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Post by bluepoprocks on Aug 5, 2015 18:23:28 GMT
When my nephews were in public school one of them had a boy in his class that was so dangerous that they were all told if he started to act up they were to immediately leave the classroom so they wouldn't get hurt. He acted up a lot. I didn't think it was fair to the other kids but I was happy the teacher was doing what she could to keep the other kids safe. He threw chairs, desks, books, anything he could get hold of and would hit people. I don't think he belonged in a regular class room. I wouldn't have had a problem with them restraining him in cuffs of some kind to protect the teacher and students.
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Post by caro on Aug 5, 2015 18:41:34 GMT
No. Absolutely not. I think that this country has gone insane trying to insure mainstream education for children that do not belong in a classroom. I totally agree with this. I have teacher friends who can't teach because 5 out of 25 kids are so disruptive in the classroom. How is this fair to the other 20 kids?
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Post by suzastampin on Aug 5, 2015 23:15:36 GMT
No. Absolutely not. I think that this country has gone insane trying to insure mainstream education for children that do not belong in a classroom. This I agree with, for many reasons. My father was a special ed teacher. That was many years ago, but are special ed classrooms a thing of the past now? It seems like I hear and read about classrooms that have special ed students that are mainstreamed into regular classrooms all the time. If I were a parent that had a child that needed more individualized attention I would rather they be in an environment where they can get it. Also, as a parent of a non specialized student, I would not like that my child's education and classroom time was being interrupted because the rights of another child to be in a regular classroom trumped their right to a calm setting without these interruptions. I would also not like that my child's safety is in greater risk because of these particular students. Is there still risk in any classroom? Yes. But why up the risk factors? I think it is also a disservice to the special education child that they are put in a regular class where they are not able to progress at their own level as easily and also that they may not have teachers who are specialized in helping them. We have specialists in medicine, why not education? Special ed classes are still available here. And, as I said before, we put our son in special ed classes as I didn't want him to impact the education of the regular kids. Plus, as Happymomma posted, we felt the special classes would benefit him more. Thankfully, the majority of his outbursts stem from power and cable outages or when he wanted to use the computer. I am not against restraint. I know that it is necessary at times. It is the hand cuffs on this little guys arms is what I am against. As Dani posted, there are ways to restrain without pulling the child's arms behind his back as they were. One hopes that this occasion has brought about discussion and will be a teachable moment for those who have to interact with children.
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Post by RiverIsis on Aug 6, 2015 16:36:26 GMT
No. Absolutely not. I think that this country has gone insane trying to insure mainstream education for children that do not belong in a classroom. This I agree with, for many reasons. My father was a special ed teacher. That was many years ago, but are special ed classrooms a thing of the past now? It seems like I hear and read about classrooms that have special ed students that are mainstreamed into regular classrooms all the time. If I were a parent that had a child that needed more individualized attention I would rather they be in an environment where they can get it. Also, as a parent of a non specialized student, I would not like that my child's education and classroom time was being interrupted because the rights of another child to be in a regular classroom trumped their right to a calm setting without these interruptions. I would also not like that my child's safety is in greater risk because of these particular students. Is there still risk in any classroom? Yes. But why up the risk factors? I think it is also a disservice to the special education child that they are put in a regular class where they are not able to progress at their own level as easily and also that they may not have teachers who are specialized in helping them. We have specialists in medicine, why not education? No Child Left Behind or Race to the Top etc. A lot of well meaning government initiatives have placed kids that should have more attention in mainstream classrooms. From experience as a parent there are Special Ed classes and Regular Classes and Gifted Classes but there isn't anything between Special Ed and Regular and there is a lot of diversity in that area. Add in the pressure of schools to test this whole range of students to the acceptable standard mandated rather than really looking at and appreciating individual progress it is one hot mess in education right now. Additionally not all teachers are created equal. Some are brilliant and some are there. I witnessed a teacher take an instant dislike to my student. She proceeding to spend most of her class with him on the phone to me complaining about him not working. He wouldn't work because he knew she didn't like him and thought what's the point. I volunteered to come to the school, class etc. Oh no, that would be "disruptive" but it wasn't "disruptive" for her to spend that class on the phone to me not teaching her class?! I finally had enough and called the school office and arranged meetings myself. She was also so whackadoodle that she approached me in public and started ranting. I called the school office and told them if she ever did that again I would report her and the school to the State Board of Education. She calmed down a lot after that. I would never say that my child was a perfect student but she definitely didn't know how to teach him either and he could not be blamed for that. I'm trying to work out what is going on that there seems to be more intense confrontations in the classrooms from when I was a student. And for what it is worth ADHD/ADD is such a catch all, popular diagnosis I personally don't trust it.
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Post by AnotherPea on Aug 6, 2015 18:32:03 GMT
Part of it is blatant disrespect that is being taught to students by their parents and/or community. I can't tell you how many times I've had a parent tell her child that the child did not have to do anything I said. Once had a mother threaten me physically if her child ever came home with a complaint about me again.
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Post by pierkiss on Aug 6, 2015 19:02:47 GMT
When my nephews were in public school one of them had a boy in his class that was so dangerous that they were all told if he started to act up they were to immediately leave the classroom so they wouldn't get hurt. He acted up a lot. I didn't think it was fair to the other kids but I was happy the teacher was doing what she could to keep the other kids safe. He threw chairs, desks, books, anything he could get hold of and would hit people. I don't think he belonged in a regular class room. I wouldn't have had a problem with them restraining him in cuffs of some kind to protect the teacher and students. [br With kids like this, and with the school systems, you often have to try the least restrictive methods of behavior change for x amount of time, have specific behavior change programs in place, have a couple of plan changes, and piles of data and anecdotal notes before the system will consider an alternative placement (EBD classroom for example). I think what the teacher told the kids in this instance was great. I had 1 client where we had to have a similar procedure in place until he could be moved out of general Ed.
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Post by RiverIsis on Aug 6, 2015 19:28:05 GMT
Part of it is blatant disrespect that is being taught to students by their parents and/or community. I can't tell you how many times I've had a parent tell her child that the child did not have to do anything I said. Once had a mother threaten me physically if her child ever came home with a complaint about me again. and why is this mother like that? Why is our society undermining public school teachers in this way? Teachers had 100% support from me until they proved otherwise. Most had 100% + support from me at the end of the school year, but not all.
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Post by mrsscrapdiva on Aug 6, 2015 20:54:51 GMT
Quick to sue? I don't think so because what else are they going to immediately do with this enraged child. I agree with the above poster that said that some kids have serious issues an safety has to be first priority.
In our school, they remove all the children from the classroom and leave the child having a meltdown/tantrum/episode/outburst in the classroom. So that means, getting 24 other children lined up and moved to the library or art room etc. This has happened multiple times in my son's class. That was an eye opener for me.
Also about the parents being called to come get their child, like someone else said this could be an issue.
I totally agree too. No idea.
I would think most schools have people certified in proper restraining which is needed in some cases, but not always. But at our school, which is the main one in the district for autism, there have been circumstances that things have not been handled properly in my opinion. There is always two sides. And like someone else said, when a child is having an physical outburst, their strength is unbelievable.
What I am afraid for when these children grow older and are in their late teens to adults is that no one is going to be there to say, hey, my son is autistic or has ADHD, you shouldn't do that. And even in these situations, not everyone is going to be trained properly. I still think there is a lot for people in general learn about autism and behaviors, otherwise, that person is observed as just being combative, a hot head or punk or even someone on drugs (even though they are not).
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Post by kate on Aug 6, 2015 23:03:40 GMT
This was obviously not the first line of defense, according to the article: "Covington Schools' personnel requested assistance from the police during school hours after school administrators' efforts to de-escalate and defuse a threat to others had proven unsuccessful." (emphasis mine)
I would like to know what led up to the incident - I suspect the officer may have been in a no-win situation, but I don't know.
I find it fascinating that the mother said, "School should be a safe place for children." Yes, of course! And if one child is putting the others in danger, then action must be taken (beginning with least restrictive, etc. etc.)
ADHD does not have a fixed set of symptoms. There are kids at my school who have ADHD and are doing fine. There are others at my school who are so hyperactive and impulsive that I pray not to be asked to accompany their class on field trips, because it's not a matter of if but of when they will put their own safety or the safety of others at risk.
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