Nicole in TX
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Post by Nicole in TX on Sept 20, 2015 14:33:31 GMT
I think the business owners and managers need to stand up and say something to the parents. That is part of the problem.
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Post by cropduster on Sept 20, 2015 14:42:59 GMT
For one. I would never bring my baby to a nail salon. The baby probably probably could not handle the smells and noise there. I can't imagine purposely taking a baby where there are all kinds of chemicals. There is a reason why manicurists wear masks. If you can't find a babysitter to keep them at home, then you do not get your nails done.
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Post by peano on Sept 20, 2015 15:10:27 GMT
I'd think for a sec, eh I could get that at home, but be just fine. Bigger fish to fry and all that. I don't go to the salon to relax, it's all about my nails. Phew I was beginning to think I was the only one who doesn't go to relax. I would go to one of those spas for that, You know the kind where the only folks allowed back are paying clients. My nail/hair place is a practical place. TV blares, lots of chattering (it's a mother/daughter business). Small town and it's so much like the Steel Magnolia atmosphere some day it's anything but relaxing. It's very noisy but they are very good at what they do. When my kids were toddlers they knew exactly where the basket of toys were kept and they would dump them in the middle of the floor and play. I have certainly seen the spinning around kids, the cartwheelers, and the kids that don't stop talking. I honestly can't think of any persistent criers though. You have just described the "10th Circle of Hell Salon." TV blares!?  Kids running amok?! I'm stressed out just reading about it. |
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Post by anxiousmom on Sept 20, 2015 15:23:24 GMT
I never thought I would say this so early in my parenting journey, but I think there is a big difference between how young children are parented now vs. how young children were parented when my kids were young-and that was only 15-ish years ago.
You could see it starting then, my mom and I talked about it all the time. It was less the norm then though.
Things that seem like common sense to me are not-not taking a baby to the movie, removing crying children, disciplining bad behavior-the list goes on and on.
I don't know why it is so pervasive now, what the social change was/is that allowed it to happen. It bothers enough people that you would think that things would start swinging the other way, but that doesn't appear to be happening. Or not. I don't know.
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Post by 950nancy on Sept 20, 2015 15:24:37 GMT
I don't think babies can/should be considered rude, but yes, I have met, worked with, and spent time with rude children. They seem to get it from watching adults. I wouldn't go to a loud salon. It just isn't my thing. I don't care about a tv on (not blaring, never heard a blaring tv in a salon), but loud adults and children do stick out.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2015 15:54:23 GMT
I have walked out of nail salons mid-service due to misbehaving children and people on cell phones. As other's have stated, it's not a place for children and cell phones should be used only for texting or surfing during your time there.
I also asked the grandmother of a young girl to please turn down the table being used to watch a movie on. The young mother piped up with:
"You can't hear that!".
"Yes, I can. Please turn it down."
"Well I'm getting ready for a wedding!"
"Congratulations! Now please stop disrupting everyone in the salon who is not going to the wedding."
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Post by canadianscrappergirl on Sept 20, 2015 16:08:07 GMT
I'm fed up with entitled folk. Your kid is yelling/crying/whining for more than 5 minutes then do something about it. Take them outside. Even if you're part way through your manicure/dinner/whatever the heck. It's rude. I have 2 boys and never have I let them bother other people for longer than a few minutes and even then, I've apologized to everyone. I think this is what pisses me off more then anything is people's thinking they are entitled to do what ever the hell they want be it let a kid cry endlessly/loudly and interrupt others, a person who talks loudly on a cell so everyone else has to hear their convo, people who insist on talking so loudly in a restaurant that everyone is privy to their convo, the person who insists on using their cell thru out a movie. I am tired of all the of the above examples and in some cases I have been known to say something about it especially the cell use in a movie or people being extremely loud in a restaurant. Call me a bitch whatever but I hate how entitled others seem to be when it comes to what they want to do vs. what is polite or right. |
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Post by smginaz Suzy on Sept 20, 2015 16:59:01 GMT
I suspect that some businesses feel like they can't correct bad behavior, because then the customer goes on social media blasting the company. I think we can all think of examples of when an entitled asshat has railed against some business about an experience. The public loves an outcry and will jump all over that business without knowing or caring about the facts. I just think many businesses are in a tough spot-they want to do something but feel like their hands are tied. Either way, someone is going to be pissed off, and it is always going to be the wrong choice.
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Post by Miss Ang on Sept 20, 2015 18:00:10 GMT
I think @missabg you missed the part where she said RUDE children! She did NOT say that all children who make noise are rude.I don't think she missed the point at all. The comment was made in direct reference to the OP. I took it the same way. I think most people realize kids are kids- they don't know what is expected of them much of the time in public. It's up to adults to guide them. They aren't being rude- they're being kids...like in the OP. The adult caring for them was the rude one. Thank you, Sue! Exactly! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2015 18:15:32 GMT
I suspect that some businesses feel like they can't correct bad behavior, because then the customer goes on social media blasting the company. I think we can all think of examples of when an entitled asshat has railed against some business about an experience. The public loves an outcry and will jump all over that business without knowing or caring about the facts. I just think many businesses are in a tough spot-they want to do something but feel like their hands are tied. Either way, someone is going to be pissed off, and it is always going to be the wrong choice.
Totally agree here. Your d*mned if you do and d*mned if you don't. The entitled person will call you not family friendly, etc. They will tell all their friends and acquaintances how they were (mis)treated. UGH!
It stinks. I've been reading up a lot of on cell phone usage policies in fitness gyms and it's amazing how the tide has turned towards allowing it because so many now use their cell phones for other reasons -- reading/watching videos/listening to music, etc. it's tough to sort that out via those using it for talking/texting.
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Post by Country Ham on Sept 21, 2015 1:53:43 GMT
Phew I was beginning to think I was the only one who doesn't go to relax. I would go to one of those spas for that, You know the kind where the only folks allowed back are paying clients. My nail/hair place is a practical place. TV blares, lots of chattering (it's a mother/daughter business). Small town and it's so much like the Steel Magnolia atmosphere some day it's anything but relaxing. It's very noisy but they are very good at what they do. When my kids were toddlers they knew exactly where the basket of toys were kept and they would dump them in the middle of the floor and play. I have certainly seen the spinning around kids, the cartwheelers, and the kids that don't stop talking. I honestly can't think of any persistent criers though. You have just described the "10th Circle of Hell Salon." TV blares!? Kids running amok?! I'm stressed out just reading about it. Well it's not really a mad house. It's a mother daughter team so it's a small shop. But some of the posts I read seem to expect church quiet spa like atmosphere at a salon. Salons are not spas. |
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Post by grinningcat on Sept 21, 2015 11:45:05 GMT
I'd think for a sec, eh I could get that at home, but be just fine. Bigger fish to fry and all that. I don't go to the salon to relax, it's all about my nails. Phew I was beginning to think I was the only one who doesn't go to relax. I would go to one of those spas for that, You know the kind where the only folks allowed back are paying clients. My nail/hair place is a practical place. TV blares, lots of chattering (it's a mother/daughter business). Small town and it's so much like the Steel Magnolia atmosphere some day it's anything but relaxing. It's very noisy but they are very good at what they do. When my kids were toddlers they knew exactly where the basket of toys were kept and they would dump them in the middle of the floor and play. I have certainly seen the spinning around kids, the cartwheelers, and the kids that don't stop talking. I honestly can't think of any persistent criers though. Do you go to Chucky Cheese to get your nails done? The place you go to sounds like the third circle of hell. They still have a business with all that nonsense? Gross. I'd be up and walking out if a place I went into was that noisy and that annoying. I don't mind noise but that kind of cacaphony? Not acceptable. I prefer going to a place that treats the business like a nail salon not a daycare. I may not go to a nail place to relax, but I do expect places to get rid of chaos and extra noise and activity. Kids do not belong in nail salons. The baby in the OP was out of place and the caretaker was dropping the ball and ruining the experience for other customers. I have no patience for idiots like that. It's basic common sense that when the kid starts to cry, you take them out. It's basic common sense that kids don't run around, spin around in chairs, do cartwheels and that while I don't necessarily agree with the "kids should be seen and not heard" mantra, they need to talk in inside voices and not bother other patrons. Seriously, sounds like hell to go to that place. I'd leave with a migraine and a really foul mood dealing with all that, not worth my time and energy. I'd be finding another place that wasn't daycare. |
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Post by grinningcat on Sept 21, 2015 11:50:27 GMT
I never thought I would say this so early in my parenting journey, but I think there is a big difference between how young children are parented now vs. how young children were parented when my kids were young-and that was only 15-ish years ago. You could see it starting then, my mom and I talked about it all the time. It was less the norm then though. Things that seem like common sense to me are not-not taking a baby to the movie, removing crying children, disciplining bad behavior-the list goes on and on. I don't know why it is so pervasive now, what the social change was/is that allowed it to happen. It bothers enough people that you would think that things would start swinging the other way, but that doesn't appear to be happening. Or not. I don't know. Because we've become a kid-centric society. Kids are the ultimate goal. Kids are the king. There is no limit for kids, they can go anywhere, do anything they want and act as bratty as they want because parents don't want to curtail their own activities because they have become parents. The line between kid and adult has thinned so much that it's almost impossible to go out without seeing some kids who you can tell rule the roost with parents who are their friends and let them run amok because the adults don't want to stop doing what they did before having kids. There are very few places that remain for adults only, now kids get those experiences long before they deserve them. And when they do go there, it's either they don't bring quiet activities to keep them occupied or they shove a tablet in their face... and that still doesn't control them. The bad thing is that not all kids are hellions, there are some good kids that can handle more serious situations, but because parents have turned society into a kid-centric place, everything's getting dumbed down so that the kids can be involved so the parents don't lose out. It's really depressing. Certainly helps affirm my "never wanting kids" desire. I am so tired of kids and how they have become king in society. |
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Post by grinningcat on Sept 21, 2015 11:52:40 GMT
I'm fed up with entitled folk. Your kid is yelling/crying/whining for more than 5 minutes then do something about it. Take them outside. Even if you're part way through your manicure/dinner/whatever the heck. It's rude. I have 2 boys and never have I let them bother other people for longer than a few minutes and even then, I've apologized to everyone. I think this is what pisses me off more then anything is people's thinking they are entitled to do what ever the hell they want be it let a kid cry endlessly/loudly and interrupt others, a person who talks loudly on a cell so everyone else has to hear their convo, people who insist on talking so loudly in a restaurant that everyone is privy to their convo, the person who insists on using their cell thru out a movie. I am tired of all the of the above examples and in some cases I have been known to say something about it especially the cell use in a movie or people being extremely loud in a restaurant. Call me a bitch whatever but I hate how entitled others seem to be when it comes to what they want to do vs. what is polite or right. That's so true. I've gotten weird looks for actually getting up from a table in a restaurant and quickly going outside to answer the phone. "Why did you do that? That was a waste of time." "The restaurant doesn't need to hear my call and it's too noisy in here." "Just yell. Everyone else does." "Ummm... no. I'm trying to fix the problem not add to it." "What problem?" I changed the topic. Some people just don't get it. And if you're a bitch so am I! |
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Post by grinningcat on Sept 21, 2015 11:57:30 GMT
I suspect that some businesses feel like they can't correct bad behavior, because then the customer goes on social media blasting the company. I think we can all think of examples of when an entitled asshat has railed against some business about an experience. The public loves an outcry and will jump all over that business without knowing or caring about the facts. I just think many businesses are in a tough spot-they want to do something but feel like their hands are tied. Either way, someone is going to be pissed off, and it is always going to be the wrong choice. That's so true and it's a shame. Though I will admit, I would be more likely to patronize a place that stood up to parents with out of control children. It means that their business is likely more welcoming than a third circle of hell and more adult oriented than for kids. I seek out more and more places that have made themselves more adult friendly than kid friendly. It just generally makes the experience more pleasant. Unfortunately, these out of control kids have ruined it for the kids who actually know how to behave and able to handle a restaurant or salon or whatever experience without making a scene. I used to go to places like salons with my mom, but it was under strict guidelines to sit in my chair, read my book and not say a peep unless spoken to. Half the time people didn't even know I was there. I remember getting a lot of little perks like my hair braided or whatever) because I was able to sit there and not disturb anyone and if there was time one of the girls would do it while I was waiting for my mom. Best of all, I got to read a lot of great books. Books and independent reading really seem to be going by the wayside though. Which is a shame. |
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Post by grinningcat on Sept 21, 2015 11:59:26 GMT
You have just described the "10th Circle of Hell Salon." TV blares!? Kids running amok?! I'm stressed out just reading about it. Well it's not really a mad house. It's a mother daughter team so it's a small shop. But some of the posts I read seem to expect church quiet spa like atmosphere at a salon. Salons are not spas. I don't expect a church quiet atmosphere, but I do expect to be able to hear myself think and chat quietly either with the nail tech or the person I have gone to the salon with. If I have to raise my voice at all, or dodge randomly moving children, it's too noisy. If as an adult, I am expected to sit still in my seat, why are we not teaching this to kids and doling out the appropriate punishment when they don't comply? How will they learn if we don't give them consequences? |
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Post by twinks on Sept 21, 2015 15:49:29 GMT
I had to run into the store quickly for 2 items. I chose a check out line that appeared to be finishing. It was an older lady and the clerk was putting the bagged groceries into the cart. All of a sudden a younger person - older teenager, young adult - came up and she "interrupted" her cell phone conversation to tell the clerk that it was a split order and that she was getting 10 of one item and the older lady was getting 3. Then she went back to chatting on her cell phone and wandering around. The clerk took off the 3 items and had a total and had to wait for the young person to come back at which time, still talking on her cell phone, she went through the bags and took out several other items that were not to be on her order. She "interrupted" her cell phone again and said, "This are hers too" and walked off again. Then she came back to pay and paid while talking loudly on her cell phone. The older lady looked at her order and picked up a vegetable grader and had to wait while the younger person came back - still talking on her cell phone. I discovered one of the problems - the older lady didn't speak English. They had some big discussion about the vegetable grater and the younger one finally said to the clerk, "I will pay for this." They had gone through the sacks that were rung up several times now, all the while the younger person was talking on her cell phone. So it was 3 transactions. I felt sorry for the poor clerk who was having to wait for the young cell phone talker to wander back and then having to subtract items, re-ring items, re-bag items, etc. I wanted to tell the younger person to hang up her phone and stay to watch her orders. I am surprised the clerk didn't say something. I was standing in the line so long that another clerk came and took me to her line that had no one in it. The people who were behind me had already given up ship.
The sense of entitlement that some people have never ceases to amaze me.
I can't tell you how many times I have taken a crying child out of a public place. That was a rule - you cry, throw a fit, etc. you get taken home. Simple as that.
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Post by epeanymous on Sept 21, 2015 17:20:24 GMT
I never thought I would say this so early in my parenting journey, but I think there is a big difference between how young children are parented now vs. how young children were parented when my kids were young-and that was only 15-ish years ago. You could see it starting then, my mom and I talked about it all the time. It was less the norm then though. Things that seem like common sense to me are not-not taking a baby to the movie, removing crying children, disciplining bad behavior-the list goes on and on. I don't know why it is so pervasive now, what the social change was/is that allowed it to happen. It bothers enough people that you would think that things would start swinging the other way, but that doesn't appear to be happening. Or not. I don't know. Because we've become a kid-centric society. Kids are the ultimate goal. Kids are the king. There is no limit for kids, they can go anywhere, do anything they want and act as bratty as they want because parents don't want to curtail their own activities because they have become parents. The line between kid and adult has thinned so much that it's almost impossible to go out without seeing some kids who you can tell rule the roost with parents who are their friends and let them run amok because the adults don't want to stop doing what they did before having kids. There are very few places that remain for adults only, now kids get those experiences long before they deserve them. And when they do go there, it's either they don't bring quiet activities to keep them occupied or they shove a tablet in their face... and that still doesn't control them. The bad thing is that not all kids are hellions, there are some good kids that can handle more serious situations, but because parents have turned society into a kid-centric place, everything's getting dumbed down so that the kids can be involved so the parents don't lose out. It's really depressing. Certainly helps affirm my "never wanting kids" desire. I am so tired of kids and how they have become king in society. I don't think we are actually that kid-centric. Kids don't want to hang out in nail salons while their parents get their nails done, babies don't want to go to movies, toddlers don't care about nice restaurants. I think you are right that it is about the parents, and that the parents want to do those things, and it is easier in the short term to let your kids run around than to leave. Even to the extend that kids are "getting to have" adult experiences like manicures, I generally think it is about the parents -- there is a lot of social media pressure to show how bonded you and your kids are by doing things like that together. Woe be unto the mother who leaves her kids with OMG A BABYSITTER to selfishly go to a salon or out to see a movie. My husband's parents had a sitter every Friday and Saturday to go out with their adult friends and two took weeks of kid-free vacation a year; studies show we spend a lot more time with our kids now, and I think that is in part because of social pressure. I remember my grandmother griping about how poorly behaved kids were when I was a kid in the 70s and 80s, though, so I am not sure that any of this is that new. |
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Post by grinningcat on Sept 21, 2015 17:51:27 GMT
Because we've become a kid-centric society. Kids are the ultimate goal. Kids are the king. There is no limit for kids, they can go anywhere, do anything they want and act as bratty as they want because parents don't want to curtail their own activities because they have become parents. The line between kid and adult has thinned so much that it's almost impossible to go out without seeing some kids who you can tell rule the roost with parents who are their friends and let them run amok because the adults don't want to stop doing what they did before having kids. There are very few places that remain for adults only, now kids get those experiences long before they deserve them. And when they do go there, it's either they don't bring quiet activities to keep them occupied or they shove a tablet in their face... and that still doesn't control them. The bad thing is that not all kids are hellions, there are some good kids that can handle more serious situations, but because parents have turned society into a kid-centric place, everything's getting dumbed down so that the kids can be involved so the parents don't lose out. It's really depressing. Certainly helps affirm my "never wanting kids" desire. I am so tired of kids and how they have become king in society. I don't think we are actually that kid-centric. Kids don't want to hang out in nail salons while their parents get their nails done, babies don't want to go to movies, toddlers don't care about nice restaurants. I think you are right that it is about the parents, and that the parents want to do those things, and it is easier in the short term to let your kids run around than to leave. Even to the extend that kids are "getting to have" adult experiences like manicures, I generally think it is about the parents -- there is a lot of social media pressure to show how bonded you and your kids are by doing things like that together. Woe be unto the mother who leaves her kids with OMG A BABYSITTER to selfishly go to a salon or out to see a movie. My husband's parents had a sitter every Friday and Saturday to go out with their adult friends and two took weeks of kid-free vacation a year; studies show we spend a lot more time with our kids now, and I think that is in part because of social pressure. I remember my grandmother griping about how poorly behaved kids were when I was a kid in the 70s and 80s, though, so I am not sure that any of this is that new. That's a very good point. I find it really surprising how few parents spend time away from their kids nowadays. And I think you're right, there is this weird pressure to be with your child every single moment of the day and if you dare to use a babysitter (of any kind, even family) because you want to pursue activities as the grown up you are, there is a sense of vilification... and I don't get it. We were regularly left with babysitters and had many grandparent weekends when we were kids so that my parents could have time to themselves. So that's a very good point. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 20:08:27 GMT
I am not one to take my kids everywhere with me. I see the results of doing that now with the parents of friends of my twins (19 years old). They are sooooo lost without their "speshul snowflake " now that he/she has grown up and flown the coop. That's part of the point of parenting - raising children to be independent so they can move on and become productive members of society. When I go to the salon I want my time. I want to talk about adult topics. I don't want to have to watch what I say. It's part of the experience I am paying for. And if you don't have a sitter for your snowflake - you don't get to go. Simple as that.
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Post by birukitty on Sept 21, 2015 22:08:48 GMT
I don't think we are actually that kid-centric. Kids don't want to hang out in nail salons while their parents get their nails done, babies don't want to go to movies, toddlers don't care about nice restaurants. I think you are right that it is about the parents, and that the parents want to do those things, and it is easier in the short term to let your kids run around than to leave. Even to the extend that kids are "getting to have" adult experiences like manicures, I generally think it is about the parents -- there is a lot of social media pressure to show how bonded you and your kids are by doing things like that together. Woe be unto the mother who leaves her kids with OMG A BABYSITTER to selfishly go to a salon or out to see a movie. My husband's parents had a sitter every Friday and Saturday to go out with their adult friends and two took weeks of kid-free vacation a year; studies show we spend a lot more time with our kids now, and I think that is in part because of social pressure. I remember my grandmother griping about how poorly behaved kids were when I was a kid in the 70s and 80s, though, so I am not sure that any of this is that new. That's a very good point. I find it really surprising how few parents spend time away from their kids nowadays. And I think you're right, there is this weird pressure to be with your child every single moment of the day and if you dare to use a babysitter (of any kind, even family) because you want to pursue activities as the grown up you are, there is a sense of vilification... and I don't get it. We were regularly left with babysitters and had many grandparent weekends when we were kids so that my parents could have time to themselves. So that's a very good point. Maybe this is all true now. I don't really know personally. My child is 26 years old and all grown up, and I'm not a grandmother yet, nor do I have any friends that are. When I had my child it was 1989. A spent every other weekend with one set of grandparents because he was the only grandchild on both sides! Still is, sadly. Those weekends were good for both him and all 4 grandparents because he grew up close to them, and they all lived an hour away from where we did. Back then discipline was encouraged with time outs, babies slept in their own cribs in their own rooms, and went to bed on a schedule. I was lucky, A was an easy baby, sleeping through the night at an early age. I read somewhere to never tiptoe around a sleeping baby, but rather make the baby get used to the noise of a home, so I went about the normal day while he napped even vacuuming! Now that kid (well, he's still my kid) can sleep through anything-made college dorm life easy. A had a severe case of ADHD so I was glad that discipline was in style back then, time outs worked really well for us, and I never once have raised my hand and hit him. It gave him a time to chill out that he needed. What I think is going on with today's children is that today's parents want to be friends with their children and not be parents. They don't want to discipline and be the "mean guy". So they don't or they put it off, or they just don't know how. I literally love Jo Frost who had a show on TV called "Super Nanny" from 2004 to 2012. Although my son was 15 when the show first aired (too old for it to do me any good really), I loved everything about her techniques because they made so much sense to me, and seeing them in action on the program proved they worked. I wish this show was on Netflix, but you can see the episodes on youtube. Maybe on other stations or networks, I've only tried Netflix. If you have young children and haven't seen this show I recommend watching it. I could be totally wrong about today's children, but I do think they aren't being disciplined as much as the they were 25 years ago. Combined with the selfish entitlement (the parents)-not the Peas that I see in so many people today, I don't recall seeing so much of it in the general public back in the mid to late 80's. Where did this come from? Back then within the first 2-3 minutes A made a crying, meltdown in public in a store or wherever we were, we were out the door, across the parking lot and in the car. Because there was no way I was going to make anyone else listen to that. If I had an appointment somewhere, A as a baby, toddler or small child stayed home with a babysitter. Be it doctor, hair salon, wherever. To the movies. You just didn't take kids to places like this. The only time you took kids or babies to a movie ever was if it was G rated in the afternoon or morning. That was it. Where the heck did this sense of entitlement come from? I don't have it today. Debbie in MD. |
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Time to get off the internet!
Kids running amok?! I'm stressed out just reading about it. 
