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Post by theshyone on Sept 2, 2015 3:23:45 GMT
Years ago it was thought depression was simply mind over matter. Think positive it will go away. It's all in the head.
then the thought process seemed to change that depression was really a physical thing. A real imbalance of chemicals in the brain.
Where is the prevailing medical opinion on it now in 2015?
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Sept 2, 2015 3:53:40 GMT
That it is a medical disorder caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain.
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Post by theshyone on Sept 2, 2015 4:15:35 GMT
That's what I thought.
I've struggled so much with PTSD symptoms, anxiety, depression since my heart issues began. At time walking the tightrope to thinking why did I fight this hard to live.
My heart doctor ships me to a psychiatrist. He makes recommendations. My heart doctor shoots them down. I appeal to my GP yesterday. She gets up in my face, actually raising her voice to me, telling me it's up to me. That I have to be the one to get myself out of the depression. That it totally on me.
It made me wonder if the prevailing opinion had changed over the last 5 years.
I'm just lost. As soon as my GP got up in my face & started yelling my brain shut down. Too much stimuli from too many places.
I just don't understand.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 2, 2015 4:24:41 GMT
is a psychiatrist the one who can prescribe drugs, or is it a psychologist? It depends on what state you're in, I think, too-- when I lived in Illinois it needed to be a mental health professional, but here in AZ, a GP can prescribe medication for anxiety or medication. I would talk to your GP again, or maybe find another one... your doctor should NOT be shooting things down, she should be giving you suggestions for things to help you!! Can you find a licensed counselor, at least, to talk to, and then possibly get information from a counselor talking about the symptoms, etc. that you could then take back to your GP to find a medication to help you?
Maybe it's because I've already been taking anti-depressants before I started seeing my current doctor, but every time I see him he asks me about my symptoms and how my depression is doing. Your GP is really letting you down with this one, in my opinion.
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Post by oaksong on Sept 2, 2015 4:31:31 GMT
That's what I thought. I've struggled so much with PTSD symptoms, anxiety, depression since my heart issues began. At time walking the tightrope to thinking why did I fight this hard to live. My heart doctor ships me to a psychiatrist. He makes recommendations. My heart doctor shoots them down. I appeal to my GP yesterday. She gets up in my face, actually raising her voice to me, telling me it's up to me. That I have to be the one to get myself out of the depression. That it totally on me. It made me wonder if the prevailing opinion had changed over the last 5 years. I'm just lost. As soon as my GP got up in my face & started yelling my brain shut down. Too much stimuli from too many places. I just don't understand. Holy hell, are you kidding me?! Time for a new doctor! Sometimes a little chemical correction is all you need to get back on track, or maybe you need a lot of chemical correction, and probably some therapy to help you find a new way of looking at things. That doctor has obviously not learned anything new for quite a long time. What an ignorant bully, seriously! I'm sorry you're suffering. Try to hang in there. Can your insurance company help you with a mental health referral?
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 2, 2015 4:47:21 GMT
if you're employed, does your employer have an employee assistance program as part of the medical benefits? that's how I got help the first time; the employee assistance program was a toll-free, confidential phone number I called; they asked me a series of questions to assess my mental situation (was I in danger of hurting myself, rate things from 1-5 with 1 being every day, 5 being never, things like that) and I think they e-mailed me general information about depression as well as a list of counselors in my area that I could call for appointments.
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Sept 2, 2015 4:53:47 GMT
That's what I thought. I've struggled so much with PTSD symptoms, anxiety, depression since my heart issues began. At time walking the tightrope to thinking why did I fight this hard to live. My heart doctor ships me to a psychiatrist. He makes recommendations. My heart doctor shoots them down. I appeal to my GP yesterday. She gets up in my face, actually raising her voice to me, telling me it's up to me. That I have to be the one to get myself out of the depression. That it totally on me. It made me wonder if the prevailing opinion had changed over the last 5 years. I'm just lost. As soon as my GP got up in my face & started yelling my brain shut down. Too much stimuli from too many places. I just don't understand. Depression is closely linked with cardiac issues. If my cardiologist was shooting down a psychiatrist's opinion of my mental health, I would be looking for a new cardiologist. I'm sorry your doctors are not listening to you. I really don't understand what's going on there, either.
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Post by miominmio on Sept 2, 2015 5:13:54 GMT
That's what I thought. I've struggled so much with PTSD symptoms, anxiety, depression since my heart issues began. At time walking the tightrope to thinking why did I fight this hard to live. My heart doctor ships me to a psychiatrist. He makes recommendations. My heart doctor shoots them down. I appeal to my GP yesterday. She gets up in my face, actually raising her voice to me, telling me it's up to me. That I have to be the one to get myself out of the depression. That it totally on me. It made me wonder if the prevailing opinion had changed over the last 5 years. I'm just lost. As soon as my GP got up in my face & started yelling my brain shut down. Too much stimuli from too many places. I just don't understand. Your GP needs to find a new job!! But she does have a point: you won't come out of the depression unless a part of you wants to. BUT: you might need medication to help you and you might need other kinds of treatment, but it will still require hard work on your part (been there, done that). It is hard to learn how to turn your thought processes around, but that is what a psycologist or psychatrist will help you with (but it will take time, and possibly medication too). Honestly, I would find a new GP. Even though a kick in the butt might be necessary at times, yelling at a patient isn't the way to do it. Unless the medication the psychatrist wants to prescribe effects the treatment the cardiologist is administering, he has no reason to "shoot it down". None! Serious illness is life altering, and what you are experiencing is not uncommon. Please trust me when I tell you that most people will learn how to live with their new normal, and that life will be good again. Different, but good. hugs.
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Sept 2, 2015 7:34:16 GMT
The way I understand it is Depression has more than one term
The physical or medical term is a brain imbalance, yes I agree with that because you can physically see the imbalances on brain scans and such
But didn't something had to have caused this imbalance? Maybe thoughts that are negative? "I've never been good at this", "I hate that time I tried and was so close but messed up" "what's the point of even trying since it's never gotten better" ... So the mental term for depression could be negative thinking and living in the past.
And what could have caused the negative thoughts that the past enticed?
Maybe emotions? People getting on your nerves all the time about criticizing you for your "weak effort" but you never express this feeling. So the emotional term for depression could be suppressed anger.
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Post by gar on Sept 2, 2015 7:38:21 GMT
That's awful and I agree, time for a new GP by the sounds of it.
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Post by miominmio on Sept 2, 2015 8:13:55 GMT
The way I understand it is Depression has more than one term The physical or medical term is a brain imbalance, yes I agree with that because you can physically see the imbalances on brain scans and such But didn't something had to have caused this imbalance? Maybe thoughts that are negative? "I've never been good at this", "I hate that time I tried and was so close but messed up" "what's the point of even trying since it's never gotten better" ... So the mental term for depression could be negative thinking and living in the past. And what could have caused the negative thoughts that the past enticed? Maybe emotions? People getting on your nerves all the time about criticizing you for your "weak effort" but you never express this feeling. So the emotional term for depression could be suppressed anger. Maybe....but then, in another thread you claimed some very serious illnesses are caused by emotions....
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Sept 2, 2015 12:28:25 GMT
That's what I thought. I've struggled so much with PTSD symptoms, anxiety, depression since my heart issues began. At time walking the tightrope to thinking why did I fight this hard to live. My heart doctor ships me to a psychiatrist. He makes recommendations. My heart doctor shoots them down. I appeal to my GP yesterday. She gets up in my face, actually raising her voice to me, telling me it's up to me. That I have to be the one to get myself out of the depression. That it totally on me. It made me wonder if the prevailing opinion had changed over the last 5 years. I'm just lost. As soon as my GP got up in my face & started yelling my brain shut down. Too much stimuli from too many places. I just don't understand. You said your cardiologist sent you to a psychiatrist. Then shot down all the recommendations. I would think that was unusual. Why? If if the treatment would not pose any complications to the heart issue why not try them? I think if a doctor started yelling at me, I would shut down to anything they said. At the very least, she has no patience and is probably not the right doc for you (or me). Hope you find someone to help you navigate through this soon so you find some relief. Take care.
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Post by theshyone on Sept 2, 2015 14:37:53 GMT
I have a genetic heart condition that has drugs a mile long that need to be prevented in case they cause arrythmias. However I have a ICD so that if I do have an arrythmia my heart would be shocked and restarted.
Due to my brain injury from the sudden cardiac arrests I am not employed.
Their are medications for anxiety and depression that other LONG QT patients take. Not ones that are on the drug list to avoid.
I simply do not understand the extreme reluctance to help me. By either my GP or my cardiologist. They both insist it's up to me to end the depression.
I've done 4 or 5 counsellors over the last three years with little help. I've done rehabilitation programs. I've done anti anxiety program.
It was a very surreal appointment. Smh.
I think they want me to kill myself so they don't have me around any more.
I've been told by both at different times over the last couple months that if I'm going to hurt myself go to ER. ER will help me. I asked outright, why would ER help me when you won't? What would ER do that you won't? That's when the whole reply to me degenerated.
I just don't get it. I don't understand.
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Post by paigepea on Sept 2, 2015 15:11:05 GMT
I'm sorry you're going going through this.
In my experience, the current course of treatments is multi faceted. My Dr wouldn't prescribe mess for anxiety unless I was seeing a physiologist regularly first. I was diagnosed with general anxiety disorder and it flared up due to a specific situation. I think my situation is treated differently then someone who has clinical depression. If I didn't agree to see a psychologist regularly my Dr wouldn't have medicated me, as I needed to also learn many coping strategies. In effect, I had to get up and help myself, show that I really wanted to change, before I could be medicated.
I'm not saying your Dr is or isn't wrong, I'm just saying that it is hard to understand someone's whole story / help give advice without all the proper background info. If you are unhappy with your care then it is time to seek help elsewhere. Just dig deep inside and decide if you'll get the same answer somewhere else or if you truly think you'll get a different answer.
In my situation, depression and anxiety were situational. Medication helped me cope, but the medication wasn't an easy type of medication to take. There were many side effects that caused me more troubles. As soon as I could, I got off the medication. The psycologist who helped me was invaluable. i have no experience with clinical depression.
Hugs to you. I know you must feel like you're at the bottom of a hole, but one day it will change and you'll feel better. Do you have a friend / relative who can go to the doctor with you and help advocate for you. One thing I learned at the psychologist is to never feel ashamed of how I feel. I have anxiety and I'm proud of it - it is part of who I am and it is the part that makes me an emotional, loving person. If something causes me depression or anxiety, I find someone to talk to immediately. And I have taken friends with me to the doctor when needed.
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Post by likescarrots on Sept 2, 2015 15:12:47 GMT
Can you go back to the psychiatrist and tell them what you experienced? Maybe they can recommend a new gp and cardiologist?
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Post by nurseypants on Sept 2, 2015 15:43:24 GMT
I have a genetic heart condition that has drugs a mile long that need to be prevented in case they cause arrythmias. However I have a ICD so that if I do have an arrythmia my heart would be shocked and restarted. Due to my brain injury from the sudden cardiac arrests I am not employed. Their are medications for anxiety and depression that other LONG QT patients take. Not ones that are on the drug list to avoid. I simply do not understand the extreme reluctance to help me. By either my GP or my cardiologist. They both insist it's up to me to end the depression. I've done 4 or 5 counsellors over the last three years with little help. I've done rehabilitation programs. I've done anti anxiety program. It was a very surreal appointment. Smh. I think they want me to kill myself so they don't have me around any more. I've been told by both at different times over the last couple months that if I'm going to hurt myself go to ER. ER will help me. I asked outright, why would ER help me when you won't? What would ER do that you won't? That's when the whole reply to me degenerated. I just don't get it. I don't understand. This post right here makes me wonder whether your PCP/cardiologist have made recommendations that you have rejected, or whether you have been non-compliant. I can understand their frustration if this is the case.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 2, 2015 15:45:40 GMT
just to give a different point of view-- in my case, I was functioning, basically-- I went to work, did my laundry, fed the cats, etc. but only because I HAD to... I didn't do anything more than necessary to exist. I had gone through a very long process of medical issues and a major surgery, and I think that was what triggered the depression to get worse; bad enough that I finally decided I needed to get help.
The first couple appointments I had were discussions about how long I had felt like that, how bad it was, things like that. The point I'm trying to make (badly) is that I had chronic depression, and I had probably had it for years... this meant that my brain no longer made the proper amounts of serotonin, and had gotten 'used to' the lower levels. If I take my anti-depressant faithfully, I function 'normally' and feel fine. But if I forget it for a couple days, I can TELL-- my brain just DOES NOT MAKE the proper amount of that chemical, and I will always need to take my medication for my brain to work right. It's not always something that happens to CAUSE you to 'be depressed' like a previous poster said. Sometimes not matter what else you do, there is still a chemical imbalance.
I'm seriously flabbergasted that your doctors wouldn't at least give you suggestions of medications or other therapy to help your situation-- maybe they're just 'old school' like someone already mentioned... but that, for me, means it would be time to find another doctor. And not every counselor's approach and manner will work with every patient, either. It can take a while to find one that you 'click' with...
don't give up!
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Post by birukitty on Sept 2, 2015 16:07:51 GMT
I have a genetic heart condition that has drugs a mile long that need to be prevented in case they cause arrythmias. However I have a ICD so that if I do have an arrythmia my heart would be shocked and restarted. Due to my brain injury from the sudden cardiac arrests I am not employed. Their are medications for anxiety and depression that other LONG QT patients take. Not ones that are on the drug list to avoid. I simply do not understand the extreme reluctance to help me. By either my GP or my cardiologist. They both insist it's up to me to end the depression. I've done 4 or 5 counsellors over the last three years with little help. I've done rehabilitation programs. I've done anti anxiety program. It was a very surreal appointment. Smh. I think they want me to kill myself so they don't have me around any more. I've been told by both at different times over the last couple months that if I'm going to hurt myself go to ER. ER will help me. I asked outright, why would ER help me when you won't? What would ER do that you won't? That's when the whole reply to me degenerated. I just don't get it. I don't understand. I had "treatment resistant depression"- that was the official diagnosis for 10 years, so I'm very familiar with depression. Here's my take on your situation: First of all you need to get rid of your GP. What he/she did is completely unethical. Depression is absolutely a chemical imbalance in the brain. You cannot wish, think, make yourself happy again no matter how hard you try. It is physically impossible! It's like a diabetic patient wishing he could give himself an insulin shot without physically doing it. In order to treat depression you have to change the chemical imbalance in the brain-you do that with medication. The only doctor who can do that is a psychiatrist or a GP. When it comes to depression a psychiatrist is far and above your best hope, because they are specially trained to treat depression. They know the different medications and how they interact far more thoroughly than a GP. A GP is just that-a General Practioner-they have to know everything about the human body. I would also seriously consider changing your cardiologist. Right now you have a cardiologist unwilling to work with your psychiatrist and the suggestions he has made for your treatment-where does this leave you? Stuck is where. The only way you can get help (if you stick with this cardiologist) is if you are in danger of killing yourself which is when the ER is willing to help and what they do is place you on a 24 hour hold in a psych hospital where your will finally get the medication and help you need. Do not wait until then! The longer you wait to treat depression, the harder it is to get better! You want a cardiologist and a psychiatrist who are willing to work together to treat you. That's what good doctors do-work together to treat their patients. My advice (after all this) is if you liked the psychiatrist you saw, is change the cardiologist and when you are looking for one at the first appointment explain what's going on, bring the psychiatrist’s card and tell him/her you are looking for a cardiologist willing to work with your psychiatrist. Any competent, honourable cardiologist will have no problem with this. They will work together to find a safe medication for you. I would completely drop the GP and never see him/her again, and when you are up to it leave some reviews on review websites explaining what this doctor did. Depression is very hard. I wish for you speedy healing and a return to happiness. Hang in there, it will come. Debbie in MD.
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Sept 2, 2015 16:07:59 GMT
The way I understand it is Depression has more than one term The physical or medical term is a brain imbalance, yes I agree with that because you can physically see the imbalances on brain scans and such But didn't something had to have caused this imbalance? Maybe thoughts that are negative? "I've never been good at this", "I hate that time I tried and was so close but messed up" "what's the point of even trying since it's never gotten better" ... So the mental term for depression could be negative thinking and living in the past. And what could have caused the negative thoughts that the past enticed? Maybe emotions? People getting on your nerves all the time about criticizing you for your "weak effort" but you never express this feeling. So the emotional term for depression could be suppressed anger. Maybe....but then, in another thread you claimed some very serious illnesses are caused by emotions.... Yes I do believe that. I express what I feel and I feel the key to getting to the root cause of any " disease " / imbalance / disharmony is finding the suppressed emotions that never got expressed.
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Post by nurseypants on Sept 2, 2015 16:11:17 GMT
Maybe....but then, in another thread you claimed some very serious illnesses are caused by emotions.... Yes I do believe that. I express what I feel and I feel the key to getting to the root cause of any " disease " / imbalance / disharmony is finding the suppressed emotions that never got expressed. Nope. You're nuts.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 2, 2015 16:24:12 GMT
It isn't as simple as saying depression is caused by a chemical imbalance. Like mymindseyepea stated, there are various things that can cause the changes in hormone levels that affect mental health. That includes your thoughts (which lead to emotions), your environment (do you have a good support system? Are the people around you healthy for you or hurtful? And so on). The food you eat (or don't eat) and other environmental factors can all come into play, as well as genetic predisposition. Sometimes medication can help, other times not so much. But even with meds, participating in therapy to help work through events in your life, change those negative thoughts, and learn coping skills are important for long term success.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 2, 2015 16:31:32 GMT
^^^ oh, I agree with that, absolutely. Outside stress, physical exercise, sleep, and what I'm eating are all players in how I feel, as well. But for me, having the medication sorted out so I could be more balanced FIRST helped me learn what 'normal' people felt like on any given day, and that then helped me to get the most out of the counseling sessions.
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Post by myboysnme on Sept 2, 2015 16:47:38 GMT
Depression can occur in many forms but is a biochemical imbalance in the brain when it is not related to environmental factors such as loss/bereavement, sadness over real events such as physical illness, or as an expression of anger/frustration.
I don't think anyone reputable in the field thinks it is mind over matter. That is why that facebook meme about 'Depression is a sign that someone has tried to remain strong for too long' just pisses me off. It has nothing to do with strength or weakness. Way to blame the victim while trying to engender empathy.
Many people can function with low level depression, where oppressive, overwhelming depression inhibits daily functioning even when life stressors are relatively stable.
The good thing is that medications can manage symptoms and allow a return to function even if sadness, lack of motivation or lack of enjoyment persists in some regard.
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Post by mikklynn on Sept 2, 2015 17:52:58 GMT
That's what I thought. I've struggled so much with PTSD symptoms, anxiety, depression since my heart issues began. At time walking the tightrope to thinking why did I fight this hard to live. My heart doctor ships me to a psychiatrist. He makes recommendations. My heart doctor shoots them down. I appeal to my GP yesterday. She gets up in my face, actually raising her voice to me, telling me it's up to me. That I have to be the one to get myself out of the depression. That it totally on me. It made me wonder if the prevailing opinion had changed over the last 5 years. I'm just lost. As soon as my GP got up in my face & started yelling my brain shut down. Too much stimuli from too many places. I just don't understand. OMG - Your GP got in your face and yelled at you? I would find a new doctor ASAP. A common side effect of heart attacks is depression, so it seems to be your issues with your heart could cause depression, too. Not to mention you've had your whole life changed!
Can you follow the recommendations from the psychiatrist without your cardiologist? I'm not clear on what was "shot down".
I've followed your story and am not at all surprised you are struggling. Many hugs. I hope you can find a therapist that is able to help.
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Post by gryroagain on Sept 2, 2015 18:01:17 GMT
Drs are not monolithic entities, and there are for sure some loons out there who bring their personal opinions and beliefs into their office and foist them on patients.
When my youngest was having panic attacks (years ago, she was 8?9?) the pediatrician we saw to get a referral to a ped psychiatrist told her (verbatim) " if you pray Jesus will help you and you won't feel scared any more!". My jaw about hit the floor- DD did love Jesus, but this was obviously NOT something prayer was going to fix. I wanted to punch her, but instead I just made sure we never saw her again, ever, for anything. The woman was a medically licensed professional who had been a pediatrician for (presumably, she was in her 50s) a long time, was probably a fine dr for cuts and colds, but had some wacky ideas on mental health for sure!
Find a new GP.
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Post by foolana on Sept 2, 2015 18:30:22 GMT
It's definitely a chemical imbalance in the brain. Anyone who says it's mind over matter is full of crap. There's a difference between feeling blue and having chemical depression. There are many wonderful drugs that can help immensely. Paxil saved my life in 1997 and there are many more good ones that are even better than the originals, Prozac and Paxil.
Please seek help immediately. I don't want you (or anyone else) to suffer the way I did. My daughter has suffered from depression since she was a child and I'm so glad the meds exist. Take care of yourself; you are worth it!
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Post by foolana on Sept 2, 2015 18:39:06 GMT
PTSD can wreak havoc with depression issues. There is a treatment called EMDR: Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing. EMDR WebMDI'm trying to find a therapist for my daughter who does it right now. I believe that once the PTSD is dealt with it makes helping the depression a lot easier. I am not a doctor and I don't know the effectuality of the treatment. I'm only offering advice given to my family to help my daughter. Sending lots of love and hugs your way.
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Post by oaksong on Sept 2, 2015 18:42:38 GMT
The way I understand it is Depression has more than one term The physical or medical term is a brain imbalance, yes I agree with that because you can physically see the imbalances on brain scans and such But didn't something had to have caused this imbalance? Maybe thoughts that are negative? "I've never been good at this", "I hate that time I tried and was so close but messed up" "what's the point of even trying since it's never gotten better" ... So the mental term for depression could be negative thinking and living in the past. And what could have caused the negative thoughts that the past enticed? Maybe emotions? People getting on your nerves all the time about criticizing you for your "weak effort" but you never express this feeling. So the emotional term for depression could be suppressed anger. If I'm understanding you correctly, it sounds like you're agreeing with the doctor that OP needs to get better control of her "negative thoughts". IMO that is not correct. Depression is not "suppressed anger". Depression is a clinical term, and the imbalance isn't because of negative thoughts. Perhaps the approach you are describing would be helpful in a therapy setting, but that is different that the need to help with the physical ailment of depression that is currently being presented.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 2, 2015 18:57:07 GMT
My counselor did something similar to EMDR on me; instead of eye movements, I chose to do tapping (my counselor tapped on my knee, if I recall correctly). The background: we were on vacation visiting our families, and our dogs were being kept at a licensed facility near our home. Long story short, the day before we were to return home, one of our perfectly healthy dogs passed away (we believe due to neglect on the part of the kennel). That was so difficult for me to get over, because I had such guilt over not being there for her... even months later, it would hit unexpectedly. The tapping desensitization and reprocessing worked for me in just a few sessions. (I know everyone's background and experiences vary, but I'm just saying that it CAN work, because it did for me...) story about EFT here
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Sept 2, 2015 21:49:21 GMT
The way I understand it is Depression has more than one term The physical or medical term is a brain imbalance, yes I agree with that because you can physically see the imbalances on brain scans and such But didn't something had to have caused this imbalance? Maybe thoughts that are negative? "I've never been good at this", "I hate that time I tried and was so close but messed up" "what's the point of even trying since it's never gotten better" ... So the mental term for depression could be negative thinking and living in the past. And what could have caused the negative thoughts that the past enticed? Maybe emotions? People getting on your nerves all the time about criticizing you for your "weak effort" but you never express this feeling. So the emotional term for depression could be suppressed anger. If I'm understanding you correctly, it sounds like you're agreeing with the doctor that OP needs to get better control of her "negative thoughts". IMO that is not correct. Depression is not "suppressed anger". Depression is a clinical term, and the imbalance isn't because of negative thoughts. Perhaps the approach you are describing would be helpful in a therapy setting, but that is different that the need to help with the physical ailment of depression that is currently being presented. Thank you for not jumping to a conclusion of what I could be saying so I can try to explain better to clarify, cause no that's not what I'm saying... Or atleast that's not what I'm meaning. I don't think the OP needs to change her thinking cause I feel that's too surfaced. I believe the OP should go deeper to the level of what is causing the negative thoughts. I'm a very deep person so a lot of times it's hard for me to talk on the physical level. And I'm confused on what the physical ailment of depression is... the brain imbalance? I guess I'm confused cause I call that a medical ailment. I know I called it a physical term in my original post but ailment and term mean different things to me. So if you are talking about the brain imbalance well my belief is that the brain imbalance is the respondance to the mental and emotional sides to depression. PTSD was mentioned. I have found that going back to that time the PTSD occured as if you are separating your present self from the self that was traumatized and tell the traumatized self that you understand how they are feeling and release that suppression through anger and tears. Writing to my traumatized self helped me, and then I tore it up and felt more free, ready to move forward.
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