Nicole in TX
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Post by Nicole in TX on Aug 26, 2015 15:43:37 GMT
High school diplomas and transcripts do not indicate a child is gifted OR learning support.
A school may be able to make an educated guess if they look at the names of the courses a student took (such as General Math vs. AP Calculus in their senior year), but that is it.
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Post by lostwithout2peas on Aug 26, 2015 15:46:04 GMT
I will jump in here and agree with what others have posted before me. It's not about harder work in the gifted programs but a different way of approaching things and having more then one way to do things. My daughter who was in the all day gifted program since 2nd grade in elementary, learned several different ways to do one math problem. It blew my mind! I did have worries when we first where gonna move her, but then I realized after seeing her in her regular ed class with her other classmates she was alot more mature then her classmates. When we did move her I watched her with her new classmates and I could see she was in the right place. She was surrounded by higher level creative thinkers like herself.
Now she's in middle school and she has a block of a gifted class along with and AP English/language arts, advanced placement math, and then regular ed classes. In high school there is no gifted program I beieve, it's just AP classes.
The way our gifted program director described some of the gifted childrens traits where children that more sensitive to the world outside their own bubble. They also were more harder on themselves regarding perfection. There was a whole list of things that fit my daughter to a T and then some others that fit my gifted older son to a T. It helped us recognize certain things and be able to help them deal with things.
So them being tested and labeled as gifted has helped them and us tremendously, as we had a non-gifted oldest son who didn't have the traits that the 2 younger ones where displaying and had never had to deal with.
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Post by anonrefugee on Aug 26, 2015 15:50:40 GMT
The teacher's may keep asking to test your children to keep their gifted program alive. If students that qualify for the program aren't interested in participating, then the program becomes vulnerable to funding cuts. Around here there is huge competition between the 2 neighborhood HS trying to establish IB tracks and the magnet HS for the top students. With IB, AP and dual enrolment programs the gifted designation is not used at the HS level in our district. That sounds like previous growing pains here. It was settled by AP at all, one STEAM academy, IB offered at one HS and medical and other professional training programs offered at the third. I didn't pay as much attention to the debate as I should have, but apparently quite a tussle until it was settled. Now it's very smooth systems and no problems.
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Post by Basket1lady on Aug 26, 2015 15:54:37 GMT
Others have done a good jobs explaining why GT curriculum can be different. I'd suggest meeting with the GT dept head and getting his/her opinion on the pros and cons of their program. Unless you know what your HS program is like, it's difficult to make a judgement if it's a good fit for your student.
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Post by Linda on Aug 26, 2015 16:24:02 GMT
gifted in some states (I don't know about all) falls under the Exceptional Student (special education) category and most likely does carry additional funding
Both of my older ones were tested, both missed by a point and neither were placed in the gifted program (fwiw - everyone at the schools were shocked that they didn't qualify). From what I've since seen of our gifted program - that may have been a blessing in disguise - it's one day/wk pull-out program where the students are bussed to a central location and then have to make up missed classroom work. My oldest is well out of high school now and my middle is a sophomore - gifted only applies in my district until the end of 8th grade - high school has enough honours, AP and dual enrollment options that it's easy to customise a course of study to fit a student's needs and interests. I will be surprised if they identify my youngest as a candidate for gifted testing (it's usually done in 3rd grade here - and she's just started 3rd).
I was in a gifted magnet program for 4th and 5th grade (our district didn't have special gifted programming for Jr and Sr high - simply advanced/honours classes). It was fun, challenging and I started learning French in 4th grade years earlier than my non-gifted peers (who started in either 7th grade if they were honours track or high school if not). I don't think it had a whit of influence on my college applications or my life post-school.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 16:25:39 GMT
In our school it's not gifted, it AP/ honor classes. They are weighted on your GPA diffrent and yes colleges notice. My 16 year old is is Honors Math, AP World History, Honors Spanish,Honors English & AP Chem & then some electives for the year. She always peppers the AP/ HONORS classes each year.
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Post by tuva42 on Aug 26, 2015 20:55:43 GMT
Really? Every single kid in the advanced classes doesn't know how to socialize? Wow, what a stereotype. My youngest is in the most advanced classes at her school - she's doing the 2nd year of AP Calculus, etc., she'll graduate with 8 AP classes on her transcript. She has fabulous social skills, and has a large group of "gifted" friends who all have great social skills, too. Our school is the magnet school for the Math, Science and Technology program. Yeah, there are a few kids who don't have the greatest social skills, but by no means are all of them like that.
And to answer your original question - yes, if your kids want to go to a competitive college, compete for scholarships, etc., the schools will consider how challenging their schedule is.
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Post by happymom on Aug 26, 2015 21:00:15 GMT
In our school it's not gifted, it AP/ honor classes. They are weighted on your GPA diffrent and yes colleges notice. My 16 year old is is Honors Math, AP World History, Honors Spanish,Honors English & AP Chem & then some electives for the year. She always peppers the AP/ HONORS classes each year. Each school is different but this would be important for a parent to know. Especially because of class rank. For example HERE honors is not weighted here but Ap is. If a child dropped band/chorus/orchestra and art in favor of Ap classes, the rank could be higher. Our state flagship is selective and stingy with the merit scholarships. You need to be in the top 3% of your class and have a 33+ on ACT to just qualify for consideration. My son is at a top 40 college and his scholarship was for students in the top 10% all this info is on the schools "profile". If you can't find it on the website, you can request it from the guidance office
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AnotherPea
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Post by AnotherPea on Aug 26, 2015 22:26:59 GMT
IME, "gifted" doesn't mean squat. There isn't (or at least not in my area) a standardized test for being gifted.
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scrapaddie
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Post by scrapaddie on Aug 28, 2015 22:09:52 GMT
The one thing you don't want is rude for your students to be able to get through high school too easily. Part of high school this morning to learn. College will be far more challenging and they need to develop the tools to handle that challenge.
Secondly, most high schools don't have separate gifted classes the kids are put in honors classes and select more rigorous curriculum including AP classes. If your student is very capable and has chosen a less challenging curriculum, that may look unfavorable at a college application..
Thirdly, the idea of that gifted kids are less socially adept is just plain ridiculous. My daughter was gifted and so I was familiar with the programs that she went through. She and her friends were and remain very social. She did worry about going into a college on our storm, thinking that there would be no fun. At the last moment after talking to some friends she chose the honors dorm and was very glad that she did.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Aug 29, 2015 1:54:42 GMT
I'm kind of cynical about college applications. I thinks it's heavily based on SAT or ACT scores. With a side of DO NOT be a one dimensional student, be well rounded. I didn't see any where that was specifically asked for and only place it could be mentioned is under achievements or in an essay. But my experince was limited to universities with fine arts and art schools. Your kids cpukd get more mileage out of an essay on why they chose not to enter that program, who knows. Each school is different. Any idea where they might like to go? Check out the websites for those places and see what they stress. Actually it isn't. SAT and ACT scores have very little weight. Schools are really looking for a well rounded student with interests other than taking 7 AP classes every semester. Most schools use it as a benchmark of the students ability to succeed but many told us that grades are a better indicator. It varies wildly based on where they apply. You have to look at each school your child wants to apply to and see their criteria. Some want a certain score before they will consider you others want a particular class ranking.
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 29, 2015 1:58:49 GMT
I've never heard of "gifted" high school classes. I've seen honors, ap, and concurrent or dual enrollment ones, but not labeled gifted.
Our honors classes are open to any who have the grades, there is no need to be identified.
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sophikins
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Post by sophikins on Aug 29, 2015 14:58:48 GMT
If you are looking at Ivy League or similar top tier schools like Stanford, their average (middle 50%) SAT scores run 700-800. Almost 90% have a composite ACT over 30. When they say they are looking for a well rounded student, that is AFTER they have waded through the thousands of applicants with test scores in that range. Yes, there is always an exception, but those statistics paint a more accurate picture than an admission officer's feel-good speech about wanting "well rounded" students. I would guess that if you took away scores from recruited athletes and other cases with special connections/circumstances you would find the scores of accepted students even higher.
I agree with other posts that since "gifted" does not have a specific definition, particularly in high school, it doesn't carry any weight. Many parents are fixated with their child being in a "gifted" program before high school, but that will not be relevant for college applications. Even AP classes have become quite common. The numbers taking AP tests have been increasing such that in 2013 over a third of public high school students took an AP exam. If you added in private schools I would guess that upwards of 75% of those students take AP tests.
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