 GMT
|
Post by Rainbow on Jul 27, 2015 0:22:55 GMT
Oh, believe me. It's understood that it's part of the problem. You can thank the Reagan administration for closing down so many of the mental health facilities back in the day. President Ronald Reagan signed the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981. This act repealed the Mental Health Systems Act and consolidated ADAMHA's treatment and rehabilitation service programs into a single block grant that enabled each State to administer its allocated funds. With the repeal of the community mental health legislation and the establishment of block grants, the Federal role in services to the mentally ill became one of providing technical assistance to increase the capacity of State and local providers of mental health services. link from a .gov website
|
|
|
Post by birukitty on Jul 27, 2015 0:24:50 GMT
I'm so sorry MergeLeft for your loss. I don't blame you for leaving this discussion. It's like banging your head against a brick wall. They'll never get it. If a class full of dead kindergarteners didn't change things you wonder what the hell will it take? How many more innocent lives will be lost by guns before things change? How many more dead children?
But we can't give up. I won't give up. As I said your right to own a gun doesn't trump my right to live. My right to go see a movie without being shot to death. My right to shop in a mall without being caught in a mass killing at the food court and being shot to death. This is totally insane that we in this country have to live like this.
Australian Peas and UK Peas, consider yourselves lucky. I would move to your countries if it was possible, it isn't. My parents are getting older and I don't want to leave them. I hope to change things here. Each voice counts. Little by little things can change. It certainly can't keep going the way it is.
Debbie in MD.
|
|
jayfab
Drama Llama
procastinating
Posts: 5,589
Jun 26, 2014 21:55:15 GMT
|
Post by jayfab on Jul 27, 2015 2:16:27 GMT
I'm so sorry MergeLeft for your loss. I don't blame you for leaving this discussion. It's like banging your head against a brick wall. They'll never get it. If a class full of dead kindergarteners didn't change things you wonder what the hell will it take? How many more innocent lives will be lost by guns before things change? How many more dead children? But we can't give up. I won't give up. As I said your right to own a gun doesn't trump my right to live. My right to go see a movie without being shot to death. My right to shop in a mall without being caught in a mass killing at the food court and being shot to death. This is totally insane that we in this country have to live like this. Australian Peas and UK Peas, consider yourselves lucky. I would move to your countries if it was possible, it isn't. My parents are getting older and I don't want to leave them. I hope to change things here. Each voice counts. Little by little things can change. It certainly can't keep going the way it is. Debbie in MD. Agreed we can't give up. One of these days there will be a shooting that happens somewhere that will wake people up.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Sept 28, 2024 13:35:06 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 2:28:47 GMT
I'm so sorry MergeLeft for your loss. I don't blame you for leaving this discussion. It's like banging your head against a brick wall. They'll never get it. If a class full of dead kindergarteners didn't change things you wonder what the hell will it take? How many more innocent lives will be lost by guns before things change? How many more dead children? But we can't give up. I won't give up. As I said your right to own a gun doesn't trump my right to live. My right to go see a movie without being shot to death. My right to shop in a mall without being caught in a mass killing at the food court and being shot to death. This is totally insane that we in this country have to live like this. Australian Peas and UK Peas, consider yourselves lucky. I would move to your countries if it was possible, it isn't. My parents are getting older and I don't want to leave them. I hope to change things here. Each voice counts. Little by little things can change. It certainly can't keep going the way it is. Debbie in MD. I was finished with this thread last night, because like all other hot topics here, nothing anyone posts is going to change anyone's mind.
With that said, I'd like to point out to you that just because someone disagrees, does NOT mean "they'll never get it". Do you really expect that in this world, everyone will always agree with your opinion, your POV...and then when they don't, blame them for "not getting it". People are allowed to disagree, see things differently, and not agree with your opinion just because you think you're the only one that's right.
IMO, that's a pretty narrow-minded, and dare I say immature and unrealistic way to live life.
But we agree in the sense that things cannot continue like this. We just disagree at the steps needed for change.
And with that...over and out. I will say again that no one is going to be changing their mind and once any kind of respectful or rational dialogue exits, it's futile to continue the discussion.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Sept 28, 2024 13:35:06 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 3:12:42 GMT
Merge I'm so sorry to hear what happened to your parents.
|
|
katybee
Drama Llama
Posts: 5,447
Jun 25, 2014 23:25:39 GMT
|
Post by katybee on Jul 27, 2015 3:31:30 GMT
Not me. Money, corruption, power and plain selfishness apparently trumps babies' lives. You just summed up abortion.That's hilarious. Because women and girls, that get abortions are usually the ones with all the money and power…
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Sept 28, 2024 13:35:06 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 3:39:12 GMT
I'm so sorry MergeLeft for your loss. I don't blame you for leaving this discussion. It's like banging your head against a brick wall. They'll never get it. If a class full of dead kindergarteners didn't change things you wonder what the hell will it take? How many more innocent lives will be lost by guns before things change? How many more dead children? But we can't give up. I won't give up. As I said your right to own a gun doesn't trump my right to live. My right to go see a movie without being shot to death. My right to shop in a mall without being caught in a mass killing at the food court and being shot to death. This is totally insane that we in this country have to live like this. Australian Peas and UK Peas, consider yourselves lucky. I would move to your countries if it was possible, it isn't. My parents are getting older and I don't want to leave them. I hope to change things here. Each voice counts. Little by little things can change. It certainly can't keep going the way it is. Debbie in MD. I was finished with this thread last night, because like all other hot topics here, nothing anyone posts is going to change anyone's mind.
With that said, I'd like to point out to you that just because someone disagrees, does NOT mean "they'll never get it". Do you really expect that in this world, everyone will always agree with your opinion, your POV...and then when they don't, blame them for "not getting it". People are allowed to disagree, see things differently, and not agree with your opinion just because you think you're the only one that's right.
IMO, that's a pretty narrow-minded, and dare I say immature and unrealistic way to live life.
But we agree in the sense that things cannot continue like this. We just disagree at the steps needed for change.
And with that...over and out. I will say again that no one is going to be changing their mind and once any kind of respectful or rational dialogue exits, it's futile to continue the discussion.
I read your comments above and after I quit laughing I pondered your comments for awhile and came to the conclusion they were pompous and full of crap. Of course that is my POV and I certainly don't expect you to agree with it. But you know we are all entitled to our POV narrow minded as it may seem to others. The best thing that can happen now is for this thread to die. And the next time there is a mass shooting , and there will be many more, it should be ignored and no one starts a thread. Ignored just like in IRL. , My conclusion
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Sept 28, 2024 13:35:06 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 3:43:05 GMT
Not me. Money, corruption, power and plain selfishness apparently trumps babies' lives. And nothing was done to help those with mental illness, which is arguably the bigger picture. Let's get outraged about that. Yes, let's be outraged and in the meantime, can you please write Iowa's asshole Republican Governor and let him know just how much you appreciate his closing two of our mental hospitals and cutting funding to other mental health programs.
Yep....it's definitely the bigger picture.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Sept 28, 2024 13:35:06 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 18:24:37 GMT
I'm so sorry MergeLeft for your loss. I don't blame you for leaving this discussion. It's like banging your head against a brick wall. They'll never get it. If a class full of dead kindergarteners didn't change things you wonder what the hell will it take? How many more innocent lives will be lost by guns before things change? How many more dead children? But we can't give up. I won't give up. As I said your right to own a gun doesn't trump my right to live. My right to go see a movie without being shot to death. My right to shop in a mall without being caught in a mass killing at the food court and being shot to death. This is totally insane that we in this country have to live like this. Australian Peas and UK Peas, consider yourselves lucky. I would move to your countries if it was possible, it isn't. My parents are getting older and I don't want to leave them. I hope to change things here. Each voice counts. Little by little things can change. It certainly can't keep going the way it is. Debbie in MD. I was finished with this thread last night, because like all other hot topics here, nothing anyone posts is going to change anyone's mind.
With that said, I'd like to point out to you that just because someone disagrees, does NOT mean "they'll never get it". Do you really expect that in this world, everyone will always agree with your opinion, your POV...and then when they don't, blame them for "not getting it". People are allowed to disagree, see things differently, and not agree with your opinion just because you think you're the only one that's right.
IMO, that's a pretty narrow-minded, and dare I say immature and unrealistic way to live life.
But we agree in the sense that things cannot continue like this. We just disagree at the steps needed for change.
And with that...over and out. I will say again that no one is going to be changing their mind and once any kind of respectful or rational dialogue exits, it's futile to continue the discussion.
Well said GaJenny.
|
|
|
Post by birukitty on Jul 27, 2015 20:01:40 GMT
I'm so sorry MergeLeft for your loss. I don't blame you for leaving this discussion. It's like banging your head against a brick wall. They'll never get it. If a class full of dead kindergarteners didn't change things you wonder what the hell will it take? How many more innocent lives will be lost by guns before things change? How many more dead children? But we can't give up. I won't give up. As I said your right to own a gun doesn't trump my right to live. My right to go see a movie without being shot to death. My right to shop in a mall without being caught in a mass killing at the food court and being shot to death. This is totally insane that we in this country have to live like this. Australian Peas and UK Peas, consider yourselves lucky. I would move to your countries if it was possible, it isn't. My parents are getting older and I don't want to leave them. I hope to change things here. Each voice counts. Little by little things can change. It certainly can't keep going the way it is. Debbie in MD. I was finished with this thread last night, because like all other hot topics here, nothing anyone posts is going to change anyone's mind.
With that said, I'd like to point out to you that just because someone disagrees, does NOT mean "they'll never get it". Do you really expect that in this world, everyone will always agree with your opinion, your POV...and then when they don't, blame them for "not getting it". People are allowed to disagree, see things differently, and not agree with your opinion just because you think you're the only one that's right.
IMO, that's a pretty narrow-minded, and dare I say immature and unrealistic way to live life.
But we agree in the sense that things cannot continue like this. We just disagree at the steps needed for change.
And with that...over and out. I will say again that no one is going to be changing their mind and once any kind of respectful or rational dialogue exits, it's futile to continue the discussion.
Hmmm, looks to me like someone needs some help with reading comprehension. I said and I quote, "They'll never get it. If a class of dead kindergarteners didn't change things you wonder what the hell will it take?" Does that sound like I expect those of you on the gun rights side to agree 100% with me on the changes I want? No, it doesn't. It means after the horrific mass killing at Sandy Hook nothing changed and we (on the gun control side) are left wondering what on earth will it take? I don't expect anyone on your side to agree with me. I understand this is a forum and everyone has a right to their opinion. That is what I love about this forum. That we can meet here and discuss these issues. By learning and discussing change comes about. Slowly but surely. Maybe some of us will be moved towards your side, and some of you will be moved towards our side. Never say never I always say Debbie in MD.
|
|
|
Post by birukitty on Jul 27, 2015 20:06:17 GMT
birukitty I'm sorry for your migraine. They suck. Just wanted to say thank you so much for this Happymama, and I'm so sorry it took me so long to acknowledge your kind sympathies. Debbie in MD.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Sept 28, 2024 13:35:06 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 0:13:05 GMT
I was finished with this thread last night, because like all other hot topics here, nothing anyone posts is going to change anyone's mind.
With that said, I'd like to point out to you that just because someone disagrees, does NOT mean "they'll never get it". Do you really expect that in this world, everyone will always agree with your opinion, your POV...and then when they don't, blame them for "not getting it". People are allowed to disagree, see things differently, and not agree with your opinion just because you think you're the only one that's right.
IMO, that's a pretty narrow-minded, and dare I say immature and unrealistic way to live life.
But we agree in the sense that things cannot continue like this. We just disagree at the steps needed for change.
And with that...over and out. I will say again that no one is going to be changing their mind and once any kind of respectful or rational dialogue exits, it's futile to continue the discussion.
Hmmm, looks to me like someone needs some help with reading comprehension. I said and I quote, "They'll never get it. If a class of dead kindergarteners didn't change things you wonder what the hell will it take?" Does that sound like I expect those of you on the gun rights side to agree 100% with me on the changes I want? No, it doesn't. It means after the horrific mass killing at Sandy Hook nothing changed and we (on the gun control side) are left wondering what on earth will it take? I don't expect anyone on your side to agree with me. I understand this is a forum and everyone has a right to their opinion. That is what I love about this forum. That we can meet here and discuss these issues. By learning and discussing change comes about. Slowly but surely. Maybe some of us will be moved towards your side, and some of you will be moved towards our side. Never say never I always say Debbie in MD. Doesn't look like she has a problem with reading comprehension at all. You said "I don't blame you for leaving this discussion. It's like banging your head against a brick wall. They'll never get it."
So, reading what you wrote, it does sound like you fault people for not agreeing with you.
|
|