momto4kiddos
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Post by momto4kiddos on Aug 5, 2015 15:43:48 GMT
Several reasons for bringing this up today, so bear with me.
First reason is dd, going to be a junior in high school, just said to me she's thinking about being a real estate agent. It kind of totally suits her and I could see it happening. She's been thinking college and such so what degree would be suitable for going that route if any? I know no a degree isn't required for it.
Second reason is my mother drives me nuts. Older dd waitresses (and hosts). She started college, dropped out, loves what she is doing. She enjoys her work and the money she makes at it. My mother has a fixation about college degrees. First of all dd has no interest and is old enough to make her own decisions so i'm not interfering! But my feeling on it is this....she likes what she does, she could get a degree in something restaurant related. But my feeling is that she may tire of the field or decide down the road she wants to do something else so that would be the time for classes because she'd know what she wanted at that point. At this point she may just be getting a random degree that may mean nothing to what she may want to do in the future. All speculation really....I just want to know whether my feeling is more on target or Mom's are and you should just be getting a degree? Like I said, I have no intentions of sharing this with dd, just want to know what others think or would do if they were presented with that type of thing. I know kids don't always have a clear direction so wondering what others parents advise if asked to advise.
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Post by moveablefeast on Aug 5, 2015 15:48:36 GMT
My advice would be to pick a university with a good diverse curriculum or a liberal arts college with the same and start on the core classes. Majors she could consider to become a realtor but also have a foundation for something else would be things like marketing and business. But she could start and explore in those first two years and then complete her major in the second two years. That buys her some time where she doesn't have to have everything mapped out just so.
My experience with my job searching over the years is that jobs that didn't require a bachelors degree before do now. I assume that most people need a college degree or specialty training. So that is the assumption I am starting with. $13/hr admin assistants need college degrees now. There's nothing wrong with hostessing but most jobs beyond that will require a degree. Even restaurant management does now, in some places. Without it you just limit yourself is all.
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Post by magentapea on Aug 5, 2015 15:50:47 GMT
I would think that a business/finance degree would be a good background for a real estate agent. If she becomes successful at selling, she may want to become a broker at some point in the future.
For the older dd, I agree with you. Why have the stress/expense of a degree just to have it. If she is making a good living, can support herself, and is happy with what she is doing, she shouldn't have to have a college degree. If, in the future, she wants to do something else, she can go to school then.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 15:57:35 GMT
I agree with everyone that a college degree is not something everyone needs, especially if it is going to give you debt and not get you a good job that you enjoy. However, as a grandmother of a 20 yo Young woman, I understand your mother's worry. I wish my gd would go to college, too and prepare to support a family if she ever needs to. I hope she doesn't, but I have seen too many single mothers struggling because they were not prepared to make a living. I try not to nag her or her mother about it, but if they bring the subject up, I let them know how I feel.
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Post by melodyesch on Aug 5, 2015 15:58:53 GMT
Business, Communications, finance or Marketing for real estate I would think.
If your older daughter (and ONLY your older daughter) thinks she might decide to go to school down the road, then any core classes she could take between now and then would only help her. I went 2 years then dropped out. Years later when I finally did want to get my degree my credits transferred and I was so happy I don't have to start from scratch.
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Post by smalltowngirlie on Aug 5, 2015 16:02:37 GMT
Not every person or every career needs a college degree. If your older DD is happy at what she does and can support herself, great!! If at any time she feels she wants to go back to school with a focus, great!!! I do not think it is a good idea to get a degree, just to get a degree. That is a lot of time and money that will most likely be wasted.
For your younger DD, I can't really give advice to what courses she should take. Yeah, that she has an idea od what she wants to do.
Sounds like you have two pretty smart young ladies.
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Post by peabay on Aug 5, 2015 16:14:24 GMT
College is not for everyone. It just isn't. The world needs waitresses just as much as it needs marketing executives, teachers and every other job out there. College will always be there. She is much better off going when she wants to, on her own timetable, than on your mom's timetable. And I would tell my mother that.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Aug 5, 2015 16:17:24 GMT
I think you've gotten good responses so far. I agree that if somebody is not interested in college, then pressuring them to go is not useful. If your older daughter decides she wants to pursue it at some point, it will be more worthwhile for her. There are multiple paths to happiness and if what she is doing works for her now, that's great.
One thing I thought about - your older daughter enjoys waitressing and hostessing and the money she makes. What kind of benefits does she have? Is she paying for health insurance or saving for retirement and does her employer offer any kind of retirement plans? Often jobs you can get with a college degree will offer these kinds of benefits that in long term will differentiate from a job that you get without a degree. I think it's just food for thought if she ever brings up the subject with you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 16:18:45 GMT
I'd probably suggest community college classes for both of them and business related ones for the younger daughter. That said, she will be competing for jobs with those that do have college degrees. My nephew just graduated Old Miss in business, got his license and is job hunting. In general, an employer/broker is going to prefer someone with a degree over someone without one. Even a 2yr associates is better than nothing at all.
As for older DD, I would probably talk about the future and what her interests are. Because waitressing usually won't last a whole lifetime. I'd want more say if I were still paying some or all of her expenses.
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Post by peabay on Aug 5, 2015 16:21:50 GMT
I agree with the others that maybe guiding your older dd to think about a life beyond waitressing would be helpful. People with a college degree make a whole lot more money over their lifetimes than people without. And the benefits issue is a real one. But again, paying for college when you aren't sure what you want to do and don't even want to be there is a colossal waste of money. She has to reach that point herself.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Aug 5, 2015 16:22:01 GMT
It's due to education inflation that a $13/hr admin needs a degree. Because that job does not need a degree, no matter how much people try to justify that it does.
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Post by wrongwayfeldman on Aug 5, 2015 16:27:28 GMT
I also agree with most of the posts above. I would suggest core classes at a community college if nothing else for your younger daughter. Right now, Real Estate seems the most interesting to her, but at her age and level of life experience, she really has no idea what else is out there in the world. She may end up in that field after all, and if so, she'll be more prepared for it and definitely more marketable.
Your older daughter has the perfect opportunity right now to take a part time schedule of morning classes at a community college. Even one at a time would give her a taste of what else is out there. With a hostess's schedule, she likely works late afternoons and evenings, so I would imagine her mornings are pretty open. What a great chance to fill in her day with some college level courses, just in case.
It's hard to find the balance between letting them do their own thing and making their own choices. You seem like you're great at that, and you'll be a good support to them as they navigate this big world. Good luck!
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Post by epeanymous on Aug 5, 2015 16:28:07 GMT
I would probably encourage the younger daughter to enroll in a diversity of classes and see what she finds interesting and motivating. A junior in high school is young, real estate is a pretty saturated job market depending on where you live, and she may or may not decide that is what she wants to do. She has plenty of time.
For the older daughter, if you aren't supporting her, I might offer the parental advice to her that she may want to envision where she wants to be five or ten years from now, and/or that it does get more difficult to decide to go to college once you have responsibilities to other people (spouse, kids), but I wouldn't push her to go to college when she isn't interested right now and think you are right. I know a number of women in their child-rearing years who wish they had gone to college when it wasn't as logistically challenging, but, on the other hand, many of those women didn't have career paths in mind that required college when they were twenty or so, so it is hard to say what the right decision is.
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Post by red88 on Aug 5, 2015 16:29:08 GMT
Keep in mind if your daughter decides to go into the real estate world, she will be self employed. She can work with an agency, but the agency isn't going to look whether or not she has a degree. But, she really should take business classes. Running your own business can be daunting but rewarding.
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Post by seaexplore on Aug 5, 2015 16:36:31 GMT
My DH has a degree in business and is both a real estate broker and general building contractor. He builds houses now but did real estate for a few years. It definitely helps him to have the business degree since both things mean he is self employed. I'm a teacher so I obviously have a degree and I take care of our medical and retirement.
I think that the older DD needs to think about long term. Will she have a trade down the line that will pay for her retirement? Does she make enough to cover her insurance and her future potential family? Will she rely on finding a partner who will support her down the line?
Younger DD, I would say to go to JC first. She can get an AA in business and go from there. A bachelor's is not necessary for real estate. HOWEVER, as just happened a few years ago, what happens when the market crashes again? We went from pulling in LOTS of cash to living off my income alone. Luckily we didn't owe money on much so we were able to keep our toys, cars, house. LOTS of people in real estate lost EVERYTHING, their marriage included, when the market tanked. That is a very real possibility that she needs to be aware of. She might want to get a bachelor's that will help make her marketable should she need to use it.
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Post by perumbula on Aug 5, 2015 16:37:22 GMT
For the younger dd, an associates degree in business and marketing from a community college would be a good background for a real estate agent. She would go into the job knowing how to run her business and what marketing works and what doesn't. It won't replace a good mentor when she enters the field, but it will help. It will also help her gain some maturity and understanding before she enters the real estate world.
For the older dd, if she's happy where she is, that's great. If she would like to do some college classes just to expand her knowledge and to prepare for just in case, I would suggest nothing more than an associate's degree in something generic like General Education or Business. (Business is the better choice because it's more marketable as an employee.) Once she decides on a career, she's already got 2 years under her belt and can get her BA or BS much more quickly and cheaply. However, I wouldn't go around thinking "she's not going to like restaurants forever." it's entirely possible she's fallen in love with the hospitality industry and a degree in Hotel and Restaurant Management would help her move up in the restaurant world.
All that said, neither of your dd's should be pushed to get a degree they do not want. It's a waste of time and money for them. If they think a degree will help them and they want it, great. If not, they are fine and have great goals for their future as it is. Grandma just worries about her granddaughters, and that's ok. But she might be helped by the girls talking to her about their future plans so Grandma can understand that they aren't aimless and they do have plans for a career.
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Post by peasapie on Aug 5, 2015 16:40:33 GMT
My daughter, like many, didn't have a clue what she wanted to do. So she majored in English and worked in an office when she graduated. Then she got married and is now home with kids. She decided she'd like to be a nurse. Fortunately, since she already has a degree, she only needed around 6 classes and two practicum semesters to get an RN, which she has almost completed. (And the classes were online.)
I think a degree is always worthwhile, no matter what. Even if it is an associate degree. You just never know where life will take you.
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Post by pridemom on Aug 5, 2015 16:45:19 GMT
I have a 4yr degree and hubby has a masters. You know who makes more than both of us? The guy who took an 8 week course to drive heavy equipment in a union job.
My job is assisting people with career help. There are many trade certificates available that go along with well-paying careers. I recommend training of some kind because that's what increases earning potential.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Aug 5, 2015 17:16:13 GMT
I have a 4yr degree and hubby has a masters. You know who makes more than both of us? The guy who took an 8 week course to drive heavy equipment in a union job. My job is assisting people with career help. There are many trade certificates available that go along with well-paying careers. I recommend training of some kind because that's what increases earning potential. I think this is a good point. Not all higher education has to be a traditional four year degrees. I think whatever your interest is, pursuing further education is always a good thing!
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Post by bc2ca on Aug 5, 2015 17:19:48 GMT
One of our local community colleges has an AA program in Real Estate so have your daughter take a look at what is available in your area. As others have said, classes in business, sales & marketing are all really useful for a real estate career. I'd also encourage her to contact local realtors or industry group and talk to professionals about their career paths.
I would not pressure your older DD to complete a degree. My perspective on the restaurant business is a little different with DH's family being in the industry, but experience is more valued and valuable than a degree. It your DD was interested in a broader hospitality industry career I would steer her towards Restaurant & Hotel Managment only if she wants to work her way up through a big, higher end hotel group (with great opportunities for international work & travel).
I think we do a huge disservice to our kids when we push them to go to college without a clear goal.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Aug 5, 2015 17:35:37 GMT
I agree with the previous posters regarding degrees. I'd only add that if your daughter is interested in real estate, she needs to understand that 99% of being an agent is marketing. Most people wash out of the industry as they are never able to attract sufficient clients to make enough money to support themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 17:36:55 GMT
I have a 4yr degree and hubby has a masters. You know who makes more than both of us? The guy who took an 8 week course to drive heavy equipment in a union job. My job is assisting people with career help. There are many trade certificates available that go along with well-paying careers. I recommend training of some kind because that's what increases earning potential. The guy that does this will never make more than the union max and can only move to certain jobs depending what book he is on. ( an operator can not do a laborer's job or a teamster job).
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 5, 2015 17:38:00 GMT
Most of the realators we have ever worked with had a 4 yr business degree. And YES, reality offices that hire them, WILL look to see if you have a degree or not.
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Post by pridemom on Aug 5, 2015 17:42:50 GMT
I have a 4yr degree and hubby has a masters. You know who makes more than both of us? The guy who took an 8 week course to drive heavy equipment in a union job. My job is assisting people with career help. There are many trade certificates available that go along with well-paying careers. I recommend training of some kind because that's what increases earning potential. The guy that does this will never make more than the union max and can only move to certain jobs depending what book he is on. ( an operator can not do a laborer's job or a teamster job). My point is that there are many jobs that make excellent money without a four year degree. The belief that everyone must go to college is ludicrous.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 17:45:15 GMT
For your older daughter : if she loves the restaurant business there are many avenues to take. Restaurant management , becoming a chef, a sommelier, accounting
Your younger daughter: I know a guy who has a degree in psychology and is a real estate agent. With his degree and a certifying course, he is the office mediator . Plus smaller firms often hire him for mediating. He does quite well on just the mediating jobs.
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Post by mellowyellow on Aug 5, 2015 17:47:57 GMT
I think a business or finance degree would be good for your daughter that wants to be a real estate agent.
I do agree that college is not for everybody but with that being said...the only thing I would worry about for my oldest DD is health insurance, retirement. I wouldn't think restaurants would offer things like that.
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Post by Judy26 on Aug 5, 2015 17:51:09 GMT
My DS is almost 21. He went to college for a year and hated it. He said it was a waste of money as he didn't know what he wanted to do. He is working construction and has a wonderful mentor who is making sure he is constantly gaining new skills. He says he doesn't want to work construction forever but until he decides what he does want to do he is gainfully employed, has time to peruse his hobbies and is happy.
I don't think everyone is mature enough to choose a career at 18 and the cost of higher education is out of control. I think way too much stress is put on young people to get a degree and then they are stuck with loan payments that are more than a modest house payment. If DS decides to go back to school we will happily support that decision but if he decides on learning a trade and he feels fulfilled then so be it. College is not for everyone.
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Post by loco coco on Aug 5, 2015 17:53:30 GMT
College isn't for everyone, maybe a Certificate program at a community college would be good for her and Ive seen some involving real estate
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Post by anxiousmom on Aug 5, 2015 17:57:49 GMT
I have a 4yr degree and hubby has a masters. You know who makes more than both of us? The guy who took an 8 week course to drive heavy equipment in a union job. My job is assisting people with career help. There are many trade certificates available that go along with well-paying careers. I recommend training of some kind because that's what increases earning potential. I had a similar job and was shocked by similar situations. I have a college degree and earned less than people that I helped with career planning and job training. My four year degree has helped some, but not nearly as much as I would have thought it would.
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Post by SabrinaM on Aug 5, 2015 18:08:59 GMT
Business, Communications, finance or Marketing for real estate I would think. If your older daughter (and ONLY your older daughter) thinks she might decide to go to school down the road, then any core classes she could take between now and then would only help her. I went 2 years then dropped out. Years later when I finally did want to get my degree my credits transferred and I was so happy I don't have to start from scratch. This is where I am. I have 40 credits. While I'm glad I'm not starting from scratch, I'm ***really*** wishing I had more pressure from my parents to continue. I didn't have a whole lot of support or guidance. I'm not blaming anyone for my choices. I just know that I will be strongly encouraging my girls to go to college.
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